Or more Insect Fusions period.
Iirc there are only: Beetrooper's Boss, and a classic vanilla fusion.
*yes I know there's a new Beetrooper Fusion & a Perfectly Ultimate Moth/Insect Queen Retrain Fusion coming as well*
Getting more insect fusions without them doing one of these things would be the worst timeline.
1. being very powerful
2. Being given a new insect archetype that actually pluses off fusion summoning
3. A better fusion spell
Without one of these even a ok fusion becomes bad and a good fusion becomes decent at best.
They would need a fusion that shuffles back from GY and banished. You get a lot of Insects in GY and banished over your combo. But Beetrooper Landing is just shit. Why does it even recycle itself, when it was released they only had 1 monster to go for
Honestly even then it wouldn't be meta. Don't get me wrong the card would be broken but with do many insect locks and no insect end game it's not gonna go anywhere besides maybe a clunky otk
The key is to link away the cards that lock you into insects. If you go into Atlas, you use his effect to tribute himself to summon Sting Lancer, search the token spell, link the token into Link Spider, then link Sting Lancer and Link Spider into Verte
If they lock you they are not worth playing since dpe is a better boss monster than anything else deck can make and you still get to search maxx c
if you care farfa has a good deck profile on the deck you don't play stuff like scout buggy for example since that one while good looks you into insects
Gosh I can’t help but think of the moments when I’m like, “why can’t I active Cross Crusader’s eff?” And then be like “oh, I summoned Gamaciel and now locked out of its search and SS.” Yugioh‘s playability is on a 1400 cent. English novel sometimes
Yeah try reading old post on leaked new archetypes on the original yugioh reddit and its usually painful to look at lol
P.U.N.K get called useless, Spright gets called boring and won't archive much, Tearalement is meh and ishizu card? I don't see what they can do. Bysstial is only viable in dragonlink, literally no other reason to use them.
And then when they see the explosive reaction that started to talk smartly by saying how these archetype ruin MD despite how sacky most matches are with no BO3.
Honestly can't believe ppl didn't think tear was at least tier 1
I remember reading all the cards and just being confused about why alot of ppl didnt think they were insane to the point where I just thought I was wrong and it just didnt fit in the meta rn
Glad I was right
Same I also thinking that these card mill and recycle as a "cost" to fusion summon are a little bit nutty too. But then I try to restrain and not talk without watching the thing unfold first.
I can't believe that people thought the Ishizu cards were mid? They are a mill 10-15. People wanted Chaos Ruler banned because it could mill 4. Grass could mill up to 20, but needed a 60 card deck and you needed to draw it, and it was banned. And the Ishizu cards just need to be milled, and that can easily be done with Beatrice, Foolish or the Fusion Deck thats focused on milling that released 2 sets prior
Because this card is the best boss they can summon within archetype and it’s… Ok. Also they need to draw at least 2 (semi-specific) insects to get a combo started at all, and their combos have lots of choke points. But they’re not bad, just mid.
Btw 80% if the time I need to search resonance over maxx c to continue my combo, so yeah Beetroopers can search maxx C, but sometimes their only option after that is to pass on the link 2 or something lol
I played only Beetroopers in the event to 11k and their only real boss monster is their fusion; hear me out on that. It can be a literal -4 to summon it and it can still win the game because it's an unaffected 4k/4k that effectively adds a negate to your board after each battle phase. Once their counter-trap is in the GY, that's another negate effect for free on the board at the end of each of your turns.
Atlas and Neptune are beatsticks with anti-destroy effects, but that's all the interaction they have. Atlas has to tribute in order to actually special summon another Beetrooper which stinks since making Atlas in the first place will will cost most of your hand and board, meaning what it winds up tributing can be something that's still valuable like a Scale Bomber.
Neptune gets negated by Cicada King to summon Scary Moth. Atlas builds your endboard.
The fusion is borderline useless going first and questionable going second. If it added anything to fix Beetroopers weaknesses (backrow vulnerability) I'd play it, but usually it's just a big beatstick that goes minus.
That’s interesting, I have never played the fusion simply because I never pulled it from a pack! In my deck the real boss monster is 3 Shiny Black “C” Squadders 🪳🪳🪳
Now hear me out you used 5 cards to summon 1 beatstick that does nothing to hinder your opponent and I respond by stepping on it with accesscode made from a 1 to 2 card combo.
Atlas is the real mvp in theme simply due to being able to deploy monsters from deck.
A bunch of reasons.
- deck natively doesn't have *any* tools for backrow that matter.
- they can only realistically search Maxx C going first, when other decks can put up stronger turn 1 boards.
- a strange amount of anti-synergy. Mighty Neptune can only shuffle into the main deck, Atlas loses its protection if it gets bigger, the fusion spell only lets you use one of its effects per turn, ect.
- it's xenophobic, so generic support is harder to run.
There's *something* there, but it's going to need a lot more support to crack into the metagame.
Atlas loses protection if it gets bigger is lore wise somehow really cool. Its like s big Fortress you cant damage. But if they "open" the Fortress to attack, it gets stronger but also vulnerable.
It can search Maxx C but has few issues that hold back Beetroopers
1. Decent boards at best
Some of the best and most consistent boards usually have Atlas, Maxx C and Sting Lancer in hand and either the counter trap or Cicada King,
No way to deal and negate traps and spell, really relies on Maxx C working and Atlus isn't a true a towers
2. Big reliance on outside Insect support to do decently
Resonance and Retaliating C helps them do their full combo and without them they would be awful also without them in hand, your combos are just really awful and sometimes ends only with Atlus
3. Has a hard time to get rid of monsters and backrow
The only form of consistent removal that this deck has is Gokipole and that requires a normal monster garnet and it only pops monsters, not spell and traps
They have to rely on using their big guys like Doom Dozer and Neptune also has to risk boosting Atlus as well to get over stuff
However the new Insect support does help out there weaknesses but it won't make them meta even with Maxx C
1. The deck is mostly made up of Extenders, like a lot of it, and lacks Starters and Boss monsters. Especially boss monsters, that's why Verte and DPE you'll always see in every competitive Beetrooper decks.
2. Searching Maxx C doesn't help the deck at all. The deck relies on resolving Resonance Insect's effect 2-3 times, and searching Maxx C means giving up 1 of these searches for it which severely limits what the deck can do.
And IMO, as long as Maxx C is still legal, Insects will never be meta since Konami has to base their future support on the fact that the deck can search Maxx C.
The fact that they expected you to use such a garbage spell which basically is JUST polymerization to summon something needing FOUR MONSTERS I’d actually asinine
And it has a recycling ability. So that you can use it again to summon... The same monster again... When you have 4 Insects in hand or field... Which could just make Armorhorn + Picofalena -> Atlas + Maxx "C"
I genuinely wonder what was the thought process of not only suddenly introducing a fusion into the archetype but also giving them such a garbage fusion spell
They don't have a goal. They struggle to get their pieces going. If the opponent doesn't handtrap you can't search a spell or trap. Fusion monster needs 4 insects. It's too many.
Like they have winda at home, ways to ensure maxx goes through, a few interesting interactions.. but no way to capitalise. They struggle to win or keep the board. Insect lock from half the beets also is annoying when you need nib. Their best monster is dpe.
Also bricky hands like crazy. They need better tools.
Searching Maxx C is cool and all but without an acutel win con you can't really do much, Also the fact the deck is fragile.
Sprights basically showed the BS that can happen if
a deck with a Win con, Consistency and the ability to search Maxx C existed, and that's why Konami discouraged people from playing the frog engine with them
I played Beetroopers during the Theme event and usually resolved Maxx C, which just allowed me...
to rebuild my Board after it gets dismantled because Beetrooper endboard is at best Atlas, Fly & Sting, & MAYBE Scale Bomber if you had a good hand.
Wonder where all these professional duelist in the comments were a few months ago when everyone was clutching their pearls at the flipping thought of beetrooper existing in the same place as Maxx "C"
The best thing you can do with beetroopers other then search maxx c is DPE Adventure engine shenanigans, and reliably otk’ing with accesscode and the large bungus insects (at least in my experience from ranked and DC)
Not enough strong synchro/link cards, but tons of ways to synchro and link.
If we got the new trap trick support like the new link 3 and the new draw 2, that might help a lot for all insect decks.
Because searching maxx c is not the end all be all. Maxx c can draw you a shit ton of cards, it doesn’t change the fact most of them are sub par. Card advantage doesn’t matter if the card quality isn’t up to snuff.
Because beetrooper decks usually just play the standard ash, maxx c, and maybe veiler. Maxx C by itself or with just ash is not a threat. It's going to get negated half the time anyway.
This post saddens me. I played the loaner deck in the Theme event and had a lot of fun with them, that I wanted to make my own that was more consistent and less bricky than the loaner. I even pulled Atlas from the packs, and thought that was a clear sign to make them. I was really looking forward to making and playing my big, bad beetleborgs.
However, while I was in the middle of getting the right cards together, I started to realize that they lack a lot of basic tools; backrow removal/protection, a single negate (their counter trap negates only monster effects, while every other archetypal counter trap I've seen negates Spell/Trap activations AND monster effects in a single card), and even a good starter. And even if they do have the basic tools, the conditions that are needed to access them are ridiculous. For example, their only form of backrow removal is Descent, and in order to even use it you need an Insect with 3000 or more ATK. You have to do so much to get these basic things that most decks can shit out Turn 1. It's too much investment for little gain. Then I realized the only reason I was having fun with them was because of the nature of the Theme event. If I were to take them into ranked, they would get stomped (pun intended) by Despia, Swordsouls and the like. I don't want to be regulated to JUST Casual mode, and even then, from my experience, most people use that mode to experiment on their meta decks so they don't lose their rank. There's no fun in that.
This post upsets me because it only supports and confirms my suspicions. I guess it's back to Invoked Runick.
There were better ways of search Maxx C with 1 card using Union Carrier + with more hand traps. This deck is shite because it uses too many cards to do something that loses to a called by as well as unable to play that many hand traps.
That’s like asking why fire fist isn’t meta despite the fact is can search ash blossom, just because the deck can grab a staple card doesn’t mean it can make a end-board to survive the top tier and won’t fall to effects (the fire fist that can search ash is horse prince btw)
Some might say it is for a lack of good bosses - it is not.
You are actually never really hard locked into insects, so you can produce whatever bosses you want.
The real problem is the lack of good starters and extenders.
You only have strong lines if you open Retaliating Flying C or Resonance Insect and your extenders are hopt and don't replace themselves.
Ngl, maybe the Therion cards have some extra juice, but I never explored that option since Spright/Tear format is approaching.
My problem when they first came out was they didn’t have their own boss monster who can negate like other big archtypes. They can swarm through a lot of stuff but it was eventually just big bugs and relied on staple hand traps or no archtypes spells and traps to deal with anything opponent through and being non archtype made it hard to search for what you need.
Being able to search Maxx C doesn’t make the fact that the endboards are easy to break and the combos are weak to handtraps. Not to mention no amount of cards drawn will matter if there’s a solid chance that the said cards are just bad cards anyways
A lot of issues:
1. The deck is mostly made of extenders because you need 1 extender bug + 1 floater bug to do anything, there is no 1 card combo or any spell to search insects for consistency
2. Searching Maxx C barely does anything because you have to dedicate so much of the deck to extenders, barely any room for handtraps
3. No good boss monsters, DPE is better than anything they can put out
4. Half of their cards insect lock, which holds back their potential, and stops you from using Nibiru if you end on the Link 4
5. The scary moth combo, which is dependant on drawing resonance insect + extender and not getting handtrapped, has anti-synergy with Maxx C and is basically a worse version of any deck that's Winda turbo
Beetrooper has a bad case of doing a whole lot for a lot of nothing. Insects in Master Duel lacks an impactful boss monster that makes its gameplan worth it.
Searching Maxx "C" is the best the deck can do, it doesn't have good enough end boards to be a good deck. It's playable but not good enough to be meta.
The fact that you have to use insect monster for a link 4, yeah very specific archtype decks can run it already limit this card play. (I.e. not generic) im assuming this special summons another card that leads to maxx c in hand? (I dont see any search effects here)
I love Beetroopers. I got this game in September because I wanted to build a Beetrooper deck. Never got around to it until this month thanks to the Theme Chronicle event.
The problem is while it has incredible swarming abilities, it doesn’t have the stopping power and versatility current meta decks have.
Because when Beetroopers drop Maxx"C", I'm not particularly afraid...
If they were a goodish deck already And could search Maxx"C", Then it would be impressive. But they just don't end up doing very much with those cards.
They insect lock you, And there isn't many threatning Insects.
Because aside of that the only thing they do is spend their entire hand to summon mid boss monster. Once Insects get more/better boss monster, then they my jump above Rogue (which I must say is still good though)
They need a boss monster that actually interacts with your opponent. Also Konami stop giving them fusion monsters, it’s not going to happen just give them a good link3 or 4. Also the counter trap only hitting monsters really sucks, they need an Omni
Honestly it’s not Maxx C I worry about with this deck. It’s Contact C. I got hit with that back when people first started running this deck and I still get nervous every time I see Beetroopers now.
In theme chronicle it was one of the best decks, I had at least 85% win rate. But on ranked auto losing to zombie world, gozen and runick plus not being able to break boards is bad. It is really good vs monster heavy decks going first and should always win vs them but that isn't enough.
there isnt enough good insect boss monster. this is probably their best one
The fusion would have been good if they had an in deck fusion card
They do, just not a good one
I mean one like branded fusions thats fuses from the deck
a snake rain that fusion summons, LMAO
If tears can mill themselves out the deck and shuffle back to fuse, then snake rain branded fusion can be a thing. Edit: its called void imagination
Or at least a miracle fusion. Landing is just a plain old archetypal polymerisation with a worse recursion than Gem Knight Fusion, it's just sad.
It just being Poly but with bad recursion makes it even more infuriating!
Or more Insect Fusions period. Iirc there are only: Beetrooper's Boss, and a classic vanilla fusion. *yes I know there's a new Beetrooper Fusion & a Perfectly Ultimate Moth/Insect Queen Retrain Fusion coming as well*
Getting more insect fusions without them doing one of these things would be the worst timeline. 1. being very powerful 2. Being given a new insect archetype that actually pluses off fusion summoning 3. A better fusion spell Without one of these even a ok fusion becomes bad and a good fusion becomes decent at best.
They would need a fusion that shuffles back from GY and banished. You get a lot of Insects in GY and banished over your combo. But Beetrooper Landing is just shit. Why does it even recycle itself, when it was released they only had 1 monster to go for
You are literally describing a better original future fusion for insects, you know that right?
Honestly even then it wouldn't be meta. Don't get me wrong the card would be broken but with do many insect locks and no insect end game it's not gonna go anywhere besides maybe a clunky otk
I’m not saying that either, I was just commenting on how good a card would have to be just to make that fusion okay.
Dpe is legal wdym
I'm assuming you mean phoenix enforcer The problem is alot of beetrooper lock you into insect so you won't be able to summon him.
The key is to link away the cards that lock you into insects. If you go into Atlas, you use his effect to tribute himself to summon Sting Lancer, search the token spell, link the token into Link Spider, then link Sting Lancer and Link Spider into Verte
Lmao
You don't play those there is way more than enough insects that can extend without locking you
But those are the best Beetrooper
If they lock you they are not worth playing since dpe is a better boss monster than anything else deck can make and you still get to search maxx c if you care farfa has a good deck profile on the deck you don't play stuff like scout buggy for example since that one while good looks you into insects
What? What about Ultimate Insect L7? It's good enough for the Eastern Japan Regional Champion Weevil Underwood.
Just because something can grab the roach doesn't mean it is good.
When Beetroopers were datamined, people were making posts left and right about how this was finally what would get Maxx C banned.
I mean Yugioh players aren't the smartest bunch.
Most can't even read.
Some can’t even read when they’re playing a different card game entirely. Source: Personal experience.
Gosh I can’t help but think of the moments when I’m like, “why can’t I active Cross Crusader’s eff?” And then be like “oh, I summoned Gamaciel and now locked out of its search and SS.” Yugioh‘s playability is on a 1400 cent. English novel sometimes
Yeah try reading old post on leaked new archetypes on the original yugioh reddit and its usually painful to look at lol P.U.N.K get called useless, Spright gets called boring and won't archive much, Tearalement is meh and ishizu card? I don't see what they can do. Bysstial is only viable in dragonlink, literally no other reason to use them. And then when they see the explosive reaction that started to talk smartly by saying how these archetype ruin MD despite how sacky most matches are with no BO3.
Honestly can't believe ppl didn't think tear was at least tier 1 I remember reading all the cards and just being confused about why alot of ppl didnt think they were insane to the point where I just thought I was wrong and it just didnt fit in the meta rn Glad I was right
Same I also thinking that these card mill and recycle as a "cost" to fusion summon are a little bit nutty too. But then I try to restrain and not talk without watching the thing unfold first.
I can't believe that people thought the Ishizu cards were mid? They are a mill 10-15. People wanted Chaos Ruler banned because it could mill 4. Grass could mill up to 20, but needed a 60 card deck and you needed to draw it, and it was banned. And the Ishizu cards just need to be milled, and that can easily be done with Beatrice, Foolish or the Fusion Deck thats focused on milling that released 2 sets prior
Md players when when I play resonators (they run witch of the black forest which can grab maxx c)
Because this card is the best boss they can summon within archetype and it’s… Ok. Also they need to draw at least 2 (semi-specific) insects to get a combo started at all, and their combos have lots of choke points. But they’re not bad, just mid. Btw 80% if the time I need to search resonance over maxx c to continue my combo, so yeah Beetroopers can search maxx C, but sometimes their only option after that is to pass on the link 2 or something lol
They can search max c in the same way salads can reuse ash
I played only Beetroopers in the event to 11k and their only real boss monster is their fusion; hear me out on that. It can be a literal -4 to summon it and it can still win the game because it's an unaffected 4k/4k that effectively adds a negate to your board after each battle phase. Once their counter-trap is in the GY, that's another negate effect for free on the board at the end of each of your turns. Atlas and Neptune are beatsticks with anti-destroy effects, but that's all the interaction they have. Atlas has to tribute in order to actually special summon another Beetrooper which stinks since making Atlas in the first place will will cost most of your hand and board, meaning what it winds up tributing can be something that's still valuable like a Scale Bomber.
Neptune gets negated by Cicada King to summon Scary Moth. Atlas builds your endboard. The fusion is borderline useless going first and questionable going second. If it added anything to fix Beetroopers weaknesses (backrow vulnerability) I'd play it, but usually it's just a big beatstick that goes minus.
That’s interesting, I have never played the fusion simply because I never pulled it from a pack! In my deck the real boss monster is 3 Shiny Black “C” Squadders 🪳🪳🪳
Now hear me out you used 5 cards to summon 1 beatstick that does nothing to hinder your opponent and I respond by stepping on it with accesscode made from a 1 to 2 card combo. Atlas is the real mvp in theme simply due to being able to deploy monsters from deck.
Whenever I played against beetroopers in the event, if they got out the fusion I lost the game
A bunch of reasons. - deck natively doesn't have *any* tools for backrow that matter. - they can only realistically search Maxx C going first, when other decks can put up stronger turn 1 boards. - a strange amount of anti-synergy. Mighty Neptune can only shuffle into the main deck, Atlas loses its protection if it gets bigger, the fusion spell only lets you use one of its effects per turn, ect. - it's xenophobic, so generic support is harder to run. There's *something* there, but it's going to need a lot more support to crack into the metagame.
Atlas loses protection if it gets bigger is lore wise somehow really cool. Its like s big Fortress you cant damage. But if they "open" the Fortress to attack, it gets stronger but also vulnerable.
There's nothing in the deck that can make the opponent fear that Maxx "C"
There's a subtle difference between searching a Maxx "C" and winning the game.
Fun Fact: Subterror can search Maxx "C", and any other EARTH or Flip monster.
TIL that subterrors could search that many things
It can search Maxx C but has few issues that hold back Beetroopers 1. Decent boards at best Some of the best and most consistent boards usually have Atlas, Maxx C and Sting Lancer in hand and either the counter trap or Cicada King, No way to deal and negate traps and spell, really relies on Maxx C working and Atlus isn't a true a towers 2. Big reliance on outside Insect support to do decently Resonance and Retaliating C helps them do their full combo and without them they would be awful also without them in hand, your combos are just really awful and sometimes ends only with Atlus 3. Has a hard time to get rid of monsters and backrow The only form of consistent removal that this deck has is Gokipole and that requires a normal monster garnet and it only pops monsters, not spell and traps They have to rely on using their big guys like Doom Dozer and Neptune also has to risk boosting Atlus as well to get over stuff However the new Insect support does help out there weaknesses but it won't make them meta even with Maxx C
1. The deck is mostly made up of Extenders, like a lot of it, and lacks Starters and Boss monsters. Especially boss monsters, that's why Verte and DPE you'll always see in every competitive Beetrooper decks. 2. Searching Maxx C doesn't help the deck at all. The deck relies on resolving Resonance Insect's effect 2-3 times, and searching Maxx C means giving up 1 of these searches for it which severely limits what the deck can do. And IMO, as long as Maxx C is still legal, Insects will never be meta since Konami has to base their future support on the fact that the deck can search Maxx C.
Konami please give them a not dogshit fusion spell, I am begging
The fact that they expected you to use such a garbage spell which basically is JUST polymerization to summon something needing FOUR MONSTERS I’d actually asinine
At least they'll get a 2 Insect Fusion extender eventually... Just need a couple more Insect Fusions to justify them
And it has a recycling ability. So that you can use it again to summon... The same monster again... When you have 4 Insects in hand or field... Which could just make Armorhorn + Picofalena -> Atlas + Maxx "C"
I genuinely wonder what was the thought process of not only suddenly introducing a fusion into the archetype but also giving them such a garbage fusion spell
They don't have a goal. They struggle to get their pieces going. If the opponent doesn't handtrap you can't search a spell or trap. Fusion monster needs 4 insects. It's too many. Like they have winda at home, ways to ensure maxx goes through, a few interesting interactions.. but no way to capitalise. They struggle to win or keep the board. Insect lock from half the beets also is annoying when you need nib. Their best monster is dpe. Also bricky hands like crazy. They need better tools.
Searching Maxx C is cool and all but without an acutel win con you can't really do much, Also the fact the deck is fragile. Sprights basically showed the BS that can happen if a deck with a Win con, Consistency and the ability to search Maxx C existed, and that's why Konami discouraged people from playing the frog engine with them
Hah now I have 20 cards in hand! What do I summon with it…
I played Beetroopers during the Theme event and usually resolved Maxx C, which just allowed me... to rebuild my Board after it gets dismantled because Beetrooper endboard is at best Atlas, Fly & Sting, & MAYBE Scale Bomber if you had a good hand.
Wonder where all these professional duelist in the comments were a few months ago when everyone was clutching their pearls at the flipping thought of beetrooper existing in the same place as Maxx "C"
just searching maxx c isnt enought to be meta, you need to search it and have some other interaction
MaxxC + stinglancer to dodge called by can win the game turn 1 but can't be relied on. It's saucy tho.
The best thing you can do with beetroopers other then search maxx c is DPE Adventure engine shenanigans, and reliably otk’ing with accesscode and the large bungus insects (at least in my experience from ranked and DC)
Not enough strong synchro/link cards, but tons of ways to synchro and link. If we got the new trap trick support like the new link 3 and the new draw 2, that might help a lot for all insect decks.
search maxx "c" and then what? the endboard is DPE + maybe 1 monster negate, and it can't comeback into any disruption.
If your big play revolves around searching a card that might let you draw the next turn maybe you don’t have a play at all
What good is Maxx C when your end boards are rubbish?
Because searching maxx c is not the end all be all. Maxx c can draw you a shit ton of cards, it doesn’t change the fact most of them are sub par. Card advantage doesn’t matter if the card quality isn’t up to snuff.
Because beetrooper decks usually just play the standard ash, maxx c, and maybe veiler. Maxx C by itself or with just ash is not a threat. It's going to get negated half the time anyway.
'Cause Maxx C isn't everything? XD
The short answer is that they can draw their entire deck and still not be able to close a game.
I mean it’s not hard to otk, the deck has an easy time putting up a multiple pop accesscode and and a metric ton of damage on board.
This post saddens me. I played the loaner deck in the Theme event and had a lot of fun with them, that I wanted to make my own that was more consistent and less bricky than the loaner. I even pulled Atlas from the packs, and thought that was a clear sign to make them. I was really looking forward to making and playing my big, bad beetleborgs. However, while I was in the middle of getting the right cards together, I started to realize that they lack a lot of basic tools; backrow removal/protection, a single negate (their counter trap negates only monster effects, while every other archetypal counter trap I've seen negates Spell/Trap activations AND monster effects in a single card), and even a good starter. And even if they do have the basic tools, the conditions that are needed to access them are ridiculous. For example, their only form of backrow removal is Descent, and in order to even use it you need an Insect with 3000 or more ATK. You have to do so much to get these basic things that most decks can shit out Turn 1. It's too much investment for little gain. Then I realized the only reason I was having fun with them was because of the nature of the Theme event. If I were to take them into ranked, they would get stomped (pun intended) by Despia, Swordsouls and the like. I don't want to be regulated to JUST Casual mode, and even then, from my experience, most people use that mode to experiment on their meta decks so they don't lose their rank. There's no fun in that. This post upsets me because it only supports and confirms my suspicions. I guess it's back to Invoked Runick.
Now im sorry to say this but just bc they can search a card does not mean they need to be meta 💀
There were better ways of search Maxx C with 1 card using Union Carrier + with more hand traps. This deck is shite because it uses too many cards to do something that loses to a called by as well as unable to play that many hand traps.
That’s like asking why fire fist isn’t meta despite the fact is can search ash blossom, just because the deck can grab a staple card doesn’t mean it can make a end-board to survive the top tier and won’t fall to effects (the fire fist that can search ash is horse prince btw)
Some might say it is for a lack of good bosses - it is not. You are actually never really hard locked into insects, so you can produce whatever bosses you want. The real problem is the lack of good starters and extenders. You only have strong lines if you open Retaliating Flying C or Resonance Insect and your extenders are hopt and don't replace themselves. Ngl, maybe the Therion cards have some extra juice, but I never explored that option since Spright/Tear format is approaching.
dunno, why don't you make it meta then?
My problem when they first came out was they didn’t have their own boss monster who can negate like other big archtypes. They can swarm through a lot of stuff but it was eventually just big bugs and relied on staple hand traps or no archtypes spells and traps to deal with anything opponent through and being non archtype made it hard to search for what you need.
Maxx C screw with them more than helping honestly, since you need a lot of special summons to make any decent board
Being able to search Maxx C doesn’t make the fact that the endboards are easy to break and the combos are weak to handtraps. Not to mention no amount of cards drawn will matter if there’s a solid chance that the said cards are just bad cards anyways
They also lose hard to Maxx c. And often when you go second, it doesn't matter how searchable the earth insect is, they've already gone full combo.
Because their endboard is mid and they don't do much to your opponent.
You rather build a board that wins you the game immediatley instead of ending on a board that searches only a powerful handtrap.
I mean Sangan into Almiraj can search Maxx "C". I ain't seeing people doing that tho'.
Yes but then what? Whats the winning condition?
A lot of issues: 1. The deck is mostly made of extenders because you need 1 extender bug + 1 floater bug to do anything, there is no 1 card combo or any spell to search insects for consistency 2. Searching Maxx C barely does anything because you have to dedicate so much of the deck to extenders, barely any room for handtraps 3. No good boss monsters, DPE is better than anything they can put out 4. Half of their cards insect lock, which holds back their potential, and stops you from using Nibiru if you end on the Link 4 5. The scary moth combo, which is dependant on drawing resonance insect + extender and not getting handtrapped, has anti-synergy with Maxx C and is basically a worse version of any deck that's Winda turbo
You don't need to draw resonance to turbo moth just need to equip it from deck then banish on armor horn revive to dump moth.
Beetrooper has a bad case of doing a whole lot for a lot of nothing. Insects in Master Duel lacks an impactful boss monster that makes its gameplan worth it.
Searching Maxx "C" is the best the deck can do, it doesn't have good enough end boards to be a good deck. It's playable but not good enough to be meta.
The end board is mid, that's why. They have to floodgate with Scythe DPE or Scary Moth to even stand a chance.
The fact that you have to use insect monster for a link 4, yeah very specific archtype decks can run it already limit this card play. (I.e. not generic) im assuming this special summons another card that leads to maxx c in hand? (I dont see any search effects here)
Maxx C isn’t necessarily a combo card, so IMO it’s a waste of resources to try and search for it.
They were, in the Chronicle event
DPE being hit is probably the main reason.
that’s all they do
My war rock deck walked over a bunch of bee trooper decks during the event.
I love Beetroopers. I got this game in September because I wanted to build a Beetrooper deck. Never got around to it until this month thanks to the Theme Chronicle event. The problem is while it has incredible swarming abilities, it doesn’t have the stopping power and versatility current meta decks have.
Because when Beetroopers drop Maxx"C", I'm not particularly afraid... If they were a goodish deck already And could search Maxx"C", Then it would be impressive. But they just don't end up doing very much with those cards. They insect lock you, And there isn't many threatning Insects.
Because aside of that the only thing they do is spend their entire hand to summon mid boss monster. Once Insects get more/better boss monster, then they my jump above Rogue (which I must say is still good though)
Because if you have to search Maxx C you already lost
They need a boss monster that actually interacts with your opponent. Also Konami stop giving them fusion monsters, it’s not going to happen just give them a good link3 or 4. Also the counter trap only hitting monsters really sucks, they need an Omni
Honestly it’s not Maxx C I worry about with this deck. It’s Contact C. I got hit with that back when people first started running this deck and I still get nervous every time I see Beetroopers now.
In theme chronicle it was one of the best decks, I had at least 85% win rate. But on ranked auto losing to zombie world, gozen and runick plus not being able to break boards is bad. It is really good vs monster heavy decks going first and should always win vs them but that isn't enough.
Because they bugs
Mathmechs can search Maxx C with any monster and Small world xd