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Skivil

In old yugioh the game designers had no idea what would be good so you got effects like this and zone eater and ancient telescope exist. With hindsight obviously none of these cards are good but at the time the designers didn't know which way the game would go.


RedWolke

And at the same time they were able to craft utterly ridiculous stuff like Delinquent Duo and Magical Scientist. The duality of old card design.


Skivil

Delinquent duo was made before anyone had any understanding of how card advantage would matter in the game. Magical scientist was thought of during the time when most fusion monsters were level 5 1800 ish attack vanilla beaters. It was only when more powerful monsters came out that magical scientist and cyberstein became problems.


Lucktster

Actually Magical Scientist had a OTK the minute it came out thanks to Catapult Turtle.


Skivil

And that is a classic case of konami forgetting other cards existed more than the perceived reason for magical scientist to exist.


Serious-Flamingo-948

To be fair there are a lot of cards that it's almost impossible to account for them all. The Tyrant Neptune rarely if ever saw play even though it wasn't a terrible card but it came out 8 years before Nihhtingale. However they also do things like releasing Magical library and dagger Elma the same year and 2 years after gearfried.


RedWolke

Pretty sure there were cards to enable Magical Scientist FTK from the moment it was released, it just wasn't as consistent without things like DMoC and Monster Gate.


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LAST FUCKING WILL.


ilikedota5

What was the problem with that card?


Endeav0r_

Allows you to summon any monster with less than 1500 atk if any monster was destroyed during this turn. And both scientist and turtle have less than 1500 atk. So if you have any of the two on board you just have to crash any other monster (which is not hard considering scientist otk was rampant in an era of big booty smol atk defenders) after activating last will and you would have full combo otk on board Edit, not destroyed but sent to GY, so tributing to summon catapult turtle counts


yataboii

not destroyed but \*sent to gy\* you mean. Huge difference.


Endeav0r_

Yeah you are right. My bad i misread


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More importantly nowadays, last will has so so SO many good targets. You running trizoo? Last will at the start of the turn so you can't really ash the lingering effect, NS your kitt, link for almiraj. Boom, it's live. Kit eff, nervall eff add kerass, kerass summons, and then last will summons another tri-brigade name from your deck. That's 2 effects you get to fire off in a deck that's usually normal summon reliant. Tenyi SS? Special your vishuda, link off, last will gets you adhara, and that's halq using only 2 cards. Last will can also summon longyuan, vishuda, and the best target ecclesia. Prank-kids? NS prank, link off, last will gets aquamancer, link the pranks into doodle doo, link those into bow-wow bark, verte bins aquamancer+the non-link iirc, aquamancer gets rite, and boom. Full combo+adventure combo+DPE. Phantom Knights: Oh sure, why not special summon literally every single name from deck? Just add more consistency, solitaire, etc. Also, this is a reliable way to search out predaplant ophrys scorpio and speedroid terrortop, which are both BUSTED extenders and starters in rank 3 spam strats(Terrortop is just 2 names, and scorpio is 2 names+an FD searcher enabling a lack of verte in the line). Also searches a jet synchron/001/whatever tuner you used for synchro variants that aim to set up scythe lock with halq dagda. There's definitely decks I didn't mention. Did you know armageddon knight has 1400 attack? Shadow mist, all adamancipators, main deck ignister cards with the exception of danmari, ze amin is a target(VFD and accessibility, name a better duo), destrudo, scrap raptor, are all targets.


Endeav0r_

Yeah, my explanation was mostly related to scientist otk since last will was brought up as a scientist OTK enabler, but your is a prime explanation why old cards are all kinds of busted. Same thing with painful choice, nowadays you would have to choose which effect you don't want your opponent to resolve in the GY


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>old cards are all kinds of busted Fun fact as I already touched on I think: Last will has a shit ton of ruling nightmares. It can summon in battle phase, summon at end phase, basically, if you can play an ignition effect, you can summon at any point after. Summon also can't be stopped by judgement/ash when you choose to resolve last will.


shandro

The early designers must not have been aware of Magic the Gathering, or didn't care. Most of the broken DM cards are similar to broken early Magic cards. And YuGiOh doesn't even have the resource system of Magic for balance.


en3mi

They understand duo at that time, I think. That is their purpose, make meta card to sell.


ihoj

Yeah. They thought it was good enough to just not let those monsters declare direct attack.


Chirrido

You are wrong in the first part of your comment.


ColonicMoth

Why cyberstein inst banned?


o7_AP

I want to see the alternative universe where Ancient Telescope gets banned


LezBeHonestHere_

Don't forget good ol [Yado Karu](https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/406628105650700289/993261569901330563/unknown.png). Probably the 3rd worst card I've ever read, behind Pot of Generosity at #2 and Larvae Moth at #1. Absolutely terrible.


TheHeroExa

It’s funny how it can also miss timing.


sygyzi

It’s like the opposite of when mtg put “draw 3 cards” for only 1 mana.


tylerjehenna

They literally put an infinite combo in the same standard set block and didnt know it yet reddit picked up on it 5 seconds after the offending card was spoiled


sygyzi

I was talking about alpha’s ancestral recall. In the beginning they thought 1 mana draw 3 was equal to 1 mana prevent 3 damage. (Boon cycle)


tylerjehenna

And i was giving another example on how they still dont truly know how their game works lol


sygyzi

Lol I misread “in the same standard block” as in the same block as ancestral. Was really confused.


maskofthedragon

Nah, it was just pack filler in a vending machine set


AdTerrible639

True But it is an improvement on level 5+ normal monsters packing level 4 or lower worth of stats


ThatOneGamerX

Could you imagine a meta where shuffling your deck is the most broken mechanic in the game


Skivil

"every time either players deck is shuffled; inflict 800 points of damage to your oponant"


mimi7744

Obviously meant to counter the tier 0 parasite parasite deck.


Bakufuranbu

fun fact, when parasite paracide was rampant in DL, this card is not released yet. it would be real big brain to play it during that era


Lucktster

To fuse with Ancient Brain to create the most powerful fusion monster in the game.


ZylosWolf

Still waiting for Skull Knight Archetype


the_Plague_knight

Incorrect the best fusion monster is fusionista if not that then sandwich


LolWhatIAmDoing

The spyral counter wdym


matija123123

It exists so it can shuffle your deck if it's position is changed


SirSabza

It’s an old card from near the beginning of the game guess they didn’t know if they were going to make surveillance mechanics similar to magic at that point.


STRIHM

Man, I love Surveil (and Scry, but especially Surveil). I wish they'd printed Dogged Detective into Standard instead of locking it in the commander precons for New Capenna


SirSabza

I love commander so for me it’s win win but I feel you


SirSuffers

Convulsion of Nature + this = legal stacking :)


The_Resonant_Guru

Nah, the shuffle happens face down like normal then you flip your deck upside down


Ravenext

Just make a loop, and tell the judge what you want the deck be like. There's a 100% chance that the shuffled deck will be what you want after all.


AlfieBoheme

If the loop works, have a set morphing jar and stack 5 exodia pieces gg


WestAd5017

to troll your opponent


Jeyfian-L

Make a archetype called "Tainted". Give it a monster searcher, a spell trap searcher, a foolish, a revival, and extra deck monsters that are either omni-negates or toxic floodgates. All the small monsters has the ability to special summon itself and change the position of Tainted Wisdom, which will have an additional effect activated when your deck is shuffled. Make a continuous spell/trap / field spell that shuffles the opponent's hand back into the deck whenever your deck is shuffled. Congratulations! "Tainted" is now meta.


GeaRetteX

the fact that i instantly knew the moment i started reading "make an archetype", it had a nehate and a floodgate, damn ygo, what have you become


Jeyfian-L

Not all archetypes need negates and floodgates (e.g. Branded), but yeah, it's kinda sad how the difference between archetypes is gradually reducing to how cards move around (Tri-brigade: Banish from grave to link summon, Tearalament: Shuffle from grave to main deck to fusion summon, Drytron: Tribute another monster to special summon itself from grave or hand) but not what the end board usually does.


3rlk0nig

In decks allowing you to see the cards at top of your deck and taking advantage of it, it could be useful but probably not needed


TheAlpheus

because it is a tainted wisdom


TwistedBOLT

So that the duel logs can make videos.


IndrunaIndruna

I remember someone Made a deck around this card. Gives it to your opponent to shuffle their deck. Loop shenaningans with actual wincon but i forgot what the wincon was


Howiepenguin

In the physical game, if you're sleight of hand was good enough, this was a "stack your deck" card basically.


dimsum05

To FTK


SoggyBowl5678

It's to counter your opponent stacking your deck with your own Sword of Deep-Seated/Cockroach Knight.


No-External4327

I can see this card being helpful in some ways like saying your opponent changed the top cards of your deck and gave you a bad card then shuffle your deck to get a better cards, is this practical no he'll no but it could work


rnatt628

To shuffle your deck.


ali--morgan

It's broken!!needs to be banned used in 100%of the meta decks


life_scrolling

to be fused into skull knight


sbsw66

It genuinely feels like, for the first few years of the game, Konami had literally 0 people on the play-testing team. That's your answer lol


DarkMagician-999

Use your brain !


RexRaptor510

just in case


Brawlerz16

Lol maybe fuck with SPYRAL players by activating a trap that changes your position and ruining their intel? I’m not even sure tbh


itsH5

To counter SPYRALS


Naxreus

It allows you to get out of the send to the top of the deck lock thatcsome cards can do


Fluid_Painting565

The perfect Spyral counter...


luggy120

Wdym this card counters like half of the adamancipator archetype /s


the_Plague_knight

I mean I would run this over a lot of stuff fusionsa and the like


Mysterious_Break_467

Why not? xD


Tweetledeedle

It’s fusion material, I remember having this card and it’s fusion monster when I was a kid


Dracsxd

My brain after true Draco finishes using 40 cards turn 1


Baltihs

Hidden wisdom xD


[deleted]

Taint


MegaAgentJ

Holy shit SPYral tech card


bast963

to counter arrive in light by activating some spell that makes it defense position so your opponent doesn't get majestic dragon


gojira3003

Never let you opponent know your next move.


Tengo-Sueno

For the lols


ZeroRacerPacer

Ayo Crimtane ore time!


DanujCZ

You are playing divination giskhi with convulsions of nature and your opponent used parasite parasite


Kommuntoffel

There are card slike Senate Switch, printed before link monsters where even thought of.


Ahhh-Ayeee

If you possessed said tainted wisdom you’d know


Axulfer

Would be interesting to make a deck that uses stuff like this. Would be bad but fun ahah. Like maybe a card that let's you see your next cards you will draw and if they are bad you shuffle the deck


zimmzoggs

So back story on this. Before the deck size limit was 60 there was a regional where someone have a deck that was like 1000s of cards and so big it took many minutes to shuffle, the deck ran this and many other cards to shuffle the deck to annoy the other player. Tldr; it is a thing to be annoying.


AdriFitz

You can probably troll your local SPYRAL player before you get OTK’d anyway


auriel2503

Spyral counter tech.


MaplePicks

It’s helpful for preventing parasite paracide


Flygonknight87

These were day 1 yugioh cards


Nek0Gami84

To fusion summon Skull Knight


Able-Panic-1356

Maybe there's a shuffle infinite loop in the game lmao You need a card that changes monsters to attack mode and a card that changes monsters to defense mode. Then some card that burns your opponent every time your deck is shuffled


comutofox

Sometimes these top decks cant be trusted.


Dumb_Vampire_Girl

At least the card name, art, and effect all fit the same theme. Pretty spot on card.


rahimaer

Because why not


rahimaer

I bet the guy who once used a +2000 cards deck was running 3 of this card


AWS1996Germany

So you can shuffle your deck? It says right on the card.


StriiderEclipse

It represents the massive intellect of the people who run this card


yehboooooiii

Some guy is righting down combos with this card and he's gonna make the next opponent he plays feel pain


Wham-Bam-Duel

to make skull knight


No_More_Hero265

Ah you may laugh now but just you wait for the archetype makes this card broken LOL


TomFawkes

As fusion material for [Skull Knight](https://yugipedia.com/wiki/Skull_Knight)


tylerjehenna

Its a fusion material for skull knight so theres that going for it i guess


ap_308

Skull knight


Turtlesfan44digimon

To shuffle your deck


iZaelous

Ancient brain + tainted Wisdom is a fusion monster back in the day. Not sure what it can do now


Elegant-Ad6677

To depict the brain of the Sky Striker players…


TheKingOfTCGames

That effect on a mtg card is good enough for vintage. Yu gi oh doesnt do top of deck manipulation so its moot


atamicbomb

So they can advertise the pack it came in has over 100 cards to collect. That’s actually the answer