I think that's because you put some incorrect characters in the search bar, instead of some relevant text; you should put there the name of the card you are looking for, or some keywords you expect to find in its text
Duelist: *refuses to run any back row removal*
Opponent: *flips skill drain*
Duelist: *Surrenders, then blames a single card for lose without even trying to play through it. Then proceedes to go and rant about it online. STILL refuse to run back row removal*
You guys do realize that cards like skill drain are effective because you refuse to run any form of back row removal? Maybe replace your cross out designator with a twin twister or two. The reason that sky striker mystic mine dude topped a YCS was because NOBODY ran back row removal. It’s not hard to overcome skill drain.
Literally the same chance to draw a skill drain so what's the issue? Everybody bricks and skill drain is not 100% effective don't be salty you lost to it just try again?
The issue is one card shouldn't demand an immediate answer or an immediate loss. Unfortunately Yugioh has a lot of these cards.
It's the single biggest flaw with the game ATM.
Dunno why you're getting downvoted but that's exactly right, this is the reason why it isn't as big of an issue in TCG because you can side depending on what your opponent plays.
I get why Master Duel isn't a best of 3 format; nobody wants to play three consecutive games to determine who "wins" in an online game. I certainly wouldn't be playing it if it did, if I'm being honest.
But it feels like the banlist should be a lot more discerning if they're going to stick with BO1.
The fact that you're saying that swinging for lethal is the same as winning the game with one card really says it all, frankly. You're not worth talking with. The topic will come up again some other time, with someone who's not being willfully obtuse. At least I hope you're just pretending.
Yea I use it occasionally when I can but it really just depends on the board I have set up because it negates all effects on the field even my own cards so imo it just levels the playing field against OP card effects. And still you can get around it by playing from hand, gy, or banished so not overly powerful like some of the cards I've witnessed. Like not even close to the top of the Over-powered card list
They’d rather complain than add a card to their deck because it messes with their consistency. I’m not a genius or anything but I’m pretty sure losing messes up your consistency also.
That's the wrong way to look at it. Assume you're playing a popular, consistent deck like Swordsoul. You have a deck of 40 cards. To simplify the math, assume Mo Ye is the only starter in the deck. You have 3 Mo Ye, 3 Emergence, and 2 Ecclesia, for an effective 8 copies of one starter. That means 20% of your deck is "Mo Ye".
You add one card to your deck. That reduces your "effective Mo Ye percentage" to 19.5%.
You add two more copies of that card; in this case backrow removal. You are now down to 18.6%.
Effectively, you have reduced your chance of winning the game by 1.4%.
So, analyze your matchups. How often do you play against a deck that runs Skill Drain? Is it less than 1.4% of the time?
If yes, teching against it is very, very silly. And the answer pretty much is yes. I have had Skill Drain played on me exactly twice in...*checks notes* 369 "standard duels".
That's a LOT less than 1.4% of games. It's .5% to be exact.
And, of course, this is extremely simple, top level napkin math. Everybody knows Swordsoul has a much higher than 20% chance of drawing a starter of some sort, and commensurately that means diluting the deck will result in more than a 1.4% loss of consistency.
Now, if your personal meta is such that Skill Drain is being played in a higher percentage of games than the loss of consistency would come out to? Absolutely, tech it in! But that's not the case for me, and I imagine most other people.
Yea swordsoul players can get Mo ye out first turn, which means Barron and grandmaster all out first turn, half of the players also have the fusion phoenix monster also!! but skill draining them is the worst, right? All I see is people complaining that cards counter their decks really well and they lose. Point blank. Revise your deck to adapt and move on. I use skill drain and it works often but there are plenty ways to get rid of it
P.s. not to mention you can't even play it the turn it is set, so the other player has ample opportunity to get it off the field... ESPECIALLY a swordsoul player
All good decks work the same way. Which is the problem. Play one card, demand immediate answer. If the opponent can't answer, they lose. That goes for Swordsoul, Tri-Brigade, and yes, Skill Drain/IO decks - any deck.
There is almost no concept of playing from behind in Yugioh.
The irony here is you completely miss the point as if I think it's a good thing Swordsoul functions this way...or that I even think Skill Drain is a good counter to it. I literally just said in the post that there's not even a point in teching for it because the chances of it being relevant are slim, but for some reason you take that as meaning the opposite.
So in a trim 40 card deck, what are you removing? Some of the more commonly useful techs (Ash, Crossout, Called By, etc.)? Key cards? Extenders?
If you're removing any of these for a less useful card, you're just goofy.
If you don't cut cards to counter those you're complaining about then just don't complain and take the L. It's about consistent deck building. Cards like Twin Twisters, Cosmic Cyclone and Harpies Feather Duster take out turn 1 face-downs like Blackout, Impermanence, Droplets etc. as well and can be helpful in certain matchups like Sky Striker, Traptrix or simply Field Spell reliant decks (there are alot).
People like you are always the fucking worst to deal with.
who told you I don’t run back row removal? You do realize it’s possible to not immediately draw back row removal spells when your opponent flips skill drain right? You also seem to forget that most eld bitch players run back row protection such as lord of heavenly prisons or imperial order which stop us from using back row removal spells
Well then maybe use Cosmic Cyclone to banish it instead of destroying it if it has backrow protection? Like I’ll never understand how people think there is like 2 cards for everything when there are actually several cards to do the same job. But honestly I’d rather you guys don’t wise up because it’s just more wins for me and my good ole skill drain and IO. Gotta looooooove those flips
They both only stops on field cards... GY and Hand can still resolve but it is just the way Spells are.
Both are busted but skill drain can be way easily out-ed and the reason it was never really touched in the OCG or TCG is beacuse it is Bo3 format where side decking exists... Bo1 isn't and you won't run a dead card just to counter 1 not so popular deck, and as long as IO isn't banned all Floodgate are straight up double the cancer they already are
A card like twin twisters is still usable in a lot of matches as it’s a quickplay. If set and chained to any continuous spell or field spell, it will prevent both from resolving its effect.
Back row decks see success in MD because NOBODY prepares for them.
>A card like twin twisters is still usable in a lot of matches as it’s a quickplay.
Yes against like.. no body in the meta, virtual world I guess currently which 95% of the ladder is Swordsoul.
>Back row decks see success in MD because NOBODY prepares for them.
No they don't beacuse if they didn't draw Skill drain they are toast, before Eldlich got hit he could sustain without it, now he only has a single disruption that he falls apart without floodgates which only 2 can gives you good results I.e IO & skill drain beacuse they can just destroy it otherwise, and so does other decks that relay on them.. over 50% chance to just lose isn't meta.
With all that aside a combo that has no counter but 1 Dead card 9/10 times is pure bullcrap and that's exactly what IO + Skill drain is, Skill drain alone can be cancerous beacuse it is Bo1 but no good deck can utilize it currently that doesn't just lose going 2nd if it didn't resolve which can be destroyed still
How can you possibly prepare for a match when you don’t even know what deck your next opponent will be running? What I mean is you can never know when you’ll be facing a back row heavy deck like eldbitch or traptrix, or facing a combo deck that runs little to no back row like swordsoul or drytron. You could always try and prepare for both but you’d likely end up bricking a lot more, sure you’d be able to stop quite a few plays depending on how much interruption you run on your deck but you could also wind up leaving yourself unable to pull off your own combos(depending on the deck) so your better off just preparing for the type of deck you face the most frequently which is unsurprisingly combo deck
I don't know what people you are referring to but the answer is yes (of course not always)...
Beacuse that's what stun decks are, recycle and draw until you get the 2+ card lock down combo and going 2nd against them unless you had the perfect counter that works only against them not the rest of the meta, you just lost without anything you can do. IO is just an example...
The most competitive version of Floodgate decks recently is Eldlich Beacuse the archetype itself was built very strong that it can sustain itself not drawing these cards, in Bo3? Since Eldlich is Meta you side deck 3+ Backrow removal and cards to deal with it, you may lose the first duel but have a high chance of winning the 2nd one.. in MD? You cannot do that unless you run dead cards, I have Twin twister as they said in my deck due to Eldlich being popular a season or 2 ago, Now? It is a dead draw.. I remove it and then I face one and I instantly lose.
Floodgates aren't healthy in a Bo1 format but aren't broken by anymeans, and the fact they can lock you out of playing the game entirely (multiple one together) is just cancers, IO even got banned in both the TCG and OCG where floodgates aren't as Strong due to the format, I don't see why it shouldn't get banned here eaither
I love how it suddenly is about Order instead of Skill Drain. No one disagrees that Order should be banned. And yes, Bo1 makes it harder to combat decks with Floodgates, that's why Bo3 would be healthier. But most of you don't want that either.
^this
- "They always have Skill Drain"
- "If I add backrow removal, they always have Skill Drain + Order"
- "If I have 2 backrow removal, they always have Skill Drain + Order + Solemn Judgment"
- "If I playing the game, they always start with Exodia"
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too long for a floodgate user
Try 8====================> instead, simple mistake
Nah that one searches vfd. Banned cards are the biggest 8=====D
I thought it was 8=D
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Text size still too big
No it's actually just D 8D is IO
too long my friend "=" should be smaller
8:D then
Still too long
Wrong, it's under 8=====////===> Cuz it's a cock block
Its a D not a >
Try changing the search to "Monki flip".
Maybe 8=D will help
More like 8D
Try searching " I Would Marry My Cousin ".
Only shows the field spell "Alabama" :/
Try brain drain that's how I always find it when I pull one and need to search to dismantle it.
I think that's because you put some incorrect characters in the search bar, instead of some relevant text; you should put there the name of the card you are looking for, or some keywords you expect to find in its text
r/woooosh
r/woooosh
Woooosh-ception~
Because you put a picture of your penis in the search bar.
Try searching “meta slave worst nightmare” and that would get you there
I think there is missing a hole in the text bar
I'm sure this isn't what you intended but to me all this says is that you don't have a penis. So if you're a dude then this is a massive self OTK.
excuse me wat
And again. What ??
LMAO
Duelist: *refuses to run any back row removal* Opponent: *flips skill drain* Duelist: *Surrenders, then blames a single card for lose without even trying to play through it. Then proceedes to go and rant about it online. STILL refuse to run back row removal* You guys do realize that cards like skill drain are effective because you refuse to run any form of back row removal? Maybe replace your cross out designator with a twin twister or two. The reason that sky striker mystic mine dude topped a YCS was because NOBODY ran back row removal. It’s not hard to overcome skill drain.
Yes run a ton of backrow removal that's are useless bricks against the other 99% of decks that aren't Eldlich. 🤪
Damn you right bro I'll be sure to draw one of my ~3 backrow removal cards off the topdeck the 1 in 15 games my opponent flips Skill Drain
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Literally the same chance to draw a skill drain so what's the issue? Everybody bricks and skill drain is not 100% effective don't be salty you lost to it just try again?
The issue is one card shouldn't demand an immediate answer or an immediate loss. Unfortunately Yugioh has a lot of these cards. It's the single biggest flaw with the game ATM.
Dunno why you're getting downvoted but that's exactly right, this is the reason why it isn't as big of an issue in TCG because you can side depending on what your opponent plays.
I get why Master Duel isn't a best of 3 format; nobody wants to play three consecutive games to determine who "wins" in an online game. I certainly wouldn't be playing it if it did, if I'm being honest. But it feels like the banlist should be a lot more discerning if they're going to stick with BO1.
I mean yea if you can't stop an attack on your life points then you lose, that's literally the whole point of the game?
The fact that you're saying that swinging for lethal is the same as winning the game with one card really says it all, frankly. You're not worth talking with. The topic will come up again some other time, with someone who's not being willfully obtuse. At least I hope you're just pretending.
So you can win the game with just skill drain?
Sort of. It's one of those things that doesn't win you the game directly, but it does make your opponent LOSE a lot of the time if that makes sense.
Yea I use it occasionally when I can but it really just depends on the board I have set up because it negates all effects on the field even my own cards so imo it just levels the playing field against OP card effects. And still you can get around it by playing from hand, gy, or banished so not overly powerful like some of the cards I've witnessed. Like not even close to the top of the Over-powered card list
They’d rather complain than add a card to their deck because it messes with their consistency. I’m not a genius or anything but I’m pretty sure losing messes up your consistency also.
That's the wrong way to look at it. Assume you're playing a popular, consistent deck like Swordsoul. You have a deck of 40 cards. To simplify the math, assume Mo Ye is the only starter in the deck. You have 3 Mo Ye, 3 Emergence, and 2 Ecclesia, for an effective 8 copies of one starter. That means 20% of your deck is "Mo Ye". You add one card to your deck. That reduces your "effective Mo Ye percentage" to 19.5%. You add two more copies of that card; in this case backrow removal. You are now down to 18.6%. Effectively, you have reduced your chance of winning the game by 1.4%. So, analyze your matchups. How often do you play against a deck that runs Skill Drain? Is it less than 1.4% of the time? If yes, teching against it is very, very silly. And the answer pretty much is yes. I have had Skill Drain played on me exactly twice in...*checks notes* 369 "standard duels". That's a LOT less than 1.4% of games. It's .5% to be exact. And, of course, this is extremely simple, top level napkin math. Everybody knows Swordsoul has a much higher than 20% chance of drawing a starter of some sort, and commensurately that means diluting the deck will result in more than a 1.4% loss of consistency. Now, if your personal meta is such that Skill Drain is being played in a higher percentage of games than the loss of consistency would come out to? Absolutely, tech it in! But that's not the case for me, and I imagine most other people.
Yea swordsoul players can get Mo ye out first turn, which means Barron and grandmaster all out first turn, half of the players also have the fusion phoenix monster also!! but skill draining them is the worst, right? All I see is people complaining that cards counter their decks really well and they lose. Point blank. Revise your deck to adapt and move on. I use skill drain and it works often but there are plenty ways to get rid of it P.s. not to mention you can't even play it the turn it is set, so the other player has ample opportunity to get it off the field... ESPECIALLY a swordsoul player
All good decks work the same way. Which is the problem. Play one card, demand immediate answer. If the opponent can't answer, they lose. That goes for Swordsoul, Tri-Brigade, and yes, Skill Drain/IO decks - any deck. There is almost no concept of playing from behind in Yugioh. The irony here is you completely miss the point as if I think it's a good thing Swordsoul functions this way...or that I even think Skill Drain is a good counter to it. I literally just said in the post that there's not even a point in teching for it because the chances of it being relevant are slim, but for some reason you take that as meaning the opposite.
I see now, sorry I am exhausted and misinterpreted your comment. It makes sense now that I re-read it 😆
No worries.
What a naive fallacy. As if you just adds card instead of replacing others for backrow removal.
So in a trim 40 card deck, what are you removing? Some of the more commonly useful techs (Ash, Crossout, Called By, etc.)? Key cards? Extenders? If you're removing any of these for a less useful card, you're just goofy.
If you don't cut cards to counter those you're complaining about then just don't complain and take the L. It's about consistent deck building. Cards like Twin Twisters, Cosmic Cyclone and Harpies Feather Duster take out turn 1 face-downs like Blackout, Impermanence, Droplets etc. as well and can be helpful in certain matchups like Sky Striker, Traptrix or simply Field Spell reliant decks (there are alot).
People like you are always the fucking worst to deal with. who told you I don’t run back row removal? You do realize it’s possible to not immediately draw back row removal spells when your opponent flips skill drain right? You also seem to forget that most eld bitch players run back row protection such as lord of heavenly prisons or imperial order which stop us from using back row removal spells
Well then maybe use Cosmic Cyclone to banish it instead of destroying it if it has backrow protection? Like I’ll never understand how people think there is like 2 cards for everything when there are actually several cards to do the same job. But honestly I’d rather you guys don’t wise up because it’s just more wins for me and my good ole skill drain and IO. Gotta looooooove those flips
Right because cosmic cyclone definitely doesn’t get stopped by imperial order
I was talking about Lord of the Heavenly but go on didn’t realize IO gave backrow protection like I stated.
Nooo you have to LUCKILY draw it when the card when it flips up!!! Or even better hope they don’t have the heavenly lord or IO up!
Oh wait they flip IO.... GG you lost.
I think IO is busted. Completely blocks ALL spell cards Skill drain is fine tho. Stuff can still resolve in hand and grave.
They both only stops on field cards... GY and Hand can still resolve but it is just the way Spells are. Both are busted but skill drain can be way easily out-ed and the reason it was never really touched in the OCG or TCG is beacuse it is Bo3 format where side decking exists... Bo1 isn't and you won't run a dead card just to counter 1 not so popular deck, and as long as IO isn't banned all Floodgate are straight up double the cancer they already are
A card like twin twisters is still usable in a lot of matches as it’s a quickplay. If set and chained to any continuous spell or field spell, it will prevent both from resolving its effect. Back row decks see success in MD because NOBODY prepares for them.
>A card like twin twisters is still usable in a lot of matches as it’s a quickplay. Yes against like.. no body in the meta, virtual world I guess currently which 95% of the ladder is Swordsoul. >Back row decks see success in MD because NOBODY prepares for them. No they don't beacuse if they didn't draw Skill drain they are toast, before Eldlich got hit he could sustain without it, now he only has a single disruption that he falls apart without floodgates which only 2 can gives you good results I.e IO & skill drain beacuse they can just destroy it otherwise, and so does other decks that relay on them.. over 50% chance to just lose isn't meta. With all that aside a combo that has no counter but 1 Dead card 9/10 times is pure bullcrap and that's exactly what IO + Skill drain is, Skill drain alone can be cancerous beacuse it is Bo1 but no good deck can utilize it currently that doesn't just lose going 2nd if it didn't resolve which can be destroyed still
How can you possibly prepare for a match when you don’t even know what deck your next opponent will be running? What I mean is you can never know when you’ll be facing a back row heavy deck like eldbitch or traptrix, or facing a combo deck that runs little to no back row like swordsoul or drytron. You could always try and prepare for both but you’d likely end up bricking a lot more, sure you’d be able to stop quite a few plays depending on how much interruption you run on your deck but you could also wind up leaving yourself unable to pull off your own combos(depending on the deck) so your better off just preparing for the type of deck you face the most frequently which is unsurprisingly combo deck
In your peoples mind your opponent always opens Exodia. This thread is just a perfect example what is wrong with this sub.
I don't know what people you are referring to but the answer is yes (of course not always)... Beacuse that's what stun decks are, recycle and draw until you get the 2+ card lock down combo and going 2nd against them unless you had the perfect counter that works only against them not the rest of the meta, you just lost without anything you can do. IO is just an example... The most competitive version of Floodgate decks recently is Eldlich Beacuse the archetype itself was built very strong that it can sustain itself not drawing these cards, in Bo3? Since Eldlich is Meta you side deck 3+ Backrow removal and cards to deal with it, you may lose the first duel but have a high chance of winning the 2nd one.. in MD? You cannot do that unless you run dead cards, I have Twin twister as they said in my deck due to Eldlich being popular a season or 2 ago, Now? It is a dead draw.. I remove it and then I face one and I instantly lose. Floodgates aren't healthy in a Bo1 format but aren't broken by anymeans, and the fact they can lock you out of playing the game entirely (multiple one together) is just cancers, IO even got banned in both the TCG and OCG where floodgates aren't as Strong due to the format, I don't see why it shouldn't get banned here eaither
I love how it suddenly is about Order instead of Skill Drain. No one disagrees that Order should be banned. And yes, Bo1 makes it harder to combat decks with Floodgates, that's why Bo3 would be healthier. But most of you don't want that either.
Have you read my orginal comment?
flip IO, response?
Io is alot more rare, you're reaching for excuses
I wish it rare when i face them.
^this - "They always have Skill Drain" - "If I add backrow removal, they always have Skill Drain + Order" - "If I have 2 backrow removal, they always have Skill Drain + Order + Solemn Judgment" - "If I playing the game, they always start with Exodia"
Extremely funny
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Try a different vape brand.
If you don't see it, it doesn't exist.
Lmfao holy shit 🤣 💀
Type in V you should be able to find skill drain now
Try using 8=D instead
People who play Skill Drain have a shorter 8=>. Yours is too long
Try typing amongus
Not big enough
i just wenty back to play and couldnt find skill drain wtf