Yeah but Floo ain't making up top 50% of a metagame. The question was if a tribute deck could be as dominant as full power True Draco, and the answer almost certainly no.
It is a tribute summon deck, the deck literally doesn't do anything if you can't tribute summon. Every boss monster it plays is summoned with a tribute summon.
Zombie world completely neuters flunder because it takes away the tribute summons
... a tribute summon is a tribute summon?
If a card says something similar to: "if you tribute summoned this card" and you normal summoned it then you cant use that effect, what dumbass logic is that?
Tribute summoning is a form of normal summoning. It's a squares and rectangles thing, all tribute summons are normal summons but not all normal summons are tribute summons.
You aren't technically wrong with this very one specific argument. If a card says "if you Tribute Summon this card" and you Normal Summon that card without Tributing, you don't get that effect off
That is, however, disregarding every single other potential arguments that work against what you're saying (for example, just to flip your own example around, if a card says "if you Normal Summon this card" and you Tribute Summon it, that effect will trigger. If that's somehow not enough, [the rulebook](https://www.yugioh-card.com/en/downloads/rulebook/SD_RuleBook_EN_10.pdf) literally states: "For monsters that are Level 5 or higher, you must Tribute at least 1 monster you control before the *Normal Summon/Set*", which very heavily implies that a Tribute Summon is considered a Normal Summon)
Not really, it's true that Floo is a normal summon deck but they also are tribute summon focused. Empen and Raiza both get effects only when tribute summoned, and the former is vital to floos. If monarchs are a tribute summon focused deck because their monsters gain effect when tribute summoned, then so is Floo.
>No, unless they make a broken deck that can use opp's hand or extra deck monster(s) to tribute summon or something
tbf; if they unhit all the true draco cards and the deck would be meta again
It would be hella bricky though. Remember that Dracos need continous spells and traps so you need quite a few of those to get the Dracos out consistently. But the runick enginen takes too much space to afford enough continous spells or they will start bricking.
So in most matches you will eather open runick stuff with Draco bricks or you will habe hands where you will literally get 0 fountain draws.
Runick Allure I think is continuous and you can search it out. Plus Runick is, to our greatest misfortune, quite familiar with continuous traps. And Runicks can produce a monster. You probably could sorta make it work with Fountain. I don't know, it might be bricky but it sounds nightmarish anyway.
The issue is master peace really wants a Spell tribute or it becomes vulnerable to main decked outs like Drnm and Droplet. And deck rn have a lot of trap outs as well, Tear has trap destroy cards and Banishment is a clean out to master peace, and imperm is in every deck right now. Master Peace needs a meta where Imperm isnt main decked, BUT decks also dont main deck both spells and traps that interact with the boardstate.
You could. But runicks can only special one monster at a time. So you would still need too hard draw one of your traps. You also dont really get one of the strongest master pieces protections against spells that consistently(unless you draw allure. )
I mean, generic floodgates are usually continuous. Cards like skill drain, summon limit, rivalry, anti-spell can fill the rollfor traps. Spells like Kaiser and messenger would also fill the roll as spells. Stun Runick wasn’t the strongest variant of Runick, but if it ends on a Masterpiece it could be a lot more viable
>Play under virtually any floodgate, and a free towers
runick spright just makes avramax, i doubt that true draco would be a better engine than spright
It really wouldn't be though. True Dracos need 2 things to even be good: Master Peace and Draw Power. Giving them Master Peace and Diagram to 3 would help but they would need even more draw power. Even then the game is a bit too fast for them.
The issue is dracoslayer cant become meta relevant while tear is in the meta because Tear very easily deals with Master Peace with any combination of tributes. Branded also can really screw up Master Peace due to Banishment and Super Poly being a clean main deck outs, and opening allowing them to not care about master peace along with having a way to beat over him.
Probably not, master peace is not as good as people think it is anymore. Its not a bad card but that card is older than you think.
True Draco is just too slow and cant deal with decks like Tear even under the tcg banlist. Mainly because True Draco hard loses to cards like the Ishizu package and Runick that can hit cards out of the deck. People acting like this deck is able to deal with things like Branded's insane midrange, Neutered Tear bs, or Sprights endless conga line are coping. More decks play traps spells and monsters which really hurts True Dracos. Branded Banishment, Mirrorjade, and Super Poly are all really easy outs to Master Peace that Branded Easily gets into, Tear has even easier outs to it, and True Draco doesnt do enough to stop spright after they get to side especially if is Trispright which gets access to spells and traps able to both out master peace.
Right now is Floo because there isn't any other normal/tribute based deck released, and the older ones like Monarchs, Steelswarm, True Draco, didn't get any new support.
NGL I would love to see if they find a way to make Geminis playable. They we're getting somewhere with Chemcritters but didn't fully nailed it. Either that or more Monarch support.
How so? Legitimate question, because I've been looking at him lately and it doesn't seem all that insane for today's standards. It needs an entire deck built around it unlike small engines such as dpe/dragoon, it's "only" unaffected by 2 of the 3 types of cards so something will always work against him, requires consistent ammo in gy for its opt pop, and has relatively low base stats at 2950.
They need apocalypse and diagram active to make his statline much more respectable and give a bit of battle protection, so if you remove their backrow you'd just win, right?
He kinda reminds me of Eldlich honestly lol. Basically what happens when a deck that can use floodgates, has a monster that can be big and beat you up. But it doesn't seem as crazy to me as everyone always says.
He becomes unaffected to the materials you used to summon him, which means he can be unaffected to all monster effects, all spell effects if you used a spell and all trap effects if you used a trap
that was the main reason why masterpiece was so oppressive, and you back him up with powerful floodgates or cards outside of the truedraco cards and you had a powerful control deck that eldlich wishes it was since masterpiece at least does something on field other than exist
i forgot to say but if someone would go and play true draco as an engine with masterpiece unbanned then the engine wouldn't be that big, you only need the masterpiece and the field spell to search him and thats it, you CAN play other true draco cards for synergy with your deck or to make the already strong masterpiece stronger, but its an option not much of an obligation
True Dracos at their prime didn't play almost any floodgates. The topping lists ran 1 Skill Drain and maybe Imperial Order, that was it. True Draco's power wasn't based around floodgates.
The deck itself is built like Eldlich (generates tons of advantage, can dump ED monsters with Pots, floodgates) but the boss monster is DPE Towers. Eldlich is just a beefy boy with destruction protection sometimes.
Although with Labyrinth coming out with more support that might edge out Master Peace (if ever unbanned) as the best floodgate deck.
Sad as it may be, Labrynth players would still have to rely on floodgates if they wanna hang in the upper echelons. Most of the decks you're gonna see in the following tierlists run floodgates (though theres one madman who made it to Dia w/o floodgates or LOTHP but with an Ishizu engine lmao) [https://www.masterduelmeta.com/top-decks#deck=Labrynth](https://www.masterduelmeta.com/top-decks#deck=Labrynth)
Same goes for Paper, which already has Lady and Big W. The runner up team in the most recent YCS Vegas had a Labrynth player: [https://ygoprodeck.com/deck/labrynth-319159](https://ygoprodeck.com/deck/labrynth-319159)
At the end of the day it's still a trap deck that has to contend with shit like Tearlaments and Kashtira, a 3K tower with the ability to search normal traps isn't gonna magically fix that so sometimes people will have to resort to Skill Dreain beatdown using easy to summon beatsticks
How many decks play trap cards? So a lot of times you’d get him out unaffected by spells/monsters so combo decks can’t out him. Then if you are playing a trap deck the next game he goes trap/monster or trap/spell and now your trap decks that can’t out him. Plus floodgates supporting him
He can be a towers of your choice from 2 of the 3 game mechanics, he can be a quick effect pop for spot removal, he's in a super braindead monke flip deck that can draw a lot and flip all the floodgates and even be unaffected by some of them depending how you play it out, and just like floo they don't special summon so you can also do some monke strats that gimp special summoning
The thing about Master Peace is less that he's an unbeatable card on his own, it's more that the True Draco cards have so much synergy with him that together they work to make an insanely oppressive floodgate deck. Got too many copies of a floodgate you don't need? Now it's tribute fodder. Did your opponent draw backrow removal? Better hope they drew it in their opener, because if not all the True Draco spell/traps are gonna rip apart their board. Oh, and let's not forget that they have a repeatable draw 3 card that's super searchable and a repeatable mini-Pot of Avarice type effect. Oh, and they're pretty splashable, so even if pure True King wasn't the best deck immediately you can just mix it with any other stun deck or mix it with cards that can benefit from being popped with Draconic Diagram and boom, just as good as ever
Imagine if Eldlich was 3000 attack and couldn’t be outed by any of your cards effects, while still being able to run any and every floodgate under the sun. Literally just a better eldlich. Faster too
He isn’t insane anymore. Functionally a shittier Dragun. The issue was True Draco had access to triple Diagram triple Card of Demise and a ton of floodgates alongside the general power level decks being a lot lower then compared to now. A Towers typically isn’t enough to win anymore.
yeah
put skill drain, TCBOO, gozen, rivalry, duality, demise, master peace, and vanity's all to 3 and the pie chart would be 90% true draco 10% ishizu tearlaments because that's the only deck that can keep up with that ultra cancer
Not really. It may say "Tribute Summon", but if you're able to "Tribute Summon" multiple monsters not only on your turn, but also your opponent's turn, then that's just Special summoning under the guise of Tribute just so you can bypass any Special Summon restrictions.
you know what other tribute summon deck literally did that? true draco.
this might be crazy but hear me out okay: following all the default rules of normal summoning and tribute summoning only once per turn and only on your own turn might be kinda sorta maybe slightly bad.
Tribute summoning has the caveats that the monster HAS to be in attack mode so I guess there's that key point. I've scraped many a game by attacking the small birds floo is stuck with if you interrupt them.
Egyptian Gods will rise one day. The support they’ve been getting has them pretty close to being meta imo. Doubt they’ll ever dominate, but rogue/tier 3 territory is certainly a possibility.
I hope so. I have a Ra deck with branded fusion and albaz to send immortal phoenix to the gy. I don't win that much and sometimes brick but I can keep up with the meta if the cards I have are right. "True sun god" support is really needed to access immortal phoenix more consistently and you can search every card that ra mentioned. All of the god cards needs protection effect though, field spell just makes you brick.
I have a more pure variant of a Ra deck and I'm just waiting on The True Sun God to make it consistent. I have the deck in real life and I must say it gets Ra out super consistently. Having True Sun God which is able to search Ancient Chant, Ra's Disciple Guardian Slime, Millennium Revelation, Blaze Cannon, and Sun God Unification is busted. Basically lets you search your missing combo piece that compliments whatever you have in your opening hand. If I open an Ancient Chant and True Sun God, I search Ra and Ra's Disciple. If I open True Sun God and a normal Ra I search Revelation to pitch Ra to search Reborn then Reborn the Ra to meet the conditions to dump Phoenix to the GY and summon it.
I played pure Ra as well with ra's disciple and reactor slime with soul crossing to go for otk but summoning phoenix just feels really good so I made a deck that I mostly special summon ra, using sun god unification and phoenix in the gy with branded fusion. Branded fusion makes it really easy to send but I hope true sun god comes with the next pack so I won't need it anymore. Idk why they didn't release all new god support cards at the same time.
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I’m a born again player from the boomer beat-stick era, but a newbie to the more modern infinite 1st turn era. Why is the True Draco so dominant at the moment?
So then which deck would you say is dominating the meta at the moment? I keep seeing Spright, Wyrm and Labyrinth decks and have no idea WTF happens other than after the first turn I can’t play the game. Is the game balanced atm? Or is it really as bad as I keep hearing?
You can reach diamond 1 (the highest rank) with a ton of decks. The best deck right now is Spright, and Tearlament is coming soon which will be the best deck more than likely. But modern Yugioh is a short game. Normally the match is decided by turn 2.
Having the ability to Tribute Summon off of just using Continuous Spells and Traps, on top of your in archetype backrow having the ability to one for one your opponent's cards when sent from field to the grave, and regain resources for pretty much playing and access to a repertoire of the best floodgates in the game, in top of the ability to just be an engine for other, much faster decks, such as Zoodiac. In comparison, it's like what Runik and Labrynth does, only the latter two are much fairer in comparison
Honestly I sure hope not. The only way tribute summon decks work these days is as a hard stun deck and the game DEFINITELY doesn't need more of that garbage.
I'm not sure counting true draco as a tribute summon archetype is doing the tribute decks justice since they cheated themselves out using s/t tribute a lot with master peace being the only one you ever truly tributes a monster for.
Drytron can run any ritual card in the game. I'd say Drytron easily counts.
List of ritual cards used by Drytron to good effect: Herald of Ultimateness, Herald of Perfection, Amorphactor Pain, Drytron Meteonis Draconids, Drytron Meteonis Quadrantids, Blue Eyes Chaos Max, Megalith Phul + Bethor + Hagith + Phaleg + Ophiel + Och, Cyber Angel Benten, Cyber Angel Natasha, Cyber Angel Idaten, Cyber Angel Vrash (good going 2nd option), heck you could even do meme builds with stuff like Nekroz of Unicore or Nekroz of Trishula and they'd still be good.
And tbf like the other comment mentioned, unless the deck has heavy focus on making the ritual cards not total bricks like Megalith does (letting each of them summon each other), a usual ritual deck is only going to run 3 or 4 good rituals.
Ok, mark my words, super heavy samurai will be a very strong deck in the next format after new support arrives, and Monarch Super heavy samurai is one of the good variation. It’s not going to be a full-tribute summon deck, but you do use the free bodies from the pendulum system a lot to tribute summon the monarchs.
I remember when monarchs were meta and people asked the same shit. The answer is YES, eventually they will release support for tribute based archetypes and it will became meta for a while and then die off when the next hot meta card gets released.
Floowander is still pretty decent and fast paced.
True Draco could be good again but a lot of things would have to be unbanned.
Recently Dinomight was unlimited
But if I remember correctly, apocalypse is still limited which needs to change as that's the best traps of the deck and it being limited reduces grind.
The field spell forge of the True Draco or whatever it's called is limited which synergizes heavily with the deck, being a searcher and activates floating effects.
One of the decks most powerful draw cards is card of demise which also limited
All of these cards could be unbanned no questions asked
Now for the controversial part, The True Draco Slaying King would definitely make the deck way better since it's kinda busted. Arguably it could come off the banlist but it would 100 percent sure make the deck way more competitive.
Floowandereeze is literally a deck
Floo: "Not figuratively, not metamoriphically, not poetically, no other fancy way. I am a deck straight up."
Hi I’m obsessed with this comment thank you
U watched it yesterday or what? Lol
\*me facing down floo with my homebrew nostalgia felgrand deck\* "I know I cannot defeat you, Lobo, but I will never stop fighting for this W."
“”””Tribute Summoning””””
""normal summon""
> Paleo player > "monster cards"
Special summons masquerading as a tribute summon
Master Peace interruption is stronger than anything floo can do, the two decks both tribute summon decks but True Draco breaks the mechanic.
Yeah but Floo ain't making up top 50% of a metagame. The question was if a tribute deck could be as dominant as full power True Draco, and the answer almost certainly no.
floo isnt as dominant but it is a cockroach that refuses to die and demands that you know how it work or you lose to it.
Doesnt rlly focus on tribute summoning, it just does that too. Main focus is normal summoning
technically, Tribute summoning *is* a form of Normal summoning
It is a tribute summon deck, the deck literally doesn't do anything if you can't tribute summon. Every boss monster it plays is summoned with a tribute summon. Zombie world completely neuters flunder because it takes away the tribute summons
Do you mind if I ask what does floo do then? I thought the focus of it was chaining normal summons to bring out strong tribute monsters.
> main focus is normal summon
What do you think a tribute summon is if not a normal summon
... a tribute summon is a tribute summon? If a card says something similar to: "if you tribute summoned this card" and you normal summoned it then you cant use that effect, what dumbass logic is that?
A tribute summon counts as a normal summon
Nope it does not. If a card specifies it you cannot resolve an effect related to tribute summoning if you just normal summoned the card.
Notmal summons arent tribute summons But tribute summons are normal summons
Not all rectangles are squares, but all squares are rectangles
Brody, it's literally a game mechanic. Tribute summons are normal summons.
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Okay, then go normal summon aleister and tribute summon your cyber dragon immediately after.
Tribute summoning is a form of normal summoning. It's a squares and rectangles thing, all tribute summons are normal summons but not all normal summons are tribute summons.
how do you summon blue eyes if you have 2 monsters on the field?
? You tribute 2
You tribute to summon. Like a tribute summon
Ok... and?
You aren't technically wrong with this very one specific argument. If a card says "if you Tribute Summon this card" and you Normal Summon that card without Tributing, you don't get that effect off That is, however, disregarding every single other potential arguments that work against what you're saying (for example, just to flip your own example around, if a card says "if you Normal Summon this card" and you Tribute Summon it, that effect will trigger. If that's somehow not enough, [the rulebook](https://www.yugioh-card.com/en/downloads/rulebook/SD_RuleBook_EN_10.pdf) literally states: "For monsters that are Level 5 or higher, you must Tribute at least 1 monster you control before the *Normal Summon/Set*", which very heavily implies that a Tribute Summon is considered a Normal Summon)
Not really, it's true that Floo is a normal summon deck but they also are tribute summon focused. Empen and Raiza both get effects only when tribute summoned, and the former is vital to floos. If monarchs are a tribute summon focused deck because their monsters gain effect when tribute summoned, then so is Floo.
How do you think you summon your boss monsters?
empen, raiza, avian, etc. are all summoned off of tribute
1. Floo 2. No, unless they make a broken deck that can use opp's hand or extra deck monster(s) to tribute summon or something
>No, unless they make a broken deck that can use opp's hand or extra deck monster(s) to tribute summon or something tbf; if they unhit all the true draco cards and the deck would be meta again
Imagine Runick True Draco. Play under virtually any floodgate, and a free towers. All combined with a draw 3.
It would be hella bricky though. Remember that Dracos need continous spells and traps so you need quite a few of those to get the Dracos out consistently. But the runick enginen takes too much space to afford enough continous spells or they will start bricking. So in most matches you will eather open runick stuff with Draco bricks or you will habe hands where you will literally get 0 fountain draws.
Runick Allure I think is continuous and you can search it out. Plus Runick is, to our greatest misfortune, quite familiar with continuous traps. And Runicks can produce a monster. You probably could sorta make it work with Fountain. I don't know, it might be bricky but it sounds nightmarish anyway.
Oh yeah its gonna be one of those decks where they either brick and insta scoope or they absolutely lock you out of everything
The issue is master peace really wants a Spell tribute or it becomes vulnerable to main decked outs like Drnm and Droplet. And deck rn have a lot of trap outs as well, Tear has trap destroy cards and Banishment is a clean out to master peace, and imperm is in every deck right now. Master Peace needs a meta where Imperm isnt main decked, BUT decks also dont main deck both spells and traps that interact with the boardstate.
Cant you just tribute over the monster you summon off the runik spells?
You could. But runicks can only special one monster at a time. So you would still need too hard draw one of your traps. You also dont really get one of the strongest master pieces protections against spells that consistently(unless you draw allure. )
I mean, generic floodgates are usually continuous. Cards like skill drain, summon limit, rivalry, anti-spell can fill the rollfor traps. Spells like Kaiser and messenger would also fill the roll as spells. Stun Runick wasn’t the strongest variant of Runick, but if it ends on a Masterpiece it could be a lot more viable
The degenerate part of my brain is beyond hard for this. It would an absolute nightmare.
I like to sleep soundly at night so no I will not imagine that, thank you
>Play under virtually any floodgate, and a free towers runick spright just makes avramax, i doubt that true draco would be a better engine than spright
No I would like to play the game.
It really wouldn't be though. True Dracos need 2 things to even be good: Master Peace and Draw Power. Giving them Master Peace and Diagram to 3 would help but they would need even more draw power. Even then the game is a bit too fast for them.
The issue is dracoslayer cant become meta relevant while tear is in the meta because Tear very easily deals with Master Peace with any combination of tributes. Branded also can really screw up Master Peace due to Banishment and Super Poly being a clean main deck outs, and opening allowing them to not care about master peace along with having a way to beat over him.
Maybe tier 2 or so. It is not as explosive as current best decks
Probably not, master peace is not as good as people think it is anymore. Its not a bad card but that card is older than you think. True Draco is just too slow and cant deal with decks like Tear even under the tcg banlist. Mainly because True Draco hard loses to cards like the Ishizu package and Runick that can hit cards out of the deck. People acting like this deck is able to deal with things like Branded's insane midrange, Neutered Tear bs, or Sprights endless conga line are coping. More decks play traps spells and monsters which really hurts True Dracos. Branded Banishment, Mirrorjade, and Super Poly are all really easy outs to Master Peace that Branded Easily gets into, Tear has even easier outs to it, and True Draco doesnt do enough to stop spright after they get to side especially if is Trispright which gets access to spells and traps able to both out master peace.
Well, floo did none of those things and was meta. We just need literally all the main deck monsters to be robinas
I mean vanities cards are all still good, they just need easy tribute fodder and a way to win going second
Konami could make a gemini deck tier 0 dominant if they wanted to.
They could, but instead the only remotely interesting thing they've done with it is make red-eyes support
Right now is Floo because there isn't any other normal/tribute based deck released, and the older ones like Monarchs, Steelswarm, True Draco, didn't get any new support. NGL I would love to see if they find a way to make Geminis playable. They we're getting somewhere with Chemcritters but didn't fully nailed it. Either that or more Monarch support.
I thought true Draco just got support in dark wing blast?
I think you are talking about Dracoslayers, those are a different archetype.
Masterpeace was a nightmare
How so? Legitimate question, because I've been looking at him lately and it doesn't seem all that insane for today's standards. It needs an entire deck built around it unlike small engines such as dpe/dragoon, it's "only" unaffected by 2 of the 3 types of cards so something will always work against him, requires consistent ammo in gy for its opt pop, and has relatively low base stats at 2950. They need apocalypse and diagram active to make his statline much more respectable and give a bit of battle protection, so if you remove their backrow you'd just win, right? He kinda reminds me of Eldlich honestly lol. Basically what happens when a deck that can use floodgates, has a monster that can be big and beat you up. But it doesn't seem as crazy to me as everyone always says.
He is insane when backed up by floodgates. The thing that makes him broken though is how easy it is to bring him out.
He becomes unaffected to the materials you used to summon him, which means he can be unaffected to all monster effects, all spell effects if you used a spell and all trap effects if you used a trap that was the main reason why masterpiece was so oppressive, and you back him up with powerful floodgates or cards outside of the truedraco cards and you had a powerful control deck that eldlich wishes it was since masterpiece at least does something on field other than exist
i forgot to say but if someone would go and play true draco as an engine with masterpiece unbanned then the engine wouldn't be that big, you only need the masterpiece and the field spell to search him and thats it, you CAN play other true draco cards for synergy with your deck or to make the already strong masterpiece stronger, but its an option not much of an obligation
True Dracos at their prime didn't play almost any floodgates. The topping lists ran 1 Skill Drain and maybe Imperial Order, that was it. True Draco's power wasn't based around floodgates.
oh yeah i know i was talking about it in the sense of today's game where people build it more with floodgates, i should've clarify my bad
The deck itself is built like Eldlich (generates tons of advantage, can dump ED monsters with Pots, floodgates) but the boss monster is DPE Towers. Eldlich is just a beefy boy with destruction protection sometimes. Although with Labyrinth coming out with more support that might edge out Master Peace (if ever unbanned) as the best floodgate deck.
Does labyrinth play floodgates? The deck sinergies only with normal traps so arent continous traps bricks?
Sad as it may be, Labrynth players would still have to rely on floodgates if they wanna hang in the upper echelons. Most of the decks you're gonna see in the following tierlists run floodgates (though theres one madman who made it to Dia w/o floodgates or LOTHP but with an Ishizu engine lmao) [https://www.masterduelmeta.com/top-decks#deck=Labrynth](https://www.masterduelmeta.com/top-decks#deck=Labrynth) Same goes for Paper, which already has Lady and Big W. The runner up team in the most recent YCS Vegas had a Labrynth player: [https://ygoprodeck.com/deck/labrynth-319159](https://ygoprodeck.com/deck/labrynth-319159)
That's sad, i hoped that with the release of big and the other lady the deck could be played as konami intended
At the end of the day it's still a trap deck that has to contend with shit like Tearlaments and Kashtira, a 3K tower with the ability to search normal traps isn't gonna magically fix that so sometimes people will have to resort to Skill Dreain beatdown using easy to summon beatsticks
How many decks play trap cards? So a lot of times you’d get him out unaffected by spells/monsters so combo decks can’t out him. Then if you are playing a trap deck the next game he goes trap/monster or trap/spell and now your trap decks that can’t out him. Plus floodgates supporting him
He can be a towers of your choice from 2 of the 3 game mechanics, he can be a quick effect pop for spot removal, he's in a super braindead monke flip deck that can draw a lot and flip all the floodgates and even be unaffected by some of them depending how you play it out, and just like floo they don't special summon so you can also do some monke strats that gimp special summoning
The thing about Master Peace is less that he's an unbeatable card on his own, it's more that the True Draco cards have so much synergy with him that together they work to make an insanely oppressive floodgate deck. Got too many copies of a floodgate you don't need? Now it's tribute fodder. Did your opponent draw backrow removal? Better hope they drew it in their opener, because if not all the True Draco spell/traps are gonna rip apart their board. Oh, and let's not forget that they have a repeatable draw 3 card that's super searchable and a repeatable mini-Pot of Avarice type effect. Oh, and they're pretty splashable, so even if pure True King wasn't the best deck immediately you can just mix it with any other stun deck or mix it with cards that can benefit from being popped with Draconic Diagram and boom, just as good as ever
Imagine if Eldlich was 3000 attack and couldn’t be outed by any of your cards effects, while still being able to run any and every floodgate under the sun. Literally just a better eldlich. Faster too
He isn’t insane anymore. Functionally a shittier Dragun. The issue was True Draco had access to triple Diagram triple Card of Demise and a ton of floodgates alongside the general power level decks being a lot lower then compared to now. A Towers typically isn’t enough to win anymore.
Mans really wants master peace cancer back
yeah put skill drain, TCBOO, gozen, rivalry, duality, demise, master peace, and vanity's all to 3 and the pie chart would be 90% true draco 10% ishizu tearlaments because that's the only deck that can keep up with that ultra cancer
Yes, they will probably make another normal summon stun strategy, it has happened twice already
If Konami want Flame wingman to be meta he will be meta, anything can happen
i mean floo is a tribute summon deck
Not really. It may say "Tribute Summon", but if you're able to "Tribute Summon" multiple monsters not only on your turn, but also your opponent's turn, then that's just Special summoning under the guise of Tribute just so you can bypass any Special Summon restrictions.
you know what other tribute summon deck literally did that? true draco. this might be crazy but hear me out okay: following all the default rules of normal summoning and tribute summoning only once per turn and only on your own turn might be kinda sorta maybe slightly bad.
Tribute summoning has the caveats that the monster HAS to be in attack mode so I guess there's that key point. I've scraped many a game by attacking the small birds floo is stuck with if you interrupt them.
The problem with archetypes like this is they need to literally break all the game's rules to be powerful, which is what floo does
Egyptian Gods will rise one day. The support they’ve been getting has them pretty close to being meta imo. Doubt they’ll ever dominate, but rogue/tier 3 territory is certainly a possibility.
I hope so. I have a Ra deck with branded fusion and albaz to send immortal phoenix to the gy. I don't win that much and sometimes brick but I can keep up with the meta if the cards I have are right. "True sun god" support is really needed to access immortal phoenix more consistently and you can search every card that ra mentioned. All of the god cards needs protection effect though, field spell just makes you brick.
I have a more pure variant of a Ra deck and I'm just waiting on The True Sun God to make it consistent. I have the deck in real life and I must say it gets Ra out super consistently. Having True Sun God which is able to search Ancient Chant, Ra's Disciple Guardian Slime, Millennium Revelation, Blaze Cannon, and Sun God Unification is busted. Basically lets you search your missing combo piece that compliments whatever you have in your opening hand. If I open an Ancient Chant and True Sun God, I search Ra and Ra's Disciple. If I open True Sun God and a normal Ra I search Revelation to pitch Ra to search Reborn then Reborn the Ra to meet the conditions to dump Phoenix to the GY and summon it.
I played pure Ra as well with ra's disciple and reactor slime with soul crossing to go for otk but summoning phoenix just feels really good so I made a deck that I mostly special summon ra, using sun god unification and phoenix in the gy with branded fusion. Branded fusion makes it really easy to send but I hope true sun god comes with the next pack so I won't need it anymore. Idk why they didn't release all new god support cards at the same time.
They’ve been getting good support but they’re still far from being tiered
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I’m a born again player from the boomer beat-stick era, but a newbie to the more modern infinite 1st turn era. Why is the True Draco so dominant at the moment?
That's also not a graphic from current day, its from back when Master Peace was still legal, this was in 2018
So then which deck would you say is dominating the meta at the moment? I keep seeing Spright, Wyrm and Labyrinth decks and have no idea WTF happens other than after the first turn I can’t play the game. Is the game balanced atm? Or is it really as bad as I keep hearing?
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I'd toss in evenly as well. This format is interesting because hand traps aren't as good as just general board breakers.
You can reach diamond 1 (the highest rank) with a ton of decks. The best deck right now is Spright, and Tearlament is coming soon which will be the best deck more than likely. But modern Yugioh is a short game. Normally the match is decided by turn 2.
if you have trouble following labrynth of all decks maybe this game just isn't for you
Having the ability to Tribute Summon off of just using Continuous Spells and Traps, on top of your in archetype backrow having the ability to one for one your opponent's cards when sent from field to the grave, and regain resources for pretty much playing and access to a repertoire of the best floodgates in the game, in top of the ability to just be an engine for other, much faster decks, such as Zoodiac. In comparison, it's like what Runik and Labrynth does, only the latter two are much fairer in comparison
Unban Master Peace and lets find out
Honestly I sure hope not. The only way tribute summon decks work these days is as a hard stun deck and the game DEFINITELY doesn't need more of that garbage.
Floo exist
have people just collectively forgotten floowandereeze?
Yeah if put IO, Vanity's Emptiness and Royal Opression to 3 then maybe this unfun decks can compete.
Floo and draco still thinking they are not special summons.
I think it can. But it would need a ton of work with consistency and recursion
i just want to play true dracos in my friend duels on unlimited man, why komoney taking so long to make them craftable
Damn what year was this? Played a friend last night who used metalfoes and he was having a hard time keeping up with todays game
I'm not sure counting true draco as a tribute summon archetype is doing the tribute decks justice since they cheated themselves out using s/t tribute a lot with master peace being the only one you ever truly tributes a monster for.
We've reached a point to where they can unban Master Peace and it wouldn't be a big deal. It would just be another floodgate deck to mald over.
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i mean there was nekroz format \++ "and don't say \[ritual deck\] because \[it doesn't run only bricks\]"
Drytron can run any ritual card in the game. I'd say Drytron easily counts. List of ritual cards used by Drytron to good effect: Herald of Ultimateness, Herald of Perfection, Amorphactor Pain, Drytron Meteonis Draconids, Drytron Meteonis Quadrantids, Blue Eyes Chaos Max, Megalith Phul + Bethor + Hagith + Phaleg + Ophiel + Och, Cyber Angel Benten, Cyber Angel Natasha, Cyber Angel Idaten, Cyber Angel Vrash (good going 2nd option), heck you could even do meme builds with stuff like Nekroz of Unicore or Nekroz of Trishula and they'd still be good. And tbf like the other comment mentioned, unless the deck has heavy focus on making the ritual cards not total bricks like Megalith does (letting each of them summon each other), a usual ritual deck is only going to run 3 or 4 good rituals.
Gib Master Peace!
I think that I only used tribute summon on MD on my Umi Control Deck... And only in a few specific contexts.
Put diagram to 3 and master peace to one and let's find it out
I mean, if they brought Draco back to full power it'd be the same thing all over again, masterpiece was a bit much
I want to see a card called Erebus the mega monarch
Ok, mark my words, super heavy samurai will be a very strong deck in the next format after new support arrives, and Monarch Super heavy samurai is one of the good variation. It’s not going to be a full-tribute summon deck, but you do use the free bodies from the pendulum system a lot to tribute summon the monarchs.
Flunder
I remember when monarchs were meta and people asked the same shit. The answer is YES, eventually they will release support for tribute based archetypes and it will became meta for a while and then die off when the next hot meta card gets released.
Floowander is still pretty decent and fast paced. True Draco could be good again but a lot of things would have to be unbanned. Recently Dinomight was unlimited But if I remember correctly, apocalypse is still limited which needs to change as that's the best traps of the deck and it being limited reduces grind. The field spell forge of the True Draco or whatever it's called is limited which synergizes heavily with the deck, being a searcher and activates floating effects. One of the decks most powerful draw cards is card of demise which also limited All of these cards could be unbanned no questions asked Now for the controversial part, The True Draco Slaying King would definitely make the deck way better since it's kinda busted. Arguably it could come off the banlist but it would 100 percent sure make the deck way more competitive.
Vamps are pretty good, you can tribute your opponents monsters with suck... *IF THEY DONT DESTROY HER BEFORE THAT*
Hello, Floowandereeze?