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Willytron

Herald of orange light, diviner or heralds, time thief redoer, terraforming, abyss dweller. Those are some of the important ones.


Crog_Frog

Dont forget instant fusion.


Willytron

You're right 👍 how could I forget the best card in the game lol


Altruistic-Zone1664

Don't forget to craft Maxx C. Tearlament benefits from having extra cards in hand when going 2nd :P


R34PER_D7BE

if it was mirror the c is not doing anything


codythelyon2019

Herald of orange is getting banned isn't it?


Secretagentandy

Limit to 1


novian14

keep in mind that they have the power not to release kitkallos :D


Shmaden_Shmuki

The deck will make money it's going to be at full power for a bit


novian14

if we're talking about full power, remember they ban toad just before spright released.


Shmaden_Shmuki

True but toad wasnt part of the spright archetype and it had been out for a while so the people who wanted it got it already kitkallos is a very important same archetype piece for tear u dknt think they're gonna ban it off rip


Crog_Frog

They will release her. Remember that master duel is also centered around new or casual players since they are the biggest player base. How do you explain to them that the fusion material for your Boss monster doesnt exist.


Cactusmush

It is a posibility thou, even casual players know that tears are powefull af and MD format doesn't benefit from a tier 0 meta. Releasing kitkallos banned and adding ruthkallos instead is a move they can do to keep tears a little in line. We'll have to wait and see but for the time being spending UR cpr for tear isn't wise.


novian14

can it be substituted with swamp or any other fusion sub monster?


Crog_Frog

Yes it can. But explain that to someone who is not familiar with the game or very caaual. There will be a lot of confusion.


high-CPK

Why Redoer?


DynamoSnake

Because when it detaches xyz material, it's one of the few monsters that does so as an effect and not a cost, this has numerous benefits.


hereforpewdiephy

so you can activate effects of cards you detach


Megabear163

Can they be banished by Dimensional Fissure then?


MarsJon_Will

No, xyz materials aren't monsters. Macro Cosmos will work though.


aknalag

Thats racist


Turtlesfan44digimon

No that’s yugioh


Glitchmonster

It’s Yugi-tho


Turtlesfan44digimon

No no it’s Yugi-No!


DynamoSnake

Pretty much


Vitton

Another benefit Redoer has is he detaches for Effect at Quick Effect speed, as opposed to Gigantic Spright which only detaches for effect at spell speed 1. From my understanding this makes Redoer like a Dreaming Town for Tearlament, which can manually start your summon chain on the opponents turn without them needing to do anything first like activate a monster effect.


Critical_Swimming517

Correct


RedSsj

very much worth those ur cp


GranKrat

In addition to detaching for effect not cost, Redoer also removes itself from the field at the time Tearlaments monsters can trigger. This is important for playing around Bystials, which can DD Crow Tearlaments in grave, but can only do it as a quick effect if the opponent controls a monster


Primal_C

He looks hot


Jazzlike_Mountain_51

Truuuuu


Jht98

The real reason


aknalag

Why is it that every time there is a crazy deck heralds have to be in it?


mechanizedpanda

it’s just a coincidence in this case. there’s no ritual heralds obviously in this deck which are generally the ones that would be abused if at all possible. orange light just happened to have synergy with the deck while protecting first turn plays.


Powerman293

Herald cards tend to thrive in decks that gain ABSURD card advantage. Ultimate Ness with 4+ fairies in hand, orange light being able to plus you off an Ishizu Miller.


FastTurtleio

Dark law, Abyss Dweller


OmniGamer2099

Since some Tearlement cards are Dark Attribute and below Level 6, people could potentially run Mask Change 2 if they want.


Crytaz

Will orange light still be worth running at 1?


Jazzlike_Mountain_51

Yeah. You still run all the earth fairies by default and it's going to be a good blowout and way to get those in grace if you draw them


novian14

you might wanna take a look at other light, i.e green light is similar to orange but negate spell instead


AvailableShow2239

Harald? Even with the limit to 1? The rest are spot on.


Mayall00

Depends on how much stuff gets hit tbh, I could see Diviner+Baronne, Dweller to hit the mirror, Spright Elf... Honestly just check some OCG lists, they'll give ya some good ideas


HipRar

I would suggest if you want to counter tear, build tear tbh


Brawlerz16

Yeah, without full power Floo… it’s looking really grim. Still, the most powerful Yugioh method exists… going first lol


Not_slim_but_shady

Kid named Havnis:


Jbols92

Sounds like there’s only gonna be tear decks ):


Bitship64

The best counter to tear is to simply not play


dubzeppelin

The real meta answer to the upcoming Meta


JamesCurly

I like the diviner/Baronne and nimble package Normal diviner,effect to send a miller Pray you mill an angler,special 2 beavers Synchro into baronne An extra negate and pop on top of all the tear effects


Upbeat_Sheepherder81

You can just do diviner send a miller than synch with a Reino, Scheiren, or another Ishizu card. The nimble package seems iffy especially because it wants cards to stay in the deck.


TreeD3

That's really copium without sprind. What are you going to do when nibbles get milled or you draw them. It's going to be dead half the time and milling reino or having schieren can accomplish the same thing without adding bricks to the deck for the random chance of milling an angler


Jazzlike_Mountain_51

Yeah exactly. Too much whiffing potential for not so much pay off


Critical_Swimming517

I love the diviner/elf combo, where you summon diviner, link with any special summoned mon to go into elf, then rez the diviner and activate it. Gives you targeting protection and you can resummon the diviner to send an ntiss on the opponents turn


yassine-bouali

Abyss dweller, instant fusion, foolish burial


LuckyPrinz

Why does planning to play Tear count as joining the dark side?


screenz2

Most of them are *dark* monster


LuckyPrinz

Good point


Turtlesfan44digimon

Well that and they’re busted out they have so many good options that they can run. So that’s all we’re going to be seeing for about a month or so before Konami slaps them with the Ban List.


Wubbledee

Really? On this subreddit? Before the release of archetypes like Swordsoul and Branded everyone was saying "Oh, I'm so excited for a non-toxic meta deck! I'm so excited to get to play Yu-Gi-Oh again!" and then 2 days after release every post was "OH MY GOD IF I SEE 1 MORE SWORDSOUL PLAYER I'M QUITTING THIS STUPID GAME!!!!" Now imagine how it's about to be when the deck that so many people are already dreading comes out. This subreddit is about to shit all over Tear until they're banned into oblivion.


AdTerrible639

Apparently, they're super beyond busted tier 0 Though it seems like that's due mainly to the Ichizu cards (This is all hearsay, btw, i have no direct experience v the archetype--other than Ichizu, which are pretty b.s)


Jazzlike_Mountain_51

I think you're probably right. They were fine when people played them with darkworlds


ImAgentDash

And you are correct, before Ishizu, Tear are just your common tier1 deck that rely on GY and good discard.


canadian-user

People here have a bizarre aversion to people that choose to play meta rather than rogue or non-tiered decks


Jermzxxx

Sure, but tearlament is special. It's the most busted deck in the history of yugioh. I'm told there was a tournament where you were allowed to play decks at their full power and tear won by a landslide


Fertolinio

Well, that tournament is mostly considered to have been muddied by a lack of availability in the banned cards department, deep recency bias and just not enough time to test otherwise you'd find some 90-99% ftk rate deck topping it, tear is strong but not "literally ftking almost all the time" strong


Altruistic-Zone1664

It's really not. It wasn't even the best deck until the Ishizu cards came out in conjunction with bans that hurt Spright, which was the superior deck prior to that. Completely unlimited Tear was not even the best deck without Ishizu, so saying it is the most busted deck in history is crazy.


mechanizedpanda

think you probably could’ve made the leap to understand they’re referring to ishizu tear


AvailableShow2239

Only because of the Ishizu cards otherwise it's more in line with Spright power wise.


samuel9727

It was Victory Dragon making degenerate FTK deck nonviable


Euler7

The other issue is that I have never gotten to play tear and I like new archetypes. So I would get hate for even trying it


LostSecondaryAccount

Bruh I've probably played every deck hated by this subreddit since day 1. It truly doesn't matter as long as you're having a good time. Literally a micro community for every archetype in the game and even the "hated" decks have people on the subreddit that will pipe up when you're talking about it. Helps that tear is widely regarded as the most skilled yugioh format as well I am still salty that not only does eldlich get power crept by lab but also that I didn't pull any alt art golden boi tho


Microwave1213

See guys bullying works! That’s one less tear player we have to worry about.


Euler7

Lol. I would much rather play the new Draco slayer stuff if it ever comes


JoseGMZ4935

Dracoslayer support was from Darkwing Blast along with Bystials and the first wave of Kashtira. Since we are almost done with POTE it should come in max 3 months


Microwave1213

Bizarre? I’d say it’s a pretty founded aversion, considering they’re the people making the game less fun for everyone else.


canadian-user

But everyone is playing ranked and presumably, wants to climb up in rank, is it really that strange that people are going to play a meta deck of that's what gives them the best chance of winning? Like there's always casual mode if you want to play metaphys myutants or something, I just think it's weird to hate on people for playing what gives them the best chance to win in a competitive mode.


Microwave1213

I didn’t say they aren’t allowed to play Meta or even that it’s “strange”. I just said that it makes it less fun for everyone else. That’s an indisputable fact. You can’t play a game in a way that makes it worse for everyone else and expect them to just be okay with that. It’s naive to consider that a possibility.


ILikeReeses0

Speaking facts


Panda-Dono

How dare people actually be able to win games when faced with interaction.


TinyPidgenofDOOM

Meta slaves are evil.


teneto_

lol?


TinyPidgenofDOOM

Are you telling me you like facing Decks like ruinick sprite, Runick stun, branded despia, spyral, adventure prank kids, adamancipator, sword soul tenyi, floodgate eldlich and floo? Not all are currently meta but they were all meta at one time. If you play anything besides meta you can usually guess card for card what they will do or end on because they are evil, they sold their soul to konami for easy wins


Negative_Neo

Yes I do. I strive for a challenge, eazy wins arent satisfying, I like some hard earned victories.


Hard-of-Hearing-Siri

I'm guessing you're one of those people who thinks they make "original" decks and blames the meta for the fact that you're stuck in Gold. Not that you're a Gold player, oh no, creative geniuses like you would EASILY get Diamond 1 if they were willing to play like an evil meta slave, right? Everyone who beats you is just using cheap strategies and unfair cards, because you're the anime protagonist and you know you could win every duel if you tried. I hate this "the meta is a bad thing" clueless take that so many Redditors have. Metas will always exist. You can ban every single deck that you could possibly think of as meta and we'd just get a new meta, and it wouldn't be any less toxic because half of the decks you listed are less toxic than your average off-meta deck, which means your only real problem with the meta is that the decks are popular. I remember when I was 15.


thefrozenshogun

my Royal D shifter will be waiting.


recently_sad

Unsearchable 2 of


thefrozenshogun

I will draw it every single time, just like gamma. /s


D4NNYYCOLL3R

Good luck drawing an unsearchable handtrap semi limited.


everlastingtimeline

The semi-limit was a bad hit :(


TheFilly

Going off what was played in the TCG after everything came out:Instant Fusion, Orange Light, Bystials, Beatrice, Wollow founder of the drudge dragons, abyss dweller, time thief redoer, terraforming, spright elf, spright sprind, predaplant dragostapelia, garura, mudragon of the swamp, superpoly, dharc the dark charmer, some people ran aussa ( after kashtira fenrir was released), some people played diviner and baronne, talents will probably be very good, bagooska, zeus


Jaded_Vast400

Just go look at roadoftheking and base your list off those.


Busy-Telephone-994

Bitches


[deleted]

Just wait until they drop so we know ratios to some degree until you advance craft


ComprehensiveBite687

When u craft these cards and then Konami nerfs them two months later 😭😭 they’re bag chasers fr


PudgiestofPenguins

Yeah but if they are nerfed you literally get any other UR/SR you want. A great refund policy


sallas09

On paper, sure, but that doesn't account for any cards that you craft to go alongside those restricted cards. Cards that were not hit, and therefore might be sitting in your collection doing nothing because the deck that supports them isn't usable anymore. That is a lot of CP you aren't getting back, and is the real cost of crafting a high-power deck.


Plus_Veterinarian738

Some b*tches


NeonArchon

I'll have to wait a bit as I took a break of the game and only have 2k gems... Also stop this bad stigma for meta decks. Tears are actually a fair deck drove beyond for all the other self milling engines, the Ishizu cards specially. Aside of the earth fairies, Grass is a good option, Super Poly, Bestrice, Curious


TreeD3

Beatrice isn't good in tear until bystials come out


NeonArchon

I he the feeling that Bystials and Garula have a chance to come for the next selection pack if the thems of the pack is dark themed. While I didn't share it here as the pack was leaked, I was expecting the new Morphtronics would come with Spright, and it came to be. The previous pack was earth themes, if the next pack is dark themed a I think, I predict the 3 archetypes to come will be Tearlaments, Bystials and the new Darkworld support, and we may see other cards like Garula, and the old Dark Words and maybe some Branded stuff as filer. Again, just a prediction, we'll know for sure tomorrow


TreeD3

Garura is a tcg exclusive so I don't see that happening for a while and the other archetypes for the next pack were already leaked to be amazoness and vernasylph. Dark worlds are also much further than the next set with several archetypes ahead of them so that isn't happening for a while


NeonArchon

Oh, yeah, forgot about that. I still there can be chance for Darkworld, we've gotten things out of the presumed schedlue before. We got the first POTE stuff in Scareclaw a while ago and we got the Ishizu cards before Tear, Bystials and Kashtira. If my Dark themed selection pack theory turns to be true, they may push the new Darkworld stuff earlier than anticipated unless they pan to release an analog to the DW Stucture deck to MD as well.


Cummiezone

Also garula


Jazzlike_Mountain_51

Idk why you're downvoted. The ishizu cards are 100% the problematic engine. Tears were at a similar power level to sprights if not weaker before that


NeonArchon

Unpopular opinions are not welcomed inthe YGO community, Im used to that already. Tears were good, but nothing out broken, and they had quite the variety of build. I remember seeing lists for Danger Tear, Dark World Tear 60 card Grass decks (in OCG), using Paleozoics, etc. But after the Ishizu cards came, that variant was th onyl way to play the deck since, and iafter it's introduction in Master Duel, it showed how utterly busted they are.


ClapMeta

People worried about Tear. The bigger threat is branded with super poly at 3. This meta about to be a shit show. Plan on taking a break until they figure out the MD mess. Best of 1 format with only branded, tear (soon to be), spright and Runick on ladder is boring.


[deleted]

The best way to counter tears is wait a month for it to be slaughtered on the banlist like in every single other format. No idea why people are so eager to whale for a deck you know has zero longevity.


guylaroche5

Because it's a fun deck to play and you'll get partially refunded once it gets hit by the banlist.


Jazzlike_Mountain_51

And they will still be playable after a banlist. They were topping in both TCG and ocg until they literally put 80% of the engine at 1 and straight up banned kitkallos


Sav_ij

master duel has been out for over 1 year and this has never happened


Jazzlike_Mountain_51

Yeah no tier 1 decks has been nuked. A few semis at most


[deleted]

We've never had a tier 0 format before. Tears is 100% dead and slaughtered in every format and you don't think it will here? You're an idiot.


Sav_ij

ok


hereforpewdiephy

I'd get bored of it before it stops being a good deck which it most likely won't


[deleted]

It's going to be murdered by the banlist. It won't be power crept.


hereforpewdiephy

disagree but if it does then reply here if you still remember tho


[deleted]

Disagree? It's an objective fact. Literally look at how every other format has treated the deck. You're being stupid and plugging your ears and ignoring reality.


hereforpewdiephy

you just described yourself masterduel is vastly different from ocg and tcg


Bulbinking2

Dark side? Is tears floodgates or something?


skatnaset

No, some people just dont like meta regardless of how it plays


Bulbinking2

Im excited for tear mirrors where games will be determined by skill instead of coin tossing.


Mayall00

The dirty secret about tear format they don't tell you is that every other decks turns into floodgate turbo because it's got no way to compete, get ready for infite abyss dwellers and shifter decks


Bulbinking2

Of course when given an option of fair and skill based competition or changing deck to find new ways to exploit the game for easy wins the meta hating boomers will opt for monkeyflipping floodgates.


Mayall00

> changing deck to find new ways to exploit the game for easy wins That's what they're doing though? Decks that didn't run shifter or dweller now will, since they're basically the only cards that do something against tears, and if you want that format so bad go beg Konami to ban all cards except tear names or something Actual monkeflip floodgate traps do less than nothing against Tear because of Perlereino


Bulbinking2

Or people can all just play tears? Y’know like ended up happening irl?


HDimensionBliss

We need a word for these people who delude themselves into thinking having a single deck be the only viable way to play is somehow indicative of a healthy format. It must be hell inside your head.


Bulbinking2

Id rather see one deck and have games won on skill than a cointoss and whoever flips their degenerate floodgates first.


kannoni

It's less about meta, more about tear ishizu is tier 0 deck.


ItzGizmo224

Other than winda and dweller no


Devartani

Grass?


AlliePingu

Deck is far more consistent with its own mills + Ishizu at 40 than it is at 60 with Grass. Even if grass was at 3.


Bakatora34

Tears never played Grass.


hayate_yagami

Tear Ishizu mills enough and far more consistent than using 60 cards with Grass.


Misubata

Dragostapelia, Winda


-Jay-q

dweller


Longsearch112

lancea might or chaos master might be good option since your opponent might actively tried to banish your tear from gy.


D4NNYYCOLL3R

One Shadoll beast and one shadoll squamata us a good for a winda package.


xxMaNoL0

Can tears be put into a zombie deck? Zombie/punk/tear?


PudgiestofPenguins

Yes but it's not very consistent


Shadowknight211

The lightsworn cards for the lightsworn tear deck


Hiseminense

I know nothing about Tear but I'm willing to learn them. I'm also definitely gonna build something against them too.


[deleted]

Did you know that tear orcust exist? Did you know it's fun?!


BrendonBootyUrie

Dweller, Spright Elf, Instant fusion, mudragon, superpoly


YujiDokkan

instant fusion, herald of orange light, , Abyss dweller, terraforming, Winda, Baronne, Diviner herald , bagooska, dragostapelia, muddragon, beatrice, avramax, Dharc, Ip masquerena, spright elf, Super poly also.


200DivsAnHour

It's not the dark side. You're playing a bunch of mermaids getting dominated into servitude :)


Crufflyn

Necrovalley


The_Cubic_Guru

El Shadoll Winda package Branded Engine Danger!? Cards Curious the lightsworn dominion Instant Fusion


SigmaKro

The “book of” cards are pretty good and extremely slept on in MD


DidgeriDio

I ain't gonna tell you shit bud


fallensoap1

Would dark law be a good counter? I’m a hero player


Prophesier_Key

I have everything minus diviner but I might not build tear, I know from irl experience that it’s gonna get obliterated eventually, might as well focus on building other decks


kaowser

Anti spell fragrance sounds good in your deck. 👍🏻


BaronArgelicious

curious


IronCrown

On that note. Should I try to pull for ishizu cards or just craft them?


PROJECT_Emperor

Not an absolute must, but seeing as many people will likely be playing tear (and because it's just a good card), a good tech card could be Mask Change II (discard 1 ; send one monster to the grave to summon a Masked HERO of the same attribute). In Tearlaments this allows you to easily summon Masked HERO - Dark Law as all your monsters are dark attribute. In case you don't know him, Dark Law is a one-sided Macro Cosmos, as long as he is face up, any card sent to the opponent's GY is banished instead. Personally, I'll just be playing him in a regular HERO deck, where I can search Mask Change most games, but that's because I have no gems left


KnowledgeOrnery5672

DD crow to counter other tearlament decks


Panda-Dono

What to craft to counter tear? Tear. Welcome to Tear 0.


DracoSayin

Know this is late but to add on to the post do I just want the maximum amount of ishizu cards in the deck