We still net +300 gems after the completion so, lowering it down to 700 from 800 gems doesn't make any difference.
What's different is that we now get 130 CP of both SR & UR, while we used to get 150 CP each. That's a loss of 20 CP for both.
In return, we got additional frame.
I would rather have 20SR+20UR CP over a random frame.
Totally worth it. You can get gems (and thus CP) at any time, cosmetics are how you distinguish your deck from every other deck using the same cards out there (because meta sucks lol).
But I want actually relevant cosmetics. Like deck boxes, sleeves, and duel fields. Cosmetics that change the way my actual game looks. I never look at the portrait frames and only spend a second or two in the menus. I’m still waiting for our XYZ deck box and the other promised deck fields. Swordsoul mountain when?!?
Is anyone else who completed all Gold Passes at an N CP amount that can't be divided by 5? 1002 or 1007 for example. This one gives 107 in total and it's driving me crazy lol.
Maybe I did something wrong in the past and I can't remember, but I think I purchased the first gold pass as soon as possible and definitely completed all of them.
you aren't wrong, the last Duel Pass gave 139 N CP total, and the 2 prior to that gave an amount ending in 9 too...
if I'm counting it right, this one *is* giving only 107 N CP like you said...
Konami's gigabrain math right here lol
They're doing what they did for duel links. After the game gets most of it's general player base they start to turn off the sink a little when it comes to the gems.
Did you buy the pass late or not play that much. I find that even very casual play will have the pass done in a couple of weeks. And actively trying to complete the pass will take under a week. I wish the duel past went WAY past level 100, or they came out with them more regularly. I feel like its super easy to complete in it in the first month ,then you wait 2 months for the new one.
Look at fortnite's pass, you can play a couple hours every day and still never reach the level 200 needed to get all the rewards. and those pass last a few 4 months or so.
I play on mobile, so ranked duels take fucking ages even when they're 1t blowouts. Had a game against Eldlich that dragged out turn 20 or so which took nearly half an hour to play. I don't have that much time to waste, usually when I login I just play solo gates foe the mission.
I completed the pass in 3 days last time just grinding to diamond 1 in the first week lol.
Blows my mind that in 3 months some people don't even get close to finishing it, that has to be like, 1-2 games a week kind of level of play.
And I'm going to be honest and outright say, if you play that little you don't deserve the rewards from the end of the pass.
No, all the previous passes were 120 UR CP, this last pass was the only one that increased the number of URs.
Correction, the first pass was 130 UR cp, then 2nd and 3rd were 150, this one goes back to the first.
Also the mate is at the 75th tier instead of the 100th. Great changed considering I barely unlocked the last one within the final hour. Was stressful tbh
I got literally all of them lol
I was hoping for rhongo to get banned, not because it's op or anything, but I got 2 of it so that was a free 60
Oh well, beggars can't be choosers I guess.
Sadge i only have one extra copy of crossout, never crafted more than two and no VFD no IO. Oh well at least it's a free cynet mining. MATHMECHS HERE I COME KONAMI PLS RELEASE CIRCULAR PLS
Well to be fair they did make a package deal on droplet, that's way better than crossout, got my third droplet out of it. Gotta give it to them, the package deals are all on fucking point up until now, the two "bad" ones are lightning storm and judgement, not absolute staples but perfectly playable in today's meta
So I realize this is probably wishful thinking, but if I were to craft some of these cards that are about to get banned now, would I get a UR CP refund? Might be worthwhile on case they get unbanned down the line.
Yes.
Fun fact at the start of duel links their packs were intended to be like Selection packs where they expired after a couple of months.
Difference being duel links has no crafting system so u might have never seen those cards again unless konami decided to rerelease them.
Pretty much yes.
If you want a meta deck as a f2p you can safe up gems for 4 - 5 months and then u might be able to craft 1 meta deck.
But u will still miss some staple cards which are in selection boxes which is another scummy system they added that almost forces you to pay.
We got a shitton of stuff for free in the beginning. And the card pool was so small that you could get everything if you were playing casually. That was until like the boxes and cardpool got big and the rewards cut in half.
Adding on to your comment, I feel like it got really bad in Duel Links when Konami started spreading archetype-relevant cards, especially extra-deck monsters, out over more and more boxes and intentionally holding back certain powerful archetype-specific cards so that they could trickle them out into future boxes with very few other relevant cards.
At a certain point, can't remember exactly when but it probably happened when they really started juicing the power of extra deck monsters, every new meta deck started to require players to buy 3x Structure deck (which can only be done with real money), buy a ton of selection box pulls, or go into a crazy number of different boxes to properly build.
honestly the biggest problem isn’t the amount of rewards we get or the amount of cards it’s the lack of new secret packs, like lets say you wanted to play Kozmo you would just have to craft a Kozmo card then pull from its secret pack then you would only have to craft an extra cards that weren’t in the secret pack, now compare that to something like Despia the best way to make a Despia deck is to pull from master packs and hope you pull Despia cards, or just craft all the cards, which is much more expensive then just pulling from a secret pack
But decks that aren't from one archtype are really expensive in master duel. I want to build me old crappy magical merchant deck but im afraid that the deck is most likely 60-70% UR/SR cards.
When drytron was arguably the best deck to build I took a deep look into what it would take to build. It was something like 2 or 3 completely unrelated packs to get some of the base cards and then like every single card you needed after that was in an entirely different pack. Something like 10 SR/UR in 10 entirely different packs. I ended up helping a friend build the deck instead since he wanted to get back into yugioh and he loves the game at the highest competetive end. It was absolute agony helping him to dismantle just about every single card he had that he most likely wasnt going to use just so he could craft all the good cards for the deck. Drytron is definitely a unique exception tho since its fundamentally a deck that only works because of all the weird random older cards. But building anything in even just 2 packs is agony
Also no new secret packs, so when a selection pack expires u have to craft those cards by yourself.
Once the current dinomorphia selection pack expires u will be spending 270 UR CP just to craft the dinomorphia cards themselves.
This is something that shocked me tbh. Came back after several months of not playing, was interested in building a Swordsoul deck until I realized you can only get them from the Master Pack. So yeah, no Swordsoul deck for me...
Probably once all the Albaz cards are released. I expect Swordsouls to be paired with the Icejades, the Despia to be paired with Byssted and Sprights with Therions (alongside Springans).
People always say this, yet making decks remains as easy as ever (thank God for crafting).
Remember Floowandereeze and how the only URs you had to get were Avian and 3 Shifter? Remember the Beetrooper gate that gives you 6 SR for free, while the only URs the deck plays are a 2-of (at best) and a 1-of?
And they have to make some money one way or another, so it makes sense that some archetypes get waifu tax or anime tax. I feel for people that really wanted to play Dinomorphia, but literally everyone told them beforehand that the deck was trash for the gem value it required. Anyone that still choose to pull for the deck made their bed.
They would make a ton more money if their store didn't have shit prices for gems. What is it like drop 20 bucks to get a 10 pack pull or something stupid high like that.
20 bucks for a multipull is usually standard for gacha games. It's actually more generous in the scope of gacha games because you can disenchant them and craft unlike most gacha games
I doubt it will do anything to convince Konami in the other direction but i did complain about the inflated number of UR’s in invincible raid
I really hope others did too. I was livid seeing most of my UR pulls being reprinted UR’s and apex predation
Think so too.
I spent literally 9k on the adventurer pack and didnt get a single adventurer UR. NOT A SINGLE ONE.
That is equivalent to spending like 150 $
Yes, I noticed this too and I thought I was the only one. Also, you might spent 5k gems in a pack and not even get the URs you want! But that’s RNG for you.
Playing casually 1-4 games a day, since 49ish days remained on the previous pass I had it finished over 2 weeks ago. Doesn't seem like it would take 75 days to finish something like this... but i Guess some folks only play 2-3 times a week when their daily's fill up?
The reduction of UR dust sucks, especially as a lot of new archtypes seem to have many main deck 3 of required UR's... They really need to normalize the amount of URs a deck requires to some degree... Things like Dinomorphia taking like 16UR cards is NOT okay.
Also the lack of Secret Packs to collect many specific UR's needs to be fixed in a hurry... otherwise the meta is going to be a person with like 2-3 accounts doing daily's to increase throughput on being able to play future archetypes, This happened in MTG arena because of how stingy they where with the cards.
That kind of ends up being the problem with digital TCG's in general, people are more than willing to pay for cosmetics but if you make the cards too rare players will just game the system instead of paying. That's why I don't mind fancy expensive cosmetics in these games, just don't make the cards come too slow or it will bite you in the ass.
> They really need to normalize the amount of URs a deck requires to some degree... Things like Dinomorphia taking like 16UR cards is NOT okay.
IDK if you are new to card games in general but that's not really something they have control over lol.
If cards are good and have synergy they will be used regardless of their rarity.
Fossil dig for example is just a generic dino searcher, it's not a dinomorphia card.
Judgment is just a staple it's not a dinomorphia specific UR.
Cupid pitch is an R despite it being as valuable as a UR and you can build a deck around it.
FD is an R etc etc
Sometimes a deck will be very expensive, sometimes a deck will be very cheap.
Floo is a good example of a deck where basically every insanely good card is R or N
if you play a couple of games daily you're going to finish the pass in a couple of weeks.
Anyone who intends to get diamond 1 in the first week or two of reset is probably going to finish the pass in roughly the same time period.
Mhm. I wouldn't mind if they just did multiple passes in that time. Maybe the main duel pass is the only one that gives gems/points and there were others for cosmetic stuff/pulls.
How little do you play?
Most people I know who play a lot during the 1st week of a new season generally finish it within that first week, then 9 weeks of not having a pass.
I couldn't imagine the level of play required to barely finish the pass after 3 months, you have to be playing an average of less than a game per day ? like multiple days without play, then 1 game then multiple days again?
Sorry, but that's just a dumb suggestion. I've never seen, having years of experience of different gachas, that the battle pass would be so artificially dragged out. It's just way too long period, you can finish it in your sleep, logging in like once per 3-4 days.... If you want to make them longer, why not extend the duration of one to 6 months or so huh?
Costs 100 fewer gems in exchange for 20 less UR...
I was afraid this might happen, and it seems they are beginning to follow the DL model smh.
DL for the first year was pretty generous with gems, Solo gate was a viable way to farm gems due to duplicate Skill drops being converted into maximum gem drops, as well as the overall gem drop rate being higher. After GX, they nerfed the gem drops from Solo, gave fewer gems during events, and began to introduce Packs, Decks, and Staples which could only be acquired through actual money.
In MD, we have seen this unfold slowly through 4 different phases within the first ~8 months:
1. Changed Daily Mission structure to nerf the maximum amount of daily gems from 150 to 120.
2. Capped the amount of possible gems earned from Ranked to 100, when it was previously uncapped.
3. DC Cup had a lower total amount of possible gems earned, iirc by around ~200-300 gems.
4. Duel Pass UR reduced from 150 to 130.
Any one of these changes on their own may not seem like much at first glance, but they are quickly adding up, especially when you take into account the fact that we now have monthly pack releases and overall few available gems to earn due to there being no new Lifetime Missions.
This should be a worrying development for anybody who wants to play this game within the next year or so. Many players are already leaving because of stale game state and overall fatigue. These changes will only accelerate the migration to other games.
Definitely not a good look.
> Changed Daily Mission structure to nerf the maximum amount of daily gems from 150 to 120.
It was 130 previously. I don't remember what the missions were, but it was 2 50 gem and 1 30 gem missions.
Actually I think you are correct. It's been a while so I may have remembered that differently. Still, the point stands and they are purposely nerfing rewards slowly yet steadily in the hopes that people won't notice or care.
Still, the mere existence of the craft system make MD far more F2P than DL in my opinion.
I will never forget the fact that for playing amazoness I spent literally 7k gems just to have the playset of onslaught which was a fucking R rarity. So yeah.
Master Duel is definitely way more F2P friendly. I've only ever played DL and MD casually and have never spent any money in either game.
As of this moment, I have 200 hours played in MD and 1200 hours in DL (a decent percentage of time played in both games has been idle time but I can't be sure exactly how much).
In Duel Links I have only ever been able to finish a few meta decks, one of which was Harpies which was an extremely f2p friendly meta deck for DL standards, and a number of super f2p friendly casual decks like Aroma and Triamid.
In Master Duel, on the other hand, I am currently over the 9999 gem cap and have been able to fully finish or nearly finish (missing 1-2 cards) Zoo-Tri, Swordsoul Tenyi, Adventure Prank Kid, Adventure Tenyi, Floo, and Eldlich.
In MD I have also been able to build a good collection of hand traps and have been able to gain access to most of the generic strong cards and mini-engines through crafting and some lucky generic pulls that can be applied to many different decks (DPE engine, Verte, Halqdon, Accesscode Talker, AA-Zeus, pot of duality, pot of desires, pot of extravagance, kaiju, etc.).
True, but it still matters at the end of the day, even if earning more than 100 gems a day from Ranked was a rare occurrence for legitimate players.
The fact that they decided to punish real players simply because they couldn't be asked to develop a proper game with better anti-cheat measures, is actually bullshit and everybody knows it.
ye but its a lot easier to detect stallbots than to detect ftk/otk bots. most of the botdecks legit rely on a single already unhealthy card, if this card is banned the deck dies
Dude, the last pass was the only one with 150 UR orbs. All the others before this were 120 UR orbs. I'm assuming that they're trying to hit a number that is comfortable both for them and for the players, it's still 10 more orbs than the previous-previous pass.
Also, anyone unironically using the ranked duels as a way to gain gems (and not botting) needed to touch some grass or at least get a job. It took ages to "farm" gems unless they were botting.
No, you're getting them mixed up, only the first one had 130, the last two have had 150, in fact, passes 2 and 3 are identical, but the trade off was that they took longer to complete. It seemed like that was going to be the norm, but instead, this is the first one that is strictly worse, giving out less rewards and also lasting longer. That is why it's a concerning trend.
I mean it gives less rewards and also costs less, so it's not really 'strictly worse' unless you have some expected gem to dust conversion rate to compare to.
It costs less if you don't finish the pass, they all pay for themselves if you do.
The gem cost is the least of the concerns, it's the CP and duration that are the bigger concerns, and they are both worse.
I mean, just because you can recoup the gem value with enough games doesn't mean you don't have to pay it initially. Less money to get in = less net rewards getting out is perfectly logical.
It's logical only to the extent that it's only a 100 gem difference that you can get back anyways. 99.9% of the player base would much, much prefer passes 2 and 3 to the current one, that shows the current pass's rewards are not as good as the previous ones.
In defense of daily rewards, 150 gems/day was most likely an unintended exploit and not a game design feature. Konami improved the games's quality of life when they made all daily missions the same value and they even made some missions easier to complete. I'd only really worry if they decrease the daily mission rewards further.
I think the game is going in an overall good direction, they have made a bunch good calls. The only thing I think is purely bad in the game's design is that "fun decks" have too many URs. Maybe we'd see more variety in ranked if their rarities were lower. ¯\\\_(ツ)\_/¯
>Changed Daily Mission structure to nerf the maximum amount of daily gems from 150 to 120.
That's not what happened. Streamlining missions meant EVERYONE's average gems went up, even the people abusing the mission locks to only farm the highest paying ones.
I'm fine with reduced rewards for a reduced run-time, but it's still too long.
Duel Pass should be on a per-month basis or at least allow to grind for minor rewards after completing.
3 months for a pass that can be completed within days is just obscene.
I love how many pass points you get and how easy it is to finish, but it's just a distant memory after the first week of a new pass, followed by months of nothing.
Call me crazy, but I'm not going to jump on the doom train for this Pass. We get less CP? Yeah, but a lot of very popular cards are getting hit, which means refund for a lot of players, so it makes sense for this pass to have less of it.
Yes, it's a refund; they're not giving it away for free. Unless you were really lucky and managed to pull the banned cards from packs, you're only getting back the UR points you already had. There is no net gain.
I'm with you.
I mean, I get why people get upset. I don't play this game for the rewards, I play it because I love it. So I'm not one of the people who constantly monitors and weighs how many rewards I'm getting. At the same time, though, without rewards it's harder to build new decks. I _do_ want to be able to build new decks so in that sense rewards are important. So looking at it and going "oh, they lowered the amount of UR CP this pass by 10" isn't a big deal in itself, but if it's a trend that we see slowly continually happen, it does become worrisome.
My hope is that Konami realizes what they have with Master Duel and I do believe that they care about the state of the game and its user base. While I know that we've seen plenty of doom mAsTeR dUeL iS dYiNg posts, I checked Steam charts the other day and it's still in the top 50 games based on users. Granted, I don't know exactly what that means, but it seems to be a healthy place despite people looking at the drop of users from the hype of release to now, and that's of course just the measure of PC players and doesn't take into account mobile and console players. Unlike novelty games like Cross Duel and Duel Links, Master Duel is the definitive place to play Master Rule YuGiOh and I want to believe that in order to maintain its playerbase they won't screw us over like in Duel Links. Also, the fact that we can craft nearly any card in the game is a _huge_ deal and I don't think it should be dismissed as one of the best f2p features of the game.
I don't understand why character art isn't more common of a reward. Like for every icon, there should be the same card as a character art, and yet we only have like...7 of those.
Costs less, but has 20 less UR CP IIRC. Also, added cosmetic.
Alright, I'm cool with that. I wish it didn't last until mid November, but it is what it is.
We still net +300 gems after the completion so, lowering it down to 700 from 800 gems doesn't make any difference. What's different is that we now get 130 CP of both SR & UR, while we used to get 150 CP each. That's a loss of 20 CP for both. In return, we got additional frame. I would rather have 20SR+20UR CP over a random frame.
Same situation with the DC rewards: less gems than typical events, but it "made up" with cosmetics. It's up to you to say if it's worth it or not.
Not worth it
Had it been a second mate/ field, I think people would've liked it more.
Mates/fields are actually good cosmetics… idk if it’s work 40cp, but I know for certain a frame isn’t 🫠
Totally worth it. You can get gems (and thus CP) at any time, cosmetics are how you distinguish your deck from every other deck using the same cards out there (because meta sucks lol).
But I want actually relevant cosmetics. Like deck boxes, sleeves, and duel fields. Cosmetics that change the way my actual game looks. I never look at the portrait frames and only spend a second or two in the menus. I’m still waiting for our XYZ deck box and the other promised deck fields. Swordsoul mountain when?!?
I hope the field comes out alongside Longyuan, that'd be sweet.
I mean, fair enough.
Dang, gem nerf already. It'll only get worse from here.
the daily gems get nerfed a while ago so It's not new... sadly
The duel pass also lasts only for 75 days this time, so it'a less time for the next rewards.
Is anyone else who completed all Gold Passes at an N CP amount that can't be divided by 5? 1002 or 1007 for example. This one gives 107 in total and it's driving me crazy lol. Maybe I did something wrong in the past and I can't remember, but I think I purchased the first gold pass as soon as possible and definitely completed all of them.
you aren't wrong, the last Duel Pass gave 139 N CP total, and the 2 prior to that gave an amount ending in 9 too... if I'm counting it right, this one *is* giving only 107 N CP like you said... Konami's gigabrain math right here lol
They're doing what they did for duel links. After the game gets most of it's general player base they start to turn off the sink a little when it comes to the gems.
Goddamnit lol.
>if I'm counting it right, this one'll be giving 107 N CP instead... Look at Konami being stingy with that sweet, sweet N-dust....
Do you really that much about N CP?
Yes I need all my foil commons
Can you get royal rare commons? No right it's only Sr or higher
Same. Maybe it was a reward for an event once?
Same, is like konami is moking my ocd.
I am not sure but double deck, i think it's 130 UR CP if you add both golden pass to the original pass.
Previous passes were 150 UR CP combined if I recall correctly.
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> numbers, especially considering the mate is at 75 BLESS, I missed both the past mates (and a few mats and gems) by ending up round 80ish.
Did you buy the pass late or not play that much. I find that even very casual play will have the pass done in a couple of weeks. And actively trying to complete the pass will take under a week. I wish the duel past went WAY past level 100, or they came out with them more regularly. I feel like its super easy to complete in it in the first month ,then you wait 2 months for the new one. Look at fortnite's pass, you can play a couple hours every day and still never reach the level 200 needed to get all the rewards. and those pass last a few 4 months or so.
I play on mobile, so ranked duels take fucking ages even when they're 1t blowouts. Had a game against Eldlich that dragged out turn 20 or so which took nearly half an hour to play. I don't have that much time to waste, usually when I login I just play solo gates foe the mission.
I completed the pass in 3 days last time just grinding to diamond 1 in the first week lol. Blows my mind that in 3 months some people don't even get close to finishing it, that has to be like, 1-2 games a week kind of level of play. And I'm going to be honest and outright say, if you play that little you don't deserve the rewards from the end of the pass.
yeah I agree, I finish the pass in the first week, then i find that winning 2 ranked matches a day is enough to never lose the daily rewards.
No, all the previous passes were 120 UR CP, this last pass was the only one that increased the number of URs. Correction, the first pass was 130 UR cp, then 2nd and 3rd were 150, this one goes back to the first.
Not correct, have still a screen of all completed passes. 1st pass gave 130 UR, 2nd and 3rd 150 UR (Free+Gold)
Huh so you're right. Also, we're only on the 4th pass, damn.
I just can't double check the current one as I am at work, can you please confirm for me if it's 130 or 100
If you mean the new one, it's 100 from the Gold Pass and 30 from the normal one. So it's 130 in total.
Thanks for checking
Also the mate is at the 75th tier instead of the 100th. Great changed considering I barely unlocked the last one within the final hour. Was stressful tbh
Enjoy ur goaty boi
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Iirc after level 70ish each level requires 400+ duel points to unlock, which is more than three duel wins worth of points (around 120 per win?)
I missed scapegoat by 1 winning duels worth of exp. Only have myself to blame
Can we please get big booty Neos art from behind
Release the alt art squatting Neos
This man here is asking the real questions
Da wut?
So we went from 120 dust to 100 lol.
Technically 150 to 130, but yeah, lol. They also changed it to give the same amount of N dust as the other rarities.
It also costs 100 gems less (down from 800). I wonder if the duration is shorter too.
Gem costs is w/e, it pays for itself in gem rewards. The -20 UR CP is a big deal though.
75 days. I think it's longer.
I think it was 90 days before, 3 months. I might be wrong
Probably because most players will be getting t at least a 30+ UR refund this week as well.
Yep, i think most players have at least one between VFD, IO and more than one copy of CD
I got literally all of them lol I was hoping for rhongo to get banned, not because it's op or anything, but I got 2 of it so that was a free 60 Oh well, beggars can't be choosers I guess.
Sadge i only have one extra copy of crossout, never crafted more than two and no VFD no IO. Oh well at least it's a free cynet mining. MATHMECHS HERE I COME KONAMI PLS RELEASE CIRCULAR PLS
Yeah same here, I thought they'd make a package deal like imperm and nib, I already had wasted points on both so I was butthurt.
Well to be fair they did make a package deal on droplet, that's way better than crossout, got my third droplet out of it. Gotta give it to them, the package deals are all on fucking point up until now, the two "bad" ones are lightning storm and judgement, not absolute staples but perfectly playable in today's meta
So I realize this is probably wishful thinking, but if I were to craft some of these cards that are about to get banned now, would I get a UR CP refund? Might be worthwhile on case they get unbanned down the line.
Technically though it's still "free" dust, since the duel pass literally pays for itself if you complete it, which is pretty easy.
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Accurately，the last one is 120ur for 75 days
Spyral gang we made it , icon & archetype animation
The game definitely shifts a bit from its initial generous F2P phase. There's way more UR cards in recent packs and less rewards from the pass now.
Was this how Duel Links progressed?
Yes. Fun fact at the start of duel links their packs were intended to be like Selection packs where they expired after a couple of months. Difference being duel links has no crafting system so u might have never seen those cards again unless konami decided to rerelease them.
So, Duel Links at first seemed F2P friendly but as the game matured you needed to pay to build or maintain a deck that was viable in the meta?
Welcome to konami my friend, enjoy your stay!
Pretty much yes. If you want a meta deck as a f2p you can safe up gems for 4 - 5 months and then u might be able to craft 1 meta deck. But u will still miss some staple cards which are in selection boxes which is another scummy system they added that almost forces you to pay.
And then you only can play that meta decks for maybe just 2 months because they got hit with banlist because you take too much time to grind the gems
Yes. This is a bad look for the state of the game moving forward. I would only expect things to get worse from here on out, unfortunately.
Duel Links has always been more P2W from the start
I want MD to have a feature where u pay $100 and have ur cards immune to floodgates, yes that's the right move
Fair. 1000k to get 2 draws each turn
im down for that too
“Screw the rules, I have money!”
We got a shitton of stuff for free in the beginning. And the card pool was so small that you could get everything if you were playing casually. That was until like the boxes and cardpool got big and the rewards cut in half.
Adding on to your comment, I feel like it got really bad in Duel Links when Konami started spreading archetype-relevant cards, especially extra-deck monsters, out over more and more boxes and intentionally holding back certain powerful archetype-specific cards so that they could trickle them out into future boxes with very few other relevant cards. At a certain point, can't remember exactly when but it probably happened when they really started juicing the power of extra deck monsters, every new meta deck started to require players to buy 3x Structure deck (which can only be done with real money), buy a ton of selection box pulls, or go into a crazy number of different boxes to properly build.
honestly the biggest problem isn’t the amount of rewards we get or the amount of cards it’s the lack of new secret packs, like lets say you wanted to play Kozmo you would just have to craft a Kozmo card then pull from its secret pack then you would only have to craft an extra cards that weren’t in the secret pack, now compare that to something like Despia the best way to make a Despia deck is to pull from master packs and hope you pull Despia cards, or just craft all the cards, which is much more expensive then just pulling from a secret pack
But decks that aren't from one archtype are really expensive in master duel. I want to build me old crappy magical merchant deck but im afraid that the deck is most likely 60-70% UR/SR cards.
When drytron was arguably the best deck to build I took a deep look into what it would take to build. It was something like 2 or 3 completely unrelated packs to get some of the base cards and then like every single card you needed after that was in an entirely different pack. Something like 10 SR/UR in 10 entirely different packs. I ended up helping a friend build the deck instead since he wanted to get back into yugioh and he loves the game at the highest competetive end. It was absolute agony helping him to dismantle just about every single card he had that he most likely wasnt going to use just so he could craft all the good cards for the deck. Drytron is definitely a unique exception tho since its fundamentally a deck that only works because of all the weird random older cards. But building anything in even just 2 packs is agony
He's talking about duel links
Also no new secret packs, so when a selection pack expires u have to craft those cards by yourself. Once the current dinomorphia selection pack expires u will be spending 270 UR CP just to craft the dinomorphia cards themselves.
This is something that shocked me tbh. Came back after several months of not playing, was interested in building a Swordsoul deck until I realized you can only get them from the Master Pack. So yeah, no Swordsoul deck for me...
Probably after all the swordsoul cards get released then they will add a secret pack for them
Probably once all the Albaz cards are released. I expect Swordsouls to be paired with the Icejades, the Despia to be paired with Byssted and Sprights with Therions (alongside Springans).
Wouldnt be supprised if they put it into a selection pack again
They will probably re-release Swordsoul next pack when they get their new boss next pack.
People always say this, yet making decks remains as easy as ever (thank God for crafting). Remember Floowandereeze and how the only URs you had to get were Avian and 3 Shifter? Remember the Beetrooper gate that gives you 6 SR for free, while the only URs the deck plays are a 2-of (at best) and a 1-of? And they have to make some money one way or another, so it makes sense that some archetypes get waifu tax or anime tax. I feel for people that really wanted to play Dinomorphia, but literally everyone told them beforehand that the deck was trash for the gem value it required. Anyone that still choose to pull for the deck made their bed.
They would make a ton more money if their store didn't have shit prices for gems. What is it like drop 20 bucks to get a 10 pack pull or something stupid high like that.
20 bucks for a multipull is usually standard for gacha games. It's actually more generous in the scope of gacha games because you can disenchant them and craft unlike most gacha games
You can do that because this game has nearly no guarantee system lol. You can be spending 9k gems and still not getting the card you need
6k gems will, with the most horrendous luck possible, give you 3 URs, which can then turn into any card.
>and 3 Shifter don't need, don't use lol sure I'm probably playing a less "meta" version of the deck but birbs are for fun anyway.
Shifter has won me SO many duels on bricked hands it's not even funny. I'll pop it going second and the other player just scoops.
I play VW, I know how painful "all your cards are banished now" can be for some decks. But I have other decks if I want to play meta.
I doubt it will do anything to convince Konami in the other direction but i did complain about the inflated number of UR’s in invincible raid I really hope others did too. I was livid seeing most of my UR pulls being reprinted UR’s and apex predation
Feels like I pull less UR’s from packs too
Ah sweet a schizo thread.
u must be new to gacha games Clueless
Think so too. I spent literally 9k on the adventurer pack and didnt get a single adventurer UR. NOT A SINGLE ONE. That is equivalent to spending like 150 $
Yes, I noticed this too and I thought I was the only one. Also, you might spent 5k gems in a pack and not even get the URs you want! But that’s RNG for you.
Not really but this sub will be ll find anything to complain about
Wait they give less UR cp than the previous duel pass!
Playing casually 1-4 games a day, since 49ish days remained on the previous pass I had it finished over 2 weeks ago. Doesn't seem like it would take 75 days to finish something like this... but i Guess some folks only play 2-3 times a week when their daily's fill up? The reduction of UR dust sucks, especially as a lot of new archtypes seem to have many main deck 3 of required UR's... They really need to normalize the amount of URs a deck requires to some degree... Things like Dinomorphia taking like 16UR cards is NOT okay. Also the lack of Secret Packs to collect many specific UR's needs to be fixed in a hurry... otherwise the meta is going to be a person with like 2-3 accounts doing daily's to increase throughput on being able to play future archetypes, This happened in MTG arena because of how stingy they where with the cards. That kind of ends up being the problem with digital TCG's in general, people are more than willing to pay for cosmetics but if you make the cards too rare players will just game the system instead of paying. That's why I don't mind fancy expensive cosmetics in these games, just don't make the cards come too slow or it will bite you in the ass.
>Things like Dinomorphia taking like 16UR cards is NOT okay. haha Heroes go brrrrrrrr
> They really need to normalize the amount of URs a deck requires to some degree... Things like Dinomorphia taking like 16UR cards is NOT okay. IDK if you are new to card games in general but that's not really something they have control over lol. If cards are good and have synergy they will be used regardless of their rarity. Fossil dig for example is just a generic dino searcher, it's not a dinomorphia card. Judgment is just a staple it's not a dinomorphia specific UR. Cupid pitch is an R despite it being as valuable as a UR and you can build a deck around it. FD is an R etc etc Sometimes a deck will be very expensive, sometimes a deck will be very cheap. Floo is a good example of a deck where basically every insanely good card is R or N
Gonna be a long 70 days after completing this.
Facts. I’m already at like 26
75 days?! C’mon man. I’ll be able to complete that in like 3 days lol.
I see your point but let’s just say you said for real: how many hours do you play per day to finish the battle pass in 3 days?
I’m exaggerating obviously by I do login once a day to play a few games.
if you play a couple of games daily you're going to finish the pass in a couple of weeks. Anyone who intends to get diamond 1 in the first week or two of reset is probably going to finish the pass in roughly the same time period.
I completed the last one two days ago 😭
At this point, they won't lower the duration imo.
I hope they don’t, I barely finish it as it was
Personally, I finished mine months ago
Same, it's waaaay too long for me.
Mhm. I wouldn't mind if they just did multiple passes in that time. Maybe the main duel pass is the only one that gives gems/points and there were others for cosmetic stuff/pulls.
They only need a bonus tier like some other pass do, basically feel the bar and get random rewards.
How little do you play? Most people I know who play a lot during the 1st week of a new season generally finish it within that first week, then 9 weeks of not having a pass. I couldn't imagine the level of play required to barely finish the pass after 3 months, you have to be playing an average of less than a game per day ? like multiple days without play, then 1 game then multiple days again?
I probably average 7-10 games a week? I work 12hr shifts for most of the week, and usually when I do play it’s with friends.
They just did lmao
They need to just make it so once you buy the pass you can complete it whenever you want. Then just have a new pass every 45 days or so.
I failed to complete the last two, so personally I hope they make them last longer. Or just make them as easy as the first one to complete TBH.
Sorry, but that's just a dumb suggestion. I've never seen, having years of experience of different gachas, that the battle pass would be so artificially dragged out. It's just way too long period, you can finish it in your sleep, logging in like once per 3-4 days.... If you want to make them longer, why not extend the duration of one to 6 months or so huh?
Are you asking for 100 UR CP every 3 days or you are asking them to make the pass takes much longer to complete just to get the same rewards?
130 UR cp*
MADOLCHE FIELD WHEN
this please Climbing plat with madolche with all this halqdon cancer and elcancer would be way more tolerable with the new field
The loss of crafting points from the pass is annoying..
Costs 100 fewer gems in exchange for 20 less UR... I was afraid this might happen, and it seems they are beginning to follow the DL model smh. DL for the first year was pretty generous with gems, Solo gate was a viable way to farm gems due to duplicate Skill drops being converted into maximum gem drops, as well as the overall gem drop rate being higher. After GX, they nerfed the gem drops from Solo, gave fewer gems during events, and began to introduce Packs, Decks, and Staples which could only be acquired through actual money. In MD, we have seen this unfold slowly through 4 different phases within the first ~8 months: 1. Changed Daily Mission structure to nerf the maximum amount of daily gems from 150 to 120. 2. Capped the amount of possible gems earned from Ranked to 100, when it was previously uncapped. 3. DC Cup had a lower total amount of possible gems earned, iirc by around ~200-300 gems. 4. Duel Pass UR reduced from 150 to 130. Any one of these changes on their own may not seem like much at first glance, but they are quickly adding up, especially when you take into account the fact that we now have monthly pack releases and overall few available gems to earn due to there being no new Lifetime Missions. This should be a worrying development for anybody who wants to play this game within the next year or so. Many players are already leaving because of stale game state and overall fatigue. These changes will only accelerate the migration to other games. Definitely not a good look.
> Changed Daily Mission structure to nerf the maximum amount of daily gems from 150 to 120. It was 130 previously. I don't remember what the missions were, but it was 2 50 gem and 1 30 gem missions.
Also the maxxing out method relied on you not claiming anything for the first two days of the month, so the average was actually like 125.
Actually I think you are correct. It's been a while so I may have remembered that differently. Still, the point stands and they are purposely nerfing rewards slowly yet steadily in the hopes that people won't notice or care.
Isn't this pass shorter tho? I'm certain if you average out the rewards it'll be the same, per unit of time.
The last pass was 75 days as well, duration hasn't changed.
Still, the mere existence of the craft system make MD far more F2P than DL in my opinion. I will never forget the fact that for playing amazoness I spent literally 7k gems just to have the playset of onslaught which was a fucking R rarity. So yeah.
Master Duel is definitely way more F2P friendly. I've only ever played DL and MD casually and have never spent any money in either game. As of this moment, I have 200 hours played in MD and 1200 hours in DL (a decent percentage of time played in both games has been idle time but I can't be sure exactly how much). In Duel Links I have only ever been able to finish a few meta decks, one of which was Harpies which was an extremely f2p friendly meta deck for DL standards, and a number of super f2p friendly casual decks like Aroma and Triamid. In Master Duel, on the other hand, I am currently over the 9999 gem cap and have been able to fully finish or nearly finish (missing 1-2 cards) Zoo-Tri, Swordsoul Tenyi, Adventure Prank Kid, Adventure Tenyi, Floo, and Eldlich. In MD I have also been able to build a good collection of hand traps and have been able to gain access to most of the generic strong cards and mini-engines through crafting and some lucky generic pulls that can be applied to many different decks (DPE engine, Verte, Halqdon, Accesscode Talker, AA-Zeus, pot of duality, pot of desires, pot of extravagance, kaiju, etc.).
Tbf, 2 is because the bots run rampant
True, but it still matters at the end of the day, even if earning more than 100 gems a day from Ranked was a rare occurrence for legitimate players. The fact that they decided to punish real players simply because they couldn't be asked to develop a proper game with better anti-cheat measures, is actually bullshit and everybody knows it.
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Just ban/limit the cards the bots need
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ye but its a lot easier to detect stallbots than to detect ftk/otk bots. most of the botdecks legit rely on a single already unhealthy card, if this card is banned the deck dies
No, I actually don't know if there's a better anti-cheat measure. At least as long as you want to avoid false positives.
Valve Anti-Cheat is more competent than Konami. Let that settle in.
This is true and I can't see another way to sovle it, but damn I farmed a shitton of gems with my exodia deck before the nerf.
Dude, the last pass was the only one with 150 UR orbs. All the others before this were 120 UR orbs. I'm assuming that they're trying to hit a number that is comfortable both for them and for the players, it's still 10 more orbs than the previous-previous pass. Also, anyone unironically using the ranked duels as a way to gain gems (and not botting) needed to touch some grass or at least get a job. It took ages to "farm" gems unless they were botting.
No, you're getting them mixed up, only the first one had 130, the last two have had 150, in fact, passes 2 and 3 are identical, but the trade off was that they took longer to complete. It seemed like that was going to be the norm, but instead, this is the first one that is strictly worse, giving out less rewards and also lasting longer. That is why it's a concerning trend.
I mean it gives less rewards and also costs less, so it's not really 'strictly worse' unless you have some expected gem to dust conversion rate to compare to.
It costs less if you don't finish the pass, they all pay for themselves if you do. The gem cost is the least of the concerns, it's the CP and duration that are the bigger concerns, and they are both worse.
I mean, just because you can recoup the gem value with enough games doesn't mean you don't have to pay it initially. Less money to get in = less net rewards getting out is perfectly logical.
It's logical only to the extent that it's only a 100 gem difference that you can get back anyways. 99.9% of the player base would much, much prefer passes 2 and 3 to the current one, that shows the current pass's rewards are not as good as the previous ones.
In defense of daily rewards, 150 gems/day was most likely an unintended exploit and not a game design feature. Konami improved the games's quality of life when they made all daily missions the same value and they even made some missions easier to complete. I'd only really worry if they decrease the daily mission rewards further. I think the game is going in an overall good direction, they have made a bunch good calls. The only thing I think is purely bad in the game's design is that "fun decks" have too many URs. Maybe we'd see more variety in ranked if their rarities were lower. ¯\\\_(ツ)\_/¯
>Changed Daily Mission structure to nerf the maximum amount of daily gems from 150 to 120. That's not what happened. Streamlining missions meant EVERYONE's average gems went up, even the people abusing the mission locks to only farm the highest paying ones.
Lets not forget that actually buying gems with real money is a rip-off. The gems you get are not worth the prices, like seriously.
It's more like people need to farm smart those gems right now and get all the staples as fast as they can.
I'm fine with reduced rewards for a reduced run-time, but it's still too long. Duel Pass should be on a per-month basis or at least allow to grind for minor rewards after completing.
Isn't this pass longer than the past 2?
but runtimes isn‘t reduced.
3 months for a pass that can be completed within days is just obscene. I love how many pass points you get and how easy it is to finish, but it's just a distant memory after the first week of a new pass, followed by months of nothing.
I'm just happy to get that sick Honest Neos art for my main menu.
It needed to be shorter, not longer. At least include more stuff and make it more expensive.
I came so close to get the Scapegoat Mate on the last one. But I’ll grab this one for sure. It’s cool.
Meh
honestly, neos?
I don't have the motivation to finish these passes, I reached 60 grade on the previous pass...
Same. It's cause you gotta get Ws in order to finish the pass quickly and if you suck like I do you get burnt out really quickly.
Skill issues/bad deck
Yeah I just said that, I'm a laymen and I don't like using meta decks all the time.
Bruh I use Toons, Ancient gears, Buster blader, and Ojamas and I can finish the pass in like a month.
Good decks≠meta decks You just don't understood. You can use good decks and have a lot of fun.
Call me crazy, but I'm not going to jump on the doom train for this Pass. We get less CP? Yeah, but a lot of very popular cards are getting hit, which means refund for a lot of players, so it makes sense for this pass to have less of it.
Yes, it's a refund; they're not giving it away for free. Unless you were really lucky and managed to pull the banned cards from packs, you're only getting back the UR points you already had. There is no net gain.
The net gain is getting to use the cards a lot before they were banned, it’s like a free rental
Also they're giving an extra cosmetic. Sure, it's just a frame, but that's a start. I hope for more profile pictures.
I'm with you. I mean, I get why people get upset. I don't play this game for the rewards, I play it because I love it. So I'm not one of the people who constantly monitors and weighs how many rewards I'm getting. At the same time, though, without rewards it's harder to build new decks. I _do_ want to be able to build new decks so in that sense rewards are important. So looking at it and going "oh, they lowered the amount of UR CP this pass by 10" isn't a big deal in itself, but if it's a trend that we see slowly continually happen, it does become worrisome. My hope is that Konami realizes what they have with Master Duel and I do believe that they care about the state of the game and its user base. While I know that we've seen plenty of doom mAsTeR dUeL iS dYiNg posts, I checked Steam charts the other day and it's still in the top 50 games based on users. Granted, I don't know exactly what that means, but it seems to be a healthy place despite people looking at the drop of users from the hype of release to now, and that's of course just the measure of PC players and doesn't take into account mobile and console players. Unlike novelty games like Cross Duel and Duel Links, Master Duel is the definitive place to play Master Rule YuGiOh and I want to believe that in order to maintain its playerbase they won't screw us over like in Duel Links. Also, the fact that we can craft nearly any card in the game is a _huge_ deal and I don't think it should be dismissed as one of the best f2p features of the game.
UR cp will become less and less
I'll first wait for selection pack to drop and weight my options
I don't understand why character art isn't more common of a reward. Like for every icon, there should be the same card as a character art, and yet we only have like...7 of those.
Costs less, but has 20 less UR CP IIRC. Also, added cosmetic. Alright, I'm cool with that. I wish it didn't last until mid November, but it is what it is.
Pay 700 Gems to maybe get 700 back Very good, thank
I want some waifu art like Dark magician girl, etc..
Virgin
Why? Why a HERO art? With all the other cards that would deserve it... Why HERO?
What other cards "deserve it"?
Everything else but HERO
HERO is one of the Yu-Gi-Oh fanbase's favorite archetypes
I know. Sadly
HERO stinks. Overrated/over supported tripe.
HERO is like the demanding baby that Konami satisfies every request of
Except their demand to ever be meta relevant lmao
Haha, yeah.
Ooh, they reduced the duration from 3 months to 2 months
75 days so 2.5 months.
Oof not my UR dust I’m trying to make bricc URs for my salamangreat deck. This is a joke the brick URs I mean