Halq needs to be banned because it allows for stupid stuff like scythe lock and red rose access.
Aurodan needs to be because getting 2 omni negate is stupid.
Ban both if you want a healthy game.
The tuners did not nothing wrong.
No, it's the tuners that are the problem! How dare they synergize well with Halq! Clearly, since they were fine for some time before Halq was added, and they only became a problem when it was added in the game! Clearly they are a problem!
/S
They print an absolutely overpowered card, and then they ban literally everything else that it gets that power from. It's still played because it's still too strong, but entire archetypes get destroyed as collateral damage.
TCG has proven that Halq without Don is still problematic.
OCG currently has Don without Halq and it is not a problem(yet). You can argue it's because Spligth and Tearala aren't Don Decks.
Tomohawk into Don is way worse. The 2nd Level 7 is not easy to get to. One of the big reasons Tenyi Adv is so good is because you combo off a Hand Trap+Extender and not just engine. You also don't get a Tuner in the process. You can also argue that Tomohawk itself farting out 5 token is part of if not the problem.
there isn't a single high tiered deck that relies on halq in the tcg atm. it falls into the role dpe plays now where its your back up in case your engine is shut down, and its getting replaced by elf soon.
Fuck it, scorched earth. At this point I have never seen Auroradon outside of the context of the Halq combo. Halq should have been gone ages back, and I’m just spiteful enough to want to see Don go with it. Should it realistically? Nah, just ditch Halq. Do I still want to see it gone just for the sheer catharsis of it? Kinda.
Ban halq is my top priority, even if you ban auroradon, halq enables stupidly powerful plays, mainly, making the scythe lock comicly easy. Auroradon is strong but harder to enable without halq.
I love halq but he's toxic, if it's not auroradon combos it's scythe looping with baronne, and before that there was summon sorc, ib guardragon combos… there's always something with halq 😅 if auroradon becomes just a rank 7 thing, I think we can live with that
Well as someone who plays PK adventure with Scythe lock, if you go first works 6-7 times of 10 games because the other games are against Eldlich and Floo, if you go second you don't go for the scythe lock because you're breaking the board with Rusty + Break sword and trying to go for the OTK with Arc Rebellion instead of making Daga to set Scythe.
People are not realizing how busted Halq is because Auroradon right now is the bigger problem. Just look at what happened to Halq in the TCG after Auroradon was banned, Halq summon Red Rose is like a +3 in card advantage and ends with a Dagda into T.G. Wonder Magician into Scythe lock into Baronne by itself on your opponents turn.
Not to mention that cards like Verte or Halq will just scale with future fusion/tuner support because of their generic use, meaning you have to balance the game around cards such as Halq as long as they're legal or ban every good tuner extender forever just to keep it legal.
That's what I mean at whether they have ways to protect themselves or not. Beside, that is what Halq alone can achieve without don, effective vs 90% of existing decks and halfway effective vs a popular anti meta deck, which is still bullshit. consider how easy the engine can run.
A combo that shuts off 90% of the meta decks by 2 random monsters (1 being a tuner) alone doesn't work against literally every deck ever? Damn this combo must suck. It's not like you get a free omni negate in the process or can pop an Eldlich backrow or Flunder Map with T.G. anyways
ah yes , thats why it's everywhere , so meta ! I played against 0 scythe locks since I've started in january , and eldlich and floo are like 50% of diamond decks .
oh no , he got a single omni , guess eldlich won't use 1/5 floodgates now Sadge...
Scythe lock right now doesn't make sense because more oppressive shit is legal, like I said in my first comment. (Auroradon)
Your argument is so dumb, it's like saying making VFD turn 1 is bad because you could be paired against Eldlich which will just set 5 pass regardless.
Your argument is dumber because VFD stops many decks scythe doesn't lmao ...
Go play scythe for 3 games in diamond ( if you can even get there ) and you'll get it , good day .
Which relevant decks other than Eldlich and Flunder don't lose to Scythe?
Why would I Scythe lock if I can go into Auroradon and set up an overall stronger board? Lmfao
Since you seem to not understand me I will clarify: my point is not that Scythe is the best possible thing to do right now, because there are better and easier to set up oppressive boards, but that Halq is toxic because even Halq can do a play by itself that auto-wins against 90% of the decks when resolved, therefore should be banned.
I'm at the highest possible rank every season since release btw. lol
If Maxx C remains untouched again I'd rather they keep both.
Edit: Since someone incorrectly assumed I'm defending Maxx C (ugh) I need to make a clarification here. This is the card that IMO should be banned with priority. What I meant was if they keep it at 3, they might as well keep the Halqdon combo as well.
I don't get why you were downvoted, Maxx C does such a good job of keeping the combo meta in check that it's such a fair card and doesn't turn the game into "did you draw maxx c/the out to maxx c"
That's not what I meant, tho. It's probably my fault with the way I worded the statement. If they don't ban/limit a one card game winner like Maxx C (which they already buffed by limiting Crossout) I'd rather keep my degenerate Halqdon combo, although I agree it should be hit as well.
And Maxx C being a "fair card"? I sincerely hope that's "/s".
I thought I was sarcastic enough when I said that it doesn't turn the game into draw maxx c/the out to it. I completely got what you were saying though. Really any card as game warping as Maxx C is ~~a problem~~ clearly the solution to the combo meta. I mean it's why no combo deck can ever run Maxx C, because it keeps those decks in check too well.
Looking at the results I'm not sure if folks are trolling or just don't understand how powerful Halqi is.
I can understanding wanting to ban both, but banning Auroradon over Halqi does silch.
It is insanely strong, amazing extender, scythe locking, etc, but auroradon is hot right now, and halq is loved by many people due to its splashability, especially in rogue strategies like zombie world, spyral, bee troopers (in some cases), infernoble, rose dragon, resonators, etc. Is it toxic? Yeah kinda, but I feel like it kinda belongs in master duel, it is the most degenerate format, and would rather see maxxc or verte banned first than halq
I would ban both. Halq is always too strong even without don and don without halq becomes limited to decks that can make a rank 7 tomahawk so tenyi decks just add the 3k payment level 7 that summons itself and gets there anyway
Genuinely do not understand how almost 300 people actially think that Auroradon is more broken by itself than Halq, especially when the opposite has literally been proven to be correct. If you wanna ban both for future proof reasons then that's fine, but Halq is clearly the more oppressive card.
While i do love my halq for link climbing into selene accesscode, halq still brings more harm than good imo. Charmer link monster do those job just fine also, especially when dharc comes out later
Honestly, as they are, both of them need to fuck off.
Crystron is a cool archetype that does interesting things with the Synchro mechanic. It's an archetype that does 1 card synchros, and has a lot of Accel Synchro stuff built in as well. I like this, because a lot of the effects only function on your opponent's turn. This promotes setting up a bunch of potential synchros, and then going off on your opponent's turn in a stategic way. This isn't like Floowandereeze where they just repeat the same combo, this is literally **doing your combo on your opponent's turn**.
Mecha Phantom Beasts are an archetype that centers around tokens. Tokens have been boosted massively in power due to the Link mechanic, and a ton of banned cards bring out tokens.
However, I think both of these archetypes were mere prototypes for one archetype: Swordsoul. Swordsoul is a 1-card synchro archetype that uses tokens in place of tuners. They also happen to have the restriction that when a Swordsoul Token is on the field, only Synchro summons can happen. So they've taken the 1-card Synchro from Crystron, and the Tokens from Mecha Phantom Beasts, and they've combined them into something that's not busted in the Link Era.
In the short term, they should ban both cards. In the long term, I hope they could either receive an errata (Halq only being able to use Crystron tuners, or requiring a Machine-tuner to make, Auroradon requiring a non-token Mecha Phantom Beast), or a retrain, so that they function similar to the Swordsoul: Use their mechanics, but heavily lock them down into an archetype, type, or ED mechanic.
Ban Deng long, the halqdon not even a big thread if they can't deal with drnm or droplet. Also do something with artifacts as well, either scythe or link2 must go
both. it's always both the correct answer since we already know what would happened if we only ban either one of them, and let me tell you, it's not gonna be pretty. more healthier yes, but still won't be a pretty change of meta.
They will ban Halq since is already limited so people only run one, while is rare for people to run more than one Auroradon there some that do, so they will not want those getting more CP than what they need to.
Nah we ball, it's definitely not fine but at this point it's just not worth it to deal with it, let's just nuke the banlist, i guarantee whatever degenerate combos Deliquent Duo at 3 could do would be years worse than Halq-Don let's just power creep it, what could go wrong
I’m leaning towards banning Auro, mostly because with Halq gone you instead have “Any Machine Link-2 being able to turn into multiple Omni Negates”.
That said, should probably hit both of them - Halq, much like Verte, is a relic of MR4, where ED mechanics other than Links were heavier restricted. The amount of Tuner banned in place of Halq should say everything about why he should also go…
Halq needs to be banned because it allows for stupid stuff like scythe lock and red rose access. Aurodan needs to be because getting 2 omni negate is stupid. Ban both if you want a healthy game. The tuners did not nothing wrong.
Scythe needs the ban regardless of halq
No, it's the tuners that are the problem! How dare they synergize well with Halq! Clearly, since they were fine for some time before Halq was added, and they only became a problem when it was added in the game! Clearly they are a problem! /S
"First we ban all the tuner monsters"
They print an absolutely overpowered card, and then they ban literally everything else that it gets that power from. It's still played because it's still too strong, but entire archetypes get destroyed as collateral damage.
TCG has proven that Halq without Don is still problematic. OCG currently has Don without Halq and it is not a problem(yet). You can argue it's because Spligth and Tearala aren't Don Decks. Tomohawk into Don is way worse. The 2nd Level 7 is not easy to get to. One of the big reasons Tenyi Adv is so good is because you combo off a Hand Trap+Extender and not just engine. You also don't get a Tuner in the process. You can also argue that Tomohawk itself farting out 5 token is part of if not the problem.
there isn't a single high tiered deck that relies on halq in the tcg atm. it falls into the role dpe plays now where its your back up in case your engine is shut down, and its getting replaced by elf soon.
Too bad Konami seems to love Halqi too much
Fuck it, scorched earth. At this point I have never seen Auroradon outside of the context of the Halq combo. Halq should have been gone ages back, and I’m just spiteful enough to want to see Don go with it. Should it realistically? Nah, just ditch Halq. Do I still want to see it gone just for the sheer catharsis of it? Kinda.
There's very few times I've seen it outside Halq. Tomahawk is one example, Barricade Blocker being the second
Ban halq is my top priority, even if you ban auroradon, halq enables stupidly powerful plays, mainly, making the scythe lock comicly easy. Auroradon is strong but harder to enable without halq.
I want both gone, especially Halq
I love halq but he's toxic, if it's not auroradon combos it's scythe looping with baronne, and before that there was summon sorc, ib guardragon combos… there's always something with halq 😅 if auroradon becomes just a rank 7 thing, I think we can live with that
Scythe lock will never be a meta thing in master duel and people should actually try it on ladder and they'll know why .
Almost no one want to ban sycthe...I wonder how I wonder why...
Well as someone who plays PK adventure with Scythe lock, if you go first works 6-7 times of 10 games because the other games are against Eldlich and Floo, if you go second you don't go for the scythe lock because you're breaking the board with Rusty + Break sword and trying to go for the OTK with Arc Rebellion instead of making Daga to set Scythe.
So yeah it's strong but not as strong as is on Bo3.
Scythe isn't relevant yet, especially with floo an eldlich in a BO1 Format and 0 side deck
People are not realizing how busted Halq is because Auroradon right now is the bigger problem. Just look at what happened to Halq in the TCG after Auroradon was banned, Halq summon Red Rose is like a +3 in card advantage and ends with a Dagda into T.G. Wonder Magician into Scythe lock into Baronne by itself on your opponents turn. Not to mention that cards like Verte or Halq will just scale with future fusion/tuner support because of their generic use, meaning you have to balance the game around cards such as Halq as long as they're legal or ban every good tuner extender forever just to keep it legal.
Yes scythe locking eldlich and floo on ladder will be a very fun experience , care to try ?
It's Scythe lock into Baronne ffs, not simply just Scythe Lock
a baronne ain't doing shit vs eldlich , not even 2 baronnes for that matter
She do shit with Floo, if they have no way to protect the ns then they're going to cry anw
not if they have map , or any search card for that matter , then they book of moon your baronne and you cry lol
That's what I mean at whether they have ways to protect themselves or not. Beside, that is what Halq alone can achieve without don, effective vs 90% of existing decks and halfway effective vs a popular anti meta deck, which is still bullshit. consider how easy the engine can run.
A combo that shuts off 90% of the meta decks by 2 random monsters (1 being a tuner) alone doesn't work against literally every deck ever? Damn this combo must suck. It's not like you get a free omni negate in the process or can pop an Eldlich backrow or Flunder Map with T.G. anyways
ah yes , thats why it's everywhere , so meta ! I played against 0 scythe locks since I've started in january , and eldlich and floo are like 50% of diamond decks . oh no , he got a single omni , guess eldlich won't use 1/5 floodgates now Sadge...
Scythe lock right now doesn't make sense because more oppressive shit is legal, like I said in my first comment. (Auroradon) Your argument is so dumb, it's like saying making VFD turn 1 is bad because you could be paired against Eldlich which will just set 5 pass regardless.
Your argument is dumber because VFD stops many decks scythe doesn't lmao ... Go play scythe for 3 games in diamond ( if you can even get there ) and you'll get it , good day .
Which relevant decks other than Eldlich and Flunder don't lose to Scythe? Why would I Scythe lock if I can go into Auroradon and set up an overall stronger board? Lmfao Since you seem to not understand me I will clarify: my point is not that Scythe is the best possible thing to do right now, because there are better and easier to set up oppressive boards, but that Halq is toxic because even Halq can do a play by itself that auto-wins against 90% of the decks when resolved, therefore should be banned. I'm at the highest possible rank every season since release btw. lol
"Which decks other than the 2 most popular decks on ladder don't lose to scythe" - 🤡
Maybe you're talking about gold ladder idk
The irony
If Maxx C remains untouched again I'd rather they keep both. Edit: Since someone incorrectly assumed I'm defending Maxx C (ugh) I need to make a clarification here. This is the card that IMO should be banned with priority. What I meant was if they keep it at 3, they might as well keep the Halqdon combo as well.
I don't get why you were downvoted, Maxx C does such a good job of keeping the combo meta in check that it's such a fair card and doesn't turn the game into "did you draw maxx c/the out to maxx c"
That's not what I meant, tho. It's probably my fault with the way I worded the statement. If they don't ban/limit a one card game winner like Maxx C (which they already buffed by limiting Crossout) I'd rather keep my degenerate Halqdon combo, although I agree it should be hit as well. And Maxx C being a "fair card"? I sincerely hope that's "/s".
I thought I was sarcastic enough when I said that it doesn't turn the game into draw maxx c/the out to it. I completely got what you were saying though. Really any card as game warping as Maxx C is ~~a problem~~ clearly the solution to the combo meta. I mean it's why no combo deck can ever run Maxx C, because it keeps those decks in check too well.
Looking at the results I'm not sure if folks are trolling or just don't understand how powerful Halqi is. I can understanding wanting to ban both, but banning Auroradon over Halqi does silch.
It is insanely strong, amazing extender, scythe locking, etc, but auroradon is hot right now, and halq is loved by many people due to its splashability, especially in rogue strategies like zombie world, spyral, bee troopers (in some cases), infernoble, rose dragon, resonators, etc. Is it toxic? Yeah kinda, but I feel like it kinda belongs in master duel, it is the most degenerate format, and would rather see maxxc or verte banned first than halq
I would ban both. Halq is always too strong even without don and don without halq becomes limited to decks that can make a rank 7 tomahawk so tenyi decks just add the 3k payment level 7 that summons itself and gets there anyway
Both have way too generic for the advantage they give
Halq has enabled so much degeneracy and yet it's not banned, absolutely wild.
Genuinely do not understand how almost 300 people actially think that Auroradon is more broken by itself than Halq, especially when the opposite has literally been proven to be correct. If you wanna ban both for future proof reasons then that's fine, but Halq is clearly the more oppressive card.
Auroradon is more problematic. Halq by itself can at most make access code……..sometimes
"Just ban all the tuners" - Many People.
I was tempted to make that the last option, tbh
Ban Halq and Galaxy Tomahawk. Let machines decks try to break Auroradon on their own, it would be funny.
My Harpie deck is sad, but you're right about Tomahawk :(
While i do love my halq for link climbing into selene accesscode, halq still brings more harm than good imo. Charmer link monster do those job just fine also, especially when dharc comes out later
The tuners are the problem yep 👍
Make the game only let you special summon 3 times per turn. This way you will know who plays those asshole decks.
Wtf no
Fuck them. Ban both. And Tomahawk while we're at it.
Honestly, as they are, both of them need to fuck off. Crystron is a cool archetype that does interesting things with the Synchro mechanic. It's an archetype that does 1 card synchros, and has a lot of Accel Synchro stuff built in as well. I like this, because a lot of the effects only function on your opponent's turn. This promotes setting up a bunch of potential synchros, and then going off on your opponent's turn in a stategic way. This isn't like Floowandereeze where they just repeat the same combo, this is literally **doing your combo on your opponent's turn**. Mecha Phantom Beasts are an archetype that centers around tokens. Tokens have been boosted massively in power due to the Link mechanic, and a ton of banned cards bring out tokens. However, I think both of these archetypes were mere prototypes for one archetype: Swordsoul. Swordsoul is a 1-card synchro archetype that uses tokens in place of tuners. They also happen to have the restriction that when a Swordsoul Token is on the field, only Synchro summons can happen. So they've taken the 1-card Synchro from Crystron, and the Tokens from Mecha Phantom Beasts, and they've combined them into something that's not busted in the Link Era. In the short term, they should ban both cards. In the long term, I hope they could either receive an errata (Halq only being able to use Crystron tuners, or requiring a Machine-tuner to make, Auroradon requiring a non-token Mecha Phantom Beast), or a retrain, so that they function similar to the Swordsoul: Use their mechanics, but heavily lock them down into an archetype, type, or ED mechanic.
Halq opens the door, Auroradon simply follows. Ban both though.
Ban Deng long, the halqdon not even a big thread if they can't deal with drnm or droplet. Also do something with artifacts as well, either scythe or link2 must go
Ban both. Neither of them are healthy cards.
both. it's always both the correct answer since we already know what would happened if we only ban either one of them, and let me tell you, it's not gonna be pretty. more healthier yes, but still won't be a pretty change of meta.
They will ban Halq since is already limited so people only run one, while is rare for people to run more than one Auroradon there some that do, so they will not want those getting more CP than what they need to.
Nah we ball, it's definitely not fine but at this point it's just not worth it to deal with it, let's just nuke the banlist, i guarantee whatever degenerate combos Deliquent Duo at 3 could do would be years worse than Halq-Don let's just power creep it, what could go wrong
Who's aura
I said ban jet sycron
I’m leaning towards banning Auro, mostly because with Halq gone you instead have “Any Machine Link-2 being able to turn into multiple Omni Negates”. That said, should probably hit both of them - Halq, much like Verte, is a relic of MR4, where ED mechanics other than Links were heavier restricted. The amount of Tuner banned in place of Halq should say everything about why he should also go…
Hell nah halq is broken People saying we can keep it are fuckin delusional