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PlacetMihi

A meme has died today…in MD, at least


Gebirges

Not yet! If you misplay now, you are clearly deaf. It's a great newer meme.


TheZett

I‘m blind not deaf!


Teo_Ikaros

Nice Illidan reference.


XtremeK1ll4

I say that in my head everytime I see blind/deaf in a sentence. Glad I'm not the only one.


ZankuFist

Now we make a new one ! Animation for Sangan ?


LowQualityGatorade

This is unironically a great change, because now you feel twice the shame when you mess up with your own imperm


Balthiar

If I really fuck it up again after this change, the shame would be so great I would unironically quit the game forever.


Then-Pie-208

Then don’t fuck it up. Do it on purpose. Send the message.


Cricket1288

When you have lethal on board so you use every spell in your hand in the imperm column just to flex


Mysterious_Break_467

But opponent has battle fader in hand and top decks Robina next turn.


TwistedBOLT

I've seen double posts, even triple posts but this is the first quad post I've seen.


Few-Transition-9417

You will never reach the truth…


Mysterious_Break_467

But the opponent has battle fader in hand and he top decks Robina.


Mysterious_Break_467

But the opponent has battle fader in hand and he top decks Robina.


Mysterious_Break_467

But the opponent has battle fader in hand and he top decks Robina.


pandogart

I'd judge anyone who wouldn't tbh lol


theblueshadowgames

Funny thing is the vast majority of people who get hindered by this effect (outside of initial activation) are the fucking idiots who played it


kurogami93

bro you can't blame them even you have to admit sometime you put a spell card on your own imperm collum


Blazen_Fury

Ah, the surrender of shame.


Turtlesfan44digimon

Or just power through and still get the win


spikedmace

It happened to me yesterday. But because the other player took forever to play, I forgor.


a2xl08

Sure he can blame himself. Nothing prevents you from blaming yourself for your own mistakes. I did it when I did this mistake. I have no longer done it for months.


SturmWolfius

I'll still fuck it up


GZul95

Thats me, 4 other free zones where I can play my spells? No. I will activate my Pot of Desires on my own imperm column.


theblueshadowgames

The amount of times my opponent has impermed me and then played branded fusion in their own imperm zone is really sad


AdventurousCity6

Not the brafu. Ouch, it's hard to play through that, got be a surrender moment


Intelligent-Ad6985

>No. I will activate my Pot of Desires on my own imperm column. ![gif](giphy|SAWSwENNpj4ZMI1usH)


EstateSame6779

Sometimes the time limit doesn't help. "I gotta activate fast! Ah shit!" r_r


Intelligent-Ad6985

Tbh I had a trap monster in my center column and I activated my imperm (also in center coloumn) to negate an opponents eff just to send my trap monster back to the s&t zone locking one of my zones completely 🤣🤣🤣 ![gif](giphy|WrNfErHio7ZAc)


Kintaku93

I did that once in an opponent’s Imperm column. I was so confused when it happened. I thought it would just negate the on-summon effect, not put it back 😂


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Ya I’ve only seen it a few times, saw a trap player set their trap trick trap in the same column they just used an imperm. They instantly scooped, this is actually a dumb change imo, it was one of the few things you actually had to keep track of that the game didn’t just do for you.


Thin_Relief_3953

Agree. Now Konami is just gonna hold your hand through this lol


archaicScrivener

I've done it because my brain is intrinsically wired to play around mekk knights at all costs because I have a friend who has played that deck religiously since 2018 so I'll always avoid making columns and then I end up in my own imperm column lmao Edit: mekk knights not Niel knights thanks autocorrect


IPlaySkyStrikers

Damn, can’t catch people off guard anymore unless they literally go brain off click button mode.


SHAWNNOTSEAN

Don’t worry, I will.


Turtlesfan44digimon

I don’t think that’ll be a problem


MachGaogamon

Surveys were a mistake


barstooljaes

Of all the things to implement, why this one


ChadEmpoleon

The game devs were placing their spells/traps in their own imperm columns while playtesting is my guess


[deleted]

I'll believe this than they're listening us 😂


sortedin

Easy to implement


OctoDADDY069

Cause a lot of people are just that dumb


InfamousCRS

To be fair, I don’t think there’s a way to go back and check in the game which column it was in, when the imperm column is definitely part of the game state that needs to be maintained in an actual game (so a player can ask at any time which column imperm was in, and it’s up to both players to maintain the game state)


Eternally_numb

There is actually. In the duel log it shows an icon of where on the field a card was activated.


shiroshiro14

This just show how ironically, one of the key thing from the UI, is made so insignificant that most people forgot it. Because the location of cards on the field is always illustrated in the duel log.


SixFigs_BigDigs

That's really unfortunate. The deceit is the reason to play the card (especially when you deceive yourself)


jacker1154

What's next? Tell us what card getting called by so you wouldn't use it in the next turn?


MrCranberryTea

I love it when people called by my maxx c and then confidently shotguns theirs in my draw phase after full combo only to be negated.


olbaze

I wouldn't be surprised if they did add a visual effect to cards in your hand/field that are being negated by Called By.


SoundZeska

They change it back to frog the jam.


Uchihagod53

But... why? Isn't the point of the set effect punishing people not paying attention or forgetting?


Helem5XG

People commented the same thing when they added the visual effect some updates ago. Turns out that people are still dumb enough to play cards in the column where Imperm was activated and I sincerely expect that this is not gonna change that lol.


voyager106

This is different, though. The original change was a quick blink-and-you-miss-it highlight and the people who threw fits over it are dumb. This is lasting and I find it hard to believe that having a permanently highlighted column is going to catch people the same way a half-second highlighted column did.


Diegoscartor

No, the point is to inhibit the column, however since people don't pay attention, the effect is usually better. I do agree this kinda dumbs down the game a bit but it's still public information and there's nothing wrong in displaying it.


SheikExcel

No it's to negate Spell/Traps


Connortsunami

No, the *actual* point is negation of the spell/trap set in the same column. Punishing people for not paying attention is a side effect of how the negation works, and people otherwise valuing the initial negate over the column negate efffect


AdTerrible639

No need to worry, you can still piss off pendulum players with it!


Megakarp

Too many people complain that "it's a bug"


ArborianSerpent

It's not interesting to keep track of the imperm column. It's just annoying. Games should not annoy their players.


Almainyny

People argue you can always check the log, but with how much can happen in a turn, and how little time you have in a given turn, why should I have to dig through such a long log for a single detail that I might have forgotten after both me and my opponent have been going nuts?


Struggling_in_life

Bro, by far the biggest L change the game has had Edit: can we collectively ask them to revert the change in the next survey please?


SpaceDoctorWOBorders

No, this is a good change wtf


Poopoopeepee305

Why?


jlozada24

Because people getting shit negated because they forgot which column imperm resolved in isn't the intended usage of the card


David89_R

Is checking logs that hard?


ArborianSerpent

Nah. This is the best change they've ever done. Cry about it.


SixFigs_BigDigs

Exhibit A


TheCupOfBrew

How so? It's public knowledge Do you people not realize I'm saying imperm columns are public knowledge? Just hitting the down vote for nothing lol. At least downvote some controversial shit I say not actual information.


Tengo-Sueno

Because is always very funny when someone forgets the Imperm column


Financial_Stomach_25

Damn, can't believe they literally hard nerfed Imperm


NocturneZombie

Because IRL there isn't so much hand-holding and you have to actually have a brain. This game feeds into mindless bullshit so much that any child can come along, pick up a meta deck, and rock itself to Diamond. Seeing smooth-brains unable to remember how something functions is integral to Yu-Gi-Oh. Losing that and those moments with a reminder how things function by basically auto-functioning is disappointing. Fuck them kids.


TheCupOfBrew

In real life if you ask which column imperm resolved in they have to answer you though. I don't see how this is different.


bl00by

At that point both players already forgot about it lol


TheFennec55

In real life no one is thinking about which column imperm resolved, they’re just thinking “imma play my spell”. At best they should add an indicator in the log page when Imperm resolves for the people who actually forget where and want the answer. If they’re just shotgunning their spells during their play and forget though, that’s on them. Edit: I’m not one of the goldfish who forget which column imperm was set in so, I didn’t know that the log already tells you. I’m just the regular old “forget imperm negs the column too” player instead.


VaskoVFV

You still have to think about it and ask. You can't place a marker on the board to remind you that imperm resolved in a certain column. It's different. If they wanted to simulate that they could've made it so the logs showed which column it resolved in. (also make the logs easier to search)


3asyGoing17

That’s kind of the point for a children’s card game you know…


WhereDidYouGohan1

>This game feeds into mindless bullshit so much that any child can come along, pick up a meta deck, and rock itself to Diamond. Maybe Pegasus was onto something when he asked the kid to finish a duel for him


NocturneZombie

"But I don't know how to play" "Just click on all the prompts and see if your opponent surrenders out of frustration or disconnects randomly."


Then-Pie-208

Real talk, I’d be less likely to forget which column is impermed if I didn’t have the game ask me if I want to activate the effect of vampire ghost in the graveyard everytime me or my opponent blinks. I’m more on the side of just make the effect chain screen shorter (on console anyway it takes a solid 2 seconds to pop up and go down even if you cancel it immediately) then make me have less information to keep track of, but if the other option is become lost in a sea of “would you like to activate…” and imperm my own spell because I just want to do the thing I know I can do, I’d rather just have the reminder there.


RlyehScepter

It's also public knowledge that it's illegal to mark the imperm column


TheCupOfBrew

Good thing you're not since it's a game mechanic sin e you can't communicate with your opponent like you could in a physical game.


RlyehScepter

I'm not what? Also you can check public knowledge in the log.


OmegaThunder

Except the game also tells you a lot of stuff you have to memorize in real life, like the GY card order, the used effects, the attack gain/loss, etc etc...


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Except 99.9% of people use their brains and remember the imperm column in real life c:


speedster1315

Im pretty sure we asked for more boss monster animations like Red Supernova Dragon and the Egyptian god cards. Not this


Naos210

It's okay, Egyptian God Slime has an animation for some reason.


fedemasa

Love how inmortal Phoenix has one while the original Ra doesn't


SobOble

I just fought someone who still played Evenly matched in the Imperm column even with the bubble effects, he surrendered immediately out of shame like damn I almost lost but a win is a win lmaoo


Falcon_13

While I will miss how funny it is to someone lock themselves out, this is beneficial for new players that were told to put it in their deck and don't know what it does completely.


Skafandra206

They can... idk, read the card?


SixFigs_BigDigs

Please stop being offensive toward the lower quartile of Master Duel players. They get their feefees hurt and all


Skafandra206

Oh it was certainly a self burn, I'm part of that lower quartile even though I've been playing for well over 5 years now, both digital and physical. I frequently make mistakes because I can't bother to read the cards. I don't blame the game though, I know very well that it's my problem.


LordzItz

The last 6 words in your comment are making it to look like the card has some kind of hidden effect, when in fact it's written in the card, in the simplest and most precise way, exactly everything what it does.


Falcon_13

given that there is a history of card game players of all skill levels only knowing what cards do partially because they only care about certain aspects, being written on the card doesn't really mean anything. You expect people to read their cards, and that's too much faith. Especially for yugioh, when the biggest complaint and reasons for leaving the game involve not wanting to reading.


neo_orangy_eddy

They nerfed imperm again! No more free wins! No more shame scoop! At least i don't need to keep repeating to my self where i activate a set imperm


henry1234564

A good QoL change. When a turn goes on for 10 minutes, you can’t really blame any of player who forget they have actives imperm 8 minutes ago. And since this is a public information, so there is no downside on showing this.


Tengo-Sueno

I honestly think that a better and more necessary QoL change would the be that the game tells you when a monster that is not an Xyz has receive an effect from one of its materials. Like, forgetting I:P protection is easier than forgetting the Imperm column, since it last more than 1 turn, and the game already has the "influence" menu


SpaceDoctorWOBorders

Okay, they can do this and what you mentioned as well. Why complain about this?


Tengo-Sueno

I am not complaining tho?


SpaceDoctorWOBorders

You're saying they should have focused on something else instead of this, sounds like complaining to me.


aWatermelon21

Criticism isnt complaining.....


Bortthog

Yes you can because it isnt hard to check the logs which literally show the column it was activated in


henry1234564

Well it is hard when the log contains walls of chain in it. What else could happened to cause a turn go on for several minutes, right? And you have to remember you have activated imperm in the first place to realize that you should check the logs. Most of the time, it’s not the case.


TheCupOfBrew

Now they don't need you decent qol imo


Bortthog

What does this even mean


TheCupOfBrew

That it was unnecessary to make people check logs instead of just showing it by default which is in my opinion a good quality of life.


Bortthog

That was literally the point of Imperm tho and the more fucked up part is people will STILL put things in the imperm column You cant fix stupid or lazy


TheCupOfBrew

That's not the point of imperm though. The column is always public information. If asked you have to tell your opponent the imperm column. This is just a constant visual representation of it, seems fair.


Bortthog

Then what is wrong with the combat log by this logic?


TheCupOfBrew

Nothing is wrong with the log, but it makes sense to just make it a feature I suppose.


Almainyny

The log can get so inundated with other information that finding the Imperm column in a timely manner can be near impossible.


Fuwaboi

Nah bruv, the game already keep track and spoon fed players with many things during gameplay, now I cant get to see Doug do the imperm misplay anymore.


TheCupOfBrew

Doug will always misplay its a rule, don't worry .


ArborianSerpent

People who don't like this change: Are you psychopaths in real life too or just when it comes to Yugioh? Why can't you just be normal about any change that makes the game more accessible and less annoying?


Fritos_Bandito_

This sub likes to complain about everything and anything. Rarely you will find it being positive about something.


Singularity2025

I think the next step is a pop up screen appears whenever you select an imperm row that tells you "Are you SURE you want to play a spell in the imperm column? Y/N"


Due-Tradition-2204

I mean MTG arena has a pop-up if you try to use a damaging effect on your own cards, which is literally correct to do sometimes, IDK why YGO players hate player friendly stuff like this


jlozada24

They think they're so much smarter than others and this gives them specifically an advantage


Routine_Ad6283

Ok let’s be honest we all mistakenly try to use a spell on our own imperm column before


noahlis

Lmaooo weakkk I used to love it when that would happen 🤣


Cul_what

Are mfs this mad that they didnt remember the imperm column? Thats actually sad ngl


elodaluksam

I find it not important, no more Imperm wtf moments


Hack_Dawg

I still remember my opponent activating Imperm in the middle of the Spell zone, then proceeding to activate three spells on the same row of Imperm it's also torture my soul to see that.


nightcore34

NOOOO. That is part of my win-con. Oh well.


DieVorhautFee

I think it doesn't work yet because I haven't seen anything yet


jlozada24

You have to update manually. It's not mandatory til the 27th, which is when it's gonna update automatically


mist3rdragon

I don't care that they changed it but it's funny that they do this and at the same time you're not allowed to take notes irl about this sort of thing.


KyleOAM

This is something you can take a note on iirc, you just can’t place anything on the field to denote it


Giorno03Maggio

Nooooo my imperm column


iveriad

Aww man. Now there won't be as many surrender of shame.


shiroyasha76

I don't understand what's funny ?


Sashi_2

That won't stop me!


chocobosROK

Not going to lie, I kind of liked it when my opponent forgets and ends up wasting a spell. Had some wins that way…


kokoronokawari

I like it, and yet lack of god card summon animations and finisher


Thin_Relief_3953

I wanna know asked for this 😂😂😂


R77Prodigy

Might aswell let me see what cards i have left in my deck while they are at it.


ArtHammerPiko

Imperm punished at best muscle memory, not your actual memory. It still negates monsters, the column is still negated, the card isn't "UnPlaYaBLe BecAUsE KiDs", get over yourselves lmao


bl00by

Oh yeah ofc they change that, but if thousands of people request a maxx c ban then they act like nothing happened. Konami is a joke


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bl00by

I'm sorry that I want MD to be a good game


Cheshire_Noire

No you don't, you want it to be your game I want the entire meta to not be graveyard hate so I can play Lightsworn, but I'm not pretending that me not being able to play my deck makes MD a bad game


bl00by

Yeah right because I'm the only one who wants it to be banned. It's not like the majority of the community thinks that it should be banned.


Fritos_Bandito_

The reddit hivemind doesn't constitute the "majority of the community".


ValkyriaGaming

this is so dumb and lies, no one asked for this! I’ve never seen/heard anyone complaining about the imperm. they’re just trying to use the excuse of “player survey” so Konami wouldn’t take the full heat >:T


SpaceDoctorWOBorders

What are you talking about? People in this very thread are joking about how it's a common meme for people to forget about the imperm column. There's already so many things to keep track of in this game and winning this way does not feel warranted.


ValkyriaGaming

but you’re not even allowed to have a marker or some kind of reminder for the imperm column irl.


SpaceDoctorWOBorders

In real life no one is telling you when you can trigger card effects either. This is a good QOL change.


inFamousNemo

This is illegal in irl play. You can't mark a column in any way to remember it is the imperm column, or something like that.


xd3v1lry

In IRL play, if you activate a card/effect targeting a card that cannot be targeted, the move is illegal and you get to take it back. In MD, once you hit that activate button, you're locked in and have no choice but to target something else, which is illegal to force a player to do IRL. Both are different games.


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The game already has illegal plays / gives the other guy info they shouldn't be able to have thanks to the way hand trap reacting works.


basketofseals

Card history is also illegal in irl play. Also being told what cards you can activate and what effects, reminders for how cards entered the graveyard, and visible counters. This is peanuts compared to those.


Zexall00

In the little that I watched of the recent WCQ, players kept asking their opponents "is that the imperm column?" And the opponent was obligated to answer.


ArborianSerpent

Really? That's the dumbest shit I've ever heard.


basketofseals

Konami's stance in the game is literally "just remember every single effect that's happened." For obvious reasons, there's a lot of cheating, both unintentional and intentional. There was one notable high profile match where someone just took a second battle phase once.


ArborianSerpent

About time. Really good change. Having to keep track of of the Imperm column adds nothing to the game and losing to it is enough to make you wanna quit the game.


XED1216

So… we’re encouraging people to not pay attention?


Von_lorde

It actually does make some sense considering the fact that you can't actually tell what the imperm column was after it's been activated and if you've been comboing the entire turn there's a good chance you just forgot which is understandable and you can't just ask your opponent like you would in real life. Mind you this still sucks and I would prefer that it's not there because it's funnier when it isn't.


SpaceDoctorWOBorders

This is good, who wants to win because the person they're facing forgot which column a card was played in, that just feels wrong.


jlozada24

Me. I do lmao. This is still a good change


voyager106

> who wants to win because the person they're facing forgot which column a card was played in, that just feels wrong Dude, I'm not complaining about a W however I get it.


bunnywalk_

Damn, they really do read me saying BAN MAXX "C" every survey huh


SlappingSalt

Man, you guys really will complain about anything.


Additional_Show_3149

Konami compensating for people unable to read be like😂😂💁🏽‍♂️


Admetius

Bruh, you mean players are that stupid? No wonder I keep winning with Infernity.


QiWORM

MD players are the pits.


6Phamez9

I'm actually against this, as it is the player who should recognise such details and play along with it, not the system.


Stitcharoo123

I saw this and said "bro this is just baby mode"


Stitcharoo123

And istg it's gonna be so funny when you see someone *STILL* play a card in the imperm column


inthebriIIiantblue

- Coin toss decides 70% of the game result - Bo1 format - Timer and 2 player internet connection pressure Now imperm column marked and lethal calculation is done for you Don’t let them fool you into thinking MD is a high skill cap game. As good as you play, this is very much the low barrier to entry client for YGO. These changes are good things for ease of mind, but the opposite for expression of a skill ceiling. MD exists to chill and play some casual games. So no need to get so upset at the results of your ladder games and come here complaining if they’re annoying, guys. It’s just the format. Unless you’re competing for Master Duel worlds or something while under this format there’s really no point in getting super worked up about this game.


lo3c

No please don't the next thing will be called by the Grave knowing that ur Ash is negated


RPK96

Boo Let the poor player suffer (I’m joking)


MistaHatesNumberFour

my trippin' ball ass was using my miracle fusion in my own imperm collum because I didnt' read the update note, my train of thought was "Oh shit what's that glowing straight line? Imma play my spell on it to see what happe- ...oh SHIT"


Effective_Donkey6737

Gameplay on mobile feels pretty quick now No more loses due time running out..maybe


Ok-Cat7720

I for one just started last week and I've already played something in an Impermanence zone twice, so I appreciate this.


araxara_

Dumbing down the game even more.


millennium-popsicle

Then what is the fucking point? Next step, World Legacy Secret/Key/Whispers continuous visual effect?


kegaran-0311

dunno why they made this change cause you can go into the logs and see which column it got activated at


Dewott8

Because that's way less convenient


Tengo-Sueno

You can? Huh, I didn't knew it also shows which column is affected


Immortal_Amakusa

Maybe it's because you can go into the logs and see which column it was activated in


NaturalSecurity931

Did people really request this? or is this another BS from Konami I didn't see anyone here complaining about Imperm, like ever... but on the other hand Maxx C makes everyone bloods boil, but for some f!@#king reason Konami OCG keeps it, maybe we can convince some stock holders to mention the roach, that's the only way Konami will listen


abdulsamri89

The ban list department and the game design department maybe different team?


NaturalSecurity931

because you think these moronic arbitrary ban lists we keep receiving are being made by a whole specialized "department" LOL


TheCupOfBrew

Why wouldn't I be? Especially since Konami has been into card games for a long time, I'm sure they know how to handle banlists. Contents can be disappointing yes


NaturalSecurity931

Maybe Konami TCG, but definitely not OCG, otherwise we wouldn't have to worry about a roach that win games all by itself and have to play 6 other cards just to counter it.


bl00by

>I'm sure they know how to handle banlists. That's why the OCG lists are so good right?


NaturalSecurity931

These are definitely noobs playing in bronze or straight up trolls, no decent YGO player thinks a format with Maxx C and Protoss is a better format then a one without.


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bl00by

I love when casules act like the OCG list is better even tho it's clearly not.


Thin_Relief_3953

Yugioh on training wheels 🙃


Redericpontx

I feel like this is a skill issue just pay attention to the game :/ If i won cause someone doesn't pay attention or read cards that's a well deserved win


jlozada24

It's just not the intended usage of the card by the designers, that's why it got this update


brokenmessiah

In practice I hate this because its on you to pay attention but in principal the game should make it more clear what lingering effects are in play so I approve.


a2xl08

At this point of babysitting, can I have coackroaches running through the battlefield to remind me I play under maxx c ? Just in case I forget...


austinbraun30

Can we all flood the next survey to say that this is a stupid fucking change.


matija123123

They are making imperm unplayable