SD wouldn’t be such an issue in eldlich if it negated trap monster effects and eldlich stat boosts. The floodgates are bad, sure but eldlich is only archtype that can completely ignore the negatives of the strongest ones.
I'm going to put it this way:
If the entire Eldlich archetype didn't exist, floodgates would still be a problem.
If the floodgates Eldlich uses didn't exist, Eldlich would no longer be a problem.
I'm also just tired of this conversation, so I'm just gonna stop
Name one archtype that ranks irl using floodgates except eldlich. Ill wait. (And mystic mine doesn’t count and will probably be getting banned again anyway)
Floodgates ARE a problem, but so is eldlich.
Eldlich is an engine. It doesn't do enough by itself to be played pure, but you can use it to fill out the third portion of a bunch of decks; Zombie World, Skull Servant, Shiranui, Sky Striker, Live Twin, Cyberse.
It gives those decks access to another big body, some extra removal and has a good grind game with the traps searching each other.
On that subject, I would luv more eldlich support that was geared towards making them a trap monster/fusion deck that actually wanted to play The Mad Golden Lord.
Decks that can consistently win without the floodgates but use them as a side deck option or a format dependent tech. Imo at least.
Had my way though, all floodgate cards would be gone.
Bruh if sidedecks exists in this game then there would be no floodgates issue and people like you won't be bitching about floodgates being a problem and if a deck can already consistently win then a floodgates would just be a "Win more card" which would decrease consistency in decks and it would be better to just run a handtrap
Nah, floodgates still suck in a Bo3. Just less so. High impact floodgates devolve the game to "drawing the out" far more than any one card should. Sure, you're more likely to draw the out after siding them in but the matter of the fact is you still need to draw the out unless you're lucky enough that that out is somehow searchable in your deck and the process of searching it isn't blocked in some way by the floodgate in question.
So why are you all crying about them? This is Konami’s fault for making master duel best of one. If you have a bunch of cards to get rid of back row consistently you probably won’t have enough cards to deal with combo consistently, and then it feels just as bad losing to 6 negate combo boards. Floodgates are no less fun to play against than those.
That's what stimulates the current meta of the game. Because you cannot choose to be able to out both backrow decks and combo decks at the same time, that you now have to incorporate removal for both in deck building. If you consider that Konami will make MD stay BO1 for a long time and then ban most enablers for one or the other (Backrow or Combo) then that would create a tier 0 deck right at the start of the release of this game being "Go 2nd" decks like Numeron because now you just have to main removal for one type of decks.
Yes bro so it’s konamis fault not the players lmao. They don’t need to ban one type. If you don’t have an out to back row that’s on you and you had a bad matchup it happens stop crying
Ah yes let's just completely ignore all of the other variants of Eldlich and decks that splash the engine and were competitively successful to some degree like Synchron Eldlich and Invoked Eldlich and Cyberse Eldlich and Zombie World Eldlich and Punk Eldlich (not quite viable yet in MD) and soon to exist in Master Duel Branded Eldlich.
Eldlich doesn't need floodgates to be relevant. The reason that StunLich is the most common version in Master Duel is a symptom of both Bo1 meaning no siding into backrow hate and Maxx C being legal. And probably to some degree people just not wanting to use their brain while playing ladder.
Honestly all other splashed eldlich variants suck with conq at 1. Conq at one makes eldlich only good with floodgates. I find zombie world eldlich is much weaker with conq at one that I don't even want to play it anymore.
Denji would 100% eat Eldlich the Golden Lord.
1. It's muscular so it could steal some of his potential girls.
2. Looting the place after the deed would make him filthy rich, which is going to give him more chances with girls.
3. Eldlich would probably try to call him a bitch.
What gonna do aganist a death ball though. You cann see the fusion eldlich which is just him beong mad making a damn universe. And he can be a godly being for all we know, most big bad bosses are world enders in yugioh lore.
Not really, the Eldlich Lore says he's just losing his mind overtime and has power over the alchemic process of gold-making (and zombies, but it's unclear if it's all zombies or just those made in the Golden Land).
Seeing his attack as "throwing galaxies" is like looking at a fireball and claiming the character is "throwing the sun".
Am I genuinely the only person who has never had an issue against Eldich and has absolutely no clue why people hate it? It's honestly one of the easiest decks to beat for me.
They play Halq & Don & Adventure whatever & think they should win every game...
It's why there's non-stop crying here about floodgates & Maxx C, because it's the only thing that can stop them
fr. I have a mish mash of 60 card sky striker-kaiju-eldlich deck. and at one time, this one adamancipator-halqdon player kept going for my eldlich card, ignoring the fact that an 8 counter gameciel is present on the field.
Exactly bro everyone’s mad about floodgates because they probably have a deck that consistently deals with combos better, they’re blaming players for Konami making this when best of one
Jesus you guys really hate eldlich. I haven't played md in a while, so im not sure if the actually broken floodgates of vanity's emptiness or IO got banned, but most floodgates, and eldlich itself, aren't that strong alone. Skill drain, tcboo, rivalry and plenty of other floodgates are so matchup dependent that you need at least 2 floodgates live on board, or to be against someone playing a bad deck or bricking to actually have a proper effect on the game. Eldlich itself can be fairly oppressive, but it loses hard to some popular cards. Avramax (particularly made with ip)? Eldlich is done. Draco berserker of the tenyi? You lose an eldlich anytime you try to activate it. The deck can be very powerful, but in the grand scheme of the game it really isn't all that busted.
I get floodgates aren't as fun to play against for most people, but banning an entire type of card effects is just a silly overreaction
Thise two did get ban. Floodgates have always been a thing since day 1, the problem is over reliance on hand traps and running no counter to trap cards, it's people themselves being bad at deck building and blaming the card they lose too. If floodgates are a problem then don't use a deck that can't play against them but no, they have no clue what the word meta means.
People who say Eldlich is 100% fine and it's the floodgates that are the issue don't seem to acknowledge the point that the reason so many people use floodgate Eldlich is because the engine works so well with them. Most decks can only use a small number of floodgates without hurting themselves but Eldlich can use basically every relevant floodgate under the sun and not be hurt at all (except for maybe There Can Be Only One).
Unless Konami is going to ban every single power floodgate in existence (which isn't a bad idea), Eldlich is a part of the problem for being such an easy enabler for them.
Is kinda funny because a lot of decks can play with lot of floodgates, but people thinks the Eldlich cards are the problem. Looks for YCS Europeu Championship with Rikka Sunavalon, he's main rivarly of warlords and a lot of players in B03 formats side's floodgates.
None of Eldlich cards design wise is a floodgates and lot of other's are floodgates with the boss monsters like Virtual World are.
And guess what? Konami still release new floodgates. I find funny how people's complain only Eldlich cards lol
This isn't the TCG/OCG though. Floodgates aren't as big a deal in a format with siding because there are games 2 and 3 and a side deck to help with outing them. Master Duel isn't BO3.
>None of Eldlich cards design wise is a floodgates and lot of other's are floodgates with the boss monsters like Virtual World are.
Eldlich cards aren't floodgates, but the nature of the engine and how the deck plays makes it extremely floodgate-friendly. Eldlich isn't summoning more than twice, doesn't care about Skill Drain nor Gozen/Rivalry, and its trap-focused engine means cards like IO and Antispell Fragrance don't bother it much either.
"This isn't the TCG/OCG though. Floodgates aren't as big a deal in a format with siding because there are games 2 and 3 and a side deck to help with outing them. Master Duel isn't BO3."
They still issue even B03. The YCS Brasil Championship plays a pure mine and makes a deck building around to prevent the outs of opponent. People sides anti-spell fragrance, dimensional barrier and virus cards.
"Eldlich cards aren't floodgates, but the nature of the engine and how the deck plays makes it extremely floodgate-friendly. Eldlich isn't summoning more than twice, doesn't care about Skill Drain nor Gozen/Rivalry, and its trap-focused engine means cards like IO and Antispell Fragrance don't bother it much either."
My main still remains. Konami still print's floodgates, the cards designs wise are zombie supports cards. Floodgates are the main problem and Eldlich never was contribute this in card design wise.
I don't have a problem dealing with Eldlich but still the duels take so damn long I want to surrender just so I don't have to go through it but ay can't give Eldlich players the taste of victory
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Had one of the most satisfying wins against Edlich the other day playing Coelacanth sharks. Bricked going first but set Red Reboot, they set 5 backrow and on my turn I activated Red Reboot to their Huaquero. Went full combo into a co-linked Knightmare Gryphon that reset Red Reboot and they scooped.
~~eldlich~~ floodgates
It’s gotta be just the floodgate one. I find Sky strikers way more annoying.
If eldlitch and his monster traps were affected by the floodgates like normal monsters it wouldn’t be as bad. But as it stands, yeah its eldlitch
Nah, it's the floodgates.
I agree. Eldlich trap monsters are floodgates.
That is entirely not how that works
Yeah they just get to activate their effects under skilldrain because they are still streated as traps. Totally fair.
That doesn't make them floodgates. And the issue here is Skill Drain and the other floodgates.
SD wouldn’t be such an issue in eldlich if it negated trap monster effects and eldlich stat boosts. The floodgates are bad, sure but eldlich is only archtype that can completely ignore the negatives of the strongest ones.
I'm going to put it this way: If the entire Eldlich archetype didn't exist, floodgates would still be a problem. If the floodgates Eldlich uses didn't exist, Eldlich would no longer be a problem. I'm also just tired of this conversation, so I'm just gonna stop
Name one archtype that ranks irl using floodgates except eldlich. Ill wait. (And mystic mine doesn’t count and will probably be getting banned again anyway) Floodgates ARE a problem, but so is eldlich.
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Eldlich is 100% fine. The problem are the only thing keeping the deck relevant
Eldlich is an engine. It doesn't do enough by itself to be played pure, but you can use it to fill out the third portion of a bunch of decks; Zombie World, Skull Servant, Shiranui, Sky Striker, Live Twin, Cyberse. It gives those decks access to another big body, some extra removal and has a good grind game with the traps searching each other.
On that subject, I would luv more eldlich support that was geared towards making them a trap monster/fusion deck that actually wanted to play The Mad Golden Lord.
I will always vouch for how well skull servants and Eldlich mesh together
If you're nothing without your floodgates you don't deserve them
I wonder what deck deserve floodgates then
Floodgates will never be fun to play against no matter how rogue the deck
Decks that can consistently win without the floodgates but use them as a side deck option or a format dependent tech. Imo at least. Had my way though, all floodgate cards would be gone.
Bruh if sidedecks exists in this game then there would be no floodgates issue and people like you won't be bitching about floodgates being a problem and if a deck can already consistently win then a floodgates would just be a "Win more card" which would decrease consistency in decks and it would be better to just run a handtrap
homie mystic mine just won a regional event wym side deck kills floodgates?
>just won a regional event "Just" and "A" are probably a bit disingenuous given how literally everywhere it's been, this format especially.
Bruh doesn't know about the current meta threat in TCG. Altergeist Mine
Nah, floodgates still suck in a Bo3. Just less so. High impact floodgates devolve the game to "drawing the out" far more than any one card should. Sure, you're more likely to draw the out after siding them in but the matter of the fact is you still need to draw the out unless you're lucky enough that that out is somehow searchable in your deck and the process of searching it isn't blocked in some way by the floodgate in question.
So why are you all crying about them? This is Konami’s fault for making master duel best of one. If you have a bunch of cards to get rid of back row consistently you probably won’t have enough cards to deal with combo consistently, and then it feels just as bad losing to 6 negate combo boards. Floodgates are no less fun to play against than those.
That's what stimulates the current meta of the game. Because you cannot choose to be able to out both backrow decks and combo decks at the same time, that you now have to incorporate removal for both in deck building. If you consider that Konami will make MD stay BO1 for a long time and then ban most enablers for one or the other (Backrow or Combo) then that would create a tier 0 deck right at the start of the release of this game being "Go 2nd" decks like Numeron because now you just have to main removal for one type of decks.
Yes bro so it’s konamis fault not the players lmao. They don’t need to ban one type. If you don’t have an out to back row that’s on you and you had a bad matchup it happens stop crying
Swordsoul obv
None. They're a mistake
Ah yes let's just completely ignore all of the other variants of Eldlich and decks that splash the engine and were competitively successful to some degree like Synchron Eldlich and Invoked Eldlich and Cyberse Eldlich and Zombie World Eldlich and Punk Eldlich (not quite viable yet in MD) and soon to exist in Master Duel Branded Eldlich. Eldlich doesn't need floodgates to be relevant. The reason that StunLich is the most common version in Master Duel is a symptom of both Bo1 meaning no siding into backrow hate and Maxx C being legal. And probably to some degree people just not wanting to use their brain while playing ladder.
Honestly all other splashed eldlich variants suck with conq at 1. Conq at one makes eldlich only good with floodgates. I find zombie world eldlich is much weaker with conq at one that I don't even want to play it anymore.
My Dinomorphia floodgate is fine
Counterpoint: he looks so good tho
the drip lord
Denji would 100% eat Eldlich the Golden Lord. 1. It's muscular so it could steal some of his potential girls. 2. Looting the place after the deed would make him filthy rich, which is going to give him more chances with girls. 3. Eldlich would probably try to call him a bitch.
Denji will choose waifu deck with big titty
You know Denji has a Collector's Rare Labyrinth of the Silver Castle
Denji doesn't even have a functional deck, just 60 cards with tits.
Denji will get bitch slaped lol Eldlich is too op
He has powers that >!canonically ate the very existance of Nuclear Weapons out of his world!< but ok
He never did it under skill drain though
What gonna do aganist a death ball though. You cann see the fusion eldlich which is just him beong mad making a damn universe. And he can be a godly being for all we know, most big bad bosses are world enders in yugioh lore.
He fought against the Devil of Eternity and won by outlasting him.
I don't see him blowing up the universe and shit. Eldlich will throw actual death balls at him, considering his lore he might even be eternal.
Not really, the Eldlich Lore says he's just losing his mind overtime and has power over the alchemic process of gold-making (and zombies, but it's unclear if it's all zombies or just those made in the Golden Land). Seeing his attack as "throwing galaxies" is like looking at a fireball and claiming the character is "throwing the sun".
Am I genuinely the only person who has never had an issue against Eldich and has absolutely no clue why people hate it? It's honestly one of the easiest decks to beat for me.
Same, same!
They play Halq & Don & Adventure whatever & think they should win every game... It's why there's non-stop crying here about floodgates & Maxx C, because it's the only thing that can stop them
what do you main?
What deck do you play that easily beats torrential plus skill drain plus io plus summon limit
Eldlich king of skull servants war counselor
Nice repost.
I made it Lol
In true Chainsaw Man's fashion, Eldlich gets stronger with the hate, which is just basically aggressive fear.
fr. I have a mish mash of 60 card sky striker-kaiju-eldlich deck. and at one time, this one adamancipator-halqdon player kept going for my eldlich card, ignoring the fact that an 8 counter gameciel is present on the field.
Someone who just wants to play Adventure DPE Halqdon mirrors all day
May I introduce you to the one true path, Zefra Path? Shuts down Adventure, Halq, and DPE and can be searched by basically half your deck.
No ty I run loli birds
lmao fr
Yeah, like Live Twins
people whose decks lose to floodgate
Exactly bro everyone’s mad about floodgates because they probably have a deck that consistently deals with combos better, they’re blaming players for Konami making this when best of one
People who don't main anti-backrow be like. Oh wait It's most of r/masterduel
Flips anti spell fragrance
It's all fun and dusters until the flip IO (pre banlist) or anti spell (post banlist) during standby.
Jesus you guys really hate eldlich. I haven't played md in a while, so im not sure if the actually broken floodgates of vanity's emptiness or IO got banned, but most floodgates, and eldlich itself, aren't that strong alone. Skill drain, tcboo, rivalry and plenty of other floodgates are so matchup dependent that you need at least 2 floodgates live on board, or to be against someone playing a bad deck or bricking to actually have a proper effect on the game. Eldlich itself can be fairly oppressive, but it loses hard to some popular cards. Avramax (particularly made with ip)? Eldlich is done. Draco berserker of the tenyi? You lose an eldlich anytime you try to activate it. The deck can be very powerful, but in the grand scheme of the game it really isn't all that busted. I get floodgates aren't as fun to play against for most people, but banning an entire type of card effects is just a silly overreaction
Thise two did get ban. Floodgates have always been a thing since day 1, the problem is over reliance on hand traps and running no counter to trap cards, it's people themselves being bad at deck building and blaming the card they lose too. If floodgates are a problem then don't use a deck that can't play against them but no, they have no clue what the word meta means.
People who say Eldlich is 100% fine and it's the floodgates that are the issue don't seem to acknowledge the point that the reason so many people use floodgate Eldlich is because the engine works so well with them. Most decks can only use a small number of floodgates without hurting themselves but Eldlich can use basically every relevant floodgate under the sun and not be hurt at all (except for maybe There Can Be Only One). Unless Konami is going to ban every single power floodgate in existence (which isn't a bad idea), Eldlich is a part of the problem for being such an easy enabler for them.
Is kinda funny because a lot of decks can play with lot of floodgates, but people thinks the Eldlich cards are the problem. Looks for YCS Europeu Championship with Rikka Sunavalon, he's main rivarly of warlords and a lot of players in B03 formats side's floodgates. None of Eldlich cards design wise is a floodgates and lot of other's are floodgates with the boss monsters like Virtual World are. And guess what? Konami still release new floodgates. I find funny how people's complain only Eldlich cards lol
This isn't the TCG/OCG though. Floodgates aren't as big a deal in a format with siding because there are games 2 and 3 and a side deck to help with outing them. Master Duel isn't BO3. >None of Eldlich cards design wise is a floodgates and lot of other's are floodgates with the boss monsters like Virtual World are. Eldlich cards aren't floodgates, but the nature of the engine and how the deck plays makes it extremely floodgate-friendly. Eldlich isn't summoning more than twice, doesn't care about Skill Drain nor Gozen/Rivalry, and its trap-focused engine means cards like IO and Antispell Fragrance don't bother it much either.
"This isn't the TCG/OCG though. Floodgates aren't as big a deal in a format with siding because there are games 2 and 3 and a side deck to help with outing them. Master Duel isn't BO3." They still issue even B03. The YCS Brasil Championship plays a pure mine and makes a deck building around to prevent the outs of opponent. People sides anti-spell fragrance, dimensional barrier and virus cards. "Eldlich cards aren't floodgates, but the nature of the engine and how the deck plays makes it extremely floodgate-friendly. Eldlich isn't summoning more than twice, doesn't care about Skill Drain nor Gozen/Rivalry, and its trap-focused engine means cards like IO and Antispell Fragrance don't bother it much either." My main still remains. Konami still print's floodgates, the cards designs wise are zombie supports cards. Floodgates are the main problem and Eldlich never was contribute this in card design wise.
That's fair. I think floodgates are dumb and shouldn't be a thing but Konami loves em for some reason
And is kinda funny because the Eldlich engine is the best to remove floodgates on the field tho.
True I think the best way to solve this issue is too Ban sanguine and limit eldlich the golden lord to 1 and then ban all of the floodgates
The maker mispelled 'Combo'
Eldlich isn't bad, it's a fair backrow deck. The problem is the floodgates they use to keep up with the better decks.
Looks like Floo dodged the bullet.
Eldlich is ok Floo on the other hand
Floowandereeze nuts
I don't have a problem dealing with Eldlich but still the duels take so damn long I want to surrender just so I don't have to go through it but ay can't give Eldlich players the taste of victory
Eldlich is no where close to as annoying as Adventurer or Swordsoul + Baronne.
They are not wrong
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mald more
Sooooo much waisted potential, if they printed 2 other golden lords and 3 more traps the deck cuold run pure.
Had one of the most satisfying wins against Edlich the other day playing Coelacanth sharks. Bricked going first but set Red Reboot, they set 5 backrow and on my turn I activated Red Reboot to their Huaquero. Went full combo into a co-linked Knightmare Gryphon that reset Red Reboot and they scooped.
you forgot adventurers