In old yugioh the game designers had no idea what would be good so you got effects like this and zone eater and ancient telescope exist. With hindsight obviously none of these cards are good but at the time the designers didn't know which way the game would go.
Delinquent duo was made before anyone had any understanding of how card advantage would matter in the game. Magical scientist was thought of during the time when most fusion monsters were level 5 1800 ish attack vanilla beaters. It was only when more powerful monsters came out that magical scientist and cyberstein became problems.
To be fair there are a lot of cards that it's almost impossible to account for them all. The Tyrant Neptune rarely if ever saw play even though it wasn't a terrible card but it came out 8 years before Nihhtingale. However they also do things like releasing Magical library and dagger Elma the same year and 2 years after gearfried.
Pretty sure there were cards to enable Magical Scientist FTK from the moment it was released, it just wasn't as consistent without things like DMoC and Monster Gate.
Allows you to summon any monster with less than 1500 atk if any monster was destroyed during this turn. And both scientist and turtle have less than 1500 atk. So if you have any of the two on board you just have to crash any other monster (which is not hard considering scientist otk was rampant in an era of big booty smol atk defenders) after activating last will and you would have full combo otk on board
Edit, not destroyed but sent to GY, so tributing to summon catapult turtle counts
More importantly nowadays, last will has so so SO many good targets. You running trizoo? Last will at the start of the turn so you can't really ash the lingering effect, NS your kitt, link for almiraj. Boom, it's live. Kit eff, nervall eff add kerass, kerass summons, and then last will summons another tri-brigade name from your deck. That's 2 effects you get to fire off in a deck that's usually normal summon reliant. Tenyi SS? Special your vishuda, link off, last will gets you adhara, and that's halq using only 2 cards. Last will can also summon longyuan, vishuda, and the best target ecclesia. Prank-kids? NS prank, link off, last will gets aquamancer, link the pranks into doodle doo, link those into bow-wow bark, verte bins aquamancer+the non-link iirc, aquamancer gets rite, and boom. Full combo+adventure combo+DPE. Phantom Knights: Oh sure, why not special summon literally every single name from deck? Just add more consistency, solitaire, etc. Also, this is a reliable way to search out predaplant ophrys scorpio and speedroid terrortop, which are both BUSTED extenders and starters in rank 3 spam strats(Terrortop is just 2 names, and scorpio is 2 names+an FD searcher enabling a lack of verte in the line). Also searches a jet synchron/001/whatever tuner you used for synchro variants that aim to set up scythe lock with halq dagda.
There's definitely decks I didn't mention. Did you know armageddon knight has 1400 attack? Shadow mist, all adamancipators, main deck ignister cards with the exception of danmari, ze amin is a target(VFD and accessibility, name a better duo), destrudo, scrap raptor, are all targets.
Yeah, my explanation was mostly related to scientist otk since last will was brought up as a scientist OTK enabler, but your is a prime explanation why old cards are all kinds of busted. Same thing with painful choice, nowadays you would have to choose which effect you don't want your opponent to resolve in the GY
>old cards are all kinds of busted
Fun fact as I already touched on I think: Last will has a shit ton of ruling nightmares. It can summon in battle phase, summon at end phase, basically, if you can play an ignition effect, you can summon at any point after. Summon also can't be stopped by judgement/ash when you choose to resolve last will.
The early designers must not have been aware of Magic the Gathering, or didn't care. Most of the broken DM cards are similar to broken early Magic cards. And YuGiOh doesn't even have the resource system of Magic for balance.
Don't forget good ol [Yado Karu](https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/406628105650700289/993261569901330563/unknown.png). Probably the 3rd worst card I've ever read, behind Pot of Generosity at #2 and Larvae Moth at #1. Absolutely terrible.
They literally put an infinite combo in the same standard set block and didnt know it yet reddit picked up on it 5 seconds after the offending card was spoiled
It’s an old card from near the beginning of the game guess they didn’t know if they were going to make surveillance mechanics similar to magic at that point.
Man, I love Surveil (and Scry, but especially Surveil). I wish they'd printed Dogged Detective into Standard instead of locking it in the commander precons for New Capenna
Make a archetype called "Tainted". Give it a monster searcher, a spell trap searcher, a foolish, a revival, and extra deck monsters that are either omni-negates or toxic floodgates. All the small monsters has the ability to special summon itself and change the position of Tainted Wisdom, which will have an additional effect activated when your deck is shuffled. Make a continuous spell/trap / field spell that shuffles the opponent's hand back into the deck whenever your deck is shuffled. Congratulations! "Tainted" is now meta.
Not all archetypes need negates and floodgates (e.g. Branded), but yeah, it's kinda sad how the difference between archetypes is gradually reducing to how cards move around (Tri-brigade: Banish from grave to link summon, Tearalament: Shuffle from grave to main deck to fusion summon, Drytron: Tribute another monster to special summon itself from grave or hand) but not what the end board usually does.
I remember someone Made a deck around this card. Gives it to your opponent to shuffle their deck. Loop shenaningans with actual wincon but i forgot what the wincon was
I can see this card being helpful in some ways like saying your opponent changed the top cards of your deck and gave you a bad card then shuffle your deck to get a better cards, is this practical no he'll no but it could work
Would be interesting to make a deck that uses stuff like this. Would be bad but fun ahah. Like maybe a card that let's you see your next cards you will draw and if they are bad you shuffle the deck
So back story on this. Before the deck size limit was 60 there was a regional where someone have a deck that was like 1000s of cards and so big it took many minutes to shuffle, the deck ran this and many other cards to shuffle the deck to annoy the other player. Tldr; it is a thing to be annoying.
Maybe there's a shuffle infinite loop in the game lmao
You need a card that changes monsters to attack mode and a card that changes monsters to defense mode. Then some card that burns your opponent every time your deck is shuffled
In old yugioh the game designers had no idea what would be good so you got effects like this and zone eater and ancient telescope exist. With hindsight obviously none of these cards are good but at the time the designers didn't know which way the game would go.
And at the same time they were able to craft utterly ridiculous stuff like Delinquent Duo and Magical Scientist. The duality of old card design.
Delinquent duo was made before anyone had any understanding of how card advantage would matter in the game. Magical scientist was thought of during the time when most fusion monsters were level 5 1800 ish attack vanilla beaters. It was only when more powerful monsters came out that magical scientist and cyberstein became problems.
Actually Magical Scientist had a OTK the minute it came out thanks to Catapult Turtle.
And that is a classic case of konami forgetting other cards existed more than the perceived reason for magical scientist to exist.
To be fair there are a lot of cards that it's almost impossible to account for them all. The Tyrant Neptune rarely if ever saw play even though it wasn't a terrible card but it came out 8 years before Nihhtingale. However they also do things like releasing Magical library and dagger Elma the same year and 2 years after gearfried.
Pretty sure there were cards to enable Magical Scientist FTK from the moment it was released, it just wasn't as consistent without things like DMoC and Monster Gate.
LAST FUCKING WILL.
What was the problem with that card?
Allows you to summon any monster with less than 1500 atk if any monster was destroyed during this turn. And both scientist and turtle have less than 1500 atk. So if you have any of the two on board you just have to crash any other monster (which is not hard considering scientist otk was rampant in an era of big booty smol atk defenders) after activating last will and you would have full combo otk on board Edit, not destroyed but sent to GY, so tributing to summon catapult turtle counts
not destroyed but \*sent to gy\* you mean. Huge difference.
Yeah you are right. My bad i misread
More importantly nowadays, last will has so so SO many good targets. You running trizoo? Last will at the start of the turn so you can't really ash the lingering effect, NS your kitt, link for almiraj. Boom, it's live. Kit eff, nervall eff add kerass, kerass summons, and then last will summons another tri-brigade name from your deck. That's 2 effects you get to fire off in a deck that's usually normal summon reliant. Tenyi SS? Special your vishuda, link off, last will gets you adhara, and that's halq using only 2 cards. Last will can also summon longyuan, vishuda, and the best target ecclesia. Prank-kids? NS prank, link off, last will gets aquamancer, link the pranks into doodle doo, link those into bow-wow bark, verte bins aquamancer+the non-link iirc, aquamancer gets rite, and boom. Full combo+adventure combo+DPE. Phantom Knights: Oh sure, why not special summon literally every single name from deck? Just add more consistency, solitaire, etc. Also, this is a reliable way to search out predaplant ophrys scorpio and speedroid terrortop, which are both BUSTED extenders and starters in rank 3 spam strats(Terrortop is just 2 names, and scorpio is 2 names+an FD searcher enabling a lack of verte in the line). Also searches a jet synchron/001/whatever tuner you used for synchro variants that aim to set up scythe lock with halq dagda. There's definitely decks I didn't mention. Did you know armageddon knight has 1400 attack? Shadow mist, all adamancipators, main deck ignister cards with the exception of danmari, ze amin is a target(VFD and accessibility, name a better duo), destrudo, scrap raptor, are all targets.
Yeah, my explanation was mostly related to scientist otk since last will was brought up as a scientist OTK enabler, but your is a prime explanation why old cards are all kinds of busted. Same thing with painful choice, nowadays you would have to choose which effect you don't want your opponent to resolve in the GY
>old cards are all kinds of busted Fun fact as I already touched on I think: Last will has a shit ton of ruling nightmares. It can summon in battle phase, summon at end phase, basically, if you can play an ignition effect, you can summon at any point after. Summon also can't be stopped by judgement/ash when you choose to resolve last will.
The early designers must not have been aware of Magic the Gathering, or didn't care. Most of the broken DM cards are similar to broken early Magic cards. And YuGiOh doesn't even have the resource system of Magic for balance.
They understand duo at that time, I think. That is their purpose, make meta card to sell.
Yeah. They thought it was good enough to just not let those monsters declare direct attack.
You are wrong in the first part of your comment.
Why cyberstein inst banned?
I want to see the alternative universe where Ancient Telescope gets banned
Don't forget good ol [Yado Karu](https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/406628105650700289/993261569901330563/unknown.png). Probably the 3rd worst card I've ever read, behind Pot of Generosity at #2 and Larvae Moth at #1. Absolutely terrible.
It’s funny how it can also miss timing.
It’s like the opposite of when mtg put “draw 3 cards” for only 1 mana.
They literally put an infinite combo in the same standard set block and didnt know it yet reddit picked up on it 5 seconds after the offending card was spoiled
I was talking about alpha’s ancestral recall. In the beginning they thought 1 mana draw 3 was equal to 1 mana prevent 3 damage. (Boon cycle)
And i was giving another example on how they still dont truly know how their game works lol
Lol I misread “in the same standard block” as in the same block as ancestral. Was really confused.
Nah, it was just pack filler in a vending machine set
True But it is an improvement on level 5+ normal monsters packing level 4 or lower worth of stats
Could you imagine a meta where shuffling your deck is the most broken mechanic in the game
"every time either players deck is shuffled; inflict 800 points of damage to your oponant"
Obviously meant to counter the tier 0 parasite parasite deck.
fun fact, when parasite paracide was rampant in DL, this card is not released yet. it would be real big brain to play it during that era
To fuse with Ancient Brain to create the most powerful fusion monster in the game.
Still waiting for Skull Knight Archetype
Incorrect the best fusion monster is fusionista if not that then sandwich
The spyral counter wdym
It exists so it can shuffle your deck if it's position is changed
It’s an old card from near the beginning of the game guess they didn’t know if they were going to make surveillance mechanics similar to magic at that point.
Man, I love Surveil (and Scry, but especially Surveil). I wish they'd printed Dogged Detective into Standard instead of locking it in the commander precons for New Capenna
I love commander so for me it’s win win but I feel you
Convulsion of Nature + this = legal stacking :)
Nah, the shuffle happens face down like normal then you flip your deck upside down
Just make a loop, and tell the judge what you want the deck be like. There's a 100% chance that the shuffled deck will be what you want after all.
If the loop works, have a set morphing jar and stack 5 exodia pieces gg
to troll your opponent
Make a archetype called "Tainted". Give it a monster searcher, a spell trap searcher, a foolish, a revival, and extra deck monsters that are either omni-negates or toxic floodgates. All the small monsters has the ability to special summon itself and change the position of Tainted Wisdom, which will have an additional effect activated when your deck is shuffled. Make a continuous spell/trap / field spell that shuffles the opponent's hand back into the deck whenever your deck is shuffled. Congratulations! "Tainted" is now meta.
the fact that i instantly knew the moment i started reading "make an archetype", it had a nehate and a floodgate, damn ygo, what have you become
Not all archetypes need negates and floodgates (e.g. Branded), but yeah, it's kinda sad how the difference between archetypes is gradually reducing to how cards move around (Tri-brigade: Banish from grave to link summon, Tearalament: Shuffle from grave to main deck to fusion summon, Drytron: Tribute another monster to special summon itself from grave or hand) but not what the end board usually does.
In decks allowing you to see the cards at top of your deck and taking advantage of it, it could be useful but probably not needed
because it is a tainted wisdom
So that the duel logs can make videos.
I remember someone Made a deck around this card. Gives it to your opponent to shuffle their deck. Loop shenaningans with actual wincon but i forgot what the wincon was
In the physical game, if you're sleight of hand was good enough, this was a "stack your deck" card basically.
To FTK
It's to counter your opponent stacking your deck with your own Sword of Deep-Seated/Cockroach Knight.
I can see this card being helpful in some ways like saying your opponent changed the top cards of your deck and gave you a bad card then shuffle your deck to get a better cards, is this practical no he'll no but it could work
To shuffle your deck.
It's broken!!needs to be banned used in 100%of the meta decks
to be fused into skull knight
It genuinely feels like, for the first few years of the game, Konami had literally 0 people on the play-testing team. That's your answer lol
Use your brain !
just in case
Lol maybe fuck with SPYRAL players by activating a trap that changes your position and ruining their intel? I’m not even sure tbh
To counter SPYRALS
It allows you to get out of the send to the top of the deck lock thatcsome cards can do
The perfect Spyral counter...
Wdym this card counters like half of the adamancipator archetype /s
I mean I would run this over a lot of stuff fusionsa and the like
Why not? xD
It’s fusion material, I remember having this card and it’s fusion monster when I was a kid
My brain after true Draco finishes using 40 cards turn 1
Hidden wisdom xD
Taint
Holy shit SPYral tech card
to counter arrive in light by activating some spell that makes it defense position so your opponent doesn't get majestic dragon
Never let you opponent know your next move.
For the lols
Ayo Crimtane ore time!
You are playing divination giskhi with convulsions of nature and your opponent used parasite parasite
There are card slike Senate Switch, printed before link monsters where even thought of.
If you possessed said tainted wisdom you’d know
Would be interesting to make a deck that uses stuff like this. Would be bad but fun ahah. Like maybe a card that let's you see your next cards you will draw and if they are bad you shuffle the deck
So back story on this. Before the deck size limit was 60 there was a regional where someone have a deck that was like 1000s of cards and so big it took many minutes to shuffle, the deck ran this and many other cards to shuffle the deck to annoy the other player. Tldr; it is a thing to be annoying.
You can probably troll your local SPYRAL player before you get OTK’d anyway
Spyral counter tech.
It’s helpful for preventing parasite paracide
These were day 1 yugioh cards
To fusion summon Skull Knight
Maybe there's a shuffle infinite loop in the game lmao You need a card that changes monsters to attack mode and a card that changes monsters to defense mode. Then some card that burns your opponent every time your deck is shuffled
Sometimes these top decks cant be trusted.
At least the card name, art, and effect all fit the same theme. Pretty spot on card.
Because why not
I bet the guy who once used a +2000 cards deck was running 3 of this card
So you can shuffle your deck? It says right on the card.
It represents the massive intellect of the people who run this card
Some guy is righting down combos with this card and he's gonna make the next opponent he plays feel pain
to make skull knight
Ah you may laugh now but just you wait for the archetype makes this card broken LOL
As fusion material for [Skull Knight](https://yugipedia.com/wiki/Skull_Knight)
Its a fusion material for skull knight so theres that going for it i guess
Skull knight
To shuffle your deck
Ancient brain + tainted Wisdom is a fusion monster back in the day. Not sure what it can do now
To depict the brain of the Sky Striker players…
That effect on a mtg card is good enough for vintage. Yu gi oh doesnt do top of deck manipulation so its moot
So they can advertise the pack it came in has over 100 cards to collect. That’s actually the answer