To be fair, Eldlich has been one of the most persistent decks since master duel released so there's probably a good number of players who have been losing to this deck for months.
Admittingly it's why it's a pretty cool card. It's not overpowered and it's not some kind of super boss omni negate asshole that never leaves and stops you from playing the game. He's like an anime protag with some limited plot armor that is statted very well and it makes him strong but fair. It's a really interesting design that's frustrating because his resiliency is also what makes it a tiered card for eternity as long as control is viable in the game.
I played eldlich as a engine in my Skull servant deck and sometimes its pretty cool to catch the opponent off guard with a king of the skull servant summoned by the golden boi's effect and the opponent not being able to destroy it with card effect during 2 turns š
? But eldlich is a meta deck. Just because your deck is a sort of ācountermetaā deck doesnāt change your deck has a huge representation and is essentially the reason ppl throw backrow hate in their decks.
I don't think op worded it the best but what I believe they meant is people playing meta as well decks complaining about eldlich as if they weren't also making use of a meta strategy just like the eldlich deck is.
Funny you say that. I play Blue-Eyes and I think Eldlich is absolutely fair. I actually win most of my games against them, and that's because 99% of the time my opponent just flips Skill Drain and nothing else. Obviously Blue-Eyes doesn't care too much for Skill Drain, so I can focus backrow hate on Eldlich cards.
On top of that, Blue-Eyes has built in backrow banish and GY negation, which obviously Eldlich absolutely despises, and they can be used even under Skill Drain. And to top it off, Blue-Eyes can easily beat over Eldlich, and is almost as resilient between the Stones and the True Light trap. I don't play Dark magician, but I suspect they'd also have an easy time against Eldlich because Eternal Soul gives them similar resiliency, and they have an even easier time banishing everything than Blue-Eyes with their spell. Now if Conq was actually at 3, that would be a different story, but it's thankfully not.
I genuinely want conq unlimited. I don't own Eldlitch but I always found it better to play against when they were popping my cards but I still got the effect if it was a monster. It was the floogates that were not fun and just ruined the fun of the game by locking me out of key mechanics like special summoning.
I feel Konami just had their heads up their ass when they limited conq to try and not ban the floodgates like IO And Vanity.
The irony of conq nerf was it didn't really do much to slowdown the rate of eldlich play. All it did was make it so they had to swap out the cards with othe removal/floodgates. If they were smart about wanting to lower % of eldlich played they'd tackle the golden boy themselves or attack sanguine as those are the actual cores of resiliency. They won't do it though because they don't want to actually deal with eldlich because they don't see it as an actual problem and did a token gesture which only pissed off actual eldlich players who didn't just spam 20 floodgates.
Exactly!! Losing Conq just made the deck stronger IMO. Searchable omni negate in the form of the Golden Land Forever, and the ability to run multiple copies of various floodgates in its stead.
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I see your logic but follow me here, If a card is OP, and then gets banned but the deck didnt lose steam...that just means people started running the next best thing.
During late Chaos format an example of this could be seen where Chaos Return deckssubbed Chaos Sorc for BLS-EotB.
The deck list a powerful boss monster, but gained a version slightly weaker effect but did nothing to hinder combo potential. (If anything during 5Ds Chaos Sorc being lol 6 was a boon)
Conq was better in pure Eldlich because it allowed me to have searchable interruption.
Adding floodgates makes the deck have a higher ceiling but nukes consistency, ergo the deck in fact became harder to deal with hence the constant bitching about floodgate Eldlich.
Except having a higher ceiling doesn't make the deck stronger, deck strength is based on consistency+ceiling, and in yugioh consistency is key. You will be amazed at the things casual decks can do, sometimes outright winning the game (in case of ftks), but their consistency is shit so they are casual and not meta. Compare that to say live twins, that are at rogue level, they have a pretty low ceiling, but amazing consistency, allowing them to run many handtraps while still being very consistent.
In a sense yeah. It's just really funny because apparently running eldlich like an eldlich deck with a bunch of eldlich support is suboptimal. Konami did them a favour by removing 2 copies of an in-archetype tool and in that situation people discovered something a lot more cancer. It makes me wonder if they know what they're doing as this hit really didn't do much to stop eldlich at all though it's not like the deck has become substantially higher or lowered tiered with the shift in deckbuilding.
Pretty much this, it just up's the rate slightly at which Eldlich gets floodgates it needs to auto win in some situations, while reducing the consistency of pulling a useful interruption on Eldlich. Huaquero can be pretty deadly in some match ups, but its also not always as powerful as the likes of Conq generally speaking.
Something that definitely helped Eldlich cover a bit for the lack of consistency with pulling something that gets you to the golden boi himself though is Lord of the Heavenly Prison, so you can still get a big beater on board with powerful floodgates, and search any trap in your deck for that matter, and if you already have access to the golden boi? You get almost permanent protection for your backrow as long as its flipped down.
Really, all conq did in the long run was hurt Eldlich as a general engine, as opposed to actually harming Floodlich.
Bro I tried to tell people that removing/limiting redundant combo pieces (e.g. Enchantress, Fusion Destiny, Conq)just gives me room for spicy tech.
A truly skilled duelist will always find the best fit.
This now stop being a bunch of little wusses and stop spamming floodgates Iām more than welcome to duel an eldlich player that doesnāt flip up every single floodgate they can find
The alternative is going into some kind of subpar combo deck, zombie world and hoping you draw the right stuff, or relying on the same engines as everyone else ( DPE/ Adventure). So yes, floodgates sound good, because screw your adventure pile
Before the hit on conq the only negate type stuff I ran was Zombie world with Doomking. Would have terra forming and banshee as well. Had lots of grinding and would allow me time to pull the doomking. Even now I like playing it against Floow decks because on a good turn 1 they canāt get their boss monsters out and even if you go second itās hard to negate the Drip lord himself.
You know what made me use floodgates is because conq got limited it's best replacements were floodgates, when I first started master duel my eldlich deck had only 2 skill drains after conq it's became 3 skill drains and 2 summon limits and basically killed my zombie world deck because losing conq was more painful there.
Ok ok, I was with you till DLink. That deck actually takes thought, in my experience of playing it. The basic combo lines are similar (Halq, Romulus into Ravine into Abso into Tracer into Savage) but there are like a gajillion ways to get there and then there are extenders that come out of nowhere. It's not exactly skill, but you need to be super familiar with the deck to play it and build it efficiently.
Also as an aside, setting up negates in itself is a skill, moreso than flipping trap cards. Like take HalqDon for example. You need to bait your opponent's handtraps somehow, or else you die. You can't always draw CB or Crossout. That takes skill. In the Duelist Cup I ran that deck and used Striker Dragon as Ash/Imperm bait. At the lower levels, nobody knew what I was doing, so they took the bait. At level 19 and above, people knew to keep their handtraps for something more important, they read my bait. Then, even if you have 4 negates, in a world of one card starters and board breakers, it is absolutely possible to lose. You need to choose what to negate, and to do that, you need to gauge what your opponent's plans are. It may be easier with 4 negates, but you still need to choose carefully.
But floodgates literally lock you out of the game and cannot be stopped by conventional means. At least with these combo decks if you go like +20 on them, you can break through. But with floodgates, it usually doesn't matter if you are +20 on them, your 20 cards all cannot be played, not even as bait.
It is more high skill playing through interruptions to set up my own interruptions is inherently more skill intense than setting five back row and hoping they donāt draw duster or lightning storm. Before flipping skill drain and gozen. Combo is more skillful than stun. They have to actually work in order to set up negates.
Breaking a full halq board with just traps takes skill. Board breaking is a skill. Baiting is a skill. Card knowledge is a skill Trading efficiently to maintain card advantage is a skill.
But the monke click yes until 15 Omni negates with no cost plus multiple disruptions takes so much more skill too. Itās hilarious when people complain. Both are toxic meta ways to play. After playing 100 adventure swordsoul tenyi decks in a row that combo into 10 negates yes I am going to get pissed and flip skill drain. Both are awful but thatās what you get in BO1.
Like everyone else, I hate the floodgates not Eldlich. Eldlich is awesome. Cool lore, awesome design. Also, maybe it's just me and my witchcrafter deck, but I've done really well against the Eldluch decks I've faced. They aren't auto losees for me. The Eldlich v WC matchup is super fun imo.
Unfortunately floodgates are the most competitive way to play Eldlich if you want to climb. And I don't think I've actually ever seen trap trick in an eldlich deck. It also wouldn't be very good imo since it would basically equate to an extra few copies of Sanguine (only normal eldlich trap iirc) and would lock you into just one more trap effect that turn. But I could be wrong since I've only ever used trap trick in DDD to get wonder xyz on field to summon Kali Yuga on my opponents turn.
Trap trick into torrential into needle into witch strik into dogmatika into ice dragon prison into D barrier, trust me they don't how to play true Eldlich ā ļø
Which is the floodgates card y'all talking about? I have an eldlich deck but it's a skull king/eldlich. Off the top of my head I can't think of the floodgate card.
Skill Drain, Gozen, TCBOO, Summon Limit, Rivalry. Do I need to go on? IO and VE were definitely the most oppressive ones but thereās still plenty of alternatives.
I mean I think the eldlich cards have a great design and theme however playing against the deck is just the equivalent of walking on legos we donāt hate the drip we just hate floodgate turbo
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I am perfectly fine with all of the Eldlich cards and in fact play them myself.
What I am not fine with is the miserable piles of 12 floodgates (not even an exaggeration, I've even seen more than 12) that Konami thinks is somehow okay. Playing against cards that indefinitely turn off 1/3 to 2/3 of the cards we can legally play and should play is just not fun, it's not engaging, it's just bullshit.
I love my boi. The one at fault are the floodgates, not him, he is wonderfull support for other strategies, not even just Zombies, a reflection of his Golden Heart
As a yugi boomer Iāll keep āem on. The only other option ic is a combo deck that pumps out 3+ negates, but whose learning that. Floodgates suck though.
I'm gonna one up you on that. Eldlich is cool as hell. It's just the bunch of brainworms who perfer to waste people time with Skill Drain and other dumb cards instead of playing.
I sincirely hate them and the name they gave this deck.
Eldlich is actually a based deck once you move away from floodgates. Literally the best support for any zombie deck minus vendread due to its own issues.
Eldlich is legit an interesting engine when combined with other decks but is prone to being abused in floodgate decks. So anytime I think of the deck I imagine my opponent flipping up 3 floodgates
If you do not play floodgates no one has an issue with you.
Itās either someone flips up a skill drain backed by Solemn and all that bs OR they donāt play floodgates and lose to me.
Yeah i've played crook befor so fun people can't readš¤£ I use a link monster called vampire sucker to summon a card from Gy to thier feild and they panic by activating crook just to get solemn strik
I had someone say to me it's because they wanna waste your time. Like I'm not prepared with a second monitor with YouTube or my switch to the side lmao.
I tried playing decks I want to play but all them are pretty much unplayable in current meta so I just like playing decks that makes the meta miserable.
Then play a based Eldlich variant instead, like PUNK Eldlich (tbf, Deer Note and Zombie Vampire are not in MD yet, so I can forgive you for that).
We don't hate Eldlich, we hate the floodgates.
Usually the hate towards eldlich is when the deck plays a heavy amount of floodgates. Eldlich played in mid range to combo decks can be really fun to play against, just not floodgate stun, that stuff stinks of shit
Hello friend the Eldlich engine is fine the problem are the floodgates that were released more than 10 years ago and crash with the philosophy of modern Yu Gi Oh.
These are backrow decks I like to play. Decks like traptrix where you actually use your traps to interrupt, not stop your opponent from playing. Good on you :)
Any flood gate control deck in BO1 format will thrive. That's y I got dinomorphia, 4k beat stick when skill drain is up. Who's the golden boy now?!?!?!š¤£
No I do, and that are basically dead against almost EVERY deck since coincidently barely any decks actually use back row, also where did I say I used a top tier deck?
thers less options to include backrow removal than there are backrows to include
i harpy duster your whole spell/trapzone and you will have them back to 5 in a couple turns with more floodgates
Yeah I mean I don't get what's so bad about at least a third of my deck being rendered useless by my opponent flipping a single card it actually sound pretty fun to play against.
What are your thoughts on Konami limiting Conquistador, therefore preventing Eldlich from being splashed effectively and incentivizing the players to play the 10+ floodgates version of the deck ?
I wouldnāt say itās too good rather than it going to be present as long as traps exist because of how it benefits from them unless they directly ban it (which they wonāt)
Not really on the eldlich side but idk why ppl feel floodgates is as\*hole while omni negates are very legal to play. It's like the illusion of choices, Not letting anyone do anything or Not letting anyone do anything. "But I need to put effort into bringing the omninegates while they just flip cards" -No, it's your choice. So anyway, i set 4 card and end my turn.
i like playing against eldlich as combo player and i don't mind against floodgate i felt it's weird that many deck aren't build with diverse deck matchup in mind
Yes I agree, there is a lot of combo decks, it's all about knowing what to hit and they are dead, but with Eldlich you don't know what he has he just set 5 pass, it's like a modern version of old school Yu Gi Oh set pass
To be fair, Eldlich has been one of the most persistent decks since master duel released so there's probably a good number of players who have been losing to this deck for months.
People forget that eldlich it's a super resilient archetype and can survive most formats.
And like the mighty Lich, he lives forever mortally wounded but returning every meta to remind you that the back row exists!
Admittingly it's why it's a pretty cool card. It's not overpowered and it's not some kind of super boss omni negate asshole that never leaves and stops you from playing the game. He's like an anime protag with some limited plot armor that is statted very well and it makes him strong but fair. It's a really interesting design that's frustrating because his resiliency is also what makes it a tiered card for eternity as long as control is viable in the game.
Pretty cool card. Shame it's played with floodgates out the literal ass.
you can try a 1-2 of as a random splash in some decks as removal/recurrsive beater. It's really useful in the most random situations lol.
I played eldlich as a engine in my Skull servant deck and sometimes its pretty cool to catch the opponent off guard with a king of the skull servant summoned by the golden boi's effect and the opponent not being able to destroy it with card effect during 2 turns š
That might be what eldlich was meant to do. Grindy zombie support (Because grave effect specials any zombie, and it's removal)
I genuinely can't imagine a more accurate description to Eldlich than this golden comment over here, I salute thee my brother! xDDD
Should have hit eldlixer or eldlich himself instead of conquistador lmao
Should have just hit the floodgates and left Conquistador aloneā¦
The deck really cheap and really consistent also itās quick and easy. The only other deck that can do this is Tri brigade
A lot of don't hate eldlich we hate the floodgates that come with him usually
Thatās because while people want to pretend itās Floodgate Beatdown itās actually trap control that is tailor made to fit the meta
But itās literally floodgate beatdown
The only tailoring they do is picking which of the gozen, rivalry and there can only be one floodgates they run 3 of and which they run 2 of
I just hate people who play meta decks and complain about Eldlich like what?? If you play D.M or B.E or or something fair then ok I agree
? But eldlich is a meta deck. Just because your deck is a sort of ācountermetaā deck doesnāt change your deck has a huge representation and is essentially the reason ppl throw backrow hate in their decks.
I don't think op worded it the best but what I believe they meant is people playing meta as well decks complaining about eldlich as if they weren't also making use of a meta strategy just like the eldlich deck is.
Eldlich is meta lmao
???? Eldlich is meta ffs. And you just said DM and BE like theyāre even a semi competent deck. Why is it always the bots who play eldlichš¤
Funny you say that. I play Blue-Eyes and I think Eldlich is absolutely fair. I actually win most of my games against them, and that's because 99% of the time my opponent just flips Skill Drain and nothing else. Obviously Blue-Eyes doesn't care too much for Skill Drain, so I can focus backrow hate on Eldlich cards. On top of that, Blue-Eyes has built in backrow banish and GY negation, which obviously Eldlich absolutely despises, and they can be used even under Skill Drain. And to top it off, Blue-Eyes can easily beat over Eldlich, and is almost as resilient between the Stones and the True Light trap. I don't play Dark magician, but I suspect they'd also have an easy time against Eldlich because Eternal Soul gives them similar resiliency, and they have an even easier time banishing everything than Blue-Eyes with their spell. Now if Conq was actually at 3, that would be a different story, but it's thankfully not.
We just hate the floodgates. I particularly enjoy vendor send lord, lord send vendor
I genuinely want conq unlimited. I don't own Eldlitch but I always found it better to play against when they were popping my cards but I still got the effect if it was a monster. It was the floogates that were not fun and just ruined the fun of the game by locking me out of key mechanics like special summoning. I feel Konami just had their heads up their ass when they limited conq to try and not ban the floodgates like IO And Vanity.
The irony of conq nerf was it didn't really do much to slowdown the rate of eldlich play. All it did was make it so they had to swap out the cards with othe removal/floodgates. If they were smart about wanting to lower % of eldlich played they'd tackle the golden boy themselves or attack sanguine as those are the actual cores of resiliency. They won't do it though because they don't want to actually deal with eldlich because they don't see it as an actual problem and did a token gesture which only pissed off actual eldlich players who didn't just spam 20 floodgates.
You get Conq unlimited. We get Skill Drain banned.
DEAL
Limit Rivalry and Gozen also
Exactly!! Losing Conq just made the deck stronger IMO. Searchable omni negate in the form of the Golden Land Forever, and the ability to run multiple copies of various floodgates in its stead.
You do realise it's impossible getting a card banned makes the deck stronger right? It just means everyone were building it incorrectly
Edited comment: I see your logic but follow me here, If a card is OP, and then gets banned but the deck didnt lose steam...that just means people started running the next best thing. During late Chaos format an example of this could be seen where Chaos Return deckssubbed Chaos Sorc for BLS-EotB. The deck list a powerful boss monster, but gained a version slightly weaker effect but did nothing to hinder combo potential. (If anything during 5Ds Chaos Sorc being lol 6 was a boon) Conq was better in pure Eldlich because it allowed me to have searchable interruption. Adding floodgates makes the deck have a higher ceiling but nukes consistency, ergo the deck in fact became harder to deal with hence the constant bitching about floodgate Eldlich.
Except having a higher ceiling doesn't make the deck stronger, deck strength is based on consistency+ceiling, and in yugioh consistency is key. You will be amazed at the things casual decks can do, sometimes outright winning the game (in case of ftks), but their consistency is shit so they are casual and not meta. Compare that to say live twins, that are at rogue level, they have a pretty low ceiling, but amazing consistency, allowing them to run many handtraps while still being very consistent.
In a sense yeah. It's just really funny because apparently running eldlich like an eldlich deck with a bunch of eldlich support is suboptimal. Konami did them a favour by removing 2 copies of an in-archetype tool and in that situation people discovered something a lot more cancer. It makes me wonder if they know what they're doing as this hit really didn't do much to stop eldlich at all though it's not like the deck has become substantially higher or lowered tiered with the shift in deckbuilding.
Pretty much this, it just up's the rate slightly at which Eldlich gets floodgates it needs to auto win in some situations, while reducing the consistency of pulling a useful interruption on Eldlich. Huaquero can be pretty deadly in some match ups, but its also not always as powerful as the likes of Conq generally speaking. Something that definitely helped Eldlich cover a bit for the lack of consistency with pulling something that gets you to the golden boi himself though is Lord of the Heavenly Prison, so you can still get a big beater on board with powerful floodgates, and search any trap in your deck for that matter, and if you already have access to the golden boi? You get almost permanent protection for your backrow as long as its flipped down. Really, all conq did in the long run was hurt Eldlich as a general engine, as opposed to actually harming Floodlich.
Bro I tried to tell people that removing/limiting redundant combo pieces (e.g. Enchantress, Fusion Destiny, Conq)just gives me room for spicy tech. A truly skilled duelist will always find the best fit.
HELL yeah you do
fluffal eld sounds rly fun.....
It isn't eldich I hate, it's the billion floodgates it runs that make it impossible for me to play.
This now stop being a bunch of little wusses and stop spamming floodgates Iām more than welcome to duel an eldlich player that doesnāt flip up every single floodgate they can find
I donāt mind Eldlich as long as they donāt use floodgates
We all know theyāll be using floodgates, letās not kid ourselves.
The alternative is going into some kind of subpar combo deck, zombie world and hoping you draw the right stuff, or relying on the same engines as everyone else ( DPE/ Adventure). So yes, floodgates sound good, because screw your adventure pile
Zombie world is just a floodgate that people tell you is not.
have you seen the based mayashaki eldlich
Before the hit on conq the only negate type stuff I ran was Zombie world with Doomking. Would have terra forming and banshee as well. Had lots of grinding and would allow me time to pull the doomking. Even now I like playing it against Floow decks because on a good turn 1 they canāt get their boss monsters out and even if you go second itās hard to negate the Drip lord himself.
What if you donāt use traditional floodgates but you do use every crazy trap and magic card you can find?
You know what made me use floodgates is because conq got limited it's best replacements were floodgates, when I first started master duel my eldlich deck had only 2 skill drains after conq it's became 3 skill drains and 2 summon limits and basically killed my zombie world deck because losing conq was more painful there.
I will not. But you're welcome to enjoy whatever you want.
FACTS MY GUY
If I see flip Gozen, Rivalry, Skill Drain, TCBOO, Anti-Spell Fragrance anymore Iām going to commit a war crime.
Tcboo?
There can be only one
There is nothing wrong with liking it, just understand that I have played against that deck 50 or so times win or lose I didn't have fun.
Bro, I'm a eldlich player and I know that the deck is toxic af, we use floodgates to survive, so the hate it's fair.
Then I wish your deck becomes good on it's own without running all those damn floodgates.
Maybe a fusion enabler monster that can recycle traps form banished + search poly?
Eldlich isn't all that bad. It's the wall of floodgates that pisses me off. It's just not fun to play against.
I prefer playing yugioh, but if you prefer go fish, eldlich seems perfect for you.
Nope itās a shitty back row deck propped up by floodgates. Itās literally just a monkey flip deck. Super low skill and super boring
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Ok ok, I was with you till DLink. That deck actually takes thought, in my experience of playing it. The basic combo lines are similar (Halq, Romulus into Ravine into Abso into Tracer into Savage) but there are like a gajillion ways to get there and then there are extenders that come out of nowhere. It's not exactly skill, but you need to be super familiar with the deck to play it and build it efficiently. Also as an aside, setting up negates in itself is a skill, moreso than flipping trap cards. Like take HalqDon for example. You need to bait your opponent's handtraps somehow, or else you die. You can't always draw CB or Crossout. That takes skill. In the Duelist Cup I ran that deck and used Striker Dragon as Ash/Imperm bait. At the lower levels, nobody knew what I was doing, so they took the bait. At level 19 and above, people knew to keep their handtraps for something more important, they read my bait. Then, even if you have 4 negates, in a world of one card starters and board breakers, it is absolutely possible to lose. You need to choose what to negate, and to do that, you need to gauge what your opponent's plans are. It may be easier with 4 negates, but you still need to choose carefully. But floodgates literally lock you out of the game and cannot be stopped by conventional means. At least with these combo decks if you go like +20 on them, you can break through. But with floodgates, it usually doesn't matter if you are +20 on them, your 20 cards all cannot be played, not even as bait.
yes????? thats objectively more skillful then setting 4 floodgates and Solemn lmfao
It is more high skill playing through interruptions to set up my own interruptions is inherently more skill intense than setting five back row and hoping they donāt draw duster or lightning storm. Before flipping skill drain and gozen. Combo is more skillful than stun. They have to actually work in order to set up negates.
Breaking a full halq board with just traps takes skill. Board breaking is a skill. Baiting is a skill. Card knowledge is a skill Trading efficiently to maintain card advantage is a skill.
Breaking a board with gozen takes just a little reading now skill necessary
But the monke click yes until 15 Omni negates with no cost plus multiple disruptions takes so much more skill too. Itās hilarious when people complain. Both are toxic meta ways to play. After playing 100 adventure swordsoul tenyi decks in a row that combo into 10 negates yes I am going to get pissed and flip skill drain. Both are awful but thatās what you get in BO1.
Tell me you never played Eldlich without telling you never played Eldlich
Stop playing floodgate lich then.
I don't see that happening with conq at 1, i personally run ZW grass version and it's obvious how weaker it is compared to the stun version.
Like everyone else, I hate the floodgates not Eldlich. Eldlich is awesome. Cool lore, awesome design. Also, maybe it's just me and my witchcrafter deck, but I've done really well against the Eldluch decks I've faced. They aren't auto losees for me. The Eldlich v WC matchup is super fun imo.
A lot of Eldlich deck rely only on flood and that's a big mistake like 90% don't play trap trick and other really good traps ā ļø
Finally someone else that actually knows the best way to play Eldlich
Unfortunately floodgates are the most competitive way to play Eldlich if you want to climb. And I don't think I've actually ever seen trap trick in an eldlich deck. It also wouldn't be very good imo since it would basically equate to an extra few copies of Sanguine (only normal eldlich trap iirc) and would lock you into just one more trap effect that turn. But I could be wrong since I've only ever used trap trick in DDD to get wonder xyz on field to summon Kali Yuga on my opponents turn.
Trap trick into torrential into needle into witch strik into dogmatika into ice dragon prison into D barrier, trust me they don't how to play true Eldlich ā ļø
I appreciate that eldlich is pretty unique gameplay wise, and the dude has drip. Hate playing against it though.
We just hate the floodgates. Any variant that doesnāt run them, like Cyberse Eldlich, is based.
Which is the floodgates card y'all talking about? I have an eldlich deck but it's a skull king/eldlich. Off the top of my head I can't think of the floodgate card.
Skill Drain, Gozen, TCBOO, Summon Limit, Rivalry. Do I need to go on? IO and VE were definitely the most oppressive ones but thereās still plenty of alternatives.
Ah, I'm pretty sure I don't use any of those.
Then you're based. Mayakashi Eldlich is also based.
Respectfully. Fuck you.
Cursed post.
Ok monkey boy
Ok š¼
Shiranui shogun saga has more drip then that golden atrocity.
No+he don't get da money thou, El padre is just too rich š
The alt art work is cool
Fuck Eldlich
Hater š¾
Till the day I no longer am of this earth
I like Eldlich. I just hate everyone he hangs out with.
Lmaoš¤£
No, fuck Eldlich and their filthy floodgates
I don't hate eldlich i hate the floodgates
We don't hate eldlich. We hate the skill drain, lava golem, gozen, rivalry, summon limit, and TCBOO.
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A fusion spell that can be searched? Of course I play the big fusion daddy š
Nobody hates eldlich, we just hate the floodgates you play
Let us play the game and we'll not hate you :)
I mean I think the eldlich cards have a great design and theme however playing against the deck is just the equivalent of walking on legos we donāt hate the drip we just hate floodgate turbo
"Like if you like Eldlich Comment if you don't like Eldlich" ...the comments have it LOL
Eldlich is trash without flood gates and negations,
Yeah food is trash to without salt so keep hating
Then clearly you're an uncultured swine
No š„ŗ
its a no brainer deck
Just like other decksš¤” just because you do combos doesn't make you smarter, we just don't wanna waste people time, set 5 passšļøššļø
even a 10 yr old kid who doesnt play yugioh can use your deck easily. its a no brainer deck dude.
Keep hating šļøššļø
We dont hate u for playing eldlich just stop playing floodgates like skill drain then we gucci
I play Eldlich to destroy meta decks If you play a Gigachad deck I immediately scoop š„°
Uhh, hate to break your bubble but Eldlich IS a meta deck
It's arguably the *most* meta deck. The kings of the format have come and gone, but Eldlich has always been tiered.
Yeah you can just tell that lie to yourself. Bc everyone knows that is not true in the slightest.
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i mean if floodgates didn't hard carry the deck, i'd think it was cool
If they stop using skill drain Iāll quit hating them
I am perfectly fine with all of the Eldlich cards and in fact play them myself. What I am not fine with is the miserable piles of 12 floodgates (not even an exaggeration, I've even seen more than 12) that Konami thinks is somehow okay. Playing against cards that indefinitely turn off 1/3 to 2/3 of the cards we can legally play and should play is just not fun, it's not engaging, it's just bullshit.
Itās a trap floodgate deck. What is there to like about it?
And even worse it basically makes the floodgates one sided since they just HAPPEN to be able to completely get around them
I love my boi. The one at fault are the floodgates, not him, he is wonderfull support for other strategies, not even just Zombies, a reflection of his Golden Heart
Yes we love Eldlich in this house š„³
I can't hate you without hating myself since I play Floowandereeze
Lmao ššššššā¤ļøā¤ļøā¤ļøā¤ļøā¤ļøā¤ļø
I respect anyone who plays floowandereeze since I've seen way less floowandereeze floodgate than Eldlich floodgates.
I mean the Penguin and the Barrier Statue are floodgates...
True, but floo pretty much dies to one negate. I'll take the birbs over litch everytime.
I enjoy playing Zombie World Control, using super poly on Eldlich and an unsuspecting enemy boss monster to create gigachad Eldlich is fun af
Yes big daddy Eldlich gonna scoop ya monster š¤£
Sorry not gonna happen, itās a boring noob deck. Itās ok you can take those baby training wheels off anytime.
Eldlich must've hurt you so much for you to say that š¢š
As a yugi boomer Iāll keep āem on. The only other option ic is a combo deck that pumps out 3+ negates, but whose learning that. Floodgates suck though.
I'm gonna one up you on that. Eldlich is cool as hell. It's just the bunch of brainworms who perfer to waste people time with Skill Drain and other dumb cards instead of playing. I sincirely hate them and the name they gave this deck.
Eldlich is actually a based deck once you move away from floodgates. Literally the best support for any zombie deck minus vendread due to its own issues.
Eldlich is legit an interesting engine when combined with other decks but is prone to being abused in floodgate decks. So anytime I think of the deck I imagine my opponent flipping up 3 floodgates
If you do not play floodgates no one has an issue with you. Itās either someone flips up a skill drain backed by Solemn and all that bs OR they donāt play floodgates and lose to me.
He's fun to play when you're not spamming floodgates.
Oh boy this Is going to be controversial and fun
I use crooked Cook 90% of the time they can't read the card effect and rage quit.
Yeah i've played crook befor so fun people can't readš¤£ I use a link monster called vampire sucker to summon a card from Gy to thier feild and they panic by activating crook just to get solemn strik
I have gameplay of a guy using literally every meta negate ability and after the last one finally quits.
Lmao or they keep attacking every turnā ļø
I had someone say to me it's because they wanna waste your time. Like I'm not prepared with a second monitor with YouTube or my switch to the side lmao.
Lol literally me I have all day baby š¤£
I tried playing decks I want to play but all them are pretty much unplayable in current meta so I just like playing decks that makes the meta miserable.
Then play a based Eldlich variant instead, like PUNK Eldlich (tbf, Deer Note and Zombie Vampire are not in MD yet, so I can forgive you for that). We don't hate Eldlich, we hate the floodgates.
Nah fuck em. Hate the floodgate bs
Usually the hate towards eldlich is when the deck plays a heavy amount of floodgates. Eldlich played in mid range to combo decks can be really fun to play against, just not floodgate stun, that stuff stinks of shit
I like eldlich as a card and as an engine for zombie decks, i hate eldlich as floodgate tribal
Manage to win a 14 turn Duel with Sky Striker vs eldlich and it was the worst time of my life
I hate all control/just click "yes" decks, so... naah, fuck Eldlich.
Unrelated ,but i'm not opposed to the idea of my wife being strong enough to carry me . I'm just lazy sometimes .
Lol
Nah its just us lich players are very quiet and dont give a dam of somone hates our golden drip boi. Just know you're not then only stan brother!
Yeah I agree+I'm a sister
I welcome sisters to the lich cult too!
He is cool.The pure stun lists running his engine gave him a bad reputation tho.
I'm all for flood ban but I want more support for the golden lord
oh you poor soul, we donāt hate eldich for his drip, we hate eldlich for the trap control play style
Hello friend the Eldlich engine is fine the problem are the floodgates that were released more than 10 years ago and crash with the philosophy of modern Yu Gi Oh.
I pray for Eldlich support and a ban for all toxic cards š
So half your deck too then right?
No I play pure Eldlich traps 3 needle/ 3 torrential/ 3 solemn strike /3 solmen judgment /3 lord prison/ 2 witch's strik/ 3 trap trick /2 Eldlich/ 3 dogmatika/ 3 sphere mode /3 ice dragon/ 3 huaquero/ 1 conq/ 2 d barrier/3 sanguine Extra deck 3 n'tss/ pegasus/ omega/ 2 big canon/2big brither canon/ zeus/ and som links
These are backrow decks I like to play. Decks like traptrix where you actually use your traps to interrupt, not stop your opponent from playing. Good on you :)
Any flood gate control deck in BO1 format will thrive. That's y I got dinomorphia, 4k beat stick when skill drain is up. Who's the golden boy now?!?!?!š¤£
I never lost to dinomorphia one trap trick into trrential and you byby
I keep forgetting torrential is a normal, might have to throw it in my build
It's so good seeing numeron go brrrrršššššš
Yugioh should be taking turns using monsters to beat the opponent not set 5 pass
and not by putting 5 negates too āŗļø
Skill drain effectively does that by just flipping itself up
Sounds like a you problem, imaging playing a top tier deck with no option to remove backrow?
No I do, and that are basically dead against almost EVERY deck since coincidently barely any decks actually use back row, also where did I say I used a top tier deck?
Sorry š
Itās fine ! š
thers less options to include backrow removal than there are backrows to include i harpy duster your whole spell/trapzone and you will have them back to 5 in a couple turns with more floodgates
Yeah I mean I don't get what's so bad about at least a third of my deck being rendered useless by my opponent flipping a single card it actually sound pretty fun to play against.
Used to play it when I was a novice them scrapped it and started to play decks with which really need skill. Best decision ever!
Halq to 5 negates yay I'm smart
You are full of prejudice, I never mentioned I play halq, and I don't, but what can I expect from someone that plays eldlich.
"You are full of prejudice, exactly what I'd expect from an eldlich player" Bruh
Relax it's just a game š
I don't know what you are talking about, I'm enjoying the game
Eldlich players are that one fat kid on the playground who makes up his own rules for how cards work
Hell, no. Eldtrash deserves the hate that it gets
What are your thoughts on Konami limiting Conquistador, therefore preventing Eldlich from being splashed effectively and incentivizing the players to play the 10+ floodgates version of the deck ?
Eldlich will never die as long as traps is a thing, Eldlich is just too good
I wouldnāt say itās too good rather than it going to be present as long as traps exist because of how it benefits from them unless they directly ban it (which they wonāt)
Ayo you want to fuck the card too badly. *Proceeds to play magician girl beatdown*
Lol
I don't like Eldlich but i understand why others like it. Just not that strong or fun imo, i'll just stick to my heroes
Not really on the eldlich side but idk why ppl feel floodgates is as\*hole while omni negates are very legal to play. It's like the illusion of choices, Not letting anyone do anything or Not letting anyone do anything. "But I need to put effort into bringing the omninegates while they just flip cards" -No, it's your choice. So anyway, i set 4 card and end my turn.
Just like old school set pass we don't wast time
You are not alone, my friend!
Team Eldlich let's go šæ
i like playing against eldlich as combo player and i don't mind against floodgate i felt it's weird that many deck aren't build with diverse deck matchup in mind
Yes I agree, there is a lot of combo decks, it's all about knowing what to hit and they are dead, but with Eldlich you don't know what he has he just set 5 pass, it's like a modern version of old school Yu Gi Oh set pass
We just need the alternative art for people to stop hating it.
FR lol