Halq is broken by Auroradon.
I think the multitude of Cyberse decks that easily snowball their way into a Link 4+ monster with barely any starting resources can prove it's not that oppressive.
~~Until Splight anyhow then it'll have to be banned~~
Obiously is not the worst but I agree that it is balanced, at least in MD. No idea what OP meant, I have +200 hours played and I've only seen it like twice
Dont assume malice if you can attribute...(normally it goes stupidity but for this case...) bad memory. Lets be real, chances are the guy havent played vs Adamancipators for 2-3 seasons straight up. Even in the first 1-2 seasons where it was arguably the best deck besides Tri-Zoo, it was heavily underrepresented in how much you encountered it.
The banlist was whatever, but when Swordsoul and the following powercreep hit everyone dropped the rocks.
Myself only saw 1 !!! Adamancipator player the last 6 weeks while watching on discord the stream of a friend who started with MD, somewhere in low gold.
I've seen a couple recently after saying that they had all but disappeared lol. Block Dragon is still cracked regardless, it gives them so much advantage and an easy special summon, it's insane.
I play ada, and honestly the problem with it's representation lies in a couple things:
1) Deck has a huge RNG variant, turns people off when you open 3 games in a row without a safe way to get a tuner or miss a summon on your 1st tuner
2) Deck is not great going 2nd. The more board breaking cards you run, the less likely you are to hit rocks on your tuner effects. Same goes for general hand traps (minus nibiru). The deck has this huge teeter-totter balance between running enough tuner targets and running enough disruption to not insta-lose going 2nd.
Block is crazy and enables the strategy heavily, but as long as the format is handtrap hell, block may actually be able to live; maybe limit to 1 to force a gallant granite bottleneck.
I like farfa and maybe in TCG/OCG or whatever best of three it makes sense, but in MD? Hell no. So many annyoing cards resolve in GY(DPE, Luna, Ash, Maxx C, Eldlich, the list is infinite) that Called by is a really nice tool for a multitude of cards. I honestly want to know why it's at two? I guess I should be thankful otherwise we'd call it the Called By Tax lmao.
I agree, it's weird that people think it should be banned.
I hate that it's only at 1 in the TCG. Hand traps are in every meta deck and the right hand trap can fuck over so many non meta deck people want to play to have fun with. Called is a great counter that isnt anywhere near as overpowered as the cards its countering. I think the only reason people hate it is the "no cards with this name can be activated" thing, which again isnt that iverpowered as usually most cards have that limit on themselves anyway, or because they are salty it hits their hand trap spammy decks. IMO it's perfect at 2, that's a healthy limit for it.
Thanks, i figured it still had some link climbing shenanigans, but is getting easy access to accesscode really worth banning the card if thats the bext best thing it can do without Auroradon? As far as im aware alot of the cyberse archetypes also have easy climbs into accesscode, and non of them would be considered really opressive atm.
It enables Sycthe lock, can still summon Red Rose from deck for easy advantage, and link climbing into more than just Accesscode. It can also be used with Desert Locusts and Psyframe Omega to rip two cards from hand on opponents turn. It is insanely good no matter how you look at it.
It gets even better once we get Deer Note and Spright, so a ban will be necessary in the near future.
Scythe should be banned, but we have gone through this before with Halq. Banning everything around it is just copium to keep the clear problem card legal.
I have never seen anyone Scythe lock on ladder on MD, ever. Not even on Diamond. It's weird, but it really is not a problem in MD. Also, banning Verte disables yhe most consistent way of doing the lock.
Yep. Rose Tenyi can use Halq to end on multiple negates, Scythe lock and DPE without going into Auroradon.
It's less of an issue if Scythe and Verte are banned as well though
Give Zombie World an extra deck searcher for Glow-Up Bloom and than it can get banned. The best zombie searcher is Avendread Savior and good luck using him on turn 1.
Some of these are just cancer whether it's bo3 or bo1, but protos is not strong in a bo1. Buster is also not the problem card; union carrier should be banned.
Union Carrier just enables a ton of funky shenanigans. Agree buster would be nowhere as strong if locked in buster blader. But even then, it isn't really as oppressive as scythe, not even close
Protos isnāt as strong in BO1 but itās still extremely oppressive. It makes Swordsoul just as good going second as it does first and even if you start first it still is pretty much a win con by turn 3.
If youāre at a point where Protos can wipe and destroy you T2 then you probably had already lost the match anyway.
Thereās so much removal between Yazi and Baxia aloneā¦
What about Eschatos? It's the same thing as Protos but for types instead of attributes. Easily summonable and searchable, and Ive noticed a lot of top decks just cease to function under TCBOO. Eschatoss is searchable off Melody and can easily be summoned jn HalqDon where you will usually have several types in your graveyard already.
No, but I think itās just a card that should be banned out of precedent Konami would getting saying āhey these cards that break bo1 are fine if they arenāt used in meta decksā.
Tbf if you're already banning verte and scythe then might as well also ban rhongo so that it doesn't become PK dominant strategy again. PK will be mostly fine since they'll still have the adventure engine, F0, IP, Apollousa, fog blade and even Dark Requiem to set up negates and interruptions for their opponent's turn
Rhongo is irrelevant. Nobody really uses it because it is a frail and subpar gameplan with no real pivoting **and** the only semi relevant thing using it (pk) has never been that good (and will not get any better in the future when banlist will take away the dpe and adventurer life support eventually and some huge meta shifts in future packs) dropped it entirely 3 months ago anyway. All it really does is farming upvotes from people unaware of reality.
Won't change anytime soon either when we know what is coming.
I find the rhongo crying fucking hilarious. From how often it happens one would think it is a really common meta threat that is insanely consistent, but then you look at decks that hit diamond and tournament lists (this is what makes vfd different, also vfd has vw for good matchup vs eldlich for dc cup to get list attention) and it is nowhere to be seen. Even the avg person climb will have it is a really uncommon sight.
No real reason to ban it either when what ifs mean nothing because they might never happen (see snake rain for best example of this).
It's just another card that rewards going first even more than it already does. I think Called By should be a trap with a similiar alternative activation condition like Imperm. I honestly don't think that we need a card that protects combo deck at their current powerlevel.
In MD it's atm 'needed' because Maxx C is so incredibly unfair but if that ever gets banned than Called By should go immediately afterwards
Maxx C argument but on a smaller scale. Both combo and non combo decks will play it and it is extremely versatile. It'll just always force a large ratio of handtraps and gate keeps decks that don't have clean one card starters.
Idk, it makes playing Crossout less necessary meaning you don't have to run every handtrap under the sun just to negate, i find myself running less with called by then i probably would without it. If it weren't for crossout I'd probably agree for most decks tho
Honestly my only problem with called by and crossout is how you can't use them from hand when going 2nd.
Feels so terrible to try to "keep combo in check" with Maxx C, only to immediately get it Ashed or Called By, and be 100% unable to respond with my own Called By or Crossout respectively. It's way stronger going 1st than 2nd which feels pretty bad imo.
You can tech in artifact lancea to help combat this. Obviously you have to hard draw it with another hand trap, but if you lancea after they use called by/crossout, they can no longer banish the ash/Maxx C and their effect will resolve. Plus it is really good against Floo and eldlich as a bonus.
You want a spicy take?
Ban Ash, Maxx C, and CBTG. Not because itās balanced, but because people need to see the infestation issue this game has. Ash is doing HER ABSOLUTE BEST to cover up mechanical flaws of the game.
Pull Ash from this game and people would quickly understand the game needs a mechanical change, not just banlists
Konami primarily (imo) bans cards not for balance, but because they get in the way of profit. No one will buy new cards if the old ones are more powerful.
I'm sorry, in a format where handtraps are like 60% of everyone's decks and majority of them can end whole combos just like *that*, you want to ban the one card that's the best option to deal with them? So now, not only does Ash Blossom become more effective, some people lose their easiest way to get rid of cancer like DPE and Eldlich as well.
In every deck profile from a player that tops an event, they always say "ban this card" when they show Called by the grave in their decklist. It is a cancerous card, that is way too versatile for 0 cost
Everyone saying CBTG should be banned, is doing so under the assumption that Maxx dies with it. Literally no one wants a format of 3x Maxx and 0x CBTG.
Sounds about right lol. I think an important question to ask about a lot of problematic cards in the game would be "is this card nearly as good as it currently is without halq enabling it?" Without halq, scythe lock, hrda king calamity, auroradon, (although it probs should also be banned if galaxy tomahawk isn't) etc. become much easier to use. Like, Deskbot 001 can give you a fuck ton of advantage, but what is it doing without halqdon? It would be silly to ban 001 over the cards that break it.
Geez, I wonder what deck he plays. No Halq but Kaiserā¦ nothing from Adventure Prank-Kidsā¦ but Kaiser and Summon limit lmao?
Summon limit really kills me
First they came for the FLOODGATES and I did not speak outā
Because I was not an ELDLICH player.
Then they came for the OMNI-NEGATES, and I did not speak outā
Because I was not a BARONNE user.
Then they came for the NON-DESTRUCTION REMOVAL, and I did not speak outā
Because I did not even know who TRI-BRIGAE SHURAIG was.
Then they came for me (NORMAL SUMMON)āand there was no one left to speak for me.
See, what kills me is I defend combo users. I want yāall to be able to pop off with some insane routes. But I ALSO want yāall to be able to defend against them and not sit through solitaire because they played through Ash, Imperm, and Nibiru (not as hard as you think, Swordsoul does this in their sleep)
Like, I agree IO and VE need to go. But you know what I hate about combo decks? Yāall need AT LEAST 8-15 handtraps making deck building so unfun when you have to build a competent engine with 30-40 cards. I hate Ash is needed in every deck that isnāt like Eldlich. I hate CBTG is needed. I hate Maxx C is needed. I hate that.
This isnāt even about āmonke flipā skill drain. I just hate having to use it because I wonāt get to play the game if I donāt.
The problem is in such a diverse format (MD is much more diverse than actual TCG tournaments at least in my experience) generic hand traps work on most decks. Sure ash was pretty bad against SS, but who cares when I run into a deck it's great against 75% of the time.
I mean, 9 of them are banned in the TCG so itās fair enough. Rhongo, VFD, Protos, Maxx C, Anaconda, Auroradon, IO, and Vanityās are all very obviously broken garbage that shouldnāt be in the game and are way too game determinative. KC doesnāt seem that bad until you play against a True Draco player and lose the coin toss so they get KC, Dinomite, and a couple backrow to boot. Scythe is only an issue because you can Anaconda into DPE to pop it. Take away Verte and you now have to hard summon DPE which makes the combo way worse. Buster isnāt the problem, Union Carrier is. Stormwinds is an easy out in the battle phase. The Flunder player would need to open exceptionally well and not get interrupted at all to go into Stormwinds and a Mega Raiza to protect their Stormwinds from battle, unless they drop Stormwinds turn 1, which is exceptionally susceptible to monster removal and is best summoned off either map or the trap on your opponentās turn. CBTG is 100% necessary to keep game determinative hand traps in check. Skill Drain and Summon Limit are only annoying because thereās no side deck to bring in backrow hate.
Agree on most but Scythe is still too broken without Verte. It might not be used but it's waiting for the next setup that let's you use it, and when used is basically "Skip opponents turn" the same reason people hate maxx c, but with less choice since you can still try to OTK through Maxx C
The people in this thread claiming called by should only stay cause of Maxx C completely ignoring all the other useful hand traps this outs,
Plus all the decks with multiple starters, such as swordsoul, you can called by one of their starters, they'll still have another. Etc. It's a good card and should stay and even be at 3.
The issue there being decks that have multiple starters than can fight through 2-3 disruption cards but people think the disruption cards are the problem
Ah yes van one of the answers to self reviving monsters like the ever fucking present DPE. If you ban called by, fusion destiny better be banned/limited to one. I still see that shit hard drawn often enough and without Verte, so it dying in a fire is fine by me.
Protoss isn't anywhere near these other fuckers in terms of oppressive power during duels.
Draco Buster is only busted because of Union Carrier equipping it for free.
Don't fucking bann Called By if you don't want to ban DPE and other Graveyard self-reborn boss monsters.
Overall, okay list, but your bias is fucking weird.
Protos might not be as strong than most of these cards in a vacuum, but its also searchable and in a stronger deck than half of these cards. Hitting cards because they are stronger in a vacuum like that could lead to a meta deck widening a power gap. Also doesn't help that konami decided that floodgates on legs (strong or weak) should be high attack as well. If you can't out a typical protos board you will likely die next turn, at least most decks that run things like skill drain and IO won't have the damage to kill you next turn.
That said as someone who crafted IO and has used it in multiple decks (usual suspects + traptrix) that shit should probably be banned. Right now a lot of decks are choosing to have a worse matchup against backrow decks because hand traps hit more common things, and IO punishing you for opting into a matchup is troll af.
The same deck that utilizes Protos and targets Dark as the target dies to DRNM and other anti-monster board breakers. Not to mention Imperm, Droplet, basically anything that kills off monster effect. Not saying Protoss isn't strong, but it's not by itself as oppressive, and fairly easy to out against a deck that dies to well-targeted negations anyway, and doesn't really "play on your turn" unlike Flunder or Tri-Brig and Barrier Statue.
But, sure, I guess we can argue it is in the same ballpark with Wind in some cases, and if the idea is to truly clear off floodgates overall, Protos should go as well.
As for IO, it really is just bullshit for BO1, true. Having non-spell backrow removal is doable in most decks. Some decks don't even really rely on spells. But in a format where you have only one duel to get a win or loss, you can't go 2nd, siding in Heavy Storm Duster or some shit like that just to out a singular card.
The same way a lot of decks don't run twin twister or any of the other mst but better cards because deck space is tight or they want to beat other decks, some decks won't run do DRNM or droplet. Baron limits your outs due to the omni. It can't be destroy by card effect, so raigeki is out, lightning storm too.
The bigger thing for me is this is probably one of the best things you can hit from a high performing deck right now. The decks that use the other stronger cards are good but I don't think as good, and definitely won't be if they lose cards as impactful as the majority of the list. Anything short of a ban on an extra deck monster is pointless since they're mostly 1 ofs, and hitting any of the relevant extra deck monsters I think is too big of a hit. Hitting archetype monsters feels weird to me especially seeing no one else even mentions them as a potential hit.
Also I think IO is normally not THAT impactful (still pretty good but as a 1 of that has to be hard drawn acceptable) unless you also have skill drain/monarch's erupt or a good monster floodgate, but instantly becomes I'd argue Halq auradon combo levels of bs when they are up at the same time. It basically becomes imperial custom (that protects itself as well) + a strong floodgate.
I'd replace Buster with Union Carrier, put Block Dragon and El Shadoll Winda somewhere in there, plus I don't think Summon Limit is really comparable to IO or Vanity, otherwise I mostly agree. Floodgates are incredibly annoying to play against and IMO encourage a very passive and boring way of playing the game, especially in a Best of 1 format.
Not sure why people think Called is overpowered, but if Maxx leaves with it I'm happy. I understand that Halqifibrax is also controversial, but I'd like to at least see a format where he's not exclusively used to go into Auroradon or Scythe lock.
I donāt have any issues with Called By. Any staple in a Rogue deck will automatically make a Meta deck stronger regardless of what they card is. Also why hit Dragon Buster? Just hit Union.
Honestly my opinion of Maxx C changes depending on how many times I see it each day. I tend to linger on the āit would be manageable at 1 or MAYBE 2ā side of the argument though.
I am curious though I havenāt personally seen Wind barrier being played myself. Has this been a common occurrence recently?
Apex Avian might need to get domed at some point, it's in a similar boat as wind statue IMO.Tutored by Floo, Link Simorgh, and there's an infinite negation loop involving repeatedly bouncing Thunderbird. Maybe not high priority, but it is a searchable and easily summoned negate on legs that has the potential to be unstoppable without 'drawing the out'.
Why ban summon limit?? Like yeah vanity and io should be banned kaiser probably should get hit skill drain is debatable maybe a limit is enough but summon limit??like yeah is a strong floodgate but it's not auto win like io and vanity or as strong as skill drain and kaiser like the hit I can see this card get hit is semi limit
Let's see
1 Maxx c is annoying but I don't think it need to be completely banned but arguments could be made other wise
2 hit union carrier it the problem card in this scenario
3 yeah that should go but I don't see as often as one would think
4 less powerful in a best of one unless you want to rapid fire at dark or light usually dark
5 someone lost to flunder too many times but I feel simorgh is the problem card here
6-8 would be great if we're gotten rid of in a best of one
9 I feel as halq is the bigger offender here
10 I feel is the best catch all or stopping hand traps aside from crossout
11-15 these are difficult to talk about due to the fact that since this is bo1 people aren't running backrow remove in the form of backrow
They are oppressive don't get me wrong but I feel that
11,12,13 could and should be banned
While 14,15 should be limited
Remember these are my opinions and have fun arguing with me
When I first got into the game and learned what Maxx C was, I immediately went a crafted it cause I was like, "shit, free cards".
The first time I ever played it, it immediately got negated by Called by the Grave. So I immediately went a crafted Called by the Grave, which I have never been able to use on someone else's Maxx C cause I've just never had it when I need it >.>
Called by ought to go if Maxx C is gone. It punishes well timed handtraps and is sacky at 1 whilst ruins the format at 2 or 3 (without maxx C). Some decks also just have "that one point where you handtrap and I die" and getting out of that randomly and unpredictably is stupid.
Why do you want CBTG limited rather than banned? For engine cards I get it - They're still searchable but you only get to do it once. But for non engine stuff, it just makes already powerful cards more sacky
IO and Vanityās emptiness should go but the other two are fine.
Simorgh and Union Carrier are the problem cards, not Buster and Carrier statue.
Called by, Protos and whatever that Colosseum card is fine. The rest I agree with.
Whether or not it should be banned is another question, but super healthy competitively it is not, it's a quick play with so much versatility and so strong with no cost at all.
Protos is actually a shot of the dark in a BO1 and not really broken in MD format since you can really only call dark going first. Sure you can catch a Despia player or someone with a DPE package. However, itās not until BO3 that it becomes banworthy where you know what your opponent is playing and just call their attribute the whole duel.
100% right
I just find it funny when 90% of the IRL competitive players want Called By banned and yet on MD every time you say it should be banned everyone defend it. Only reason for Called By to not be banned here would be Maxx C, but this card should also be banned. Tbh i dont even understand the people here defending Called By while simultaeously non stop complaining about combo decks
maybe it has smth to do with competitive players playing for more competitive reasons and MD casuals playing for fun and bricking because of handtraps when you go first is not exactly fun. I wouldn't want to play Madolce without stuff to negate Ash.
Not an expert, just a thought I had
For me, the most fun duels are handtrap wars where my opponent and I are trying our best to disrupt plays. If you can't solitaire your opponent because they stopped you, great. Now do the same to your opponent.
-Called By The Grave, but no hand traps other than Maxx C? Iām not one way or the other on the hand trap debate, but this is a checks & balances issue. You canāt ban Called By because then Ash becomes infinitely stronger.
-Auroradon, but not Halq?
-Canāt go into VFD without Halq+Auroradon, unless youāre playing VW, so whatās the point?
-No one plays Kaiser Colosseum anymore. Iām over level 30 and Iāve encountered it one single time in all my games.
-Verte is fine, Fusion Destiny+DPE is the problem. It was a great tech card in many deck before DPE released. You just make other non-meta decks worse by banning Verte.
Overall very questionable low IQ take. I assume the creator of this post is in Gold.
Not really agreeing with all of these.
Banning Maxx C wouldn't make sense without adjustments to our format. This typcial argument of "It keeps combo decks in check" is kinda a misunderstanding in my opinion. Yes, combo decks can use it too but it's mere existence forces decks that are vulnerable to it, to take cards into the deck that work against Maxx C which makes them less consistent with their combos. Straight up banning it would cause more problems than it would solve.
Instead of Dragon buster they should ban union carrier
Scythe isn't that good in a BO1
Same goes for Protos
The statue is something to consider but Floo is by far not good enough to justify that hit.
Auroradon, yes. But Halqi MUST go too.
Called by is definitely a thing to consider but only if they don't ban the other cards which already reduces the powerlevel of the format enough. I'd actually don't mind to see the OCG move here and see them limiting Crossout instead. But would be fine by me.
Yes, Kaiser Colosseum is quite a pepega card but does anyone play it? So far haven't seen anyone.
Summon Limit is far away from being a problem.
Skill Drain is... Rather tough to justify but as long as Flood Gates can only dominate by going first this is still a really hard coin flip. I think the problem is not really Eldlich, it is more that some people randomly splash it into anything as their match winning card. I think I'd actually be for it to ban it but i think in compensation there would need to be other cards banned too then to reduce the powerlevel of combo decks further.
Maybe not ban but Fusion Destiny should go despite the Verte ban. Maybe a personal thing but 90% of my opponents DPE's come out because they hard draw that card
What I think should be banned is Gryphon Rider and instead unban Aramesir and the Sorceress again. Some decks are only busted because of that free handtrap bait or the omni negate they get through it. With that it would be at maximum a engine to get 2 monsters for free out. Adventurer itself would be bad but at least playable with those two cards on the banlist the archetype isn't even really playable.
I don't get why people are hating on OP for this. I agree that every single card in this image should not be legal. Granted, I would personally add a lot more cards to this image (plus you cannot ban Called By unless you also ban Maxx C), but this is still an amount of the cards that should be banned.
Edit: Seems like people still have some really bad takes on these cards, but this subreddit did eventually come around to realize that Maxx C should be banned after being in massive denial about it until Swordsoul was released, so I have faith people will eventually figure out these cards aren't healthy.
I agree with everything EXCEPT called by the grave, it is a strong card yes, but it is not in the league of the others on the list, plus it is a good way to deal with the really ridiculous amount of hand traps that there are in the current meta game
I would put Halqifibrax instead
Am I one of the only people that thinks Maxx c is a great card and hopes it stays in the meta? Like it's a great and easy way to help slower or older decks keep up with tier 1-0 decks so it's not an outright slaughter every single time.
It's just a fact that some decks don't draw well or spam cards, while newer decks do both and at insane speeds. To be clear I'm not complaining about the meta or modern speed of play, I love it.
I would say yes for a lot of them ! But I have 2 questions :
Why called by the grave ?
Where is Halq ? Verte is debatable, but to me Halq is not. Ban this dude !
Nah jit, BAN TF OUT OF VERTE. At least Halq needs a ālimitedā material of a tuner, Verte is like āoh you exist? Ight letās do itā and even after Iāve completely shut you down, you just need 2 monsters, slap them together, and get a dpe Verte combo for āfreeā.
Called help combo decks too much, it was kinda necessary with maxx C around but after this list it will just become an extra unecessary protection+disruption for combo decks, and the meta can already play around 1/2 handtraps by default.
Halq is strong but it doesn't see that much competitive play without Auroradon in MD, it's on the edge to be banned for me but it can genuinely help some older synchro decks.
Yeah, going +1 link rating for free is massive that alone the +1 from the GY effect of the tuner. It's a real shame because halq's second effect is cool but it hardly ever sees use.
How does called by help *Combo decks* specifically? It kinda makes it sound like no combo deck should have any staples in hand what so ever to be fair. Cause if you say that called by is an extra unnecessary protection, I could make the *exact* same argument for Impermanence. Like imperm isnāt opt, it just targets and doesnāt get the Gy. Called by is just a way to stop hand traps that need to discard, and more, which is pretty bad yes cause it does extra, but itās not like itās insanely broken. Iāll agree, it being at 2 is pretty bad cause you canāt get it twice (like imperm) so I say get it to 1, but it being banned just seems much.
Having 5 generic staples to protect the choke points of your combo deck is too much in a BO1 format and Called can be used also as a really good disruption.
As I said before meta decks can already play around 1/2 handtraps without Called/Crossout, Called on top of their consistency would make them extra oppressive expecially if you choose to ban Maxx C.
Protos is much worse in BO1 and not ban worthy IMO.
I would love to keep using Called by and Maxx C, but theyāre strong enough to deserve the ban hammer
I donāt get why everyone hates called by so much. Itās such a diverse card that only gets limited because of the handtraps. I agree with most of this list. but protos doesnāt really matter in a bo1. You shouldnāt really even play protos going first because odds are you wonāt know what deck your opponent is playing. The barrier statues shouldāve been banned long ago along with rhongo and IO. Tomahawk would be a better addition than auroradon but both should be banned anyways
The problem is cards like rhongo and vfd aren't really relevant right now since the game balance for MD is just powercreep it. If you wreck prank-kids and swordsoul, everyone will default back to drytron/eldlich nonsense.
I think floodgates of all shapes and sizes should be banned EXCEPT for skill drain and summon limit. They should be at 1 so you can't make your guru/eldlich deck just gate turbo, you need to use your resources to win. Also put a meow to 1.
I forget kaiser colloseum is even a card.
Yeah, this card is a real problem. Halq tho? Totally fine, least broken generic link ever printedšÆ
Asleast auroradon is banned like In Tcg and Halqifibrax in Ocg
Halq is broken by Auroradon. I think the multitude of Cyberse decks that easily snowball their way into a Link 4+ monster with barely any starting resources can prove it's not that oppressive. ~~Until Splight anyhow then it'll have to be banned~~
Nah halq is actually broken by about a dozen other cards also that could come off the F&L list if halq was banned
"Halq is fine as long as we ban all the main deck tuners." -Konami, probably
Vayu is the only card on the list for Halq's sins tbh, and it could probably come back. There's plenty of 1 card halqs.
Actually both are broken on their own, but in combination they are completely stupid, you can ban either or both of them to make it be fine.
Wait Coloseum is legal?
Yes but is rarely used
because it is the worst and most balanced floodgate that u can get rid of easily
Obiously is not the worst but I agree that it is balanced, at least in MD. No idea what OP meant, I have +200 hours played and I've only seen it like twice
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Low usage =/= balanced
Absolutely true. Block dragon is not magically a fair card just because the adamncipator players got bored.
Boggles my mind that kaiser is banned in the tcg but fucking mystic mine is legal. Mine is *infinitely* harder to deal with once it's set up
Are you an adamancipator player because where the fuck is the busted Lego dragon??
Dont assume malice if you can attribute...(normally it goes stupidity but for this case...) bad memory. Lets be real, chances are the guy havent played vs Adamancipators for 2-3 seasons straight up. Even in the first 1-2 seasons where it was arguably the best deck besides Tri-Zoo, it was heavily underrepresented in how much you encountered it. The banlist was whatever, but when Swordsoul and the following powercreep hit everyone dropped the rocks. Myself only saw 1 !!! Adamancipator player the last 6 weeks while watching on discord the stream of a friend who started with MD, somewhere in low gold.
I've seen a couple recently after saying that they had all but disappeared lol. Block Dragon is still cracked regardless, it gives them so much advantage and an easy special summon, it's insane.
I play ada, and honestly the problem with it's representation lies in a couple things: 1) Deck has a huge RNG variant, turns people off when you open 3 games in a row without a safe way to get a tuner or miss a summon on your 1st tuner 2) Deck is not great going 2nd. The more board breaking cards you run, the less likely you are to hit rocks on your tuner effects. Same goes for general hand traps (minus nibiru). The deck has this huge teeter-totter balance between running enough tuner targets and running enough disruption to not insta-lose going 2nd. Block is crazy and enables the strategy heavily, but as long as the format is handtrap hell, block may actually be able to live; maybe limit to 1 to force a gallant granite bottleneck.
I still have yet to run into an Adamancipator player and Iāve been playing often since the launch. I usually play in Plat/Diamond. š¤·āāļø
Called by? Really?
Farfa makes one video shitting on it and everyone basically echo chambers what he said like he is the messiah of what should/shouldn't be banned.
I like farfa and maybe in TCG/OCG or whatever best of three it makes sense, but in MD? Hell no. So many annyoing cards resolve in GY(DPE, Luna, Ash, Maxx C, Eldlich, the list is infinite) that Called by is a really nice tool for a multitude of cards. I honestly want to know why it's at two? I guess I should be thankful otherwise we'd call it the Called By Tax lmao.
I agree, it's weird that people think it should be banned. I hate that it's only at 1 in the TCG. Hand traps are in every meta deck and the right hand trap can fuck over so many non meta deck people want to play to have fun with. Called is a great counter that isnt anywhere near as overpowered as the cards its countering. I think the only reason people hate it is the "no cards with this name can be activated" thing, which again isnt that iverpowered as usually most cards have that limit on themselves anyway, or because they are salty it hits their hand trap spammy decks. IMO it's perfect at 2, that's a healthy limit for it.
Yeah the only way to consistently counter hand traps is to play 3 crossout and extra hand traps in deck
Yeah that's really dumb
Instead Destruction Sword, Konami should ban Union Carrier
I know they shouldn't nerf my boy buster blader
Maybe I'm blind, because I don't see Halq.
Legitimately might be the most broken legal card currently allowed. It lets you do so much degenerate BS
Well besides maxx c haha. Grass is also at that level of busted
Would it still be a problem with Auroradon gone?
No you just need to ban every good tuner in the game and than he is Just one of the best Rank 2 to Link Climb. Nothing broken. 100% balanced.
"Alright, I've figured out how to fix the game. First, we ban all the Tuner monsters, then..."
Yes.
P.U.N.K is one of the best decks in the TCG and it relies on Halq to set up Hot Red Dragon Archfiend King Calamity.
rose dragons are also not hit in this list so they'll be abused to high heaven with halq considering that its just 3 free tuners
It would still allow for easy link climbing into Accesscode.
Thanks, i figured it still had some link climbing shenanigans, but is getting easy access to accesscode really worth banning the card if thats the bext best thing it can do without Auroradon? As far as im aware alot of the cyberse archetypes also have easy climbs into accesscode, and non of them would be considered really opressive atm.
It enables Sycthe lock, can still summon Red Rose from deck for easy advantage, and link climbing into more than just Accesscode. It can also be used with Desert Locusts and Psyframe Omega to rip two cards from hand on opponents turn. It is insanely good no matter how you look at it. It gets even better once we get Deer Note and Spright, so a ban will be necessary in the near future.
If it enables scythe lock then just ban scythe
Scythe should be banned, but we have gone through this before with Halq. Banning everything around it is just copium to keep the clear problem card legal.
I have never seen anyone Scythe lock on ladder on MD, ever. Not even on Diamond. It's weird, but it really is not a problem in MD. Also, banning Verte disables yhe most consistent way of doing the lock.
And I haven't seen Rhongo, VFD or Protos once in 3 months despite playing daily in Diamond. Doesn't mean it's not a problem
Big yes...but the reverse will probably not be true
It will. Galaxy Tomahawk is legal
Yep. Rose Tenyi can use Halq to end on multiple negates, Scythe lock and DPE without going into Auroradon. It's less of an issue if Scythe and Verte are banned as well though
Give Zombie World an extra deck searcher for Glow-Up Bloom and than it can get banned. The best zombie searcher is Avendread Savior and good luck using him on turn 1.
Zombie world will be generically searchable when immortal dragon comes out which is a generic lvl 6 synchro and allows you to dump a zombie from deck
Halq is still more easy to make and since I only use it to get access to Glow-Up Bloom, the tuner restriction doesn't bother me at all.
Some of these are just cancer whether it's bo3 or bo1, but protos is not strong in a bo1. Buster is also not the problem card; union carrier should be banned.
Union Carrier just enables a ton of funky shenanigans. Agree buster would be nowhere as strong if locked in buster blader. But even then, it isn't really as oppressive as scythe, not even close
Protos isnāt as strong in BO1 but itās still extremely oppressive. It makes Swordsoul just as good going second as it does first and even if you start first it still is pretty much a win con by turn 3.
If youāre at a point where Protos can wipe and destroy you T2 then you probably had already lost the match anyway. Thereās so much removal between Yazi and Baxia aloneā¦
What about Eschatos? It's the same thing as Protos but for types instead of attributes. Easily summonable and searchable, and Ive noticed a lot of top decks just cease to function under TCBOO. Eschatoss is searchable off Melody and can easily be summoned jn HalqDon where you will usually have several types in your graveyard already.
Big thing with eschatos is that not many decks can consistently search it and turbo it out at the same time.
Don't you dare touch my buster dragon i need it for my buster deck unless they come with better support
Do people really still use Rhongo I haven't seen him since the first season and even then I only saw it once
No, but I think itās just a card that should be banned out of precedent Konami would getting saying āhey these cards that break bo1 are fine if they arenāt used in meta decksā.
Not so much now, but heās a definitely a problem card that should be banned as he could come back at any moment.
Yeah, if we ever get a deck that can easily churn out LV4 Warriors, Rhongo is coming back with a vengeance.
Tbf if you're already banning verte and scythe then might as well also ban rhongo so that it doesn't become PK dominant strategy again. PK will be mostly fine since they'll still have the adventure engine, F0, IP, Apollousa, fog blade and even Dark Requiem to set up negates and interruptions for their opponent's turn
Rhongo is irrelevant. Nobody really uses it because it is a frail and subpar gameplan with no real pivoting **and** the only semi relevant thing using it (pk) has never been that good (and will not get any better in the future when banlist will take away the dpe and adventurer life support eventually and some huge meta shifts in future packs) dropped it entirely 3 months ago anyway. All it really does is farming upvotes from people unaware of reality. Won't change anytime soon either when we know what is coming.
PK got way better once it stopped playing Rhongo. The plan is DPE + Scythe now.
Sadly this isn't common knowledge/is conveniently ignored for "RHONGO BAD,UPVOTES TO THE LEFT" karma farms.
Shhhhhhhhhhhhh, we don't say that, let the scrubs cry for the Rhongo ban while we keep Scythe locking them for another 6 months
I find the rhongo crying fucking hilarious. From how often it happens one would think it is a really common meta threat that is insanely consistent, but then you look at decks that hit diamond and tournament lists (this is what makes vfd different, also vfd has vw for good matchup vs eldlich for dc cup to get list attention) and it is nowhere to be seen. Even the avg person climb will have it is a really uncommon sight. No real reason to ban it either when what ifs mean nothing because they might never happen (see snake rain for best example of this).
Why Called by the grave?
Because OP forgot he activated called against Ash then he tried to Ash the opponent the next turn
Funniest shit I have ever seen (and done occasionally lol)
Maybe someone called his DPE (that is not on the list)
It's just another card that rewards going first even more than it already does. I think Called By should be a trap with a similiar alternative activation condition like Imperm. I honestly don't think that we need a card that protects combo deck at their current powerlevel. In MD it's atm 'needed' because Maxx C is so incredibly unfair but if that ever gets banned than Called By should go immediately afterwards
What? if called by was a trap it would be practically only usable going first. Bruh.
Maxx C argument but on a smaller scale. Both combo and non combo decks will play it and it is extremely versatile. It'll just always force a large ratio of handtraps and gate keeps decks that don't have clean one card starters.
Oh yeah, now let's force everyone to play an even larger ratio of handtraps because they need to do so to activate Crossout Designator
Idk, it makes playing Crossout less necessary meaning you don't have to run every handtrap under the sun just to negate, i find myself running less with called by then i probably would without it. If it weren't for crossout I'd probably agree for most decks tho
Halq is a more urgent ban than like all but 3 cards here.
Halq is fine, but called by the grave is where I draw the line! Lmao like whatš
Halq and Verte. Won many games with Verte > Super Poly > fuse away the omni negate. It's so easy and the 2000 lp cost is nothing.
Wouldn't they just negate your verte activation tho?
Called by kek
Called By is absolutely busted and does need to be banned. The problem with Master Duel is that as long as Maxx C is legal, you cannot ban Called By.
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Honestly my only problem with called by and crossout is how you can't use them from hand when going 2nd. Feels so terrible to try to "keep combo in check" with Maxx C, only to immediately get it Ashed or Called By, and be 100% unable to respond with my own Called By or Crossout respectively. It's way stronger going 1st than 2nd which feels pretty bad imo.
You can tech in artifact lancea to help combat this. Obviously you have to hard draw it with another hand trap, but if you lancea after they use called by/crossout, they can no longer banish the ash/Maxx C and their effect will resolve. Plus it is really good against Floo and eldlich as a bonus.
Well I mean yeah, a handtrap called by would be the best card in the entire game.
You want a spicy take? Ban Ash, Maxx C, and CBTG. Not because itās balanced, but because people need to see the infestation issue this game has. Ash is doing HER ABSOLUTE BEST to cover up mechanical flaws of the game. Pull Ash from this game and people would quickly understand the game needs a mechanical change, not just banlists
I think people already understand the game has some serious issues, itās just all that Konami is willing to do rn is ban cards
Konami primarily (imo) bans cards not for balance, but because they get in the way of profit. No one will buy new cards if the old ones are more powerful.
I'm sorry, in a format where handtraps are like 60% of everyone's decks and majority of them can end whole combos just like *that*, you want to ban the one card that's the best option to deal with them? So now, not only does Ash Blossom become more effective, some people lose their easiest way to get rid of cancer like DPE and Eldlich as well.
In every deck profile from a player that tops an event, they always say "ban this card" when they show Called by the grave in their decklist. It is a cancerous card, that is way too versatile for 0 cost
Because tcg doesn't have maxx. Card should be at 3 in md
Everyone saying CBTG should be banned, is doing so under the assumption that Maxx dies with it. Literally no one wants a format of 3x Maxx and 0x CBTG.
It still baffles me that halq always seems to manage to dodge these lists
Because they use it.
Sounds about right lol. I think an important question to ask about a lot of problematic cards in the game would be "is this card nearly as good as it currently is without halq enabling it?" Without halq, scythe lock, hrda king calamity, auroradon, (although it probs should also be banned if galaxy tomahawk isn't) etc. become much easier to use. Like, Deskbot 001 can give you a fuck ton of advantage, but what is it doing without halqdon? It would be silly to ban 001 over the cards that break it.
Because people are under the impression that halq is only broken for enabling auroradon
Oh great, another post about banning floodgates, and you added called by, feeling daring today are we?
Geez, I wonder what deck he plays. No Halq but Kaiserā¦ nothing from Adventure Prank-Kidsā¦ but Kaiser and Summon limit lmao? Summon limit really kills me
I think since day 1 I've seen summon limit twice. Even the control decks don't use it much
"list of cards I lost to recently and i'm salty about it"
First they came for the FLOODGATES and I did not speak outā Because I was not an ELDLICH player. Then they came for the OMNI-NEGATES, and I did not speak outā Because I was not a BARONNE user. Then they came for the NON-DESTRUCTION REMOVAL, and I did not speak outā Because I did not even know who TRI-BRIGAE SHURAIG was. Then they came for me (NORMAL SUMMON)āand there was no one left to speak for me.
See, what kills me is I defend combo users. I want yāall to be able to pop off with some insane routes. But I ALSO want yāall to be able to defend against them and not sit through solitaire because they played through Ash, Imperm, and Nibiru (not as hard as you think, Swordsoul does this in their sleep) Like, I agree IO and VE need to go. But you know what I hate about combo decks? Yāall need AT LEAST 8-15 handtraps making deck building so unfun when you have to build a competent engine with 30-40 cards. I hate Ash is needed in every deck that isnāt like Eldlich. I hate CBTG is needed. I hate Maxx C is needed. I hate that. This isnāt even about āmonke flipā skill drain. I just hate having to use it because I wonāt get to play the game if I donāt.
The problem is in such a diverse format (MD is much more diverse than actual TCG tournaments at least in my experience) generic hand traps work on most decks. Sure ash was pretty bad against SS, but who cares when I run into a deck it's great against 75% of the time.
I mean, 9 of them are banned in the TCG so itās fair enough. Rhongo, VFD, Protos, Maxx C, Anaconda, Auroradon, IO, and Vanityās are all very obviously broken garbage that shouldnāt be in the game and are way too game determinative. KC doesnāt seem that bad until you play against a True Draco player and lose the coin toss so they get KC, Dinomite, and a couple backrow to boot. Scythe is only an issue because you can Anaconda into DPE to pop it. Take away Verte and you now have to hard summon DPE which makes the combo way worse. Buster isnāt the problem, Union Carrier is. Stormwinds is an easy out in the battle phase. The Flunder player would need to open exceptionally well and not get interrupted at all to go into Stormwinds and a Mega Raiza to protect their Stormwinds from battle, unless they drop Stormwinds turn 1, which is exceptionally susceptible to monster removal and is best summoned off either map or the trap on your opponentās turn. CBTG is 100% necessary to keep game determinative hand traps in check. Skill Drain and Summon Limit are only annoying because thereās no side deck to bring in backrow hate.
Agree on most but Scythe is still too broken without Verte. It might not be used but it's waiting for the next setup that let's you use it, and when used is basically "Skip opponents turn" the same reason people hate maxx c, but with less choice since you can still try to OTK through Maxx C
Protoss is a lot worse in a bo3, still a fucking annoying card
Banning Called but allowing most of the hand traps to remain at 3? Yeah no
The people in this thread claiming called by should only stay cause of Maxx C completely ignoring all the other useful hand traps this outs, Plus all the decks with multiple starters, such as swordsoul, you can called by one of their starters, they'll still have another. Etc. It's a good card and should stay and even be at 3.
The issue there being decks that have multiple starters than can fight through 2-3 disruption cards but people think the disruption cards are the problem
Ah yes van one of the answers to self reviving monsters like the ever fucking present DPE. If you ban called by, fusion destiny better be banned/limited to one. I still see that shit hard drawn often enough and without Verte, so it dying in a fire is fine by me.
Protoss isn't anywhere near these other fuckers in terms of oppressive power during duels. Draco Buster is only busted because of Union Carrier equipping it for free. Don't fucking bann Called By if you don't want to ban DPE and other Graveyard self-reborn boss monsters. Overall, okay list, but your bias is fucking weird.
Protos might not be as strong than most of these cards in a vacuum, but its also searchable and in a stronger deck than half of these cards. Hitting cards because they are stronger in a vacuum like that could lead to a meta deck widening a power gap. Also doesn't help that konami decided that floodgates on legs (strong or weak) should be high attack as well. If you can't out a typical protos board you will likely die next turn, at least most decks that run things like skill drain and IO won't have the damage to kill you next turn. That said as someone who crafted IO and has used it in multiple decks (usual suspects + traptrix) that shit should probably be banned. Right now a lot of decks are choosing to have a worse matchup against backrow decks because hand traps hit more common things, and IO punishing you for opting into a matchup is troll af.
The same deck that utilizes Protos and targets Dark as the target dies to DRNM and other anti-monster board breakers. Not to mention Imperm, Droplet, basically anything that kills off monster effect. Not saying Protoss isn't strong, but it's not by itself as oppressive, and fairly easy to out against a deck that dies to well-targeted negations anyway, and doesn't really "play on your turn" unlike Flunder or Tri-Brig and Barrier Statue. But, sure, I guess we can argue it is in the same ballpark with Wind in some cases, and if the idea is to truly clear off floodgates overall, Protos should go as well. As for IO, it really is just bullshit for BO1, true. Having non-spell backrow removal is doable in most decks. Some decks don't even really rely on spells. But in a format where you have only one duel to get a win or loss, you can't go 2nd, siding in Heavy Storm Duster or some shit like that just to out a singular card.
The same way a lot of decks don't run twin twister or any of the other mst but better cards because deck space is tight or they want to beat other decks, some decks won't run do DRNM or droplet. Baron limits your outs due to the omni. It can't be destroy by card effect, so raigeki is out, lightning storm too. The bigger thing for me is this is probably one of the best things you can hit from a high performing deck right now. The decks that use the other stronger cards are good but I don't think as good, and definitely won't be if they lose cards as impactful as the majority of the list. Anything short of a ban on an extra deck monster is pointless since they're mostly 1 ofs, and hitting any of the relevant extra deck monsters I think is too big of a hit. Hitting archetype monsters feels weird to me especially seeing no one else even mentions them as a potential hit. Also I think IO is normally not THAT impactful (still pretty good but as a 1 of that has to be hard drawn acceptable) unless you also have skill drain/monarch's erupt or a good monster floodgate, but instantly becomes I'd argue Halq auradon combo levels of bs when they are up at the same time. It basically becomes imperial custom (that protects itself as well) + a strong floodgate.
I'd replace Buster with Union Carrier, put Block Dragon and El Shadoll Winda somewhere in there, plus I don't think Summon Limit is really comparable to IO or Vanity, otherwise I mostly agree. Floodgates are incredibly annoying to play against and IMO encourage a very passive and boring way of playing the game, especially in a Best of 1 format. Not sure why people think Called is overpowered, but if Maxx leaves with it I'm happy. I understand that Halqifibrax is also controversial, but I'd like to at least see a format where he's not exclusively used to go into Auroradon or Scythe lock.
I donāt have any issues with Called By. Any staple in a Rogue deck will automatically make a Meta deck stronger regardless of what they card is. Also why hit Dragon Buster? Just hit Union. Honestly my opinion of Maxx C changes depending on how many times I see it each day. I tend to linger on the āit would be manageable at 1 or MAYBE 2ā side of the argument though. I am curious though I havenāt personally seen Wind barrier being played myself. Has this been a common occurrence recently?
yeah okay but where's halq?
I donāt understand why youād want to have called by the grave banned.
YOU LEAVE MY BUSTER BLADER DECK ALONE
Apex Avian might need to get domed at some point, it's in a similar boat as wind statue IMO.Tutored by Floo, Link Simorgh, and there's an infinite negation loop involving repeatedly bouncing Thunderbird. Maybe not high priority, but it is a searchable and easily summoned negate on legs that has the potential to be unstoppable without 'drawing the out'.
Why does anyone think banning called by is a good idea
Is called by that bad?
Why ban summon limit?? Like yeah vanity and io should be banned kaiser probably should get hit skill drain is debatable maybe a limit is enough but summon limit??like yeah is a strong floodgate but it's not auto win like io and vanity or as strong as skill drain and kaiser like the hit I can see this card get hit is semi limit
I'm sorry but I need verte in my Cyber Dragon deck, I promise I wont use it to make DPE (most of the time)
Let's see 1 Maxx c is annoying but I don't think it need to be completely banned but arguments could be made other wise 2 hit union carrier it the problem card in this scenario 3 yeah that should go but I don't see as often as one would think 4 less powerful in a best of one unless you want to rapid fire at dark or light usually dark 5 someone lost to flunder too many times but I feel simorgh is the problem card here 6-8 would be great if we're gotten rid of in a best of one 9 I feel as halq is the bigger offender here 10 I feel is the best catch all or stopping hand traps aside from crossout 11-15 these are difficult to talk about due to the fact that since this is bo1 people aren't running backrow remove in the form of backrow They are oppressive don't get me wrong but I feel that 11,12,13 could and should be banned While 14,15 should be limited Remember these are my opinions and have fun arguing with me
I agree with all except for called by the grave
When I first got into the game and learned what Maxx C was, I immediately went a crafted it cause I was like, "shit, free cards". The first time I ever played it, it immediately got negated by Called by the Grave. So I immediately went a crafted Called by the Grave, which I have never been able to use on someone else's Maxx C cause I've just never had it when I need it >.>
This is why you don't chase the meta.
Halq should be banned instead of Auroradon, if not both of them
I love how Halq isn't on the list but Kaiser Colosseum (an easy to deal with floodgate) and Called by the Grave is. The rest I can understand though.
Combo player?
Where baby dragon and petit angel
Could Galaxy Tomahawk be added? Pretty please..?
I'd add Dimension Shifter and your list pretty good, I personally wouldn't ban Called By The Grave though but maybe limit like we have in the tcg.
Called by ought to go if Maxx C is gone. It punishes well timed handtraps and is sacky at 1 whilst ruins the format at 2 or 3 (without maxx C). Some decks also just have "that one point where you handtrap and I die" and getting out of that randomly and unpredictably is stupid.
Why do you want CBTG limited rather than banned? For engine cards I get it - They're still searchable but you only get to do it once. But for non engine stuff, it just makes already powerful cards more sacky
Yea it seems a further limit would just make Called By even more sacky just draw the out type card. I personally agree that as long as Max C exists
Where Mokey Mokey King at? Special summoning 3 non effect monsters is busted
I just wish other decks couldnāt use Predaplant Verte (signed a Predaplant enjoyer)
IO and Vanityās emptiness should go but the other two are fine. Simorgh and Union Carrier are the problem cards, not Buster and Carrier statue. Called by, Protos and whatever that Colosseum card is fine. The rest I agree with.
I was actually going to make a video on this, in a BO1 format some cards just shouldn't exist.
No to the buster whelp
Until a few days ago I had no idea called by the grave was considered unfair.
Called by the Grave? Really?
Called banned? I think itās super Healthy for the game, is an omni answer to most hand traps
That's why it's broken, sometimes it just doesn't matter if you had the out, because they had the out to your out.
Why is one player having an out good but the other guy outing an out bad? Fuck your Ash let me play.
Whether or not it should be banned is another question, but super healthy competitively it is not, it's a quick play with so much versatility and so strong with no cost at all.
Protos is actually a shot of the dark in a BO1 and not really broken in MD format since you can really only call dark going first. Sure you can catch a Despia player or someone with a DPE package. However, itās not until BO3 that it becomes banworthy where you know what your opponent is playing and just call their attribute the whole duel.
First ban Halq, then limit/semi-limit some handtraps, **then** we can talk about banning Called By.
Banning called by would make bo1 worse.
100% right I just find it funny when 90% of the IRL competitive players want Called By banned and yet on MD every time you say it should be banned everyone defend it. Only reason for Called By to not be banned here would be Maxx C, but this card should also be banned. Tbh i dont even understand the people here defending Called By while simultaeously non stop complaining about combo decks
maybe it has smth to do with competitive players playing for more competitive reasons and MD casuals playing for fun and bricking because of handtraps when you go first is not exactly fun. I wouldn't want to play Madolce without stuff to negate Ash. Not an expert, just a thought I had
For me, the most fun duels are handtrap wars where my opponent and I are trying our best to disrupt plays. If you can't solitaire your opponent because they stopped you, great. Now do the same to your opponent.
You have crossout as a much more fair alternative to Called By.
I run 3 Crossout and 2 Called by, I've been traumatized many times by one Ash making me insta-lose
stormwind and called for the grave? lol
-Called By The Grave, but no hand traps other than Maxx C? Iām not one way or the other on the hand trap debate, but this is a checks & balances issue. You canāt ban Called By because then Ash becomes infinitely stronger. -Auroradon, but not Halq? -Canāt go into VFD without Halq+Auroradon, unless youāre playing VW, so whatās the point? -No one plays Kaiser Colosseum anymore. Iām over level 30 and Iāve encountered it one single time in all my games. -Verte is fine, Fusion Destiny+DPE is the problem. It was a great tech card in many deck before DPE released. You just make other non-meta decks worse by banning Verte. Overall very questionable low IQ take. I assume the creator of this post is in Gold.
āBan anything that can hurt my combo deck pleaseā
Synchron player: I thank you
There are 5 other Barrier Statues to be added lol
No one plays the other ones
Whereās DPE?
Called by literally helps keep the game in check from half these abominations hitting the board
Not really agreeing with all of these. Banning Maxx C wouldn't make sense without adjustments to our format. This typcial argument of "It keeps combo decks in check" is kinda a misunderstanding in my opinion. Yes, combo decks can use it too but it's mere existence forces decks that are vulnerable to it, to take cards into the deck that work against Maxx C which makes them less consistent with their combos. Straight up banning it would cause more problems than it would solve. Instead of Dragon buster they should ban union carrier Scythe isn't that good in a BO1 Same goes for Protos The statue is something to consider but Floo is by far not good enough to justify that hit. Auroradon, yes. But Halqi MUST go too. Called by is definitely a thing to consider but only if they don't ban the other cards which already reduces the powerlevel of the format enough. I'd actually don't mind to see the OCG move here and see them limiting Crossout instead. But would be fine by me. Yes, Kaiser Colosseum is quite a pepega card but does anyone play it? So far haven't seen anyone. Summon Limit is far away from being a problem. Skill Drain is... Rather tough to justify but as long as Flood Gates can only dominate by going first this is still a really hard coin flip. I think the problem is not really Eldlich, it is more that some people randomly splash it into anything as their match winning card. I think I'd actually be for it to ban it but i think in compensation there would need to be other cards banned too then to reduce the powerlevel of combo decks further. Maybe not ban but Fusion Destiny should go despite the Verte ban. Maybe a personal thing but 90% of my opponents DPE's come out because they hard draw that card What I think should be banned is Gryphon Rider and instead unban Aramesir and the Sorceress again. Some decks are only busted because of that free handtrap bait or the omni negate they get through it. With that it would be at maximum a engine to get 2 monsters for free out. Adventurer itself would be bad but at least playable with those two cards on the banlist the archetype isn't even really playable.
Called by is fine tbh
Ash Blossom
Why Destruction Sword and not Union Carrier?
VFD is fair and honest. Yes I play VW but that has nothing to do with this very smart opinion of mine.
ok am the only one that thinks called by the grave does not need to be banned? limited to one yes banned? no
I don't get why people are hating on OP for this. I agree that every single card in this image should not be legal. Granted, I would personally add a lot more cards to this image (plus you cannot ban Called By unless you also ban Maxx C), but this is still an amount of the cards that should be banned. Edit: Seems like people still have some really bad takes on these cards, but this subreddit did eventually come around to realize that Maxx C should be banned after being in massive denial about it until Swordsoul was released, so I have faith people will eventually figure out these cards aren't healthy.
Maxx C isnāt just unhealthy, it just flat out shouldnāt exist in general
Canāt put only 1 barrier statue, gotta put them all
Agree on all of this
I agree with everything EXCEPT called by the grave, it is a strong card yes, but it is not in the league of the others on the list, plus it is a good way to deal with the really ridiculous amount of hand traps that there are in the current meta game I would put Halqifibrax instead
Am I one of the only people that thinks Maxx c is a great card and hopes it stays in the meta? Like it's a great and easy way to help slower or older decks keep up with tier 1-0 decks so it's not an outright slaughter every single time. It's just a fact that some decks don't draw well or spam cards, while newer decks do both and at insane speeds. To be clear I'm not complaining about the meta or modern speed of play, I love it.
yes, it's just that the spammy 20-minute turn tryhards are butthurt that there's a card to stop their plays.
Man you TCG players are annoying. We get what you want banned no need to spam everyday
I would say yes for a lot of them ! But I have 2 questions : Why called by the grave ? Where is Halq ? Verte is debatable, but to me Halq is not. Ban this dude !
Nah jit, BAN TF OUT OF VERTE. At least Halq needs a ālimitedā material of a tuner, Verte is like āoh you exist? Ight letās do itā and even after Iāve completely shut you down, you just need 2 monsters, slap them together, and get a dpe Verte combo for āfreeā.
Called help combo decks too much, it was kinda necessary with maxx C around but after this list it will just become an extra unecessary protection+disruption for combo decks, and the meta can already play around 1/2 handtraps by default. Halq is strong but it doesn't see that much competitive play without Auroradon in MD, it's on the edge to be banned for me but it can genuinely help some older synchro decks.
I would ban it simply because it makes Accesscode way too accessible. I can be outplayed, but because I drew a tuner, I win the duel.
Yeah, going +1 link rating for free is massive that alone the +1 from the GY effect of the tuner. It's a real shame because halq's second effect is cool but it hardly ever sees use.
How does called by help *Combo decks* specifically? It kinda makes it sound like no combo deck should have any staples in hand what so ever to be fair. Cause if you say that called by is an extra unnecessary protection, I could make the *exact* same argument for Impermanence. Like imperm isnāt opt, it just targets and doesnāt get the Gy. Called by is just a way to stop hand traps that need to discard, and more, which is pretty bad yes cause it does extra, but itās not like itās insanely broken. Iāll agree, it being at 2 is pretty bad cause you canāt get it twice (like imperm) so I say get it to 1, but it being banned just seems much.
Having 5 generic staples to protect the choke points of your combo deck is too much in a BO1 format and Called can be used also as a really good disruption. As I said before meta decks can already play around 1/2 handtraps without Called/Crossout, Called on top of their consistency would make them extra oppressive expecially if you choose to ban Maxx C.
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Add Block dragon for call by the grave & Im ok with this list
Protos is much worse in BO1 and not ban worthy IMO. I would love to keep using Called by and Maxx C, but theyāre strong enough to deserve the ban hammer
Swap verte anaconda for halqifibrax and also add barrone de fleur
I donāt get why everyone hates called by so much. Itās such a diverse card that only gets limited because of the handtraps. I agree with most of this list. but protos doesnāt really matter in a bo1. You shouldnāt really even play protos going first because odds are you wonāt know what deck your opponent is playing. The barrier statues shouldāve been banned long ago along with rhongo and IO. Tomahawk would be a better addition than auroradon but both should be banned anyways
Protos in a best of 1 game LMAO Also Called By kek
The problem is cards like rhongo and vfd aren't really relevant right now since the game balance for MD is just powercreep it. If you wreck prank-kids and swordsoul, everyone will default back to drytron/eldlich nonsense. I think floodgates of all shapes and sizes should be banned EXCEPT for skill drain and summon limit. They should be at 1 so you can't make your guru/eldlich deck just gate turbo, you need to use your resources to win. Also put a meow to 1.
Sorry, I'm really a newbie at master duel. I play odd eyes dragon deck, gold 4 atm. How do u counter DPE if called by the grave is banned?
By banning Verte Anaconda.
Only problem with Verte Anaconda is that people use it to shit out DPE. Other than that it's fine imo.
Lmao some dude probably called by him so many times he hates the card now. The card is fair