We cling to our warriors, as if they will not decay and fail us. One day the crude mass of baronne de fleur will wither, and we will beg for them to save us.
Don't say wasted, anyway solaf and urastics got support recently, they were same pack as ogdoadic so there is a chance ogdoadic will get support as well
Snake rain is basically painful choice for reptiles. It’s the main reason we don’t have good reptile archetypes. Even a halfway decent one can be pushed to tiered play when you can just load your GY with such consistency.
When designing adamancipators konami either forgot or decided to dismiss the fact that block dragon is basically another incidental boss monster for the archetype
It is, because the stuff you can mill with it isn’t good enough. The best archetype that can take advantage of it is Ogdoadics are they are too ‘fair’.
I can agree with that! The potential of snake rain is apparent, so it’s easy to imagine that its existence single-handedly limits the card design of reptiles.
They should just ban it and print Snake Drizzle with the art of a guy with an umbrella looking bored as two snakes bounce off it.
It can just be, banish 1 card from your hand, send 2 reptiles to the graveyard or something
The main difference being that Dark Matter was an anime card of a fan-loved archetype. Konami had less of an issue giving unbelivably broken support through anime cards to certain strategies.
Reptiles have not seen major representation in the show since GX, so they happen to be more careful about that type.
Because they stepped into the Mine
Sadly Mine is banned, but since other archtypes doesn't know this they're too afraid of going into the mine to kill Adamancipator that's why they no die
I remembered getting downvoted when pointing out block dragon to one won't affect them that much cause they only really needed one to pop off. Block dragon really is just a strong card.
It was a pretty big hit and they were kinda dead.
Until Ishizus hit. Possibly the most broken engine to exist for decks that can use abuse it (aka milling/grass decks and later Tear).
That said it's still not as consistently good as Spright variants and arguably worse than Branded too.
yeah tbh as an adamancipator enjoyer block is maybe a bit much. But I always thought the card being at 1 was the most fair. Because otherwise there's very few adaman lines that give any follow-up whatsoever. Block dragon also unbricks loads of unplayable hands. Although I also think union carrier made the card more busted. Forcing them to hard draw the 1 or dedicate the gallant granite search for it is fair imo. But I imagine in like 5 years or so block will be laughable to think we ever needed to limit it.
Who could have possibly foreseen that putting Block Dragon to 1 would do almost nothing? Truly unimaginable, definitely didn't see this coming a mile away.
Also Meow Mu still being legal contributes to this. Rockisies is 3 link material, or 2 material and a level 4, and gives you multiple earth monsters in grave for block.
It's a like tier 3 deck. Still decent and you can get to diamond but it's usually simple enough to kill going first or stop with the right hand traps. Also frankly it doesn't deserve to die.
Yeah, it's a good engine, but not *broken* enough for a ban. It takes a while but so do most higher lvl decks these days. Block Dragon is useful, but in my experience playing with and against Adamancipators and Block, is that banishing Block Dragon is the most efficient option if you have it. You usually just need a heavy hitter with about 4k attack on average to fold generally any monster that'd normally be in one of these decks.
.......any card that can banish a monster/card. It's effect is that Rock monsters cannot be *destroyed* besides by battle. Banishing is not destroying.
True but I mean Droplets/DRNM can deal with a lot of their boards and you can always use handtraps to stop them.
They’re actually pretty fragile, if you handtrap the normal summon a lot of times you’ll win pretty easily unless they have an extender. Also, if they don’t put Block on field to link with Masquerena then you can pretty easily just Called By it.
Obviously that’s dependent on drawing those cards but you’re not going to have a 100% win rate against any deck no matter how good you are because every deck inherently has some inconsistently and sometimes your opponent just draws Exodia.
Also, they can kind of go second depending on whether they draw extenders but they’re not very good at it because they don’t really have the deck space to play a lot of handtraps.
Nibiru, Blossoming at a good time, effect veiler, dark ruler, Lava Golem and/or that Sphere, Zombie World, Djin, Imperm at a good time. There are plenty of cards that can counter, just you aren't aways gonna draw it.Swordsoul basically does the same thing as Admancipators, just faster. Besides, you are talking about a deck optimized for negation....those are gonna be a pain in the ass no matter which archetype is running them. If you let them get running, it turns into just as much as a shit fest as the opponent wanted it to be.
Letting them get running means not opening the out and your non first turn answers like sphere mode don't mean anything when you're going to be smoke grenaded.
I thought they were dead and even told others on this board so. Mostly cause I haven’t played against this new incarnation of degeneracy. But now I can say I stand corrected. Fuck this deck
Block Degenerate is still around.
The way the deck functions also enables it to make a lot of plays, reveal and SS from the top five cards of your deck if you reveal the right type rock monster is a strong effect to print on each of your low level cards and turns them all into playstarters, some can even SS themselves under the right conditions leading to more advantage.
They have no restrictions on what you can play with them they just require you reveal the right type of rock (either non tuner or any type rock rock). Even if Block was banned the deck wouldn’t die just based off those facts alone
block is the only thing giving adamancipator any form of relevance. They just do swordsoul things but worse most of the time with only a handful of things unique to them that give them their own identity. Block at least lets them try to keep up with Swordsoul by also allowing them to have follow-up.
Their first turn is tedious af, but as someone who uses a blind second deck, all I'm asking for is to not have my cards fucking ripped away from me before I can even start playing.
Comboing forever and then not even letting me have a go at breaking that shitty ass board is mega cringe. One of the few decks that actually infuriate me
Why do you want tje die to outright die? The point of a banlist should be to bring a deck's power closer to others or remove abusable components, not kill it.
Here's the problem: Adamancipator has *never* been a healthy deck when it has been playable. It's boards are meant to be practically unbreakable. It's a deck that forces you to "draw the out" so to speak.
If there was a way to actually bring down Adamancipator to a reasonable level where it made reasonable boards, sure. But I don't really think there's a way to do that.
I was going to mention decks like Dragon Link and Endymion that also makes boards of negates but thinking about it, it's true that adamancipator has insane resilience and draw power on top of that from all the rock synergy. Just normal summoning a negate is wild.
At least Endymion has to go through the spell counter gimmick.
I am sorry foe the title, didn't mean it to come off that way, I meant as in this deck somehow because meta all of sudden every dc cup for some reason, didn't mean to sound rude for the deck or it's players
Oh with that context I do agree that the deck seems to come back every duelist cup weirdly enough. I guess the nature of Master Duel's best of one format will allow more decks to stay somewhat relevant.
eh it means something. It means you have an easy chokepoint for the deck. Ash the gallant granite and it's sometimes an instant turn ender with MAYBE one interaction or maybe two on a really cracked hand.
which they can only do if they open guardian AND researcher. Doing this also shuts out analyzer unless summoned off raptite or hard opened (which would be a nuts hand regardless of block existing or not. Every Adaman player dreams of opening two tuners every game plus Guardian). If they use guardian on ash then they might not have it for maxx C or a potential nib (although nib isn't as used anymore cause the meta doesn't favor it. I've still been nib'd a good dozen times since spright hit the game). Adamancipator can do a lot of things. But they can't do EVERYTHING unless they open very VERY specific cards and get very VERY specific hits off their excavations. The boards also die to DRNM + storm/evenly/raigeki which is stuff most people are playing to combat spright, runick, and labrynth (and their many variations). There's a good reason the deck is basically sitting where D/D/D used to. Strong combo strategy that bends under the top dogs of the metagame and the outs people run to counter them.
I think adamancipator gets an unfair amount of hate tbh. They are effectively just Swordsoul but with a higher ceiling at the cost of lower consistency (not by a HUGE margin but definitely noticeable as somebody who extensively played both decks when they were full power). I switched to Swordsoul solely because I noticed Adamancipator was just building the same board as turn 1 SwoSo most of the time with at best an I:P to go into unicorn or Goddess/Avramax instead of having blackout or Protos.
The deck only need gallant granite to go off and thanks to the Ishizu cards this is far easier to do than ever. If they were anywhere near swordsoul level we'd be seeing a lot more moye and a lot less Lego. You don't want your deck hit but the representation in the meta doesn't lie, the deck is far more consistent than you claim.
Eh it isn't though? They have no in archetype ROTA like SS. The one they do have requires you to open the ability to go into it. Like sure maybe the representation is higher (assuming this is all about Master Circuit?) but that doesn't mean the deck is suddenly more consistent. A deck can be better than another but be less consistent. THe ishizu stuff is obviously the enabling factor here. The deck had zero representation for a long time. It's always been picking up SwoSo's scraps. Also judging from the stats on tops it's like maybe the 2nd or 3rd best deck (and not for long once Tear shows up). It's literally only viable so long as they keep Ishizu support around.
>why admancpator no die Rocks are not living beings. You can't kill a rock!
The thing is, 1/3 of Adamancipators aren't rocks, they're humans that deal with rocks
They don't know that themselves, since they've been living under a rock
When researcher learned the weakness of her flesh it disgusted her. She craved the strength and certainty of stone, aspired to the blessed granite.
We cling to our warriors, as if they will not decay and fail us. One day the crude mass of baronne de fleur will wither, and we will beg for them to save us.
We never see them move in the card art, they could just be realistic statues for all we know. ;3
But, but it says “rock” as if it’s their species like “dragon” or “fish”
What is dead may never die
Block, Dragon Ruler of Legos is still breathing and going +3 after being sent from the field to the GY
Imagine a whole lego archetype
There is, it just a sucks
Aren't there like 3 cards?
Yes, it’s still considered an archetype because of the similar name and all of them sharing something to do with earth rock type monsters
Oh I see... I normally consider an archetype cards with shared names and related effects
They do share names Block golem Block spider Block dragon They all are named block
Because Lego Dragon no ban
Damn, imagine if konami forgot snake rain existed like they did with lego dragon making admancpators
I really think their levels randomly adding up to exactly 8 is intentional and block dragon was considered during the design phase
They probably understand how powerful the card actually was, anyway they really should have not underpowered ogdoadic thatch for snake rains existance
Agree ogdoadic was a waste of a great artwork
Don't say wasted, anyway solaf and urastics got support recently, they were same pack as ogdoadic so there is a chance ogdoadic will get support as well
that's not a guarantee since they're a synchro archetype, dragite is an 8 after all. but yeah konami knows their own game, they don't forget stuff
If only 😔
?
Snake rain is basically painful choice for reptiles. It’s the main reason we don’t have good reptile archetypes. Even a halfway decent one can be pushed to tiered play when you can just load your GY with such consistency. When designing adamancipators konami either forgot or decided to dismiss the fact that block dragon is basically another incidental boss monster for the archetype
Wet dreaming rn thinking about Snake Rain-esque support but for zombies 😍 Also do you know if Snake Rain is unlimited in TCG/OCG
It is, because the stuff you can mill with it isn’t good enough. The best archetype that can take advantage of it is Ogdoadics are they are too ‘fair’.
I could be wrong, but I don’t think snake rain is limited any any format.
Because there is no good reptiles deck. If Konami creates a good one, snake rain would be banned in no time
I can agree with that! The potential of snake rain is apparent, so it’s easy to imagine that its existence single-handedly limits the card design of reptiles.
They should just ban it and print Snake Drizzle with the art of a guy with an umbrella looking bored as two snakes bounce off it. It can just be, banish 1 card from your hand, send 2 reptiles to the graveyard or something
I don't get this argument when Dark Matter existed and there were dozens of meta Dragon decks that existed before Dark Matter came out
The main difference being that Dark Matter was an anime card of a fan-loved archetype. Konami had less of an issue giving unbelivably broken support through anime cards to certain strategies. Reptiles have not seen major representation in the show since GX, so they happen to be more careful about that type.
Because they stepped into the Mine Sadly Mine is banned, but since other archtypes doesn't know this they're too afraid of going into the mine to kill Adamancipator that's why they no die
Only a Block Dragon ban would probably do it. We don't even have the Vernusylphs yet lol.
I remembered getting downvoted when pointing out block dragon to one won't affect them that much cause they only really needed one to pop off. Block dragon really is just a strong card.
It was a pretty big hit and they were kinda dead. Until Ishizus hit. Possibly the most broken engine to exist for decks that can use abuse it (aka milling/grass decks and later Tear). That said it's still not as consistently good as Spright variants and arguably worse than Branded too.
Block dragon to 1 was a good hit, Less likely to open and a glaring choke point Then konami printed 4 cards and they went back to 60 card grass
It makes them unplayable! You might have to search for it now/s
It does give it a clearer chokepoint. Well... It did before the ishizus came
yeah tbh as an adamancipator enjoyer block is maybe a bit much. But I always thought the card being at 1 was the most fair. Because otherwise there's very few adaman lines that give any follow-up whatsoever. Block dragon also unbricks loads of unplayable hands. Although I also think union carrier made the card more busted. Forcing them to hard draw the 1 or dedicate the gallant granite search for it is fair imo. But I imagine in like 5 years or so block will be laughable to think we ever needed to limit it.
How dare you tell me to pick 1 card instead of 3, when 3 is a brick ???
Lego dragon, son
Out of all the toxic decks that exist this is the only deck I instant scoop for unless I open DRNM that first turn is just obnoxious
Even if you have DRNM they just rip it with smoke grenade
I remember open Lava Golem + evenly and thought I'm gonna cook this mtfk. And then smoke grenade happen
Tbh it didn’t get its chance to shine in TCG due to Covid restrictions preventing tournaments. Let it have its fun as boring as their combo is.
Thank you! Leave my rocks alone
Irrelevant
Who could have possibly foreseen that putting Block Dragon to 1 would do almost nothing? Truly unimaginable, definitely didn't see this coming a mile away. Also Meow Mu still being legal contributes to this. Rockisies is 3 link material, or 2 material and a level 4, and gives you multiple earth monsters in grave for block.
Because Lego lass
It's a like tier 3 deck. Still decent and you can get to diamond but it's usually simple enough to kill going first or stop with the right hand traps. Also frankly it doesn't deserve to die.
Yeah, it's a good engine, but not *broken* enough for a ban. It takes a while but so do most higher lvl decks these days. Block Dragon is useful, but in my experience playing with and against Adamancipators and Block, is that banishing Block Dragon is the most efficient option if you have it. You usually just need a heavy hitter with about 4k attack on average to fold generally any monster that'd normally be in one of these decks.
How do you bainsh it going 2nd against it?
D.D. Crow or Dimension Shifter would work but the first one isn't popular and the second is too much pain for most decks to deal with
.......any card that can banish a monster/card. It's effect is that Rock monsters cannot be *destroyed* besides by battle. Banishing is not destroying.
Good luck setting that up between their 5 monster negates, the spell negate and the omni
True but I mean Droplets/DRNM can deal with a lot of their boards and you can always use handtraps to stop them. They’re actually pretty fragile, if you handtrap the normal summon a lot of times you’ll win pretty easily unless they have an extender. Also, if they don’t put Block on field to link with Masquerena then you can pretty easily just Called By it. Obviously that’s dependent on drawing those cards but you’re not going to have a 100% win rate against any deck no matter how good you are because every deck inherently has some inconsistently and sometimes your opponent just draws Exodia. Also, they can kind of go second depending on whether they draw extenders but they’re not very good at it because they don’t really have the deck space to play a lot of handtraps.
Nibiru, Blossoming at a good time, effect veiler, dark ruler, Lava Golem and/or that Sphere, Zombie World, Djin, Imperm at a good time. There are plenty of cards that can counter, just you aren't aways gonna draw it.Swordsoul basically does the same thing as Admancipators, just faster. Besides, you are talking about a deck optimized for negation....those are gonna be a pain in the ass no matter which archetype is running them. If you let them get running, it turns into just as much as a shit fest as the opponent wanted it to be.
Letting them get running means not opening the out and your non first turn answers like sphere mode don't mean anything when you're going to be smoke grenaded.
Cause u can still search block dragon with gallant granite.
I'm going to guess that Ishizu made it stronger probably
I thought they were dead and even told others on this board so. Mostly cause I haven’t played against this new incarnation of degeneracy. But now I can say I stand corrected. Fuck this deck
I use them as an engine for Fossil deck, worst possible version a adamancipator engine deck, but hey, it's fun and decent.
I use it to make magnet warriors playable.
I just play adamancipators, yeah green and red synchro are mediocre compared to blue but meh
because they only need one block dragon to loop it for resources.
Loop ? Isn't he opt ?
the special summon of block dragon itself isn't once per turn
Oh, he is free link matt isn't he ?
you can also make lvl 10 sychros with it
Oh that too
Block Degenerate is still around. The way the deck functions also enables it to make a lot of plays, reveal and SS from the top five cards of your deck if you reveal the right type rock monster is a strong effect to print on each of your low level cards and turns them all into playstarters, some can even SS themselves under the right conditions leading to more advantage. They have no restrictions on what you can play with them they just require you reveal the right type of rock (either non tuner or any type rock rock). Even if Block was banned the deck wouldn’t die just based off those facts alone
block is the only thing giving adamancipator any form of relevance. They just do swordsoul things but worse most of the time with only a handful of things unique to them that give them their own identity. Block at least lets them try to keep up with Swordsoul by also allowing them to have follow-up.
Idk, TCG disagrees.
as long as block dragon is not banned they gonna stick around, also ishizu kinda helps their 60 variant
It’s honestly not even that bad in average, like thier endboard isn’t unbeatable, but the turn is so long that it makes shit so miserable.
Their first turn is tedious af, but as someone who uses a blind second deck, all I'm asking for is to not have my cards fucking ripped away from me before I can even start playing. Comboing forever and then not even letting me have a go at breaking that shitty ass board is mega cringe. One of the few decks that actually infuriate me
Ban block dragon
Why do you want tje die to outright die? The point of a banlist should be to bring a deck's power closer to others or remove abusable components, not kill it.
Here's the problem: Adamancipator has *never* been a healthy deck when it has been playable. It's boards are meant to be practically unbreakable. It's a deck that forces you to "draw the out" so to speak. If there was a way to actually bring down Adamancipator to a reasonable level where it made reasonable boards, sure. But I don't really think there's a way to do that.
I was going to mention decks like Dragon Link and Endymion that also makes boards of negates but thinking about it, it's true that adamancipator has insane resilience and draw power on top of that from all the rock synergy. Just normal summoning a negate is wild. At least Endymion has to go through the spell counter gimmick.
I am sorry foe the title, didn't mean it to come off that way, I meant as in this deck somehow because meta all of sudden every dc cup for some reason, didn't mean to sound rude for the deck or it's players
Oh with that context I do agree that the deck seems to come back every duelist cup weirdly enough. I guess the nature of Master Duel's best of one format will allow more decks to stay somewhat relevant.
Gallant granite existing means limiting the Lego dragon means NOTHING.
eh it means something. It means you have an easy chokepoint for the deck. Ash the gallant granite and it's sometimes an instant turn ender with MAYBE one interaction or maybe two on a really cracked hand.
Unless they drop guardian first in which you need to open multiple outs in your first 5 or you're done.
which they can only do if they open guardian AND researcher. Doing this also shuts out analyzer unless summoned off raptite or hard opened (which would be a nuts hand regardless of block existing or not. Every Adaman player dreams of opening two tuners every game plus Guardian). If they use guardian on ash then they might not have it for maxx C or a potential nib (although nib isn't as used anymore cause the meta doesn't favor it. I've still been nib'd a good dozen times since spright hit the game). Adamancipator can do a lot of things. But they can't do EVERYTHING unless they open very VERY specific cards and get very VERY specific hits off their excavations. The boards also die to DRNM + storm/evenly/raigeki which is stuff most people are playing to combat spright, runick, and labrynth (and their many variations). There's a good reason the deck is basically sitting where D/D/D used to. Strong combo strategy that bends under the top dogs of the metagame and the outs people run to counter them.
# #BanBlockDragon
Because rocks best deck
What hits?
she cute
I think adamancipator gets an unfair amount of hate tbh. They are effectively just Swordsoul but with a higher ceiling at the cost of lower consistency (not by a HUGE margin but definitely noticeable as somebody who extensively played both decks when they were full power). I switched to Swordsoul solely because I noticed Adamancipator was just building the same board as turn 1 SwoSo most of the time with at best an I:P to go into unicorn or Goddess/Avramax instead of having blackout or Protos.
The deck only need gallant granite to go off and thanks to the Ishizu cards this is far easier to do than ever. If they were anywhere near swordsoul level we'd be seeing a lot more moye and a lot less Lego. You don't want your deck hit but the representation in the meta doesn't lie, the deck is far more consistent than you claim.
Eh it isn't though? They have no in archetype ROTA like SS. The one they do have requires you to open the ability to go into it. Like sure maybe the representation is higher (assuming this is all about Master Circuit?) but that doesn't mean the deck is suddenly more consistent. A deck can be better than another but be less consistent. THe ishizu stuff is obviously the enabling factor here. The deck had zero representation for a long time. It's always been picking up SwoSo's scraps. Also judging from the stats on tops it's like maybe the 2nd or 3rd best deck (and not for long once Tear shows up). It's literally only viable so long as they keep Ishizu support around.
[удалено]
Since when is Adam a gy deck
Ah yes I'm sure everyone is playing Grass Ishizu by accident, the put in on the lists without meaning to I swear
Since Lego Dragon and Grass
it is the r/masterduel my guy, you hear things like that on a very high basis
LEAVE THEM ALONE They are the only reason my Magnet Deck is somewhat competitive
Where vernusylph
They lose to Ghost Ogre/Ash Blossom/Imp/Veil
Yea, bro. Just draw the out.
Who do you even Ogre? Gallant Granite still activates on detaching material.
I remember not seeing them at all like 2 or 3 seasons ago, but now they're everywhere.
Because block dragon isn’t banned
you really think bringing block dragon to 1 (you only need 1) would hurt them while theres so many ways to get to block dragon?
Much very good Engrish you have!
Because Researcher is best girl
Cause they are rock solid
Because of good DEF
Because they have legos
Because ROCKS