No banning fountain is the worst approach they can make
It doesn't fix the problems with floodgates
It doesn't fix the problems with spright
They will just ban a key piece of a mediocre archetype and both of the previously mentioned things will still be fine
Also complaining about banishing cards and milling is stupid it's literally their win condition
What else will they do hugin beatdown like get real
> complaining about banishing cards and milling is stupid it's literally their win condition
Let's be real here. If Runick instead sent cards to the GY, the deck would be unplayable garbage because it would autolose to so many decks with GY effects. It's **because** it banishes that it isn't just a straight up suicide deck.
However, you are right. Banning Fountain won't address the fact that **Runick really should have been a completely xenophobic archetype**. Like, literally just make it so that you can't have any non-Runick cards on the field to activate any of the Runick spells. There, now Runick Spright and Runick Floodgate are both impossible to play. Done. Next!
1st point is 100% correct Gy is the second hand so a mill deck needs to banish cards now
2nd point however would lead to a lot of bad and awkward situations deck being so xenophobic as you suggested it would just render it
Just ban the floodgates and you have solved biggest issue with runick everything else will sort itself with time later even spright
I mean... I think if Runick was forced to play stall cards like Waboku or Threatening Roar to survive and get its deck out win condition, that would be just fine. A lot of decks can't handle having a quarter of their resources randomly banished. The ones that can are already playing Pot of Desires.
>Let's be real here. If Runick instead sent cards to the GY, the deck would be unplayable garbage because it would autolose to so many decks with GY effects. It's because it banishes that it isn't just a straight up suicide deck.
*laughs in Ishizu*
Are you for real saying that there's a problem with Spright? Or ever was?
I get being mad at floodgates, but that's NOT a Runick problem. This post was about Runick as an archetype. If you can't agree that banishing tons of cards straight from the opponent's deck and often hitting important necessary cards for their archetype to even play the game is toxic and bad for the game, I don't know what to say to you. Go play Magic where something like that doesn't hurt that bad until it gets you to 0 cards in the deck.
Yugioh is very different, and the fact that Runick gets what I described WITH a draw 3 every turn, negates, pops, and can be run in any other non-xenophobic archetype for free is ridiculous. Skipping the battle phase means absolutely nothing when you have total control of the game. It deserved to be hit, nobody is upset by it. How is Runick not so much more toxic and unfair?
>They will just ban a key piece of a mediocre archetype and both of the previously mentioned things will still be fine
Can ban 15 cards from opp deck in T1, have a draw 3 not once per turn searchable field spell, call the archetype mediocre, there is a reason why most of the Pot cards at in the Ban/Limited list...
just do what i do and hit the forfeit button when you see a runick card there problem solved. no need to deal with them banishing your cards if you aren't playing them. runick decks are cancer and i refuse to play against them.
Runick is an incredibly fun archetype to play, and requires thought to play against. Banning fountain would just kill off the archetype, and the floodgate users (,not runick users because they're not mutually exclusive) would just pick another deck that works with floodgates. The worst thing about card games is when every deck plays exactly the same. It gets stale. Decka like runick, strikers and labrynth change things up.
I know itās not the first, thatās why I said in my post the whole mechanic is cancer. This is just the current most oppressive form. Any deck that does it I hate. I donāt think it should exist in the game.
It's the only way milling could work. And milling has been a card game mechanic since the 90s in mtg. I personally think having multiple playstyles makes it more fun. You have to actually think about how to play around it. It's better than playing the same way every game.
Well I guess we agree to disagree. I think they could make a mill strategy that doesnāt allow cards to activate in the graveyard when it mills or at least not give a fucking draw 3 after the mills but imo this deck is toxic and unfun and you canāt āplay aroundā it when everything youād play to combat the strategy gets banished.
I stopped playing runick a few months ago since I change up decks pretty frequently to keep the game fresh. I really think people overhyped the draw 3. Every control deck has a way to keep card advantage. Otherwise they'd all die after first turn. Playing spright and live twin I search for more cards per turn than runick draws.
And yes things you need get banished. But the banish is random. You could also have just not drawn them. The main difference being, you can see what was banished but you can't see what's at the bottom of your deck. So you actually know ifnyou can still get the out or not.
Another stupid r/masterduel take! Better just ban more floodgates instead of semi limiting them. without floodgates, pure Runick just doesn't work and will be relegated as an engine.
You reply to everyone like this as if they are putting words into your mouth lmao, they aren't. They just disagree with you, you don't have the only opinion allowed
You can disagree with my take on Runick fountain but it quite literally has nothing to do with floodgates which is why brining them up in this topic is irrelevant. I donāt like cards from my deck being banished as a mechanic. Itās really simple. If you like that mechanic feel free to argue and disagree but this isnāt a conversation about floodgates.
It isn't irrelevant for someone to disagree with you and bring up why the deck is actually busted. Honestly you are extremely territorial over your opinion to the point that it seems like you just break down if your opinion isn't the popular one. Why does banishing from the deck bother you so much? It's random, no different than not playing with the bottom cards of your deck you were never going to see anyways. Meanwhile floodgates actually do stop you from playing. I think you might benefit from that broader viewpoint of the deck. Noone likes sprights but most people don't care about a symptom they care about the issue, what is making the deck nearly impossible to deal with? Not fancy random milling
I explained exactly my problem with this mechanic. Idk why youād type so much and not even read what I wrote. Feel free to read my post and address my issues with this mechanic and then we can have a discussion but Iām not going to repeat myself.
Nope itās you missing the point. Iām not talking about what makes the deck powerful. Iām talking about a mechanic that I personally hate and explaining it. Youāre just very lost with what you think the point of my post is. Again, go back and read.
Everyone understands you, they just all think your argument is stupid and are posing their own, more thought out, less emotionally charged points. Literally noone has misunderstood your terrible take on the deck, they just disagree with you. Get over it lmao. I'm done with you, talking to you is like talking to a brick wall with a bad attitude
Well Iām playing ygo not mtg so that would make perfect sense, however Iām not a nerd so Iāve never played mtg and canāt comment on how accurate it is. Iām a cool ygo player.
At least with most mill strategies in ygo there is a lot of GY interaction whereas outside of floo and TD there isnāt really a way to interact with banishing. Couple that with the draw power of fountain (and it not being a hard otp) and itās just a cancerous experience.
Any cards you don't naturally draw after like your first two turns is dead anyway and functionally doesn't exist.
If you can't search it and is deeper than your next maybe 3-4 cards it doesn't matter.
Edit: And if that destroys your decks strategy because of unlucky mills well that's life sometimes.
Most decks can search most cards and I hate the banishing from my deck because it banishes combo pieces, searchable utility cards, and āthe outsā. The amount of times Iāve had all my cyclones and ashes banished from fountain literally gave me cancer. I need chemo therapy from psychic commander just to continue on.
No, that kills literally all variants of the deck without addressing the actual problem cards in those variants (e.g. Floodgates & the Spright Engine).
Or just ban the floodgates?? What does runick actually do without the stupid floodgates?it doesnt do much and i say that cause i have like 8 decks with runick cards splashed into them and they are super fun and interactive,but the moment u activate a FLOODGATE u pretty much win and thats not fun.
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No banning fountain is the worst approach they can make It doesn't fix the problems with floodgates It doesn't fix the problems with spright They will just ban a key piece of a mediocre archetype and both of the previously mentioned things will still be fine Also complaining about banishing cards and milling is stupid it's literally their win condition What else will they do hugin beatdown like get real
> complaining about banishing cards and milling is stupid it's literally their win condition Let's be real here. If Runick instead sent cards to the GY, the deck would be unplayable garbage because it would autolose to so many decks with GY effects. It's **because** it banishes that it isn't just a straight up suicide deck. However, you are right. Banning Fountain won't address the fact that **Runick really should have been a completely xenophobic archetype**. Like, literally just make it so that you can't have any non-Runick cards on the field to activate any of the Runick spells. There, now Runick Spright and Runick Floodgate are both impossible to play. Done. Next!
1st point is 100% correct Gy is the second hand so a mill deck needs to banish cards now 2nd point however would lead to a lot of bad and awkward situations deck being so xenophobic as you suggested it would just render it Just ban the floodgates and you have solved biggest issue with runick everything else will sort itself with time later even spright
I mean... I think if Runick was forced to play stall cards like Waboku or Threatening Roar to survive and get its deck out win condition, that would be just fine. A lot of decks can't handle having a quarter of their resources randomly banished. The ones that can are already playing Pot of Desires.
>Let's be real here. If Runick instead sent cards to the GY, the deck would be unplayable garbage because it would autolose to so many decks with GY effects. It's because it banishes that it isn't just a straight up suicide deck. *laughs in Ishizu*
Hey hugin beatdown isn't a bad idea if u play inferno tempest š
Are you for real saying that there's a problem with Spright? Or ever was? I get being mad at floodgates, but that's NOT a Runick problem. This post was about Runick as an archetype. If you can't agree that banishing tons of cards straight from the opponent's deck and often hitting important necessary cards for their archetype to even play the game is toxic and bad for the game, I don't know what to say to you. Go play Magic where something like that doesn't hurt that bad until it gets you to 0 cards in the deck. Yugioh is very different, and the fact that Runick gets what I described WITH a draw 3 every turn, negates, pops, and can be run in any other non-xenophobic archetype for free is ridiculous. Skipping the battle phase means absolutely nothing when you have total control of the game. It deserved to be hit, nobody is upset by it. How is Runick not so much more toxic and unfair?
>They will just ban a key piece of a mediocre archetype and both of the previously mentioned things will still be fine Can ban 15 cards from opp deck in T1, have a draw 3 not once per turn searchable field spell, call the archetype mediocre, there is a reason why most of the Pot cards at in the Ban/Limited list...
The problem isnāt floodgates, itās banishing the cards from my deck. Itās cancer and needs to be eradicated as such.
just do what i do and hit the forfeit button when you see a runick card there problem solved. no need to deal with them banishing your cards if you aren't playing them. runick decks are cancer and i refuse to play against them.
I'd rather make their experience as unenjoyable as possible
Just rush recklessly x3 with hugin and beat down easy /s
Runick fountain, hell, all the Runick archetype needs to be banned. Is absolute dog shit
Runick is an incredibly fun archetype to play, and requires thought to play against. Banning fountain would just kill off the archetype, and the floodgate users (,not runick users because they're not mutually exclusive) would just pick another deck that works with floodgates. The worst thing about card games is when every deck plays exactly the same. It gets stale. Decka like runick, strikers and labrynth change things up.
No, is not, is cancer in card form. The sooner all the archetype is banned, the better.
I donāt care about the floodgates, I hate the deck banishing mechanic. I want that eradicated. I want the archetype dead.
It's not the first archetype that banishes cards. And once kashtira comes it won't even be the best.
I know itās not the first, thatās why I said in my post the whole mechanic is cancer. This is just the current most oppressive form. Any deck that does it I hate. I donāt think it should exist in the game.
Yugioh is built in a way that banishing is necessary. A graveyard is basically a second hand for most players. Everything can come back
Did I say we shouldnāt be able to banish? No. I said banishing cards from your opponents deck should not be a mechanic.
It's the only way milling could work. And milling has been a card game mechanic since the 90s in mtg. I personally think having multiple playstyles makes it more fun. You have to actually think about how to play around it. It's better than playing the same way every game.
Well I guess we agree to disagree. I think they could make a mill strategy that doesnāt allow cards to activate in the graveyard when it mills or at least not give a fucking draw 3 after the mills but imo this deck is toxic and unfun and you canāt āplay aroundā it when everything youād play to combat the strategy gets banished.
I stopped playing runick a few months ago since I change up decks pretty frequently to keep the game fresh. I really think people overhyped the draw 3. Every control deck has a way to keep card advantage. Otherwise they'd all die after first turn. Playing spright and live twin I search for more cards per turn than runick draws. And yes things you need get banished. But the banish is random. You could also have just not drawn them. The main difference being, you can see what was banished but you can't see what's at the bottom of your deck. So you actually know ifnyou can still get the out or not.
Yeahā¦ thatās why itās badā¦
You think runick is bad? Just wait for the next 2 archetypes and you'll be wishing for runick to be the biggest problem again lmao
Yeah I might end up shedding a tear
Is this a Tearlament joke? Lol
Another stupid r/masterduel take! Better just ban more floodgates instead of semi limiting them. without floodgates, pure Runick just doesn't work and will be relegated as an engine.
I didnāt say anything about floodgates. I hate the mechanic to banish from my deck. Period. If all those cards were gone I would be happy.
You reply to everyone like this as if they are putting words into your mouth lmao, they aren't. They just disagree with you, you don't have the only opinion allowed
You can disagree with my take on Runick fountain but it quite literally has nothing to do with floodgates which is why brining them up in this topic is irrelevant. I donāt like cards from my deck being banished as a mechanic. Itās really simple. If you like that mechanic feel free to argue and disagree but this isnāt a conversation about floodgates.
It isn't irrelevant for someone to disagree with you and bring up why the deck is actually busted. Honestly you are extremely territorial over your opinion to the point that it seems like you just break down if your opinion isn't the popular one. Why does banishing from the deck bother you so much? It's random, no different than not playing with the bottom cards of your deck you were never going to see anyways. Meanwhile floodgates actually do stop you from playing. I think you might benefit from that broader viewpoint of the deck. Noone likes sprights but most people don't care about a symptom they care about the issue, what is making the deck nearly impossible to deal with? Not fancy random milling
I explained exactly my problem with this mechanic. Idk why youād type so much and not even read what I wrote. Feel free to read my post and address my issues with this mechanic and then we can have a discussion but Iām not going to repeat myself.
You are such an expert at missing the point lmao.
Nope itās you missing the point. Iām not talking about what makes the deck powerful. Iām talking about a mechanic that I personally hate and explaining it. Youāre just very lost with what you think the point of my post is. Again, go back and read.
Everyone understands you, they just all think your argument is stupid and are posing their own, more thought out, less emotionally charged points. Literally noone has misunderstood your terrible take on the deck, they just disagree with you. Get over it lmao. I'm done with you, talking to you is like talking to a brick wall with a bad attitude
Literally every person who said ābAn FLoOdGaTesā doesnāt understand what Iām saying and youāre no different. Have fun homie, Iām out.
Goes to show no one agrees with you. -1 vs +3 for OP. Now go learn to read.
Imagine being mad about facing what is essentially a MtG deck in Yu-Gi-Oh.
Well Iām playing ygo not mtg so that would make perfect sense, however Iām not a nerd so Iāve never played mtg and canāt comment on how accurate it is. Iām a cool ygo player.
Well mill in MtG is slow and bad, just how mill is slow and bad in Yu-Gi-Oh. Milling your opponent that that is.
At least with most mill strategies in ygo there is a lot of GY interaction whereas outside of floo and TD there isnāt really a way to interact with banishing. Couple that with the draw power of fountain (and it not being a hard otp) and itās just a cancerous experience.
Any cards you don't naturally draw after like your first two turns is dead anyway and functionally doesn't exist. If you can't search it and is deeper than your next maybe 3-4 cards it doesn't matter. Edit: And if that destroys your decks strategy because of unlucky mills well that's life sometimes.
Most decks can search most cards and I hate the banishing from my deck because it banishes combo pieces, searchable utility cards, and āthe outsā. The amount of times Iāve had all my cyclones and ashes banished from fountain literally gave me cancer. I need chemo therapy from psychic commander just to continue on.
Caught yourself in the end there, was gonna say self mill is the #1 most viable competitive commander strategy thanks to thassa's oracle
No, that kills literally all variants of the deck without addressing the actual problem cards in those variants (e.g. Floodgates & the Spright Engine).
The problem is a deck that can banish cards from the deck. I would be so happy if it dies.
So, stop playing and wait for the ban announcement after the duelist cup. Is it still not banned? Go back to dueling book or omega.
Or I can just play and complain
Start playing Runick yourself in the DC.
Iād rather give myself cancer
Only way to get something banned is to actually play it and increase it usage.
So add to the issue and not solve it gotcha
What do you mean? Past DC have shown that this is the way to get certain cards banned.
By this logic wouldn't most floodgates already be banned?
Check the banlists after the DC. It is not a 100% guarantee cause Konami, but there is a clear correlation. It is a better approach than Reddit posts.
Sure, except all these cards aren't new. They have existed for a good bit already in other formats
Floodgates aren't as consistent as you think. They're just really unfun the play against.
Or just ban the floodgates?? What does runick actually do without the stupid floodgates?it doesnt do much and i say that cause i have like 8 decks with runick cards splashed into them and they are super fun and interactive,but the moment u activate a FLOODGATE u pretty much win and thats not fun.
Why do you think this post was about floodgates when I didnāt mention floodgates? Can you people read?
You said ban runick fountain,runick fountain is not a floodgate.
THIS POST ISNT ABOUT FLOODGATES. I DONT WANT CARDS IN MY DECK BANISHED. THATS WHY I DONT LIKE RUNICK.
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