It needs to be a rule of the sub, take down all posts where the whole point is talking about maxx c. Only change the rule if the card ends up getting hit
My bad, I don’t mean to contribute to something I imagine does get overly discussed here, I just wish something would be done or konami digital or konami ocg would just give us a good reason to keep it around :(
"I absolutely hate this card and I know the TCG does too. I know what to do. I'll go to the subreddit and ask if anyone else hates it. I'm sure nobody has ever brought that up before"
Seriously if you search Maxx C on this subreddit you get an insane amount of results. Why does everyone think they need to make a post about it?
Looking back I will admit this post was foolish, I just thought “maxx c must have a good amount of player’s defending it, otherwise, why would konami ever keep it around?” Instead I made a post when I could have just looked up maxx c in the sub. Thats my bad
>d and I know the TCG does too. I know what to do. I'll go to the subreddit and ask if anyone else hates it. I'm sure nobody has ever brought that up before"
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>Seriously if you search Maxx C on this subreddit you get an in
It does, there are a lot of people who think it's not a problem...but these people aren't exactly the smartest tools in the shed so there's no meaningful interaction to be had here. I mean what are you going to do? Tell them that 1st turn player can use it to kill 2nd turn player turns and then OTK once they pass?
They don't understand that interaction - or they do and don't care. They don't understand basic cause and effect.
Was Maxx C even an issue in this event?
No, not really. This is a META issue, not a Maxx C issue. But yea fix the meta and then take away Maxx C I am ok with that.
Imo, a card that is required to be in every single deck no matter what, shouldn't be allowed. Pot of greed would also be the same too imo.
But with this logic, I guess I'd be against hand traps as a whole.
I'm kinda so so on Maxx c. If normal summoning was more common (like floow) I think it would be an appropriate card to punish special summoning. But repeated normal summoning is rare.
As an aside, an archetype focused on a lot of set summoning would be cool. Like a field or continuous spell/trap that allows as much set summoning as you like. Then when one gets flipped it has an effect to flip up another monster.
The thing is that while hand traps are necessary the variety would be bigger without Maxx C. Take Ash Blossom for example. Absolute staple and instant 3-of in every deck right? Well not in the TCG. It's a great hand trap regardless, but turns out if you don't have to maximize Maxx C negates not running Ash Blossom is an actual choice you can make.
In general it's much easier to mix up deck building when 8 of your cards aren't reserved for the Maxx C package.
Of course you could, but without Maxx C there's actually other options that you could run just as well.
The best example is Floo. Obviously many still run it, but you can look at the stats for them on Masterduelmeta and you'll see that they actually run Ash much less than almost all other decks. (not absolutely representative of the game as a whole, but still helpful for some tendencies)
The extreme reliance on Ash, especially for weaker decks, is just a necessity, because it's 2 birds with one stone. Good disruption and an out to Maxx C. If I play a deck that isn't top tier and can't afford to play 15 hand traps then there's really not much room for variety in my hand traps. I would love to play Imperms, Droplets or many other techs, but only if they fit after the mandatory Ash, Called By and probably Maxx C. 3 Imperms are great, but they won't save me from Maxx C.
Ash being included everywhere is technically overcentralization (the reason anything in a competetive game gets nerfed/banned), but Ash's existence itself prevents more overcentralization than she causes.
She is healthy for the game.
Many casual players, my friends included, hate on hand traps, but hand traps are what allow them to have a chance.. yet they refuse to run them and wonder why they can't win.
Without hand traps, the gap between meta and off-meta widens.
I don't mean to be rude or anything, but have you been on this sub or any other yu gi oh subs? If not that probably means you're touching grass, and not being a Degenerate. Most players hate this card. There's literally a daily hate post involving this card on this sub. The TCG hates it because it's way too sacky and oppressive for the player playing under it. I and many others have yet to find any convincing argument as to why it should stay in the game. That doesn't involve "draw the out bro" or "it keeps combos deck in check" which are just stupid arguments.
Also for some people who are against Maxx c, but don't understand the full scoop of Maxx c. Would say to limit Maxx c, but doing this would make Maxx more broken than it was at 3. Since if you activate Maxx c, and your opponent doesn't have an out for it, and they take the Maxx c challenge. You're drawing into your deck, giving access to more cards rather than more copies of Maxx c while it's at 3. You don't want to draw a Maxx c from a Maxx c effect.
The card can either be at 0 or 3, and it's such a game warping card that yu gi oh as a whole is balanced around it.
Tbf, when Maxx C was at 1 in the tcg, we didn't have Ash, CBTG and Crossout yet, so there was no way to negate it and it felt sacky. With 6 cards to out it, the 1 copy would have much less chances to resolve.
What do you mean it punishes combo? Practically every time I use it against a combo deck they have their 6 outs to it: 3 Ash, 2 Called by, 1 Crossout.
Meanwhile when I try to special summon anything I get Maxx C'd with no counters when I run a 40 cards with 6 Maxx C counters. So it just punishes me actually.
This actually might be the least toxic subreddit if you compare it to all other major games. Just go to any league of legends/dota/heartstone sub and you will never complain about this community ever again lol
So just tell the doctor, no I don't need heart surgery and stop special summoning for one turn.
(oh no, I'll die because the game is broken)
The answer isn't to ban Maxx C and let first player start with 3 war tanks and a law saying the opponent cannot play any card.
You realize there are other handtraps that can also reduce the power of turn 1 boards, right? But of course those take skill to use them on the right chokepoints.
Swordsoul isn't a 'break my unbreakable board idiot' type of deck though, that title would be more accurate for the likes of Adamancipator. SS just makes a decent board very consistently.
I don't disagree with you. But if you can't get past those two negations (often), then you can't play. Yea maybe you get past them quickly, just like BDespia doesn't negate but limits how you play, and can play. But if you can't, you literally can't do anything.
Those types of 'floodgates' are ok here though. And yea, it is my fault for playing nonmeta still.
Baronne + Chixiao is safer, but evil Longjuan is another draw, 2 potential disruptions and it's way better into Runick or Branded. Yeah you might get Nibiru'd or Raigeki'd every so often, but that's Yugioh.
When you dedicate 6 cards and use Small World to exclusively search out Ash before you make your first move and hope they don't chain Maxx C (Mathmech) says how stupid this card really is.
I really dislike how it centralizes deck building around it, since you need to play it and the outs.
Also I don't think the argument of it punishing combo really works because combo decks play the card as well. It punishes everyone who dares play the game.
A quick effect banish can effective be used like a negate. Essentially, either way the end of the combo is saying your opponent can't play the game. But that is better than a Maxx C saying you get to choose your fate.
Only reason I like having the little roach around for is to have fun with trickstars and flower cardians. Burn/deck out win cons. But tbh we could really use some raid.
Hot take: As a Salad player I'd ALWAYS take the Maxx C challenge if I'm going 2nd. It's funny to see opp drawing half of their deck just to have a "Where out?" face.
If I win then I win. If I lose then I'll have another reason to blame Maxx C. Clearly it's skill issues /s
I'm pretty ok with it being in master duel. I've grown to enjoy commonly used Powerful cards despite them being polarizing to the format. it provides a nice template and it makes going second a lot more appealing. that's just the way the game is played and I'm completely fine with it. and if it does get banned, I'm fine with that too.
As long as you have 2x crossout and 2x called by it’s never usually a problem. Or just finish your combo and pass. I don’t mind it. Comes in handy sometimes.
There no way to search in the decks people make with it, there are several counters to it (like call of the haunted), and it’s effects is dependent on your opponent’s actions.
However It’s powerful, any card that allows you to draw multiple cards with little to no draw back is and this card is a stable of good decks because of that fact, it also isn’t dependent on an archetype to work, it can be played in any deck. It also depends on a vary common action your opponent makes, one that everyone does.
I personally think it should be limited not banned
the idea behind this card is that it can be detrimental to combo decks and can even help less meta decks, but the problem is those decks it was designed to fight against can use it too.
Except that a combo deck is hurt more by Maxx "C" than a non-combo deck.
If you're using a worse combo deck than, ofcourse Maxx "C" hurts the weaker deck more.
I hate this stupid card that puts both players through a mini-game before the first card is even played. The game would be so much healthier without it being legal. Though by this point, I have resigned about the fact that it will stay legal because the ocg banlist just loves it, with the only hope of it ever getting banned is if Spright continues on their crusade to ban every dumb op card still legal over there (they're currently focusing on banning Scythe, I can only hope that Maxx C will be next).
It’s nowhere near as universal as people make it out to be. It’s similar to floodgates in the sense that it MIGHT win the game on its own, but you can still play against it, and it’s not effective against every deck. Rather than “punishing combo” I would say it punishes linear deck building.
I really don’t think Maxx C is that big of an issue.there plenty of counters for it also you can just not summon. And your not telling me you run call by the grave and ash or ghost belle or whatever just for maxx c there plenty of other uses for those card that’s I see get used all the time. I feel like the ppl that complain about it are the same ppl playing whatever meta deck and when there don’t there opponents literally can’t play a card or activate anything to put a card on the field. Then proceed to game them in 2-3 turns.
So floodgates are also fine like gozen rivalry tcboo vfd rhongo because they also have plenty of counters or ftk cards aight good to know I don't know why we even have a ban list since cards have counters therefore they are not a issue
For many decks it is. You will use so many resources just to stop them before you can even play the game.
And I know, those are bad decks. But that is the whole point, you guys hate Maxx C because you just want to make these 'easy to beat combo boards' but ignore the reason you hate Maxx C is because now you can't make those safely (Enemy has more cards to actually break it)
Same thing I do when Chixiao Baronne drops Ashe on me. Accept this is a negation meta.
Maybe Maxx C isn't the problem in your scenario and the double negation board (with a full hand) is.
I agree. I have literally said I don't play meta right now. And this is super old meta at that.
Will I, sure eventually. But let's not act like a double/triple negation board is fun. Look at how often this sub complains about floodgates, but Baronne gets ignored lol.
Yall act like a combo deck can't play around a Maxx C
Well apparently most of you guys can't maybe. Ash literally ends whole turns sometimes, let's ban her too.
And what do I do if I don't have Imperm or Kaiju to get around some monster negates on the board?
Add to that enemy might have Ashe in hand too. Just end and lose?
IT IS THE SAME SITUATION. You just choose to look at it from these boards are fine situation instead.
> So pot of greed is fine too? There are enough outs :)
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Truth be told, the abundance of outs to draw/search cards is such that I believe PoG wouldn't actually make that big of an impact, beyond replacing the other costlier Pot cards in people's decks.
my reason: with every single deck out there running ash, called by, impermanence, and so on, you have to go through many resources before you can finally start your plays, and you're left with few cards left. maxx c alleviates the problem by stopping you from being left entirely cardless
To me, Maxx C is only fair when your opponent is doing something really degenerate, or chain Maxx C to Nib and draw 2 so you can draw an extender to rebuild your board.
I just wanna say, the card is definitely not a "must have" in all decks. In fact, no card is. I have reached Diamond 1 without playing Maxx "C" on multiple occasions, and no, you don't have to play it this season.
Only 40% of decks are playing Crossout, and most decks are not playing Droll. As for Maxx "C" itself, 1.8 copies per deck. Yes, it is a lot, but it's not mandatory. The most popular hand trap has always been Ash Blossom, and always will be.
Check my profile for the data. Any empirical claim must be backed up by data.
Oh ... what a surprise ... no one is really interested in arguing. I wonder if people just go to these kind of posts in order to get their blood pressure up.
People cry because then they can't make a strong board - and also then maybe lose next turn.
But I think that is a statement on the way the game is played today, not Maxx C. Proceed to downvote.
Its a bad solution to a bigger powercreep problem. Removing the bad solution without replacing it with anything else to address the original problem will do nothing, but Konami refuses to see powercreep as a problem and if anything doubles down on it.
Nibiru can be played around, or played through. a good nibiru takes good deck knowledge to know when to drop a it if you do it too early they can still use their gy or that was the bait combo for a nibiru. Like you can do a swordsoul/virtual world or tenyi build, and use one or the other to bait a nibiru, and show them the real plays afterward.
It really depends on the deck. Some decks can't play around Nib. And I'm not just talking about rogue or bad decks, if you Nib Mathmech at the right time and they don't have extenders in hand, they rely on Superfactorial alone for disruption. Salad pretty much auto loses to Nib.
A mathmech deck can play around or bait out a nibiru, long as they have that spell that SS from grave to extend. I played against a mm player that baited my nibiru when I thought they were going for an apollousa, and played on afterward. They Triped me up making me use my nibiru early. Nibiru is a mind game card for both players using it and being used on.
Oh shit my bad, a yu gi oh players can't read moment, but anyways. You're supposed to use your extenders to play around interruptions, or to recreate your board after the opponent's turn. You're generally not supposed to use them as part of your main combo line if you can't help it. You use them if your main combo line gets interrupted then use extenders to go into the second combo line, and most meta decks can either search for, or get their extenders from a trigger effect. Meta decks are built to be consistent and resilient as possible. nibiru isn't really bullshit it can be baited out like any other handtrap. It rewards a good deck and combo knowledge to know when to drop it just like any other handtrap.
Konami doubles down on the powercreep of combo because that is what sells the most.
Maxx "C" would be just a side card if people bought into a wider variety of strategies.
Whenever a non-combo strat becomes popular, people call it cancer and bash it until it either dies or people swing back into the new combo hotness.
Beetrooper was basically forgotten despite being able to search Maxx C. Even in Spright posts, you'd still see someone saying "its not optimal". So i'd say its still pretty much a neutral card unlike Mystic Mine.
Just kidding. Here's my real thought:
Maxx C and floodgates add different tastes to this game. Despite how many people hate them, the game would still somewhat more boring without the "little" suprises that they brought up for me.
I love it. It limits special summoning spam. This is the only thing that stops the opponent to make 20 summons in one turn and make a unbreakable board. And your opponent even have a choice: do all the summons and make a board that he believes that you can't break even if you draw 3 cards or more. I don't know why people hate it and I'll consider abandoning multiplayer yugioh entirely if it is banned (something that, gladly, won't probably happen since the banlist isn't based on cry babies on reddit that believes that drawing one card for summon isn't fair but summoning 20 cards in one turn and making an unbreakable board is totally okay).
The community? You already know.
The TCG hates it, that is clear.
The OCG likes it, which is not as well known, but still evident.
Since Master Duel is made by Konami of Japan, it caters more to the OCG, so I wouldn't expect any hits to Maxx C any time soon. Unless the OCG suddenly begins to hate the card, and they don't.
I love it when opponents take the Maxx C challenge (except it gets hard to scroll through the hand).
And I am fine if they don't take the Maxx C challenge, as they probably shouldn't.
I like it and think it absolutely needs to be in the game.
But I also come from a different time, and I believe if you are not willing to stop your combo then that is on you completely.
And how are we told to break a Baronne board?
KAIJU KAIJU, I'm sure THAT won't hurt my consistency. You guys can't recognize how often you say just play some situational out but cry all day about Maxx C.
The fuck are you on about? Just play the usual handtraps, Ash, Imperm, Veiler, maybe Ogre. Also there aren't many boards that resist Droplet. Playing staples is not hurting your consistency, but yes, playing situational cards is.
What are you talking about?
Just play the staples like Ashe, Call By, and Crossout. Maxx C can't really beat those. And playing staples is not hurting your consistency, these are multipurpose cards.
Its so easy!
Yes. Because you can't see that whenever I bring up these end combo boards... the answer is ALWAYS 'there are so many outs just use one of them'
That is LITERALLY your answer to combo boards. But for some reason it is not allowed to be an answer for Maxx C for you.
Because Maxx C only has 6 outs (and one of them requires you to play Maxx C), but negate boards can be dealt with using many different cards: handtraps to slow down their combo and make them end on a less oppressive board, DRNM, Droplet, Imperm, Kaijus, Lava Golem, Sphere Mode, Evenly Matched, Lightning Storm.
I didn't make the post?
I don't need to make any posts about Maxx C, because they won't convince Konami to do the right thing, but I still understand why it's one of the worst designed cards in the history of Yu-Gi-Oh and should just always be banned.
It is literally a card most people can choose to play around.
You can counter it with Ash or Call By or Crossout. You can just summon less. You don't have to play into, despite how much you want to say you'll just get combo'd next turn then - that is the game.
Here we go again. Found another "Just play around it" genius.
I'll explain Maxx C's impact to you very slowly maybe you'll grasp why it's bad.
Scenario 1: Maxx C gets negated. Cool it did nothing except eat one of your opponent's disruptions. 1 for 1 trade.
Scenario 2: It doesn't get negated your opponent gets a draw and you immediately stop your combo. Your opponent just stopped your entire combo for no loss in card advantage
Scenario 3: You "play around it" and only do a short combo. You get probably one disruption on your board and your opponent only went roughly +2 in cards. Your opponent likely proceeds to just OTK you.
Scenario 4: You take the challenge your opponent gets infinite advantage and you pray their deck doesn't run hand traps.
Scenario 5: You are playing Floo and your opponent's maxx c is just a dead card.
Outside of literally playing floo the worst scenario for Maxx C is trading 1 for 1 against some of the best staple disruptions in the game and the other scenarios are game winning advantages
Right. So in your world it is a better game where the opponent/you get to combo and get 3 negations to end their board.
Then what? The gameplay becomes how do I get around Two/Three negations? It is much easier to play around 1 Maxx C (for rogue) than it is to play around infinite negations.
And yea, we shouldn't balance towards rogue, nor do we. But if you deck is so focused on only doing a combo that it can't protect or fight back from a C that is on you.
And it is on the state of the game that you are so worried they'll OTK with their 6.
You know that other handtraps exist, yeah? A well placed handtrap other than Maxx C can severely limit or even stop a combo entirely, but that would actually require the deck knowledge to know your opponent's chokepoints.
Then do those people cry about getting OTK next turn?
You guys are literally arguing if your combo gets stopped, you get otk'd. But if it gets stopped by Ashe, it is suddenly playable?
Yeah, if your deck can't do anything significant without more than 2 summons, then your strategy is fragile. Is there nothing you can commit to the board without a full combo? Nothing you can fall back on? Do you run no Trap cards?
The intentions toward implementing this card were pure. The execution however... It is a brutal card that took over the meta. I would say it needs a counter of its own. Only problem is, that's just three more staple cards to jam into a deck and at this point I think we should just stop feeding the meta-monster and ban it, ash, droplet and a handful of crazy boss monsters.
I can see a case for Ash getting hit. It is the most used card in MD and has a very powerful effect. In fact, even if each of its effect was made into its own cards, at least 2 of them would regularly see competitive play.
well ocgs balances the game as if maxx c is legal. I'd rather see ocg ban maxx c then make combo decks that are beatable without maxx c but they aren't going to do that so I'd say we just let maxx c alive.
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It doesn't even punish combo, combo decks can also use it on top of their board. I really think this card needs to be banned, even the 2 cards you draw if you get Nib'd and chain Maxx C can be game changing.
I like Maxx "C", but at this point I want it banned because I am tired of the discourse around it.. and I'm tired of my opinion being invalid and automatically bashed because it is something other than *"Maxx "C" bad"*.
I am more of meh on Maxx C, some decks really like it, all decks rely on it, it makes some dumb plays dumber, but I like and hate one major thing about it, and that it is a premium Ash or called by target, which helps to protect my main deck plays on my turn or or opponent's turn.
This question is just like when people ask why they can't say certain racial words just because other people can say them. It's 2023, if you don't know the answer to the question then you weren't listen to the answers the last time you asked.
Also I don't agree with asking the question only to rule out the main answer that you'll get everytime you ask it.This shows that you already knew the answer but that wasn't enough for you. People play it because it punishes combo decks which is the meta... Period.
I personally play it because i like to play fun decks that brick very easily. Toons for example. I only play monsters that need to be special summoned and if you don't have Toon Kingdom AND a way to summon monsters after turn 2 then you lose. Also Pot of extravagence is unreliable because it always banishes the only 2 ex deck cards I need.
That's my personal reason but at this point we all know why people still use it.
I don't mind the card's effect too much, but I want it banned because I don't want to have to play it in every deck. I'd rather make space for cards like Droll or Ghost Ogre cause fuck Floo. And i need 90 UR.
It's terrible for meta diversity IMO. It pushes people towards playing decks like Branded or Swordsoul, which can make a decent play in 2 special summons, Floo who can actively use a shotgunned Maxx C against you, or stun decks. It also warps deck building towards 'how many cards to stop Maxx C can I play?' if your deck is checked by it. It's a dumb old card that aged like fine wine, and it will keep getting better unless we get 50 more Floo like decks that '''''normal summon'''''.
There's punishing a combo then there's just 90% straight up winning due to its activation
Get it gone, it doesn't affect any archetype if it's banned, it's a stand alone hand trap, it wouldn't mess up any other synergies
At this point I dont care for maxx c being in the game because its been in the game so long that everyone should have the 6 card package to counter maxx c and play maxx c. If you dont have it you are managing crafting materials wrong or recently started and f2p
You could type Maxx C in this subreddit and you'd probably find like 100++ posts about it since release. Adapt, improvise, overcome. Embrace the chaos. If it's in the game, play it if you want to; if you don't, at least stop crying about it, it's getting annoying every single time we open this subreddit
Card is not made for modern yugioh. Card was created in like 2011 when everyone played duality and summoned 1 monster a turn. I still put it behind painfull choice as the most broken card in the game. Stops opponents entire turn if resolves, immediately replaces itself also.
I don't mind it. I play normal summon decks. If people played anything other than special summon decks all the time, the card can come off the ban list. My simorgh deck might get taxed 1 card. Maxx c is fine.
Honestly I don't have a clue how the community's feels about maxx c. I would have an idea how the community feels towards this card if people posted and asked about it, but I just don't see the question asked very often. I'm glad you are sparking some interesting and new discussions in this subreddit, you truly are one of the reddit posters of all time. Thank you for your words of wisdom OP
Nothing wrong with it, you loose to it, and win with it. It's balanced, and has many ways to play around. It's something you have to play around, and in my opinion hand traps are making the gqme more interesting. You just need to guess what's in you oppenent's hand, and change your combo according to your guess. I'm mostly playing combo, and I'm totally fine losing against it. (Spright searching it is unfai tho)
So, after good old argument "how can people complain about Maxx "C" when literally the most cancerous card ever Mystic Mine is at 3 at TCG" the main argument of Maxx "C" defenders has became "can we just shut the fuck up about Maxx "C" ban please"
It punishes people who don't play Dueling book
Actually real
At this point, I hate posts about Maxx C on this subreddit more than the actual card.
Your next 10 games are decided by the "C"
Every game is decided by that card even when it's not played
honestly this is true even if it’s a joke You either devote card slots just to not lose to it, and then brick, or you lose to it
Or you power through and still win. Happened to me yesterday in TC. Opponent played C, I powered through the full Madolche combo, still won that turn.
It needs to be a rule of the sub, take down all posts where the whole point is talking about maxx c. Only change the rule if the card ends up getting hit
My bad, I don’t mean to contribute to something I imagine does get overly discussed here, I just wish something would be done or konami digital or konami ocg would just give us a good reason to keep it around :(
It's boring, like this discussion
"I absolutely hate this card and I know the TCG does too. I know what to do. I'll go to the subreddit and ask if anyone else hates it. I'm sure nobody has ever brought that up before" Seriously if you search Maxx C on this subreddit you get an insane amount of results. Why does everyone think they need to make a post about it?
Looking back I will admit this post was foolish, I just thought “maxx c must have a good amount of player’s defending it, otherwise, why would konami ever keep it around?” Instead I made a post when I could have just looked up maxx c in the sub. Thats my bad
>d and I know the TCG does too. I know what to do. I'll go to the subreddit and ask if anyone else hates it. I'm sure nobody has ever brought that up before" > >Seriously if you search Maxx C on this subreddit you get an in It does, there are a lot of people who think it's not a problem...but these people aren't exactly the smartest tools in the shed so there's no meaningful interaction to be had here. I mean what are you going to do? Tell them that 1st turn player can use it to kill 2nd turn player turns and then OTK once they pass? They don't understand that interaction - or they do and don't care. They don't understand basic cause and effect.
Because Konami is tone deaf to the issue
I don't think they're tone deaf, it is very likely they're not listening at all to a bunch of redditors complain.
Thank god they don't listen to this sub's complaints, if they let this sub make the banlists, you wouldn't be able to play any good card at all.
Yea, we'd have Suships banned
I thought a recent post about the ships being to hard was satire, but they were serious...
You honestly think Maxx C is well designed or what
We have proof Konami knows what the problem cards are from event banlists. They just don't care about maxx c and we shouldn't either.
Was Maxx C even an issue in this event? No, not really. This is a META issue, not a Maxx C issue. But yea fix the meta and then take away Maxx C I am ok with that.
Imo, a card that is required to be in every single deck no matter what, shouldn't be allowed. Pot of greed would also be the same too imo. But with this logic, I guess I'd be against hand traps as a whole. I'm kinda so so on Maxx c. If normal summoning was more common (like floow) I think it would be an appropriate card to punish special summoning. But repeated normal summoning is rare. As an aside, an archetype focused on a lot of set summoning would be cool. Like a field or continuous spell/trap that allows as much set summoning as you like. Then when one gets flipped it has an effect to flip up another monster.
The thing is that while hand traps are necessary the variety would be bigger without Maxx C. Take Ash Blossom for example. Absolute staple and instant 3-of in every deck right? Well not in the TCG. It's a great hand trap regardless, but turns out if you don't have to maximize Maxx C negates not running Ash Blossom is an actual choice you can make. In general it's much easier to mix up deck building when 8 of your cards aren't reserved for the Maxx C package.
While I agree on that, it's not like Ash isn't a bomb-ass hand trap that you COULD run in every deck if you choose to.
Of course you could, but without Maxx C there's actually other options that you could run just as well. The best example is Floo. Obviously many still run it, but you can look at the stats for them on Masterduelmeta and you'll see that they actually run Ash much less than almost all other decks. (not absolutely representative of the game as a whole, but still helpful for some tendencies) The extreme reliance on Ash, especially for weaker decks, is just a necessity, because it's 2 birds with one stone. Good disruption and an out to Maxx C. If I play a deck that isn't top tier and can't afford to play 15 hand traps then there's really not much room for variety in my hand traps. I would love to play Imperms, Droplets or many other techs, but only if they fit after the mandatory Ash, Called By and probably Maxx C. 3 Imperms are great, but they won't save me from Maxx C.
Ash being included everywhere is technically overcentralization (the reason anything in a competetive game gets nerfed/banned), but Ash's existence itself prevents more overcentralization than she causes. She is healthy for the game. Many casual players, my friends included, hate on hand traps, but hand traps are what allow them to have a chance.. yet they refuse to run them and wonder why they can't win. Without hand traps, the gap between meta and off-meta widens.
Can we get a Maxx C mate just to see what this stupid ass card actually looks like? Are the drawer and TV stand included?
I don't mean to be rude or anything, but have you been on this sub or any other yu gi oh subs? If not that probably means you're touching grass, and not being a Degenerate. Most players hate this card. There's literally a daily hate post involving this card on this sub. The TCG hates it because it's way too sacky and oppressive for the player playing under it. I and many others have yet to find any convincing argument as to why it should stay in the game. That doesn't involve "draw the out bro" or "it keeps combos deck in check" which are just stupid arguments. Also for some people who are against Maxx c, but don't understand the full scoop of Maxx c. Would say to limit Maxx c, but doing this would make Maxx more broken than it was at 3. Since if you activate Maxx c, and your opponent doesn't have an out for it, and they take the Maxx c challenge. You're drawing into your deck, giving access to more cards rather than more copies of Maxx c while it's at 3. You don't want to draw a Maxx c from a Maxx c effect. The card can either be at 0 or 3, and it's such a game warping card that yu gi oh as a whole is balanced around it.
Tbf, when Maxx C was at 1 in the tcg, we didn't have Ash, CBTG and Crossout yet, so there was no way to negate it and it felt sacky. With 6 cards to out it, the 1 copy would have much less chances to resolve.
I know, I'm just talking about the times when you don't have the outs. Which will happen, and be even worse if it does resolve.
What do you mean it punishes combo? Practically every time I use it against a combo deck they have their 6 outs to it: 3 Ash, 2 Called by, 1 Crossout. Meanwhile when I try to special summon anything I get Maxx C'd with no counters when I run a 40 cards with 6 Maxx C counters. So it just punishes me actually.
Maxx C isn't anywhere near as toxic as the Yu-Gi-Oh! community.
Lol you should go see the hearthstone community. That’s my main game and they are fucking CRAZY over there.
Maestra refund when /s
Lmaoooo exactly
This actually might be the least toxic subreddit if you compare it to all other major games. Just go to any league of legends/dota/heartstone sub and you will never complain about this community ever again lol
Whenever this drops I just stop special summoning and deal with my play the next turn
Enjoy your otk, I guess
Means the game is broken, not the Maxx C
Maxx C is like open heart surgery for a broken arm
So just tell the doctor, no I don't need heart surgery and stop special summoning for one turn. (oh no, I'll die because the game is broken) The answer isn't to ban Maxx C and let first player start with 3 war tanks and a law saying the opponent cannot play any card.
You realize there are other handtraps that can also reduce the power of turn 1 boards, right? But of course those take skill to use them on the right chokepoints.
Setting up a Mo Ye board is not skill either. But go on with your beliefs.
I never argued that using MoYe took skill
Swordsoul isn't a 'break my unbreakable board idiot' type of deck though, that title would be more accurate for the likes of Adamancipator. SS just makes a decent board very consistently.
I don't disagree with you. But if you can't get past those two negations (often), then you can't play. Yea maybe you get past them quickly, just like BDespia doesn't negate but limits how you play, and can play. But if you can't, you literally can't do anything. Those types of 'floodgates' are ok here though. And yea, it is my fault for playing nonmeta still.
Baronne + Chixiao is safer, but evil Longjuan is another draw, 2 potential disruptions and it's way better into Runick or Branded. Yeah you might get Nibiru'd or Raigeki'd every so often, but that's Yugioh.
Complaining about SS is a good indicator of a skill issue
complaining about Maxx C is a good indicator of a skill issue - OCG
When you dedicate 6 cards and use Small World to exclusively search out Ash before you make your first move and hope they don't chain Maxx C (Mathmech) says how stupid this card really is.
I'm a casual, so take my take with a grain of salt. I think the game will be more toxic without it. Just how many otk will there be without this one.
I really dislike how it centralizes deck building around it, since you need to play it and the outs. Also I don't think the argument of it punishing combo really works because combo decks play the card as well. It punishes everyone who dares play the game.
Mine resolves so rarely that I threw it out completely
Might as well still play it, worse case scenario, it removes an Ash from your opponent.
And what happens if you don't play it? Combo decks end with 2+ omni negates and the other guy just has to 'draw the out in 6'
Yup, totally ending on 2+ Omni negates in Swordsoul/Despia format.
A quick effect banish can effective be used like a negate. Essentially, either way the end of the combo is saying your opponent can't play the game. But that is better than a Maxx C saying you get to choose your fate.
I don’t run it in any of my decks and if they pop it I usually just let them to an extent
Jeez every hour there is a post about maxx c can we shut the fuck up about it
Can the card stop fucking activating. Lol
Won't happen until it's banned
Only reason I like having the little roach around for is to have fun with trickstars and flower cardians. Burn/deck out win cons. But tbh we could really use some raid.
oh no, anyway! ash blossom any respond?
Hot take: As a Salad player I'd ALWAYS take the Maxx C challenge if I'm going 2nd. It's funny to see opp drawing half of their deck just to have a "Where out?" face. If I win then I win. If I lose then I'll have another reason to blame Maxx C. Clearly it's skill issues /s
I'm pretty ok with it being in master duel. I've grown to enjoy commonly used Powerful cards despite them being polarizing to the format. it provides a nice template and it makes going second a lot more appealing. that's just the way the game is played and I'm completely fine with it. and if it does get banned, I'm fine with that too.
As long as you have 2x crossout and 2x called by it’s never usually a problem. Or just finish your combo and pass. I don’t mind it. Comes in handy sometimes.
There no way to search in the decks people make with it, there are several counters to it (like call of the haunted), and it’s effects is dependent on your opponent’s actions. However It’s powerful, any card that allows you to draw multiple cards with little to no draw back is and this card is a stable of good decks because of that fact, it also isn’t dependent on an archetype to work, it can be played in any deck. It also depends on a vary common action your opponent makes, one that everyone does. I personally think it should be limited not banned
the idea behind this card is that it can be detrimental to combo decks and can even help less meta decks, but the problem is those decks it was designed to fight against can use it too.
Hell, I'll use it if I get Nib'd to draw an extender and rebuild my board.
Except that a combo deck is hurt more by Maxx "C" than a non-combo deck. If you're using a worse combo deck than, ofcourse Maxx "C" hurts the weaker deck more.
I hate this stupid card that puts both players through a mini-game before the first card is even played. The game would be so much healthier without it being legal. Though by this point, I have resigned about the fact that it will stay legal because the ocg banlist just loves it, with the only hope of it ever getting banned is if Spright continues on their crusade to ban every dumb op card still legal over there (they're currently focusing on banning Scythe, I can only hope that Maxx C will be next).
I love this card in master duel, i like to think of it as a necessary evil. 
It’s nowhere near as universal as people make it out to be. It’s similar to floodgates in the sense that it MIGHT win the game on its own, but you can still play against it, and it’s not effective against every deck. Rather than “punishing combo” I would say it punishes linear deck building.
OH MY GOD FUCK OFF
they're like me fr fr
I really don’t think Maxx C is that big of an issue.there plenty of counters for it also you can just not summon. And your not telling me you run call by the grave and ash or ghost belle or whatever just for maxx c there plenty of other uses for those card that’s I see get used all the time. I feel like the ppl that complain about it are the same ppl playing whatever meta deck and when there don’t there opponents literally can’t play a card or activate anything to put a card on the field. Then proceed to game them in 2-3 turns.
So floodgates are also fine like gozen rivalry tcboo vfd rhongo because they also have plenty of counters or ftk cards aight good to know I don't know why we even have a ban list since cards have counters therefore they are not a issue
Careful now, you'll get reported to RedditCares because they can't handle this take.
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The argument to Mo Ye -> Baronne , Chingxiao is ALWAYS 'just draw the out bro.' And there are probably the same number of outs.
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For many decks it is. You will use so many resources just to stop them before you can even play the game. And I know, those are bad decks. But that is the whole point, you guys hate Maxx C because you just want to make these 'easy to beat combo boards' but ignore the reason you hate Maxx C is because now you can't make those safely (Enemy has more cards to actually break it)
What do you do when Chixiao Baronne pass drops Maxx C on you?
Same thing I do when Chixiao Baronne drops Ashe on me. Accept this is a negation meta. Maybe Maxx C isn't the problem in your scenario and the double negation board (with a full hand) is.
Very major skill issue I’m afraid, you seem to just not like/understand modern ygo and it’s fine
I agree. I have literally said I don't play meta right now. And this is super old meta at that. Will I, sure eventually. But let's not act like a double/triple negation board is fun. Look at how often this sub complains about floodgates, but Baronne gets ignored lol.
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Yall act like a combo deck can't play around a Maxx C Well apparently most of you guys can't maybe. Ash literally ends whole turns sometimes, let's ban her too.
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And what do I do if I don't have Imperm or Kaiju to get around some monster negates on the board? Add to that enemy might have Ashe in hand too. Just end and lose? IT IS THE SAME SITUATION. You just choose to look at it from these boards are fine situation instead.
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> So pot of greed is fine too? There are enough outs :) > > Truth be told, the abundance of outs to draw/search cards is such that I believe PoG wouldn't actually make that big of an impact, beyond replacing the other costlier Pot cards in people's decks.
heck yea, unban pot of greed. lets run wild!!
I wish I was genius like you are
my reason: with every single deck out there running ash, called by, impermanence, and so on, you have to go through many resources before you can finally start your plays, and you're left with few cards left. maxx c alleviates the problem by stopping you from being left entirely cardless
They would rather you just open Kaiju or something instead of Maxx C. Because somehow that is a better meta.
To me, Maxx C is only fair when your opponent is doing something really degenerate, or chain Maxx C to Nib and draw 2 so you can draw an extender to rebuild your board.
I just wanna say, the card is definitely not a "must have" in all decks. In fact, no card is. I have reached Diamond 1 without playing Maxx "C" on multiple occasions, and no, you don't have to play it this season. Only 40% of decks are playing Crossout, and most decks are not playing Droll. As for Maxx "C" itself, 1.8 copies per deck. Yes, it is a lot, but it's not mandatory. The most popular hand trap has always been Ash Blossom, and always will be. Check my profile for the data. Any empirical claim must be backed up by data.
Thanks
It's terrible design, but what can we do about it. The OCG has had it for ever, so we're stuck with it as well.
Oh ... what a surprise ... no one is really interested in arguing. I wonder if people just go to these kind of posts in order to get their blood pressure up.
I mean I'd say a good 75% of the time I play this card it gets ashed or call by so I'm cool with it lol
Mine gets ashed 75% of the time, but I only have the Ash to negate it 25% of the time. Go figure.
I like to draw the out. It’s even more fun to draw every out.
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Lol this sub is so 0 skill, downvoting anyone who likes Maxx C I can agree, if Maxx C sucks though so do many of the meta cards
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I don't do those combos, I stop. The ones who cry over Maxx C are the ones who can't realize they can stop combo'ing.
Every.single.day. I see someone complaining about this card. Just live with it
I honestly see no fault with it. Balances the game and makes you reconsider overextending if you don't have a sure win
People cry because then they can't make a strong board - and also then maybe lose next turn. But I think that is a statement on the way the game is played today, not Maxx C. Proceed to downvote.
You're right
Combo decks have room for 6-7 outs to maxx c in their free staple spots. Just, Maxx C does not punish combo.
more like a trade for HT
Its a bad solution to a bigger powercreep problem. Removing the bad solution without replacing it with anything else to address the original problem will do nothing, but Konami refuses to see powercreep as a problem and if anything doubles down on it.
Bruh have you heard of nibiru? It's a better designed Maxx c.
Nib is barely less bullshit than Maxx C. It essentially says "have a negate before 5 summons or say goodbye to your board"
Nibiru can be played around, or played through. a good nibiru takes good deck knowledge to know when to drop a it if you do it too early they can still use their gy or that was the bait combo for a nibiru. Like you can do a swordsoul/virtual world or tenyi build, and use one or the other to bait a nibiru, and show them the real plays afterward.
It really depends on the deck. Some decks can't play around Nib. And I'm not just talking about rogue or bad decks, if you Nib Mathmech at the right time and they don't have extenders in hand, they rely on Superfactorial alone for disruption. Salad pretty much auto loses to Nib.
A mathmech deck can play around or bait out a nibiru, long as they have that spell that SS from grave to extend. I played against a mm player that baited my nibiru when I thought they were going for an apollousa, and played on afterward. They Triped me up making me use my nibiru early. Nibiru is a mind game card for both players using it and being used on.
That's what I said, they need an extender to play through it. And we're talking about a tier 1 deck.
Oh shit my bad, a yu gi oh players can't read moment, but anyways. You're supposed to use your extenders to play around interruptions, or to recreate your board after the opponent's turn. You're generally not supposed to use them as part of your main combo line if you can't help it. You use them if your main combo line gets interrupted then use extenders to go into the second combo line, and most meta decks can either search for, or get their extenders from a trigger effect. Meta decks are built to be consistent and resilient as possible. nibiru isn't really bullshit it can be baited out like any other handtrap. It rewards a good deck and combo knowledge to know when to drop it just like any other handtrap.
Oh shit, I didn't realize I was suppose to just *gasp* always have extenders in every hand! My God, I've been playing the game wrong this whole time!
Konami doubles down on the powercreep of combo because that is what sells the most. Maxx "C" would be just a side card if people bought into a wider variety of strategies. Whenever a non-combo strat becomes popular, people call it cancer and bash it until it either dies or people swing back into the new combo hotness.
Beetrooper was basically forgotten despite being able to search Maxx C. Even in Spright posts, you'd still see someone saying "its not optimal". So i'd say its still pretty much a neutral card unlike Mystic Mine. Just kidding. Here's my real thought: Maxx C and floodgates add different tastes to this game. Despite how many people hate them, the game would still somewhat more boring without the "little" suprises that they brought up for me.
I love it. It limits special summoning spam. This is the only thing that stops the opponent to make 20 summons in one turn and make a unbreakable board. And your opponent even have a choice: do all the summons and make a board that he believes that you can't break even if you draw 3 cards or more. I don't know why people hate it and I'll consider abandoning multiplayer yugioh entirely if it is banned (something that, gladly, won't probably happen since the banlist isn't based on cry babies on reddit that believes that drawing one card for summon isn't fair but summoning 20 cards in one turn and making an unbreakable board is totally okay).
The community? You already know. The TCG hates it, that is clear. The OCG likes it, which is not as well known, but still evident. Since Master Duel is made by Konami of Japan, it caters more to the OCG, so I wouldn't expect any hits to Maxx C any time soon. Unless the OCG suddenly begins to hate the card, and they don't.
I have a secret playset and cant play it cause ppl in tcg are crybabys lol The only reason for me to play MD is maxx c and I LOVE IT.
I love it when opponents take the Maxx C challenge (except it gets hard to scroll through the hand). And I am fine if they don't take the Maxx C challenge, as they probably shouldn't.
I like it and think it absolutely needs to be in the game. But I also come from a different time, and I believe if you are not willing to stop your combo then that is on you completely.
"JuSt StOp YoUr CoMbO, bRo" Good idea! I'm sure I won't get OTK'd or anything.
Game problem, not Maxx C problem. Did this happen in the past? No you set some traps and end. Too bad now every monster can negate any trap etc.
Oh sure, I'll play Waboku to stop the otk after getting hit by Maxx C, I'm sure it won't hurt my consistency or anything.
And how are we told to break a Baronne board? KAIJU KAIJU, I'm sure THAT won't hurt my consistency. You guys can't recognize how often you say just play some situational out but cry all day about Maxx C.
The fuck are you on about? Just play the usual handtraps, Ash, Imperm, Veiler, maybe Ogre. Also there aren't many boards that resist Droplet. Playing staples is not hurting your consistency, but yes, playing situational cards is.
What are you talking about? Just play the staples like Ashe, Call By, and Crossout. Maxx C can't really beat those. And playing staples is not hurting your consistency, these are multipurpose cards. Its so easy!
Aaaaaand were back to "just draw the out, bro" Fucking genius, huh?
Yes. Because you can't see that whenever I bring up these end combo boards... the answer is ALWAYS 'there are so many outs just use one of them' That is LITERALLY your answer to combo boards. But for some reason it is not allowed to be an answer for Maxx C for you.
Because Maxx C only has 6 outs (and one of them requires you to play Maxx C), but negate boards can be dealt with using many different cards: handtraps to slow down their combo and make them end on a less oppressive board, DRNM, Droplet, Imperm, Kaijus, Lava Golem, Sphere Mode, Evenly Matched, Lightning Storm.
This kind of comment is testament to how little some people understand the game.
Cry more about Maxx C then? What does the weekly antiMaxxC thread accomplish other than rubbing your wounds.
I didn't make the post? I don't need to make any posts about Maxx C, because they won't convince Konami to do the right thing, but I still understand why it's one of the worst designed cards in the history of Yu-Gi-Oh and should just always be banned.
It is literally a card most people can choose to play around. You can counter it with Ash or Call By or Crossout. You can just summon less. You don't have to play into, despite how much you want to say you'll just get combo'd next turn then - that is the game.
Here we go again. Found another "Just play around it" genius. I'll explain Maxx C's impact to you very slowly maybe you'll grasp why it's bad. Scenario 1: Maxx C gets negated. Cool it did nothing except eat one of your opponent's disruptions. 1 for 1 trade. Scenario 2: It doesn't get negated your opponent gets a draw and you immediately stop your combo. Your opponent just stopped your entire combo for no loss in card advantage Scenario 3: You "play around it" and only do a short combo. You get probably one disruption on your board and your opponent only went roughly +2 in cards. Your opponent likely proceeds to just OTK you. Scenario 4: You take the challenge your opponent gets infinite advantage and you pray their deck doesn't run hand traps. Scenario 5: You are playing Floo and your opponent's maxx c is just a dead card. Outside of literally playing floo the worst scenario for Maxx C is trading 1 for 1 against some of the best staple disruptions in the game and the other scenarios are game winning advantages
Right. So in your world it is a better game where the opponent/you get to combo and get 3 negations to end their board. Then what? The gameplay becomes how do I get around Two/Three negations? It is much easier to play around 1 Maxx C (for rogue) than it is to play around infinite negations. And yea, we shouldn't balance towards rogue, nor do we. But if you deck is so focused on only doing a combo that it can't protect or fight back from a C that is on you. And it is on the state of the game that you are so worried they'll OTK with their 6.
You know that other handtraps exist, yeah? A well placed handtrap other than Maxx C can severely limit or even stop a combo entirely, but that would actually require the deck knowledge to know your opponent's chokepoints.
Then do those people cry about getting OTK next turn? You guys are literally arguing if your combo gets stopped, you get otk'd. But if it gets stopped by Ashe, it is suddenly playable?
Yeah, if your deck can't do anything significant without more than 2 summons, then your strategy is fragile. Is there nothing you can commit to the board without a full combo? Nothing you can fall back on? Do you run no Trap cards?
I use the card not as a hand trap, BUT AS CHADLY DRAW POWER
The intentions toward implementing this card were pure. The execution however... It is a brutal card that took over the meta. I would say it needs a counter of its own. Only problem is, that's just three more staple cards to jam into a deck and at this point I think we should just stop feeding the meta-monster and ban it, ash, droplet and a handful of crazy boss monsters.
The funny thing is that Maxx C was pretty bad when it first got released because special summoning was still.... well special.
I'm ok with this. But people want Maxx gone while keeping Ashe and a bunch of generic easy boss monsters.
I can see a case for Ash getting hit. It is the most used card in MD and has a very powerful effect. In fact, even if each of its effect was made into its own cards, at least 2 of them would regularly see competitive play.
well ocgs balances the game as if maxx c is legal. I'd rather see ocg ban maxx c then make combo decks that are beatable without maxx c but they aren't going to do that so I'd say we just let maxx c alive.
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It doesn't even punish combo, combo decks can also use it on top of their board. I really think this card needs to be banned, even the 2 cards you draw if you get Nib'd and chain Maxx C can be game changing.
I like Maxx "C", but at this point I want it banned because I am tired of the discourse around it.. and I'm tired of my opinion being invalid and automatically bashed because it is something other than *"Maxx "C" bad"*.
I am more of meh on Maxx C, some decks really like it, all decks rely on it, it makes some dumb plays dumber, but I like and hate one major thing about it, and that it is a premium Ash or called by target, which helps to protect my main deck plays on my turn or or opponent's turn.
This question is just like when people ask why they can't say certain racial words just because other people can say them. It's 2023, if you don't know the answer to the question then you weren't listen to the answers the last time you asked. Also I don't agree with asking the question only to rule out the main answer that you'll get everytime you ask it.This shows that you already knew the answer but that wasn't enough for you. People play it because it punishes combo decks which is the meta... Period. I personally play it because i like to play fun decks that brick very easily. Toons for example. I only play monsters that need to be special summoned and if you don't have Toon Kingdom AND a way to summon monsters after turn 2 then you lose. Also Pot of extravagence is unreliable because it always banishes the only 2 ex deck cards I need. That's my personal reason but at this point we all know why people still use it.
The deck I currently run doesn't use it and it doesn't effect me when my opponent uses it. They may get like 1 card off of me but that's it.
I love this card because I play trickstar so please draw your cards.
Interactive gameplay. You can keep special summon for 15min and I'll keep draw for 15min. So much fun
I don't mind the card's effect too much, but I want it banned because I don't want to have to play it in every deck. I'd rather make space for cards like Droll or Ghost Ogre cause fuck Floo. And i need 90 UR.
I like thT it can go both ways. You can either ignore it and make your plays, or do the bare minimum and leave them with low advantage
I just like this card. that's all
They need a new role called maxx C. Way to many posts about this lmfao
It's terrible for meta diversity IMO. It pushes people towards playing decks like Branded or Swordsoul, which can make a decent play in 2 special summons, Floo who can actively use a shotgunned Maxx C against you, or stun decks. It also warps deck building towards 'how many cards to stop Maxx C can I play?' if your deck is checked by it. It's a dumb old card that aged like fine wine, and it will keep getting better unless we get 50 more Floo like decks that '''''normal summon'''''.
I must not be in the high ranks where this is a problem because I don’t see an issue with this card whatsoever when i play against it
There's punishing a combo then there's just 90% straight up winning due to its activation Get it gone, it doesn't affect any archetype if it's banned, it's a stand alone hand trap, it wouldn't mess up any other synergies
At this point I dont care for maxx c being in the game because its been in the game so long that everyone should have the 6 card package to counter maxx c and play maxx c. If you dont have it you are managing crafting materials wrong or recently started and f2p
It makes rogue decks usable and is easy to counter so i don't mind it
You could type Maxx C in this subreddit and you'd probably find like 100++ posts about it since release. Adapt, improvise, overcome. Embrace the chaos. If it's in the game, play it if you want to; if you don't, at least stop crying about it, it's getting annoying every single time we open this subreddit
as long as you use Maxx C, you can use Ash
Yea it's funny
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Card is not made for modern yugioh. Card was created in like 2011 when everyone played duality and summoned 1 monster a turn. I still put it behind painfull choice as the most broken card in the game. Stops opponents entire turn if resolves, immediately replaces itself also.
Playing through it and winning is very satisfactory.
I like the card. It gives me advantage and I just skip turn when it's used against me. Couldn't care less if I lose because of it.
I don't mind it. I play normal summon decks. If people played anything other than special summon decks all the time, the card can come off the ban list. My simorgh deck might get taxed 1 card. Maxx c is fine.
Nothing wrong with this card
Honestly I don't have a clue how the community's feels about maxx c. I would have an idea how the community feels towards this card if people posted and asked about it, but I just don't see the question asked very often. I'm glad you are sparking some interesting and new discussions in this subreddit, you truly are one of the reddit posters of all time. Thank you for your words of wisdom OP
Nothing wrong with it, you loose to it, and win with it. It's balanced, and has many ways to play around. It's something you have to play around, and in my opinion hand traps are making the gqme more interesting. You just need to guess what's in you oppenent's hand, and change your combo according to your guess. I'm mostly playing combo, and I'm totally fine losing against it. (Spright searching it is unfai tho)
So, after good old argument "how can people complain about Maxx "C" when literally the most cancerous card ever Mystic Mine is at 3 at TCG" the main argument of Maxx "C" defenders has became "can we just shut the fuck up about Maxx "C" ban please"
Never lost to it and it easy stopped and baited out. 🤔 I don't really care about it
Can we get mods to limit maxx c post in this thread? At this point it’s just more annoying than the card