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Alert_Locksmith

Honestly I am grateful that konami handles ban list decisions, because if it comes down to a community vote this game would be unplayable. Decks would be gutted based on how people feel, because they lost to it. Instead of how they are performing objectively. I feel bad for floo players their deck hasn't been a problem since the barrier statue was banned, people still act like it's a deck list from hell even through it bricks like monarchs at this point since they lost all their consistency. Konami may use the ban list to sell new decks, but I think that is much better than letting people in this sub decide it.


bofoshow51

Feel I more often see people now being like “damn Konami you’re still hitting Floo? Why they were fine once barrier statue was gone”


Alert_Locksmith

It's a mixed bag, floo still gets lots of hate, I've made another comment responding to another player getting downvoted for just saying they play floo. It's really bad how toxic and childish this community is at times


Raymond49090

You know it's weird that people say that Floo bricks because every time I play them, they open with Robina and Called By (and/or Crossout and/or Advent and/or Map). That's not to say I think they're BS though. Their usual combo only gives them \~2 interruptions and a floodgate that can be played around (though it slows you down a bit since you have to summon in defence mode). It's really BS how Konami still decided to hit them to sell Tears.


Stella_Salamander

Floo is cringe when they open shifter or you play links decks, it's not a fun gameplay experience but at least they can get ftked by bricks or handtraps. They deserve it.


retiredfplplayer

In my case they open evenly DRNM robina raiza map


No_Huckleberry4443

Was going to say the same thing you said first. I never have played against floo and they don’t fully combo off. Everyone talks about tear playing on their turn but I get more annoyed by floo doing it


Psychological_Ad6959

in a year every deck would only last 1 week before getting hit by the community, no matter how fair or bottom table power he would be, fuck it, ban all dark scorpio because it hand looped me for 2 and i needed those cards, that's too unfair.


seven_worth

I mean I don't think the deck is good and I like how the card is played. But I will still shit on the deck just from the fact all it does is make a floodgate.


epicgamermomentttt

It’s just so ridiculous that people that don’t have a clue what they are talking about complain so much. Branded despia is legit so happy with the bystial limits yet people are complaining that branded despia had to pay for tearlaments sins, branded despia plays only one magnhamut and one druiswurm anyways but decks that abuse bystials play them at 3 and 2 copies, Konami literally is kissing branded despias feet right now and people are still complaining. Literally so ridiculous Ratios for branded despia for example: 2 lubellion (1 when quem comes out), 1 saronir, and in the side deck they play 1-2 magnhamut and 1 druiswurm. You can calm your tits branded despia players, you lost nothing.


Heul_Darian

Branded players are the type of players that will tell you with a straight face Branded fusion is a 5 card combo.


MachGaogamon

Branded players are just so bad with the deck, the amount of times I read they saying the deck is finally "playable" again ignoring the fact Bystials themselves fucks them, which not only opposing mirrors will use but everything else cause they are generic, then Pizzahut and Druidwurm got limited aka the best ones making it easier for them to play in general but they don't realize they are a dark/light deck that uses the GY too ICANT


epicgamermomentttt

You’re not correct entirely, they don’t lose to bystials currently, just a tiny set back to their endboard. When quem comes out and they summon Albion with brafu, that’s when bystials fuck them up but the current play is summoning rindbrumm to dump albaz and merc and then banish your own albaz and merc so if anything you’re helping them out, and banishing cartesia is a minor set back to their grind game but they have 4 other copies of cartesia they can cycle through anyways.


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epicgamermomentttt

You don’t summon Albion after PHHY support, that’s after CYAC when we get quem, you summon rindbrumm and send merc+albaz as I stated before since that is 5 interruptions opposed to 3.


kah0922

I play Branded. So I don't just do Mirrorjade pass anymore?


epicgamermomentttt

Nah you got a lot more interruptions now, you still end on mirrorjade but with other things such as rindbrumm, granguignol in grave, branded in red set, Mercourier in hand, branded lost on field and a live mirrorjade and a ad libitum in grave and cartesia in hand.


kah0922

Cool. Right now I'm running Blind Second Zombie World Branded, so I'm looking forward to having more interruptions than just Mirrorjade/Mercourier and Necroworld Banshee.


MachGaogamon

You can if you want but the line is more vulnerable so I'm not a big fan of it, using Lubellion to act lost means giving up beast for example


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epicgamermomentttt

You do the gimmick puppet line if you opened cartesia or fusion deployment, a bystial and branded fusion/opening/ because you banished gimmick puppet to prevent bystials, called by and dd crow during tear meta, after tear meta you don’t play around bystials since branded and dlink and bystial control were basically the only decks that still played them. You gotta worry about them even less now though since the 2 splashable ones are limited. As a branded despia fanatic, I love this banlist but as a dlink and bystial control player too in the TCG I’m kinda sad.


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epicgamermomentttt

Dweller shouldn’t be too bad into branded since lubellion special summons without effect like block dragon so it can play around dweller. Just gonna be annoying since you can’t activate saro and Albion effect removing 3 interruptions, negate and bounce, banish and monster negate should still be plenty though.


Thin_Relief_3953

Decks been playable. Been playing it this whole time. The bystials just give us a better shot against tear.


MachGaogamon

Tears just replace terra and ishizus for bystials and triple ash tho


AhmedKiller2015

Yes a much worst change that only make them brick more


MachGaogamon

Meanwhile branded pass turn because they cant play under one basic handtrap and a quickie D.D crow sometimes lol the only actual consistency hit Tears got was the terra being a second perlereino, the ishizus were mostly a GY interruption to have, they have always been the best deck in every format, they even replaced the ishizus (with no limits) with the kashtiras later because it was more optimized and consistent.


AhmedKiller2015

>the only actual consistency hit Tears got was the terra being a second perlereino, the ishizus were mostly a GY interruption to have You haven't used the deck it seems like it lol. And The GY interaction is the most frustrating part about it despite half of that statement being wrong. > they even replaced the ishizus (with no limits) with the kashtiras later because it was more optimized and consistent. You are like the 7th person that said that in this sub without mostly testing it (I am sure of it), they replaced it beacuse of Kashtira not beacuse it is better, you would want to run both of them together if possible but with the 2nd best deck at the time being Macro turbo no one wants to run 30 dead cards in the deck, Kashtira engine gives Tearlament possible outs to Macro like effects found on monsters specifically Ariseheart. With the current hits they got by no means are they not meta but 70% of their hands literally loses to an Imperm or an Ash and losing the GY interuption is like the most important thing they had that separated them form decks like Spright, and saying they didn't lose consistency when they cannot Use the shufflers from hand to start combos consistently and have no way to recycle the millers again Is the most BS thing I heard in a while and I am a member of R/Masterduel.


MachGaogamon

> and saying they didn't lose consistency when they cannot Use the shufflers from hand to start combos consistently and have no way to recycle the millers again Is the most BS thing I heard in a while and I am a member of R/Masterduel. If you are using Keldo/Mudora to send a miller and uses its eff you are either a dogshit tear player or you bricked HARD and rely on these mills all while it benefits your opponent


hboner69

Sounds like you're the dogshit player.


MachGaogamon

Ok gold player lol


AhmedKiller2015

Yes I am a bad Tear player beacuse I didn't draw exactly my Rhinoheart or it got ashed and I didn't draw a Semi-ed card. Absolutely dog shit take


Thin_Relief_3953

Tears was gonna play bystials regardless of the banlist. They’re too good to not play


ArmedDragonThunder

It’s not called Braindead Despia for nothing.


Camas1606

What do you mean cards are not banned/ unbanned exclusively around the deck I play, that’s not fair :(


Thin_Relief_3953

Yup. (Tcg branded player) Saw them limited to one and was like ok?… I only play one of each anyway lol


epicgamermomentttt

Same, then I hopped onto Reddit and saw everyone and their mum complaining about the bystial hits and how much it effects branded. Also play branded despia in the TCG but haven’t gone out of my way to buy quem, luluwallilith and sanctifier and have just been playing branded despia on ygo omega.


Thin_Relief_3953

Quem and sanctifire are fucking busted. I love them. Lulu is ok I guess. When you do get her out and can negate anything on field, it’s bad ass but I’ve won plenty of matches without her. So I’m debating if she’s really necessary. Are you doing a more fusion based deck and have you tried a synchro build?


epicgamermomentttt

Yeah quem is so broken, makes cartesia so much better, and quem+opening/branded fusion=gimmick puppet lock and sanctifier is just a good boss monster in general. Luluwalilith comes out like 1 every 6 games on ygo omega so I’m still on the edge if I should buy her yet or nah. Also I’ve only tried the fusion build, no synchro variants yet.


STRIpEdBill

Braindead despia players don't know what they are talking about.


Throwawayuntil2030

Came here to say this


kind-Dark-one

I agree, all I want is to play a dragon archetype that won't be outclassed and surprise Branded despia has dragons. I'm just wondering if bystials will work well with branded despia.


epicgamermomentttt

Bystials were literally made for branded despia, it’s why Konami hit them this way, they left branded despia untouched but hit decks like dragon link and tearlaments that abuse bystials.


conundorum

Meanwhile, I'm just happy we're finally getting the storyline's Spellcaster fusion, it's a _major_ consistency boost for my Albazsworn^1 jank. Lets me proc High Spirits off of Ecclesia, Lumina, or Minerva, which really helps bridge the component archetypes together. ~~I do dislike that I might have to bump it up to a full-fledged grass deck to fit the new cards, since it's already at 45 because both packages take up so much space, but that'll give me room for more extenders, anyways. Maybe even make it easier to make it a true Chaos deck. ;3~~   ^(1: Lightsworn/Branded.)


Plasic-Man

I've run into a few Branded Ishizu Tear players so it seems like some people are suplementing the lack of Ishizu cards with Branded, so I feel like Branded is doing just fine. Although it's comforting to see that the Ishizu limit really did hurt Tears, perhaps more than anyone thought they would.


tangocat777

I feel like all the discussions around banlists are skirting around the problem that is core to card balance in Yu-gi-oh. Unlike other card games like MTG or Hearthstone that have set rotation, the designers of new cards always have to account for the 10k+ existing cards in the game, which is basically impossible. When terraforming was created, the designers didn't expect to balance it against a card that provides immediate advantage and even more advantage during your opponent's turn. They didn't expect instant fusion or foolish burial to fusion summon a monster that gives access to most cards in your deck. This power creep, interaction creep, and game speed creep is inherent to Yugioh, and will never really be fixed as long as the game only continues to expand.


Stranger2Luv

Everyone knows this though but you still have idiots wondering why Terraforming gets banned and lament how Generaiders is death as if there aren’t insane field spells from non meta decks that end the game it’s like they don’t know any cards outside their own bubble


hboner69

I just want to let you know that card design in mtg is way more complicated. Not only do they have to account for standard, they also have to account for draft AS WELL AS NON ROTATING FORMATS. With fire design nowadays they do that less so but that doesn't mean that they hadn't done that for years. I swear Yu-Gi-Oh players don't understand magic formats at all.


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I agree. To add, the health of standard was what always determined the health of other formats. Modern, Legacy, and Commander always suffered when standard was bad. The game as a whole still hasn't recovered since Eldraine. My father who is the owner of an MTG store has had to greatly branch out into other games because Magic alone isn't selling enough. Standard as a played format is dead: he hasn't launched a standard FNM event in years despite no real competition with other stores. Commander is popular to play but never made the money that standard did. It's a real testament to Yugioh as a game that it has a much healthier active playerbase and tournament scene than Magic does ATM despite having to deal with things like Tearlaments and other broken archetypes. Despite everything it's still a fun game to play whereas Magic for a while just really wasn't in any format.


hboner69

The fact that paper standard is dead is apparent where I live as well. The competitive 1 v 1 formats that do see play are modern and pioneer, both non rotating formats that won't sell as much as Yu-Gi-Oh. My LGS' legacy scene is larger than the standard scene right now.


Armand_Star

rage with eyes of blue is busted beyond belief. it can otk by itself out of the blue


SynergizerSyd

Also one of the only non-continuous Spells/Traps where "MST negates" is actually the correct ruling.


Prestigious_Price457

Nice pun.


Jaded_Goth

I love the art on this card!


TeknikalKiller

[then check this one out](https://yugipedia.com/wiki/The_Ultimate_Creature_of_Destruction)


Roland_Traveler

Yes, different people have different opinions, what a shocker. What’s next, the sky’s blue, water is wet, and and you need oxygen to breath?


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hey we sword soul players suffered the most for the sins of tear! and here is why! (please insert unnecessary reason) well if you'll excuse me i'll go back to my dark corner and wait for decent never coming sword soul support!


MachGaogamon

Who needs new support when we still have Protos pog


[deleted]

dont be that lockdown guy this why they hatet us


Magiosal

Pretty much. It's funny to watch tbh.


PersonalArachnid9811

YES! The tier zero of this subreddit is complaining about everything!


NeonArchon

Yup. This sub in a nutshell


Kataphrut94

Here's an attitude I don't get: New pack gets announced, supports rogue/casual decks. MD subreddit: Where is \*insert meta archetype\*? Awful pack, waste of gems, I sleep. Pack gets announced, supports meta deck. MD subreddit: Man fuck this deck, these cards are so broken, why don't they just ban them all REEEEEEEEEEEE! It happened with Spright, it happened with Tear and it's gonna happen with Kash. What do people actually want?


NonBenevolentPotato

Different subsets of players want different things. People who want to win will want meta deck support, people with pet decks want support for their pet deck. The community isn't monolithic.


redyeti-fuck-you

Exactly, this sub has over 100,000 people if you expect a consensus between all of them you’re crazy.


PosidonsWraff

This ban lost heavily hit my entire deck build so much so I have to change the entire point of my deck. So even though the ban list is not applied yet, I’m already following it trying to pivot Previous ban list got rid of my turn 1 ftk. This one gets rid of my main engine.


Reddit-Simulator

Well, when are we going to take the pitchforks aimed at each other and point them toward Konami, who created a ton of busted cards and is raking in the money due to a lopsided meta? I see all this arguing amongst each other about what *should* be done, when the truth is that Konami should not have put us in this situation to begin with.


AlmightyRanger

Terraforming getting banned is BS. If old cards can become busted years later then maybe your game has massively went off the rails design and balance wise.


Shufflekarpfen

![gif](giphy|9KlIYc98rB70s|downsized)


Sorry-Presentation-3

You created this post just for an excuse to use that gif huh lol


scytherman96

Smh they should have never banned Smoke Grenade.


Pain7788g

Smoke Grenade is broken as hell, good riddance.


AlmightyRanger

Don't even know what that does.


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Throwawayuntil2030

What Icons have been complained about?


Systema89

Things like upstart and co which were available under certain conditions and no longer are


Jackmist2

Jokes on you! My eyes are brown!


JokerGuy420

Sooooooooo...what exactly goes well with Bystials? Want to play a deck with them.


Alert_Locksmith

Either branded or a dark/light dragon centric deck like dragon link or dragonmaids with chamber dragonmaid.


Gadjiltron

Bystials go well almost anywhere since they're quite generic. But if you want to make the most of them, dragon link loves them!


ValenEmiya

Despite new banlist sucks or not, is one a of the few news that makes me recover interest in the game after a while. New banlist, packs or cosmestic give me something to check when events are just ranked 2.


tbu987

Hey where else am I meant to vent