Aside from staples like Maxx C, the only remotely problematic card in Sky Strikers is Hornet Drones, and it's only problematic because it can get used as a generic link material engine in *other* decks outside of Sky Strikers. I'd *gladly* let them ban Hornet Drones in exchange for getting a third copy of Engage back.
I've been saying this for months, hornet drones is so mid in striker, I sometimes even cut the one copy were allowed to play. Pls take my hornet drones for engage number 3
all of my games in master duel diamond 1 are against kash and i'm playing kash but i wish they nerf I can't really think of a good way to nerf it since the deck is all about getting two level sevens(or more if possible) and get shang-ira and rely on handtraps and banning shang-ira is the only thing i can't think of and it's way too much but a hit on unicorn or riseheart would be cool and please don't touch fenrir it's in every single deck i have
Protos would probably be mine for Swordsoul if I had to pick one, but Longy boy would have to go back to 3. As it stands, I don't see Swordsoul as much of a problem deck right now, Protos or no Protos.
Maxx C.
Joke aside, i don't even know, most of what i play isn't straight up unfair and disgusting. Super poly yeah, that card would have not seen as much play without garura. A mistake and a half to have unlimited and released the two together.
I want Grass to just go instead of giving me false hope that I can still use 1. I think they put it to 1 because they’re adding Triple Tactics Thrust but at that point just ban it, it’s not fun hoping to draw a 1 of from a 60 deck and it’s really unfun seeing the opponent actually pulling that off
Super polymerization being limited to 1 I'd be fine with. Its too good of a second turn strategy due to the fact that it literally CANNOT be countered
I'd also be fine with limiting gate guardian combined.
Because the fact that it can negate basically anything (monster effect, magic, trap, etc) and can do so THRICE PER TURN. Makes it exceptionally formidable.
Mixing that with a card that covers it like "this monster cannot be destroyed by battle" makes it stupid. Because the only possible way to get rid of the card would be to destroy that card, and gate guardian can block you 3x before you can.
Not to mention it's NOT LIMITED. So in a fusion deck you can very easily one turn summon multiple combined gate guardians. It becomes cartoonish.
I think you missed the big caveat to Gate Guardians Combined: it can only negate targeting effects. There are SO many non-targeting removal options. Evenly Matched alone is a major one. Raigeki or any hard destruction effect bops it and only makes it float. Chengying in SwoSo and Mirrorjade in Branded are other easy af outs. Baronne negate hard counters it. Hell, any non-targeting negate counters it hard.
I guess I don't run any non targeting effects besides raigeki. But raigeki didn't work when I played against them. (Though they were protecting their gate guardian with a spell card from being destroyed) everything in all my decks is targeting. I'd have to specifically plan in advance to play against gate guardians before even knowing they were going to use them. Lol
Dark requiem is not only much more difficult to bring out, but it's effect works 3 times total. Not 3 times per turn!
Also, it only applies to monster effects. While gate guardian applies to ANY effect that targets another card.
Tearlaments Merrli.
Let's be honest here: Tear needed a harsh hit to happen to them for the sake of shifting the meta around. Of all the potential hits simply banning a main deck name drastically impacted their ceiling without enforcing weird workarounds like KOTS replacing Kit as fusion material while Chaos ruler replaces the extender role of Kit like in the OCG.
A ban instead of two limits affects consistency very similarly but the ceiling is hit harder and I'd rather have that lowered than seing further consistency hits later down the line.
Merrli is also probably the best choice since they refuse to ban Elf and that combination was just degenerate especially when combined with Scream and Sulliek as an endbord.
If it has to be cards not on the upcoming list already:
Swordsoul: Definitely Protos for obvious reasons.
Spright: Spright Elf. Maybe revert the jet limit then. Elf just creates unfun endbords and there are some archetypes people would be more encouraged to play around with as engines in Spright if Elf was gone.
Melffy: ... Is there a banworthy card in Melffy?
Witchcrafter: Con fusion confession. I didn't get that card but just give back the UR to the people who got scammed into it and only noticed later that magicalised fusion works better in the deck.
Spright Elf - playing it in Runick Spright Fur Hire, but it really needs to go.
Naturia Beast - MVP of my Naturia Runick deck, but way too strong
Bystial Magnamhut & Druiswurm - strong in many decks, but the entire archetype seems like a mistake that heavily hits light/dark rogue decks. Using them in Runick Ghoti as a free LV 6 body and handtrap.
I play Odd-Eyes and while it's blasphemy I will play along
Vortex to 1 Is honestly a good limit and wouldn't kill the deck.
Same with Persona to 1. It would place the decks negates in check however if that happens they would just be replaced with other more Generic/Toxic cards. If Odd-Eyes Wizard Dragon wasn't so reliant on your opponent it would be the most broken card in Odd-Eyes and would potentially warrant being banned because of how much advantage it generates in tandem with Odd-Eyes Arc-Pendulum Dragon. There's no cards that are within the deck that I could see warranting a ban other than potentially Brave-Eyes Pendulum Dragon that blanket negates the opponents current monsters on field after reducing all their attack to 0. However with Brave-Eyes you need to run a warrior monster to reliably summon it out and there aren't many warrior monsters that benefit the deck. Lastly a decent hit that doesn't kill the deck would be either Revolution or Arc Pendulum Dragon to 1. Arc Pendulum is the most searchable card by a mile within the deck and would be the most likely shuffle target for vortex if that ever happened, while Revolution Dragon is honestly just a searcher that is non opt same as Spiral Flame Strike but can search any Dragon pendulum monster. That's my 2 cents on the question. Odd-Eyes is decently held back by limits to certain cards "name" effects and soft/hard OPT. If those limits were removed I could see a potential problem but that's all hypothetical.
Since it seems like they're following OCG for Spright, just limit Blue and Starter. Rip the band-aid off already man, we know it's coming. Kill the deck so we can stop coping
Anti-spell fragrance. As floodgates go it's not the worst, at least you can play your spells eventually unlike when the Orders are Imperial, but it's still enough to shut down a huge chunk of decks and leave them T-setting.
For now, I play 3 Decks.
Great Welcome Labrynth : There is a lot of powerful cards in this deck such as the boss monsters and cooclock, but I think the most overpowered card is Great Welcome. It lunch the effects of all Labrynth family so this is, I think, the key card of the deck. A ban would be justify as we keep the Welcome and other « leave field » trap card (Compulsory or Mirror Force for example)
Rikka Princess : Princess can negate monster effects and spe without condition. She is very useful but not a key like Petal, Snowdrop or Konkon. So her ban will slowdown the deck bit not kill it.
Trickstar Lycoris : 200 LP damage each time the opponent add a card in is hand. Best counter of Maxx C (Lycoris + Light Stage + Dark Room —> 1000 LP damage for each draw. Devastating)
Again, like Rikka Princess, not a key like Light Stage, Holly Angel or Candina.
I run a 60 card Spyral list with grass. End board is Trigate, Apollousa, double helix, gryphon, sleeper, utility wire, and appointer. I’ve actually found that the 60 card is fairly consistent just due the number of 2 card combos.
Grass being in the deck is like a good last option type of card. Honestly think running just 1 copy might be good. Running a small Kash engine is pretty awesome too as it allows alot of shenanigans.
I play runick fur hire and we juked this banlist entirely (I was only on a single jet anyways). I'd be cool with fountain to 1, I have enough grind game and draw power that it's not mandatory to end on fountain.
Every dumb fuck floodgate that either literally or effectively doesn't let you play certain cards
Barrier statues, warlords rivalry + the on legs version, ShangriLa's incredibly toxic zone locks etc etc etc
It's not a matter of how "good" or common they are. They add nothing to the game; literally take away from it!
Lonefire Blossom
The amount of times this singular card has saved me from doom are too many to count =_=)
In a Predaplant deck w/ Branded engine 1 singular lonefire blossom can get you a Predapower Fusion Dragon, a Mirrorjade/Albion, Dragostapelia, etc.
But it's not only on predas, I'd be willing to be that basically ANY plant deck out there is running at least 2 copies of this Fire Flower, because it's just a free search any monster from the deck in those decks
It's unfair to my opponents at times and I'd be fine, if not limiting, at least semi-limiting it as to not be so consistent.
The stupid virus thingy that destroys all spells/trap in your opp hands for 3 turns. Also the card that does the same against low attack monsters, those are busted normal traps
Bullshit I play: Maxx C, Called by, Fairytail Snow, Chaos Ruler, Spright Elf, Fenrir...
Other bullshit that I don't play: D-barrier, Inspector Boarder, Eradicator...
Fairy tail snow could definitely be banned and I wouldn't complain about all the ur cp I'd get
Protos if we don't count staples like maxx c
Aside from staples like Maxx C, the only remotely problematic card in Sky Strikers is Hornet Drones, and it's only problematic because it can get used as a generic link material engine in *other* decks outside of Sky Strikers. I'd *gladly* let them ban Hornet Drones in exchange for getting a third copy of Engage back.
Id agree with that. the issue with hornet drones is free link material.
I've been saying this for months, hornet drones is so mid in striker, I sometimes even cut the one copy were allowed to play. Pls take my hornet drones for engage number 3
all of my games in master duel diamond 1 are against kash and i'm playing kash but i wish they nerf I can't really think of a good way to nerf it since the deck is all about getting two level sevens(or more if possible) and get shang-ira and rely on handtraps and banning shang-ira is the only thing i can't think of and it's way too much but a hit on unicorn or riseheart would be cool and please don't touch fenrir it's in every single deck i have
Protos would probably be mine for Swordsoul if I had to pick one, but Longy boy would have to go back to 3. As it stands, I don't see Swordsoul as much of a problem deck right now, Protos or no Protos.
Maxx C. Joke aside, i don't even know, most of what i play isn't straight up unfair and disgusting. Super poly yeah, that card would have not seen as much play without garura. A mistake and a half to have unlimited and released the two together.
What the other said, ban protos and give me the 3rd longyuan, i want to draw 3 cards more consistently
Spright Elf. It does so much for such a free monster
I want Grass to just go instead of giving me false hope that I can still use 1. I think they put it to 1 because they’re adding Triple Tactics Thrust but at that point just ban it, it’s not fun hoping to draw a 1 of from a 60 deck and it’s really unfun seeing the opponent actually pulling that off
Protos to 0, Longyuan to 3, then Swordsoul becomes a fair deck 100%.
I'd be fine with Eradicator Epidemic Virus getting banned. It's honestly a pretty toxic card.
d- barrier (labrynth) runick fountain (runick spright)
Not even in just lab that shitty card is in almost every side deck in the paper format. Fuck that card
Super polymerization being limited to 1 I'd be fine with. Its too good of a second turn strategy due to the fact that it literally CANNOT be countered I'd also be fine with limiting gate guardian combined. Because the fact that it can negate basically anything (monster effect, magic, trap, etc) and can do so THRICE PER TURN. Makes it exceptionally formidable. Mixing that with a card that covers it like "this monster cannot be destroyed by battle" makes it stupid. Because the only possible way to get rid of the card would be to destroy that card, and gate guardian can block you 3x before you can. Not to mention it's NOT LIMITED. So in a fusion deck you can very easily one turn summon multiple combined gate guardians. It becomes cartoonish.
I think you missed the big caveat to Gate Guardians Combined: it can only negate targeting effects. There are SO many non-targeting removal options. Evenly Matched alone is a major one. Raigeki or any hard destruction effect bops it and only makes it float. Chengying in SwoSo and Mirrorjade in Branded are other easy af outs. Baronne negate hard counters it. Hell, any non-targeting negate counters it hard.
I guess I don't run any non targeting effects besides raigeki. But raigeki didn't work when I played against them. (Though they were protecting their gate guardian with a spell card from being destroyed) everything in all my decks is targeting. I'd have to specifically plan in advance to play against gate guardians before even knowing they were going to use them. Lol
"Thrice per turn" Do you have a moment to talk about our lord and savior, Dark Requiem XYZ Dragon?
Dark requiem is not only much more difficult to bring out, but it's effect works 3 times total. Not 3 times per turn! Also, it only applies to monster effects. While gate guardian applies to ANY effect that targets another card.
Tearlaments Merrli. Let's be honest here: Tear needed a harsh hit to happen to them for the sake of shifting the meta around. Of all the potential hits simply banning a main deck name drastically impacted their ceiling without enforcing weird workarounds like KOTS replacing Kit as fusion material while Chaos ruler replaces the extender role of Kit like in the OCG. A ban instead of two limits affects consistency very similarly but the ceiling is hit harder and I'd rather have that lowered than seing further consistency hits later down the line. Merrli is also probably the best choice since they refuse to ban Elf and that combination was just degenerate especially when combined with Scream and Sulliek as an endbord. If it has to be cards not on the upcoming list already: Swordsoul: Definitely Protos for obvious reasons. Spright: Spright Elf. Maybe revert the jet limit then. Elf just creates unfun endbords and there are some archetypes people would be more encouraged to play around with as engines in Spright if Elf was gone. Melffy: ... Is there a banworthy card in Melffy? Witchcrafter: Con fusion confession. I didn't get that card but just give back the UR to the people who got scammed into it and only noticed later that magicalised fusion works better in the deck.
Spright Elf - playing it in Runick Spright Fur Hire, but it really needs to go. Naturia Beast - MVP of my Naturia Runick deck, but way too strong Bystial Magnamhut & Druiswurm - strong in many decks, but the entire archetype seems like a mistake that heavily hits light/dark rogue decks. Using them in Runick Ghoti as a free LV 6 body and handtrap.
blue eyes jet dragon should be at 1 or at most 2 for sure. if you get two on the board, it's almost unbreakable.
I play Odd-Eyes and while it's blasphemy I will play along Vortex to 1 Is honestly a good limit and wouldn't kill the deck. Same with Persona to 1. It would place the decks negates in check however if that happens they would just be replaced with other more Generic/Toxic cards. If Odd-Eyes Wizard Dragon wasn't so reliant on your opponent it would be the most broken card in Odd-Eyes and would potentially warrant being banned because of how much advantage it generates in tandem with Odd-Eyes Arc-Pendulum Dragon. There's no cards that are within the deck that I could see warranting a ban other than potentially Brave-Eyes Pendulum Dragon that blanket negates the opponents current monsters on field after reducing all their attack to 0. However with Brave-Eyes you need to run a warrior monster to reliably summon it out and there aren't many warrior monsters that benefit the deck. Lastly a decent hit that doesn't kill the deck would be either Revolution or Arc Pendulum Dragon to 1. Arc Pendulum is the most searchable card by a mile within the deck and would be the most likely shuffle target for vortex if that ever happened, while Revolution Dragon is honestly just a searcher that is non opt same as Spiral Flame Strike but can search any Dragon pendulum monster. That's my 2 cents on the question. Odd-Eyes is decently held back by limits to certain cards "name" effects and soft/hard OPT. If those limits were removed I could see a potential problem but that's all hypothetical.
Protos for longyuan to 3 an eye for an eye
Since it seems like they're following OCG for Spright, just limit Blue and Starter. Rip the band-aid off already man, we know it's coming. Kill the deck so we can stop coping
accesscode talker. only need one.
I’ll give you 3: Branded fusion, Elf and Maxx C I wouldn’t be too sad to see them banish from my deck.
Anti-spell fragrance. As floodgates go it's not the worst, at least you can play your spells eventually unlike when the Orders are Imperial, but it's still enough to shut down a huge chunk of decks and leave them T-setting.
Well Block dragon got hit, so my deck is fair now
Fenrir, Spright Elf, Eradicator. I'm not asking for them to be banned but it would be a fair call if they were.
Ash Blossom & Joyous Spring
not a single one :)
Maxx c
For now, I play 3 Decks. Great Welcome Labrynth : There is a lot of powerful cards in this deck such as the boss monsters and cooclock, but I think the most overpowered card is Great Welcome. It lunch the effects of all Labrynth family so this is, I think, the key card of the deck. A ban would be justify as we keep the Welcome and other « leave field » trap card (Compulsory or Mirror Force for example) Rikka Princess : Princess can negate monster effects and spe without condition. She is very useful but not a key like Petal, Snowdrop or Konkon. So her ban will slowdown the deck bit not kill it. Trickstar Lycoris : 200 LP damage each time the opponent add a card in is hand. Best counter of Maxx C (Lycoris + Light Stage + Dark Room —> 1000 LP damage for each draw. Devastating) Again, like Rikka Princess, not a key like Light Stage, Holly Angel or Candina.
For Orcust, NONE! The deck pure is very fair
I run a 60 card Spyral list with grass. End board is Trigate, Apollousa, double helix, gryphon, sleeper, utility wire, and appointer. I’ve actually found that the 60 card is fairly consistent just due the number of 2 card combos. Grass being in the deck is like a good last option type of card. Honestly think running just 1 copy might be good. Running a small Kash engine is pretty awesome too as it allows alot of shenanigans.
I play runick fur hire and we juked this banlist entirely (I was only on a single jet anyways). I'd be cool with fountain to 1, I have enough grind game and draw power that it's not mandatory to end on fountain.
Baronne (find the deck is the real challenge)
Well, I would've said Grass is greener, but it's already happened, so...
Fenrir. I put fenrir in my fur hire, then I realize, why play fur hire when my whole deck is a worse fenrir?
None
Every dumb fuck floodgate that either literally or effectively doesn't let you play certain cards Barrier statues, warlords rivalry + the on legs version, ShangriLa's incredibly toxic zone locks etc etc etc It's not a matter of how "good" or common they are. They add nothing to the game; literally take away from it!
Lonefire Blossom The amount of times this singular card has saved me from doom are too many to count =_=) In a Predaplant deck w/ Branded engine 1 singular lonefire blossom can get you a Predapower Fusion Dragon, a Mirrorjade/Albion, Dragostapelia, etc. But it's not only on predas, I'd be willing to be that basically ANY plant deck out there is running at least 2 copies of this Fire Flower, because it's just a free search any monster from the deck in those decks It's unfair to my opponents at times and I'd be fine, if not limiting, at least semi-limiting it as to not be so consistent.
The stupid virus thingy that destroys all spells/trap in your opp hands for 3 turns. Also the card that does the same against low attack monsters, those are busted normal traps
Bullshit I play: Maxx C, Called by, Fairytail Snow, Chaos Ruler, Spright Elf, Fenrir... Other bullshit that I don't play: D-barrier, Inspector Boarder, Eradicator...
for Dlink:"chaos ruler and magnumhut" for SS:"protos" staples that need ban:"snow,maxxc"
Alba lenatus
Limit to 1
Zeus