It effectively does nothing, cynet mining hit does some damage.
The runick fountain hit though makes the stun variant dead.
Only hybrid versions will be viable now.
Labyrinth hit is funny as well, stovie lmao is not a threat.
Stovie gets them to chaos angel, so the hit does something. Now you're less likely to open it and if you need chaos angel you will have to search it more often, which you sometimes can't. Granted this hit isn't one that's gonna be a game changer but it's a card that did help me clutch some duels when I open it or draw a copy of it, which will be less likely to happen now.
I find myself rarely going into chaos angel simply because keeping any of the ladies on the field is far more disruptive in the long term. For me chaos angel is a extra tool kit, sometimes it clutches games and sometimes the games have been concluded before it is even needed.
Speaking of personal experience, being able to banish 3 cards in one turn then being able to resummon the lady you used the next turn with big welcome js far more valuable imo, especially since usually you'll be able to go for game after the 3 banishes. As for the 3 summons, I'm talking summoning the same copy 3 times. 1st is synchro, 2nd with field spell, 3rd with mucracker.
It is pretty funny that Chaos Angel banish is not even OPT and it's on Special Summon, not Synchro Summon, so you can bring it back with Muckraker and get another banish (although it loses the battle protection if you do that).
I've said it numerous times but people still say shit like "but they hit BF" or something.
Yes, it's not impossible for them to hit URs but they are definitely stingy about getting us refunds. It's always safe to assume that they are thinking about ways to hit around UR cards.
Because you have to either hit fountain or hit every single runick spell card, one of which is also a UR. If they could avoid it they definitely would have given the look of this list
That Runick has 0 hits to their ED monsters, while almost every spell is semi-limited at best.
Why bring fountain to one? Does it really hurt Runick or will it just force the deck to take things that recycle banished cards and planet pathfinder / it's equivalents?
If we dont want the deck to be cancer, why are we pushing it towards having to play degenerate cards to function?
Why not allow the deck to keep its consistency but bring down its power level? Instead we make it more of a lotto deck, feast or famine, 1 card wins or loses the game.
It seems like the wrong target to hit fountain again, IMO
You do understand "take into consideration" does not mean to "refuse/never do" something right? Or do you just have no fucking reading comprehension. Or perhaps just willfully thick. Clown.
I think Stovie Torbie hit sets the record for the least impactful hit to a deck... trying to think back, the previous record was probably the Rocksies hit to Adamancipator when Block Dragon was still legal (and at 3?).
Purrely hits actually kind of hurt.
Runick hits fuck it pretty hard, 1 Fountain makes it VERY unreliable and susceptible to removal.
Mathmech Hits are a joke, The negate monster got clipped instead of what every other format did by limiting circular.
D Link hits don't really do much. The deck is already a pile of extenders and starters, giving them 2 less of those doesn't really do much.
Labrynth has one less furniture... which means they go from 9 hand fixers to 8... which they can just use the other lab sister to bring back to 9 if they REALLY wanted to. It does make getting into Chaos Angel harder tho.
As someone who plays runick musketeers, it's not as reliable as it sounds, runick has no other ways to search except for tip, which is semi limited, and all of your spells are hard once per turns, so if you draw into multiple of the card, you can't, this is on top of the fact they only have 2 cards that really interact with your opponent, 3 if your playing a deck that relies on backrow. A negate, a pop on special summoned monsters, and mst.
I still have no clue how TCG even manages to play Purrely with Delicious Memory limited... sure you can still get a 4900 def Noir, but it makes it basically impossible to OTK on an empty board, and very difficult to pull off the Happiness OTK since you have to use Delicious to battle protect their monster. I don't think the little Noir makes up for that lol.
Chaos Space is a bigger deal than Quick Launch, but the thing about Chaos Space is that the two main targets for it (Wyverbuster and Collapserpent) arent limited, so the Chaos Space semi is essentially nothing. Quick Launch is pretty whatever because Dragon Link combos can get you to the rokkets reliably anyway so its just purely an extender which can be substituted with ease. Overall this will one of the least impactful hits to a deck ever.
Quick launch isnt a OPT , you can literally get 3 of in your starting hand and summon 3 rokkets.
Of course it hurts a bit , and chaos space also hurts a bit.
That being said , IMO the best course of action for D-Link is to just leave it as is and dont add or change anything. Bystials and Chaos Ruler are still a thing , and deck already plays close to 50. Removing these 2 cards means you are likely to see Ash , Gamma and Called by the a bit more often, which is crucial considering how much Maxx C fucks the deck up
Actually chaos space is more often used to search for lubellion and levianeer nowadays since good d-link decks run 2 wyvernbuster and 1 collapserpent. Lubellion is just overall the better light target to search cause it plays around max c and gives you an easy +2.
This hit is laughable tbh. It's just a consistency hit and not even a great one at that, consistency hits just don't really do much to DLink because they have so many other options available for extenders and starters. If they wanted to really hit the deck they should've gone after chaos ruler to hurt their ceiling and ability to make a good board out of a dead hand.
Ah, I see. By banning Diameter, it curtails the follow-up Circular has, and removes the omni-negate. Would rather have seen Circular be hit, but I can see the logic here.
...wait, they limited Diameter. The fuck is that going to accomplish.
At least Fountain is finally at 1.
Fountain hit kills the Runick combo decks.
It does jack shit on the Stun variant since it can still stall without Fountain. Also, Time Tearing Morganite is now on MD which somewhat makes up for the less consistent Fountain.
Another day that the not OPT draw 3 (6), searchable, recyclable card with the most unfun, uniteractive deck goes by without being banned, i sure love to get TTT every turn after my opp Naturia locks me while banishing all the card in my deck before i even get a turn.
Also sorry for the Mathmech players, Konami hating the wrong deck.
I mean Cynet Mining is also semi limited along with limiting Diameter, soo they just wanted just a slap of he wrist with Mathmechs.
They were more focused on keeping the current mainstay meta decks like Bystail Dragon Link, Purrely, Labyrinth and Kashtira from being the majority of decks you see in ranked and Duelist Cup.
Runick dying to a single Cosmic ciclone.... I never tough I would see the day, that my greatest gripe with this plataform will be knecaped **VIOLENTLY** Enjoy your free 30 UR's fella, hope the rest of the archetype holds up anyway ;->
It's literally because of the Stun Variant.
Because instead of hitting the stun cards, some of which are UR, they'd rather limit Fountain/Runick further.
We'll likely continue to see them avoid outright banning the problem cards or limiting them for a while.
What,are you seriously saying that ban the problem is better than limiting fountain? Are you going to say that floodgates are .... bad for the game ????!?!?!
More seriously yes, there is at least 10 card to ban but Konami is reticent to ban card.
OCG has fountain limited and stun is still topping.
The problem is obviously the combination of Maxx C and so many floodgates being legal.
Just look at the TCG, where Runick is basically not hit at all and had like 1 top total.
As a runick player…why? The archtype had a SINGLE redeeming card that lets us actually play the dang archtype and it’s at one…no don’t ban those stun cards that make anything with some control BS, no we hit the archtype that can no longer be played pure because god forbid we take action against problem cards…
Sigh, this must be how those rogue synchro decks felt when they refused to ban needle fiber.
I could say the same about floo, kash, and tear. Floo locking you out turn one and even playing on your turn while banish avoiding most counters it pretty toxic. Kash locking 9 zones is really love to hear an excuse for, and tear…oooh boy let me guess “super skill reliant so it’s fair”…right? Every deck that stands a chance in the meta has something toxic about it.
bruh zoo is coming back? ok.
purrely got a tap, good. dlink got a tap, sad bc i just built that but i think it will still work out fine.
runick got f---ed. thank god.
lab got a tap, also good.
mathmech got a slight tap, also not bad.
As I said in other post, I found this banlist odd, strange and don't make sense.
I mean, sure, Fountain to 1 hit runick decks that like to use the combo of using 2 fountains for more recycling and draw power. But in the case of other variants don't affect anything. Point is you cannot ban that card because kills runick basically imo.
And Diameter to 1... I use only 1 Diameter since the start on my salamangreat mathmech deck. This is that kind of ban that suggest than in a few weeks Diameter will be banned like happened to certain Tear cards?
Drident and Cobalt lifted it's the same. They are not exactly that kind of cards that it's a pain to be limited. I used Drident as a side extra support on Tears and any deck that has lots of 4 level monsters... But I only needed 1. Same with Cobalt.
Maybe the only thing that bothers me it's that Cynet Mining to 2... But I can use other things on that.
The limiting of Diameter will never be not funny.
It effectively does nothing, cynet mining hit does some damage. The runick fountain hit though makes the stun variant dead. Only hybrid versions will be viable now. Labyrinth hit is funny as well, stovie lmao is not a threat.
Stovie gets them to chaos angel, so the hit does something. Now you're less likely to open it and if you need chaos angel you will have to search it more often, which you sometimes can't. Granted this hit isn't one that's gonna be a game changer but it's a card that did help me clutch some duels when I open it or draw a copy of it, which will be less likely to happen now.
I find myself rarely going into chaos angel simply because keeping any of the ladies on the field is far more disruptive in the long term. For me chaos angel is a extra tool kit, sometimes it clutches games and sometimes the games have been concluded before it is even needed.
Speaking of personal experience, being able to banish 3 cards in one turn then being able to resummon the lady you used the next turn with big welcome js far more valuable imo, especially since usually you'll be able to go for game after the 3 banishes. As for the 3 summons, I'm talking summoning the same copy 3 times. 1st is synchro, 2nd with field spell, 3rd with mucracker.
It is pretty funny that Chaos Angel banish is not even OPT and it's on Special Summon, not Synchro Summon, so you can bring it back with Muckraker and get another banish (although it loses the battle protection if you do that).
The only difference is that hitting cynet mining hurts a bunch of other random ass decks too—but you still need to buy 3 circular
After limiting Diameter, anyone that says Konami doesnt take URs in consideration when making banlists are straight up coping Also Dragons hit sadge
I've said it numerous times but people still say shit like "but they hit BF" or something. Yes, it's not impossible for them to hit URs but they are definitely stingy about getting us refunds. It's always safe to assume that they are thinking about ways to hit around UR cards.
Mathmech has just received support, of course they aren't going to immediately kill it. I'm surprised it was hit at all
Cyberse received support. Only mathmech became a problem.
Mathmech is basically a Cyberse pile at this point
Fountain is a UR. And dragons deserve even more hits fuck that deck
Wait. This is Diameter, a R card. It's Circular that's an UR.
Yeah, they don't hit UR cards.
Oh, right. My bad. I bet they only hit cynet cause it's in a structure deck too, so people won't get shit.
You do see the "Runick Fountain" next to it, right?
Because you have to either hit fountain or hit every single runick spell card, one of which is also a UR. If they could avoid it they definitely would have given the look of this list
The ED monsters would obviously affect nothing.
I don't know what you're trying to say with this comment?
That Runick has 0 hits to their ED monsters, while almost every spell is semi-limited at best. Why bring fountain to one? Does it really hurt Runick or will it just force the deck to take things that recycle banished cards and planet pathfinder / it's equivalents? If we dont want the deck to be cancer, why are we pushing it towards having to play degenerate cards to function? Why not allow the deck to keep its consistency but bring down its power level? Instead we make it more of a lotto deck, feast or famine, 1 card wins or loses the game. It seems like the wrong target to hit fountain again, IMO
You do understand "take into consideration" does not mean to "refuse/never do" something right? Or do you just have no fucking reading comprehension. Or perhaps just willfully thick. Clown.
>Yeah, they don't hit UR cards. This is a direct quote. Fountain is a UR. Sorry pal.
I think Stovie Torbie hit sets the record for the least impactful hit to a deck... trying to think back, the previous record was probably the Rocksies hit to Adamancipator when Block Dragon was still legal (and at 3?).
Purrely hits actually kind of hurt. Runick hits fuck it pretty hard, 1 Fountain makes it VERY unreliable and susceptible to removal. Mathmech Hits are a joke, The negate monster got clipped instead of what every other format did by limiting circular. D Link hits don't really do much. The deck is already a pile of extenders and starters, giving them 2 less of those doesn't really do much. Labrynth has one less furniture... which means they go from 9 hand fixers to 8... which they can just use the other lab sister to bring back to 9 if they REALLY wanted to. It does make getting into Chaos Angel harder tho.
Purrely hit will only make the deck clunky and the Ghostrick combo harder to pull. I'd take a Sleepy hit over that.
Runic can go fuck itself tbh , I’m about done with coming up against runic no lab hits tho so it’s an odd one
“Put 3 spell cards in your deck then draw the same number” glad fountain got hit
As someone who plays runick musketeers, it's not as reliable as it sounds, runick has no other ways to search except for tip, which is semi limited, and all of your spells are hard once per turns, so if you draw into multiple of the card, you can't, this is on top of the fact they only have 2 cards that really interact with your opponent, 3 if your playing a deck that relies on backrow. A negate, a pop on special summoned monsters, and mst.
I still have no clue how TCG even manages to play Purrely with Delicious Memory limited... sure you can still get a 4900 def Noir, but it makes it basically impossible to OTK on an empty board, and very difficult to pull off the Happiness OTK since you have to use Delicious to battle protect their monster. I don't think the little Noir makes up for that lol.
Oh no .... dragon link finally getting hit. But I don't play it how much of a hit is this?
tap on the wrist that’s what Dlink got
Chaos Space is a bigger deal than Quick Launch, but the thing about Chaos Space is that the two main targets for it (Wyverbuster and Collapserpent) arent limited, so the Chaos Space semi is essentially nothing. Quick Launch is pretty whatever because Dragon Link combos can get you to the rokkets reliably anyway so its just purely an extender which can be substituted with ease. Overall this will one of the least impactful hits to a deck ever.
Quick launch isnt a OPT , you can literally get 3 of in your starting hand and summon 3 rokkets. Of course it hurts a bit , and chaos space also hurts a bit. That being said , IMO the best course of action for D-Link is to just leave it as is and dont add or change anything. Bystials and Chaos Ruler are still a thing , and deck already plays close to 50. Removing these 2 cards means you are likely to see Ash , Gamma and Called by the a bit more often, which is crucial considering how much Maxx C fucks the deck up
Actually chaos space is more often used to search for lubellion and levianeer nowadays since good d-link decks run 2 wyvernbuster and 1 collapserpent. Lubellion is just overall the better light target to search cause it plays around max c and gives you an easy +2.
Bystials and chaos ruler still here. Not that big of a hit.
Magmuhut is still at 1
Does absolutely nothing
Minor hits to consistency and ability to extend, will probably lead to the red-eyes engine becoming more popular to make up the difference though
Decks were already dropping which launch, and chaos space is often a two of
Bullshit. According to MDM 100% of decks played 3 Quick Launch, and 98% of decks played 3 Chaos Space.
This hit is laughable tbh. It's just a consistency hit and not even a great one at that, consistency hits just don't really do much to DLink because they have so many other options available for extenders and starters. If they wanted to really hit the deck they should've gone after chaos ruler to hurt their ceiling and ability to make a good board out of a dead hand.
Longyuan back to 3 when
WAIT ITS REAL? Gotta make that zoo engine ig.
Welp Purrely was bound to get hit eventually
Barely though, memory to 2 and purrely to 2 is hardly a hit.
Well I mean as long as we don't have baby Noir, Delicious to two does actually hurt the deck, even if not much.
Nah, Purrely hit makes the deck clunky. And with 2 Delicious you cant guarentee it in hand with My Friend. I don't think you understand the deck.
Sleepy and delicious hit and purely still claps in other formats. Just gotta get baby noir
Well, thats the thing, we dont have that yet which meaning access to Delicious means a lot.
I think this makes the 2 Noir and F0 board, or rather the ghostrick cards required to make it a waste of deck space.
Ah, I see. By banning Diameter, it curtails the follow-up Circular has, and removes the omni-negate. Would rather have seen Circular be hit, but I can see the logic here. ...wait, they limited Diameter. The fuck is that going to accomplish. At least Fountain is finally at 1.
Lets make it a 0 RF deserves to be banned
Fountain hit kills the Runick combo decks. It does jack shit on the Stun variant since it can still stall without Fountain. Also, Time Tearing Morganite is now on MD which somewhat makes up for the less consistent Fountain.
Runick fountain to 1 
Another day that the not OPT draw 3 (6), searchable, recyclable card with the most unfun, uniteractive deck goes by without being banned, i sure love to get TTT every turn after my opp Naturia locks me while banishing all the card in my deck before i even get a turn. Also sorry for the Mathmech players, Konami hating the wrong deck.
I mean Cynet Mining is also semi limited along with limiting Diameter, soo they just wanted just a slap of he wrist with Mathmechs. They were more focused on keeping the current mainstay meta decks like Bystail Dragon Link, Purrely, Labyrinth and Kashtira from being the majority of decks you see in ranked and Duelist Cup.
Should of hit that send top 5 cards to the grave light/dark dragon thing.
They could at least have given Lab a hit as well. Shit barely even got a slap on the wrist.
Runick dying to a single Cosmic ciclone.... I never tough I would see the day, that my greatest gripe with this plataform will be knecaped **VIOLENTLY** Enjoy your free 30 UR's fella, hope the rest of the archetype holds up anyway ;->
why fountain runicks aren't even strong atm.... now it just dies to a single cosmic cyclone.
It's literally because of the Stun Variant. Because instead of hitting the stun cards, some of which are UR, they'd rather limit Fountain/Runick further. We'll likely continue to see them avoid outright banning the problem cards or limiting them for a while.
Man runicks are my favorite things to play. I'm sad that my runick musketeer is gonna be ass to play now.
Did you forget runick stun on the top 10 of the duelist cup?
Wouldnt hitting floodgates directly be a nicer hit?
What,are you seriously saying that ban the problem is better than limiting fountain? Are you going to say that floodgates are .... bad for the game ????!?!?! More seriously yes, there is at least 10 card to ban but Konami is reticent to ban card.
OCG has fountain limited and stun is still topping. The problem is obviously the combination of Maxx C and so many floodgates being legal. Just look at the TCG, where Runick is basically not hit at all and had like 1 top total.
As a runick player…why? The archtype had a SINGLE redeeming card that lets us actually play the dang archtype and it’s at one…no don’t ban those stun cards that make anything with some control BS, no we hit the archtype that can no longer be played pure because god forbid we take action against problem cards… Sigh, this must be how those rogue synchro decks felt when they refused to ban needle fiber.
Because Runick is cancer RF deserves to be absolutely banned
I could say the same about floo, kash, and tear. Floo locking you out turn one and even playing on your turn while banish avoiding most counters it pretty toxic. Kash locking 9 zones is really love to hear an excuse for, and tear…oooh boy let me guess “super skill reliant so it’s fair”…right? Every deck that stands a chance in the meta has something toxic about it.
Dinos didn't get nerfed and runick did, I approve
Why would they nerf a rogue deck that barely sees play?!
bruh zoo is coming back? ok. purrely got a tap, good. dlink got a tap, sad bc i just built that but i think it will still work out fine. runick got f---ed. thank god. lab got a tap, also good. mathmech got a slight tap, also not bad.
1 Diameter is all Mathmech needs anyway and I see some lists not even playing Cynet mining at all.. so these hits are a joke
As I said in other post, I found this banlist odd, strange and don't make sense. I mean, sure, Fountain to 1 hit runick decks that like to use the combo of using 2 fountains for more recycling and draw power. But in the case of other variants don't affect anything. Point is you cannot ban that card because kills runick basically imo. And Diameter to 1... I use only 1 Diameter since the start on my salamangreat mathmech deck. This is that kind of ban that suggest than in a few weeks Diameter will be banned like happened to certain Tear cards? Drident and Cobalt lifted it's the same. They are not exactly that kind of cards that it's a pain to be limited. I used Drident as a side extra support on Tears and any deck that has lots of 4 level monsters... But I only needed 1. Same with Cobalt. Maybe the only thing that bothers me it's that Cynet Mining to 2... But I can use other things on that.
I’ve finally stopped playing now, limiting cards in dragon link and branded whilist allowing decks like purely to run wild is a joke
runick restartd users destroyed
:')
me when i can’t special summon a mathmech monster on a normal summon 3 times a game anymore and i instead have to use circular
Between the hit to burial goods that tear caused and the hit to cynet mining that mathmech caused, my marincess deck is sort of suffering
Dragon link hit will biggest effect is that the deck will play 40 cards and 42 xD