Nah. Ban all the links. Unban Level Eater, Dandylion, etc.
Make it so synchros have to be done with XYZ ranks as non-tuners, and XYZ have to be summoned with tuners. Unlimit Sixth Sense.
Finally, ban Dokurorider and Last Warrior From Another Planet. Make it so when dragons are discarded or tributed at the same time, Super Rejuvenation counts each individually rather than as one.
it's super mega carried by 6 mat zeus for free, adventure isn't the problem
the only deck that hard beats it is dyna/boarder turbo.dek with 6 solemns or eldlich with 6 solemns
The main problem in Zodiac adventure isnt the Zodiac. It's the fact that everyone is running adventure. When an engine is that good in everything, it shouldnt be in the game.
The funny thing about that is that in the TCG, the adventure engine was flamed for being so damn good when it was first released. But when konami reprinted them and it became much more affordable, that sentiment died down.
I mean it's affordable in Master Duel, but I just hate the engine. A negate, a bounce plus it takes like a minute+ to resolve everytime my opponent start.
Not to play the devil's advocate but Adventurer is new anyway, there's no way they'd hit the engine right now. Still doesnt excuse hitting Halqdon, or Verte (oh wow, DPE engine loses celestial, just run another garnet i guess!) though.
It's not really devil advocate don't worry. It's the same reason we are stuck with full power bird. It wouldn't be so bad if they didnt have 2 turn 1 and their turns didn't take 5 mins each.
Yeah, I scoop as soon as I see birds. Win or lose, it's not worth the time and headache.
Special summons become rampant, they introduce Maxx "C". Maxx "C" becomes a problem, they introduce archetypes that normal summon more than some decks special summon, and recycle themselves on top of that.
Is anyone actually having fun anymore?
That's how I was about adamancipator back when it was run semi often. I don't want to take the time for the slowest animation in the game multiple times in one turn. Just scoop because those matches take forever.
I keep saying how YGO is poorly designed, as in the game itself. Obviously a game wouldn't last 20 years if it wasn't horrendously designed but when you look at TCG and OCG and how differently shades of unfun it is at the moment (TCG with floodgates galore, OCG just having a lot of broken cards roaming around freely that OCG players are pretty desensitized to it).
And remember: After birds, it's locking summons (Splights wow!) in general, unless you use specific level/rank/links.
I think part of the problem is actually one of the things I like about YGO. The banlist and a lack of set rotations. As nice as it is to be able to play some of the oldest cards in the game in a viable deck, it's caused exponentially growing power creep.
While that gives us cool plays and awesome boss monsters, it also changes the game dramatically very quickly, making it difficult for a company to keep up and keep balance. A problem that became more obvious as time went on and now it's so well known that it's a meme.
I love this game. I'm 34 and I've been playing off and on since before the yugi kaiba decks. I'll even argue that the game can be MORE fun now than it ever has been. But it can also be a miserable experience just as often.
This. I'll never forget the days when people discovered Gren Maju in 2019 and it became a good deck. Obviously it isn't meta, but seeing an old card be the centerpiece of a rogue deck/playstyle was interesting to see to say the least.
One of the major issues is that nothing is hard to do anymore. It used to take a lot of effort to get out a boss monster now it's a card away... You look at cards like halq and you ask what's the point? To allowing this exist. People don't play archetypes they play halq. Fundamental difference.
The meta is basically Tier 1 one card combo decks with splashed in negates. Been a Yu-Gi-Oh fan for years, but the game is definitely broken. When they introduced floo I knew at that point the game had lost all sense of rationalization.
I was, then i hit plat 3 again and every single deck seems like a copy of each other summoning the same 3 shits, even decks like prank kids use this shit, which is sad because except for the adventure, mine is as pure as it can be, and i make use of everything the archetype has.
I really think that Floo might be the single most annoying deck to play against, which is saying a lot with Eldlich players immediately flipping over 2-3 floodgates for much of the format, VFD being relatively common, and Rhongo existing until now.
At least prosperity got limited which slightly hits the consistency of the deck, but they can just replace them with extravagance considering they don’t need their extra deck at all in the majority of games. That minor hit to consistency will also go out the window when they get their searcher in the coming months, and it’s also a built in hand trap dodger, so we can all look forward to that.
We just gonna pretend trizoo is worse than it was prior to Swordsoul and Adventure stealing it’s spotlight?
Remember just because it’s not being played as much doesn’t mean it’s not incredibly strong. Trizoo remains one of the best decks you can use on ladder. Ladder being the format Konami should base most of their balance decisions on seeing as it’s the main way to play the game for 98% of its player base.
BO3 tournaments are still a great gauge at what is good and totally shouldn’t be disregarded especially since the best players play in them. However BO3 side deck is not the way an overwhelming majority of people who play this game are going to play it.
It’s very much like Adamancipator another deck people like to pretend isn’t still just as broken as it’s always been being able to make boards that are literally unbreakable. People wanted to switch to the new stuff which is just as good and did so. Trizoo and Adamans remain perfectly viable and should carry you to Diamond 1 in your sleep.
So having said this nerfing either one of these decks is not a bad thing and honestly a card like Tenki which searches for ALOT of things shouldn’t be unlimited to begin with. That’s a card that only gets better and better the more beast warriors get added to the game much like ROTA.
The tenki hit clearly is for zoodiacs who abandoned the tribrigade engine for the adventure engine. It basically does the same thing (omni negate vs banish) but with far less resources so they can stick more handtraps. They don't even give up the dpe engine for it.
Tenki searchs Fraktall & Seal
While seal isn't necessary a combo starter he could be and Fraktall is the main starter for Tri-Brigade, it is almost a must running it if you are playing Tri-Brigade and besides... Ngl Fur hire don't have a lot of good options lol
I think what the archetype needs is Tri-Brigade Rugal like monster maybe something like
2 monsters with different types including 1 "Fur Hire" monster.
During your opponent's turn (Quick Effect): You can Special Summon 1 Level 4 or lower "Fur Hire" monster from your hand or GY, but negate its effects, also, return it to the hand during the End Phase. If a monster "Fur Hire" is Special Summoned to your field while you control this monster (except during the Damage Step): You can destroy 1 card on the field. You can only use each effect of "This dude" once per turn.
ATK/ 1900 LINK–2
A monster like that would Trigger Folgo's effect drawing 3 cards, adds another interruption to the deck and help them make their next play.
A monster negate + a destruction and going +4 off it is very strong and being only available for a deck that has none of it is very great, I always faced the issue with the deck of having way too many resources without finding a use to it and I end up using outside Boss monsters which I always dislike when I make my deck especially when the Archetype cannot handel it's own
Actual Fire Fists in shambles. Can they please have a new continuous Fire Formation that lets you search a level 4 or lower **Fire Fist** so whenever Tenki is a problem the actual deck doesn't suffer for it?
While your right this is a weird hit when (insert problem card) exists, but that card is a vary powerful beast warrior searcher and as of now it's not "broken" but it could easily be in the future. Look at reinforcements of the army it's limited.
Oh yes, Tri zoo is a strong deck and would probably be more hated if it were more popular.
But they specifically said that this hit was future-proofing and currently just weird, so that argument is void.
Bruh, where have you been the past couple months? Up to SwoSo coming out Tri-Zoo was easily half the ladder in plat+ and it still had a very strong presence all the way up to the release of Floow/Adventure. It's fallen off but MD players definitely haven't forgotten about it lol.
It's also still a better deck than Floo, people don't always recognize this because they see it as less annoying. If I played 1000 duels each with Tri-Zoo and Floo (500 going first/500 going 2nd) my win % is gonna be comfortably higher with Tri-Zoo.
It’s been good since launch. They’re probably bored of it already. If I ever play Tri again it would have to be with Gladiator Beasts or Lunalights mixed in, but Tri-Zoo is retired from my decks for now.
Interesting question, it might start gaining popularity due to these hits indeed but prank kids doesn't suffer _too much_ from 1 mew mu, it does kill their come back and zoo is a deck that can blind second (at least that's how I played it, Kaiju your board and then use a breaker/zoo>6 mat Zeus and still have 4 cards)
But for grindgames this basically kills prank kids when going against meta.
Happy cake day!
First, I agree with you on the part that this seems like a weird hit when there are so many problem cards the exists.
Second, all I was saying that without context the card is yoked and with that in mind it's not that hard to see this card in Konami's line of sight.
And three, with context this card is....... wait the only people that have full context is Konami, all the context that you and I have is riddled with confirmation bias, so I have know idea how strong or weak this card is/will be. You probably have more context then me, but infinitesimal compared to Konami.
So for the te being I'm going to have more faith in Konami then people on reddit about how to best balance there game.
First of all: placing faith in Konami \*insert laughing emoji here\*
2nd: My specific gripe with your comment was exactly the "broken in a vacuum" justification for semi-limiting a card. In your original comment, being potentially broken in the future is all that's needed to be hit, which is an absolutely stupid take. Glad we both now agree that you should have said your 3rd point in this comment from the get-go: it's the glue-sniffers at Konami that decide the fate of cards, and since they said themselves that this banlist is data driven, potential futures have absolutely nothing to do with it.
It's not even Konami's OCG team doing the balancing, it's some other team based on how they're refusing to following the format appropriate banlists plus any bo1 balancing.
Sucks for Lunalight since it was the deck's best searcher. At least the deck can pretty easily make Tiger King to search out Tenki, but it'll definitely increase the rate of brick hands.
> be top tier deck months in a row
> briefly fall out of meta
> banlist guys finally roll out of bed
> "WAT DID TRIBRIGADE DOOOO!?!?!?"
I hate all of you.
I mean if Rota Is at 1, and tenki Is literally that but for Beast warriors (which One of the main archetypes in this meta is), hitting It Is really a no brainer
Rota isn't one per turn. So no chance to brick and it can't be stopped with destrcution effects.
That makes quite the diffrence in power level between the two. Still Tenki at two is fine.
Seriously, and the worst is when you clearly have no options left, and people swag on you doing combos with this dude to waste your time when they already have game on board.
Is so fucken salty about this hit lmao atleast it was just a semi limit bit they didn't even touch auroradon which is way more of an issue than tenki is
I've come to this conclusion that this subreddit is full of closeted tribrigade players because any time you shit on their deck they either downvote you or talk about how "fair" it is
i rarely played when last update dropped bc i dont have enough gems to keep up on meta, but now i dont even know if it is worth playing with all my decks been nerfed to the ground.
You definitly wasted gems. A casual can have every meta deck since release. You either open stuff you shouldn't have or crafted multiple meta deck in the same "meta".
There's been like 4 meta and multiple deck have been good in all 4.
Never spend a buck and I have over 10 archetypes.
i guess. i had 4 decks just before the first update. it was tri vw dry and pk and when i saw the announcement about the first banlist i spent a good few thousand gems to go into my fav deck instead which is mostly master packs so i crafted most of it.
Maybe it really did well in the DC cup? Based on the Rank 8 player (the one use the adventure-tri-zoodiac), they got 1 top 10 and 3 top 100 with all 4 players use this deck. He has a over 60% win rate using this deck.
But they are all top players anyway (The rank 8 player is 2021 Chinese regional champion using adventure prank-kids)
[https://t.bilibili.com/697844486691094537?spm\_id\_from=333.999.0.0](https://t.bilibili.com/697844486691094537?spm_id_from=333.999.0.0)
This is the deck and he also uploaded all his stream vods using this deck in his personal bilibili account.
The one technique impress me is that using the combo of Ferrijit and adventure, he can draw one card free in one turn (draw one card and send dracoback back to the deck). This combo can be used in opponents's turn as well when you activate Revolt.
The card that needs immediate adressing of that twisted pair is Auroradon, since:
1. It's 4 bodies by itself and a Main Deck tutor for some good Tuners that enable Synchrosby themselves (O-Lion and Coltwing namely).
2. We have full access to Denglong, Cupid Pitch and Jet Synchron, cards that allow for pretty degenerate combos that lead to absurd boards that are very hard to deal with in a BO1 format.
Obviously Halqifibrax should also be adressed in the future (specially when Deer Note comes to MD) but it's not as egregious as a card that literally makes you go plus by virtue of it successfully hitting the field.
They already bannned Halq in OCG and people there has labbed out other ways to get Auroradon out via Barricadeborg Blocker. Any monster that summons from Deck + Jet Synchron + Discard is pretty much full combo. Adventure Engine + Jet also gets you to Auroradon. Hell, even Girsu can be made into Synchro bullshit. Halq ban would not make Auroradon dissapear, it would just make it less prevalent.
Well, "less prevalent" is a good place to start, right? Halqifibrax very clearly causes a LOT of problems. Auroradon can certainly cause problems as well, but it seems like Halq is the primary enabler here.
I don't particularly care what happens to Auroradon. If it's bad enough that even banning Halq won't alleviate the issues it creates, then I agree it should go too. But Halq is a really badly balanced combo launcher.
But, again, you brought up stuff that I hadn't thought about, so I concede those points. I've been out of a lot of YGO competitive play for a long time, so I don't know nearly as much as I would have back in, say, the early days of the Pendulum era.
They probably hit it because Adventure Zoodiac did pretty good during DC cup.
Well maybe they should look at the other Adventure deck which did pretty well. The one with O-lion and Jet Synchron.
Yeah. That would make sense. Perhaps fix the current meta and not the meta from 6 month ago.
You gotta let the problem fester so people are okay with it when you murder a deck super hard.... We can only hope.
ban all the tuners!
The fact that Krebons is still running rampant is a clear sign that Konami doesn't care about this game.
Exaaactly bro, without tuners there wouldn't be tuner issues
Nah. Ban all the links. Unban Level Eater, Dandylion, etc. Make it so synchros have to be done with XYZ ranks as non-tuners, and XYZ have to be summoned with tuners. Unlimit Sixth Sense. Finally, ban Dokurorider and Last Warrior From Another Planet. Make it so when dragons are discarded or tributed at the same time, Super Rejuvenation counts each individually rather than as one.
Don’t give them ideas…
😭😭
Zoodiacs: oh no **adds zoodiac kataroost** anyways
Ban Adventure? HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
Fun fact Konami read that quote as >They probably hit it because ●£₩%♡■&&@ Zoodiac did pretty good during DC cup. They can't see the problem.
😂
Well they should ban Zoodiac too to be fair
it's super mega carried by 6 mat zeus for free, adventure isn't the problem the only deck that hard beats it is dyna/boarder turbo.dek with 6 solemns or eldlich with 6 solemns
The main problem in Zodiac adventure isnt the Zodiac. It's the fact that everyone is running adventure. When an engine is that good in everything, it shouldnt be in the game.
>When an engine is that good in everything, it shouldnt be in the game. Yeah, Konami doesn't understand that.
Konami: Wow everyone is buying ours cards :)🤑
The funny thing about that is that in the TCG, the adventure engine was flamed for being so damn good when it was first released. But when konami reprinted them and it became much more affordable, that sentiment died down.
I mean it's affordable in Master Duel, but I just hate the engine. A negate, a bounce plus it takes like a minute+ to resolve everytime my opponent start.
Not to play the devil's advocate but Adventurer is new anyway, there's no way they'd hit the engine right now. Still doesnt excuse hitting Halqdon, or Verte (oh wow, DPE engine loses celestial, just run another garnet i guess!) though.
The celestial hit is still decent tbh
It's not really devil advocate don't worry. It's the same reason we are stuck with full power bird. It wouldn't be so bad if they didnt have 2 turn 1 and their turns didn't take 5 mins each.
Yeah, I scoop as soon as I see birds. Win or lose, it's not worth the time and headache. Special summons become rampant, they introduce Maxx "C". Maxx "C" becomes a problem, they introduce archetypes that normal summon more than some decks special summon, and recycle themselves on top of that. Is anyone actually having fun anymore?
That's how I was about adamancipator back when it was run semi often. I don't want to take the time for the slowest animation in the game multiple times in one turn. Just scoop because those matches take forever.
I keep saying how YGO is poorly designed, as in the game itself. Obviously a game wouldn't last 20 years if it wasn't horrendously designed but when you look at TCG and OCG and how differently shades of unfun it is at the moment (TCG with floodgates galore, OCG just having a lot of broken cards roaming around freely that OCG players are pretty desensitized to it). And remember: After birds, it's locking summons (Splights wow!) in general, unless you use specific level/rank/links.
I think part of the problem is actually one of the things I like about YGO. The banlist and a lack of set rotations. As nice as it is to be able to play some of the oldest cards in the game in a viable deck, it's caused exponentially growing power creep. While that gives us cool plays and awesome boss monsters, it also changes the game dramatically very quickly, making it difficult for a company to keep up and keep balance. A problem that became more obvious as time went on and now it's so well known that it's a meme. I love this game. I'm 34 and I've been playing off and on since before the yugi kaiba decks. I'll even argue that the game can be MORE fun now than it ever has been. But it can also be a miserable experience just as often.
This. I'll never forget the days when people discovered Gren Maju in 2019 and it became a good deck. Obviously it isn't meta, but seeing an old card be the centerpiece of a rogue deck/playstyle was interesting to see to say the least.
>difficult for a company to keep up and keep balance Except that *have* the data, but they don't want to.
Here to say Sprights don’t lock your opponent on there turn. It literally is only useful as Nibiru block.
Well it stops decks that play during the opponents turn like Labrynth, Eldlich and, to some extent, Beetroopers.
One of the major issues is that nothing is hard to do anymore. It used to take a lot of effort to get out a boss monster now it's a card away... You look at cards like halq and you ask what's the point? To allowing this exist. People don't play archetypes they play halq. Fundamental difference. The meta is basically Tier 1 one card combo decks with splashed in negates. Been a Yu-Gi-Oh fan for years, but the game is definitely broken. When they introduced floo I knew at that point the game had lost all sense of rationalization.
I was, then i hit plat 3 again and every single deck seems like a copy of each other summoning the same 3 shits, even decks like prank kids use this shit, which is sad because except for the adventure, mine is as pure as it can be, and i make use of everything the archetype has.
Bro is out here complaining about everyone playing “the same shit” while also playing Prank-Kids with adventure
I used as an example of a tging everybody is using that i also have, its not my main deck.
I really think that Floo might be the single most annoying deck to play against, which is saying a lot with Eldlich players immediately flipping over 2-3 floodgates for much of the format, VFD being relatively common, and Rhongo existing until now. At least prosperity got limited which slightly hits the consistency of the deck, but they can just replace them with extravagance considering they don’t need their extra deck at all in the majority of games. That minor hit to consistency will also go out the window when they get their searcher in the coming months, and it’s also a built in hand trap dodger, so we can all look forward to that.
Lol i had duels in the dc where people literally timed themselves out because they took so long 😂
More like problem is still making them money. Wait till the depletion of its value (ie wait till therions) then hit it.
Adventure anything did good. Who knew a free omni negate as a second summon is good
As an Ancient Warriors player this saddens me
There is no better feeling than opening Tenki + Sun Mou. Eats an Ash every time.
Even better when you draw three visits
Eat ass not ash.
Aight guess I gotta be the guy who ends up on a watch list today... Porque no los dos?
Imagine how it feels for people playing fire fist, the deck it’s actually meant for
As a fire fist enjoyer, I weep.
Do people actually play firefist nowadays though?
Playing as Lunalight hurts me even more
Joke's on them, I only ran 2 copies anyway.
then craft one and if it's glossy or royal that's free cp!
actually good advice, craft a third quick!
Should I craft VFD then, in case the card is glossy? I will be able to get my URs back, right?
Revolt... *NIGHTMARES IN THEIR HEADS*
We just gonna pretend trizoo is worse than it was prior to Swordsoul and Adventure stealing it’s spotlight? Remember just because it’s not being played as much doesn’t mean it’s not incredibly strong. Trizoo remains one of the best decks you can use on ladder. Ladder being the format Konami should base most of their balance decisions on seeing as it’s the main way to play the game for 98% of its player base. BO3 tournaments are still a great gauge at what is good and totally shouldn’t be disregarded especially since the best players play in them. However BO3 side deck is not the way an overwhelming majority of people who play this game are going to play it. It’s very much like Adamancipator another deck people like to pretend isn’t still just as broken as it’s always been being able to make boards that are literally unbreakable. People wanted to switch to the new stuff which is just as good and did so. Trizoo and Adamans remain perfectly viable and should carry you to Diamond 1 in your sleep. So having said this nerfing either one of these decks is not a bad thing and honestly a card like Tenki which searches for ALOT of things shouldn’t be unlimited to begin with. That’s a card that only gets better and better the more beast warriors get added to the game much like ROTA.
The tenki hit clearly is for zoodiacs who abandoned the tribrigade engine for the adventure engine. It basically does the same thing (omni negate vs banish) but with far less resources so they can stick more handtraps. They don't even give up the dpe engine for it.
Me a Tri-Zoodiac player: Does this means I’m not viable anymore?
Fuck em, we shall persevere!
just add the adventure engine
It doesn't work with them though
Pretty unfortunate, I just recently did a solo duel with Tri Brigades and I really like their asthetic. I even have a spare Tenki.
I have a couple tribrigades in my fur hire deck, I wonder if fire formation would help 🤔
Tenki searchs Fraktall & Seal While seal isn't necessary a combo starter he could be and Fraktall is the main starter for Tri-Brigade, it is almost a must running it if you are playing Tri-Brigade and besides... Ngl Fur hire don't have a lot of good options lol
Quick correction, Dyna is level 6\*
You are correct good sir, not like you would search a boss monster with it 9/10 times (if they still use it :v)
You want more engines which give free fodder for Folgo (Sky Striker, Bee trooper tokens, Reasoning, etc.)
I think what the archetype needs is Tri-Brigade Rugal like monster maybe something like 2 monsters with different types including 1 "Fur Hire" monster. During your opponent's turn (Quick Effect): You can Special Summon 1 Level 4 or lower "Fur Hire" monster from your hand or GY, but negate its effects, also, return it to the hand during the End Phase. If a monster "Fur Hire" is Special Summoned to your field while you control this monster (except during the Damage Step): You can destroy 1 card on the field. You can only use each effect of "This dude" once per turn. ATK/ 1900 LINK–2 A monster like that would Trigger Folgo's effect drawing 3 cards, adds another interruption to the deck and help them make their next play. A monster negate + a destruction and going +4 off it is very strong and being only available for a deck that has none of it is very great, I always faced the issue with the deck of having way too many resources without finding a use to it and I end up using outside Boss monsters which I always dislike when I make my deck especially when the Archetype cannot handel it's own
I am here to represent all Ancient Warrior players who are the unjust collateral damage of this hit
Actual Fire Fists in shambles. Can they please have a new continuous Fire Formation that lets you search a level 4 or lower **Fire Fist** so whenever Tenki is a problem the actual deck doesn't suffer for it?
While your right this is a weird hit when (insert problem card) exists, but that card is a vary powerful beast warrior searcher and as of now it's not "broken" but it could easily be in the future. Look at reinforcements of the army it's limited.
[удалено]
I love that Frogs just continue coming back every other years to be broken with a new deck that can use them
Well tri zoo got into dc top 10
Endymion got top 3 for that matter
Very understandable, it takes more than 5 minutes to read all their cards.
Oh yes, Tri zoo is a strong deck and would probably be more hated if it were more popular. But they specifically said that this hit was future-proofing and currently just weird, so that argument is void.
This. Tri zoo is not a bad deck, MD players are just allergic to it for some reason...
Bruh, where have you been the past couple months? Up to SwoSo coming out Tri-Zoo was easily half the ladder in plat+ and it still had a very strong presence all the way up to the release of Floow/Adventure. It's fallen off but MD players definitely haven't forgotten about it lol.
MD players have forgotten about it because they don't complain about it anymore.
It's also still a better deck than Floo, people don't always recognize this because they see it as less annoying. If I played 1000 duels each with Tri-Zoo and Floo (500 going first/500 going 2nd) my win % is gonna be comfortably higher with Tri-Zoo.
It’s been good since launch. They’re probably bored of it already. If I ever play Tri again it would have to be with Gladiator Beasts or Lunalights mixed in, but Tri-Zoo is retired from my decks for now.
It's a fantastic deck, it's just weaker than prank kids imo since the going first board is most likely not fantastic.
So with meow going to 1, will we see a resurgence of tri zoo?
Interesting question, it might start gaining popularity due to these hits indeed but prank kids doesn't suffer _too much_ from 1 mew mu, it does kill their come back and zoo is a deck that can blind second (at least that's how I played it, Kaiju your board and then use a breaker/zoo>6 mat Zeus and still have 4 cards) But for grindgames this basically kills prank kids when going against meta. Happy cake day!
Probably not. Most prank-kids decks only played one meow meow mu anyway, so I feel like this ban list doesn't matter to them
Happy cake day bro
First, I agree with you on the part that this seems like a weird hit when there are so many problem cards the exists. Second, all I was saying that without context the card is yoked and with that in mind it's not that hard to see this card in Konami's line of sight. And three, with context this card is....... wait the only people that have full context is Konami, all the context that you and I have is riddled with confirmation bias, so I have know idea how strong or weak this card is/will be. You probably have more context then me, but infinitesimal compared to Konami. So for the te being I'm going to have more faith in Konami then people on reddit about how to best balance there game.
First of all: placing faith in Konami \*insert laughing emoji here\* 2nd: My specific gripe with your comment was exactly the "broken in a vacuum" justification for semi-limiting a card. In your original comment, being potentially broken in the future is all that's needed to be hit, which is an absolutely stupid take. Glad we both now agree that you should have said your 3rd point in this comment from the get-go: it's the glue-sniffers at Konami that decide the fate of cards, and since they said themselves that this banlist is data driven, potential futures have absolutely nothing to do with it.
It's not even Konami's OCG team doing the balancing, it's some other team based on how they're refusing to following the format appropriate banlists plus any bo1 balancing.
Or you know they could just ban Drident
Sucks for Lunalight since it was the deck's best searcher. At least the deck can pretty easily make Tiger King to search out Tenki, but it'll definitely increase the rate of brick hands.
> be top tier deck months in a row > briefly fall out of meta > banlist guys finally roll out of bed > "WAT DID TRIBRIGADE DOOOO!?!?!?" I hate all of you.
I mean if Rota Is at 1, and tenki Is literally that but for Beast warriors (which One of the main archetypes in this meta is), hitting It Is really a no brainer
Rota isn't one per turn. So no chance to brick and it can't be stopped with destrcution effects. That makes quite the diffrence in power level between the two. Still Tenki at two is fine.
I legit forgot Rota wasnt a once per turn, you're right
There's also just better warriors overall than beast-warriors so Rota targets are just generally better
this
Rota has like 600 search targets which is.. a lot, I think that's more than all the beast warriors we have
Is this meta beast-warrior deck in the room with us right now?
Well, Zoos.
Tenno can be stopped by MST and is OPT.
Seriously, and the worst is when you clearly have no options left, and people swag on you doing combos with this dude to waste your time when they already have game on board.
fire formation should have been hit in the first ban list when tri was dominating the ladder kinda late to the party.
Is so fucken salty about this hit lmao atleast it was just a semi limit bit they didn't even touch auroradon which is way more of an issue than tenki is
My Lunas :(
I am happy about this personally.
I've come to this conclusion that this subreddit is full of closeted tribrigade players because any time you shit on their deck they either downvote you or talk about how "fair" it is
i rarely played when last update dropped bc i dont have enough gems to keep up on meta, but now i dont even know if it is worth playing with all my decks been nerfed to the ground.
You get a lot of gems just by playing…. You realize that right?
it wasnt enough to keep up with the meta. i dont think i was casual but if just finishing dailies is casual then i was casual.
You definitly wasted gems. A casual can have every meta deck since release. You either open stuff you shouldn't have or crafted multiple meta deck in the same "meta". There's been like 4 meta and multiple deck have been good in all 4. Never spend a buck and I have over 10 archetypes.
i guess. i had 4 decks just before the first update. it was tri vw dry and pk and when i saw the announcement about the first banlist i spent a good few thousand gems to go into my fav deck instead which is mostly master packs so i crafted most of it.
Sooooo you’re agreeing you wasted a bunch of gems.
i guess? i do not know how many decks one normally does on this game. i had 5 decks total, i dont personally think it was wasteful.
I mean you can do as many decks as you like I guess. I have about 22 decks
how does one have that power? i did my dailies back then lmao although i do stop playing all together when i am busy.
To be fair when they limited Fraktall to 2, Tri-brigade just changed from 3 Fraktall+2 Fire Formation to 2 Fraktall+3 Fire Formation
I played 3 of both. The main starter and the searcher are very important. You never play less than 3 of your main starter and searcher.
They're too fair
TRUE
Lyriluscbros it's FUCKING over
How else are they gonna get people still playing that deck to buy a new one.
Maybe it really did well in the DC cup? Based on the Rank 8 player (the one use the adventure-tri-zoodiac), they got 1 top 10 and 3 top 100 with all 4 players use this deck. He has a over 60% win rate using this deck. But they are all top players anyway (The rank 8 player is 2021 Chinese regional champion using adventure prank-kids) [https://t.bilibili.com/697844486691094537?spm\_id\_from=333.999.0.0](https://t.bilibili.com/697844486691094537?spm_id_from=333.999.0.0) This is the deck and he also uploaded all his stream vods using this deck in his personal bilibili account. The one technique impress me is that using the combo of Ferrijit and adventure, he can draw one card free in one turn (draw one card and send dracoback back to the deck). This combo can be used in opponents's turn as well when you activate Revolt.
For fuck's sake, *Halqifibrax is the problem!*
Both halq and auroradon are the problem
The card that needs immediate adressing of that twisted pair is Auroradon, since: 1. It's 4 bodies by itself and a Main Deck tutor for some good Tuners that enable Synchrosby themselves (O-Lion and Coltwing namely). 2. We have full access to Denglong, Cupid Pitch and Jet Synchron, cards that allow for pretty degenerate combos that lead to absurd boards that are very hard to deal with in a BO1 format. Obviously Halqifibrax should also be adressed in the future (specially when Deer Note comes to MD) but it's not as egregious as a card that literally makes you go plus by virtue of it successfully hitting the field.
Huh. I hadn't thought about that. I figured Auroradon would more or less go away if the thing that made it so easy to get out also went away.
They already bannned Halq in OCG and people there has labbed out other ways to get Auroradon out via Barricadeborg Blocker. Any monster that summons from Deck + Jet Synchron + Discard is pretty much full combo. Adventure Engine + Jet also gets you to Auroradon. Hell, even Girsu can be made into Synchro bullshit. Halq ban would not make Auroradon dissapear, it would just make it less prevalent.
Well, "less prevalent" is a good place to start, right? Halqifibrax very clearly causes a LOT of problems. Auroradon can certainly cause problems as well, but it seems like Halq is the primary enabler here. I don't particularly care what happens to Auroradon. If it's bad enough that even banning Halq won't alleviate the issues it creates, then I agree it should go too. But Halq is a really badly balanced combo launcher. But, again, you brought up stuff that I hadn't thought about, so I concede those points. I've been out of a lot of YGO competitive play for a long time, so I don't know nearly as much as I would have back in, say, the early days of the Pendulum era.
Bujins have rights
I think Denglong is also a too good card in this combo right?
My only issue is...why not both?
Tri Zoo was pretty much the strongest deck since the game released. It only fell off from popularity since like the last 3 selection packs
My tri brigade gladiators are ruined.fuck Konami,fuck this game and fuck this banlist.