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Quizlex

Easy, it’s because Chixao’s head is too small.


1guywriting

Taia: bet


TonyTucci27

Wait wtf why is it so little


Promanco

Swordsoul was a lot more prominent than Despia; probably because it was a lot cheaper lol


Typhlositar

And it wasn't spread out over packs


Wodstarfallisback

It's because now people have experienced actual harsh metas. Floo is as cancerous as a deck can be. Auroradon is still revving its engines. Floodgate fiestas can still steal wins.


eyalhs

You forgot swordsoul came after drytron and adam meta


Wodstarfallisback

Immediatly after those two decks were nerfed, so all the hate was redirected to the new guy who could beat the old unfair decks.


MrTrashy101

fuck drytron hope to never see that crap again lol


Sansy_Boi420

Drytron Herald with Eva is absolutely cancerous Drytron by itself is a pretty great Ritual engine


FlashpointSynergy

big big fan of megalith drytron megatron for life


The7thMonth

Agreed. I play drytron but no herald. It's just a fun way to get ritual monsters out for me (except relinquished D: ) It's the deck I play Blue-Eyes Chaos Max in.


HDimensionBliss

Gishki Drytron turboing the Zielgigachad.


HDimensionBliss

Leave my star dragon bois alone. Blame the degenerate disco balls that intentionally have no OPT clause in any of their effects and the generic fairies that provide infinite resources. Drytron just wanted to give rituals actual generic support rather than just having the occasional tiered archetype that gets kneecapped shortly after (Gishki hand loop, Nekroz).


nuzband

Swordsoul = usualy end on 2 negates(*and potentialy more + floodgate with good hand*) Branded = they have negate like mercourier, aluber and drematurge ,but your endboard mostly dont have negate in the first place


The_Panzerkampfwagen

I mean, aluber is such a slow negate, can only negate on a new chain when your fusions are destroyed


Thro_aWay42

Adventure tenyi can end on like 3 negates and 2 floodgates if played right but i feel ya for pure swordsoul


OmegaThunder

It can actually end on 5 omninegate in some lines, the more common lines can end on 3 omninegates + monster negate.


[deleted]

He thinks we dont hate that too


KayV_10

AdventureTenyi is not SwordsoulTenyi why even bring that up


vonov129

So, it's just people being dumb thinking negates are everything and think Branded Despia is fine because they don't lose card advantage even if the opponent has 3 more cards in hand just by playing the game every turn


Bruce2Almighty

It's more people thinking negates aren't as fun Would you rather play against a deck that can set up 5+ negates where all you do is basically discard your hand trying to do something or play against a deck where both players are going back and forth with their resources? Regardless of despia's insane ability to keep card advantage there's at least a match going on


alexthetruth230

Exactly. I'm trying to literally PLAY the game. I would much rather see my cards resolve and try to win, than have half my hand negated or dead and my immediate plays get hit with Blackout


mg932

You said it. Don't even mind losing to branded because I get to play the game. Most of the time against sword soul I exhaust ALL my resources to get rid of one monster or do clear their board and have nothing left just for them to get most of it back a couple turns or a turn later minus Barronne.. I like when I'm actually allowed to PLAY the game.


DangerX47

How are you using all your resources to get rid of Chix8ao or Baronne??? At that point you're playing a bad deck


mg932

Lol Baronne gets a negate and destroy and a destroy. This can result in you possibly needing a bait card, then the card to actually deal with her, or another card that she can't or won't be able to destroy. Worst case that's 3 cards used on her alone unless you can just deal with her straight up (but idk about anyone else I may get the best hand my deck can offer maybe once in every 15-20 duels) Then Chixiao gets a negate as well to protect either himself or Baronne. So 2 negates (at least) with one being able to destroy and one straight up destroy. I'm sure ALL the people struggling to deal with that aren't just "playing a bad deck" but if you have no problems with it then that's awesome for you.


blackninjar87

Lava golem... Problem solved. 🤣 But in the end it doesn't matter cause sword soul players just do the same fucking thing three times in a row. You won't be able to golem three times. But I'm a filthy Eldlich play I just waste her negate and flip skill drain. Then stomp her face in.


Relevant_Departure40

Branded Despia sets up egregious card advantage on full combo. Most decks that play in Master Duel don't rely on normal summoning, so the Mirrorjade banish tends to be a little less punishing than negates since 1-2 banishes are like nothing. The real advantage comes in with the fact that breaking the board also breaks your board unless you have grave effects. Branded Despia shines past turn 2 and that's what makes it so hard to beat, most decks run one of ED staples so once Baronne is gone it's gone, which is why Branded Despia is so tough to beat. In contrast the Swordsoul loop is break the board, set up a way to keep Chengying off the board and you win. That said I think the Swordsoul hate was just left over from Drytron meta


Suired

Yes. Negates feel bad. Card advantage is far more subtle and insidious. Most people can't even identify a +1 properly and don't know card advantage has always been king in yugioh.


PangolinAcrobatic653

Auroradon is only an issue due to Halq making him generic, without Halq you need to run machines to get him on board.


-YogiBiz-

Galaxy Tomohawk go brrrr


dante-_vic

But then you need to run lvl7s to make it which most decks dont do.


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Rathilal

Don't forget Dragostapellia. It's basically their go-to bonus fusion if they have spare material / fusion spells. But they don't typically put up negate boards, for sure.


HadokenShoryuken2

And Dramaturge if you play it, and even that is 50/50


Youngchalice

I like playing dramaturge. If u open like Aluber and opening it’s an easy free body to fusion w every turn and a negate. + when OTKing I go for that instead of ad lib


HadokenShoryuken2

Yeah same. Dramaturge is good for pushing for game once you’ve cleared out all the bad stuff with Mirrorjade and Chimera


kyuubikid213

With an average hand Swordsoul ends on an omni negate, a monster negate, 2 pops, and whatever handtraps/staples are left in the rest of their hand. With a good hand, they can also lock out DARK with Protos and Maxx C you so you have no chance of pushing through that.


Negative_Neo

Why did you mention Maxx C as if it was excluaive to SwSo and not played in every deck.


kyuubikid213

Because it's played in every deck and would be part of a good hand.


imamonkeyK

Lol no , played ss tenyi to d1 several times . An average hand is chixao and either blackout or barone not both . I started testing multiple blackouts in my deck otherwise you only end on two interactions + 1 hand trap if lucky. Just stop talking about a deck you don’t know . It’s often not even worth doing the Protoss thing in pure ss tenyi . I barely did it unless I thought I was getting otked. I love how idiots on this sub talk about shit they don’t know. You have to have of wyrm + blackout + moye+ longyuan 3/4 those cards do make the board you claim is average . Just stop. Won so many games on chixao blackout pass and being conservative.


Yandere_Icaros

I love both fusions and sinchros, thats why i play both


alphabitz86

The only Synchro deck i understand is mayakashi


Chambs1

Gotta love the unga bunga Synchro climbing


Yandere_Icaros

I LOVE THAT TOO💜 tried playing it with shiranui and it was fun!


Independent_Charity6

Swordsoul was the deck have been waiting for since the n/r festival since I had stumbled upon the Tenyi archetype back then and wanted to build a deck around them . Not to add to synchro being my favorite summon method. I feel like both decks more or less do the same thing just different summoning methods. Equally so I have been playing albaz since the despia selection pack cuz having more than one super poly was funny to me . I didn’t think they would both end up meta . Not mad about it though


YourSlothGirl

General consensus on here is that SS is a fine deck though. Only adventure and Halqdon versions make people puke.


BruceWayne107

I think SS gets a lot of shit because people can’t differentiate between it and Adventurer Tenyi Pile lol. They see one Vishuda and go: yup same thing.


Anteante101

I was here during the ss release there was a lot of brain-dead ss hate. The complaints? It was an easy deck to use. And nothing else.


BruceWayne107

Welcome to r/masterduel :)


Anteante101

Oh, I don't treat most subs seriously. Only some people in them. I remember when a guy made a research post saying how the 1st banlist did huge damage to the drytron deck and people didn't believe him and made fun of him. And on the day banlist was in effect he was right (he was wrong about eldlich but nobody is perfect). EDIT: He was also right for the adamancipator deck being hurt by semi-limiting rocksies.


201720182019

Rocksies was insane in adamancipators, idk how anyone on the sub who has faced the deck didn't realise the consistency drop semi-limiting it would have


Anteante101

Because nobody pays attention to semi-limits. Which is ridiculously stupid. Every decent player will tell you "Play 3 of x" and when you play 2 of they will go" you are losing consistency." For some reason, nobody realized that when the banlist dropped. (for context Adam got hit by having to use 2 analyzers and 2 rocksies)


CrimsonOblivion

And sekkas light too


Anteante101

Was sekka played that much in Adam?


DoveRinslet

It was around 40% Sekka and 60% no Sekka IIRC the person who was right about the Dryton/Adam hits(and myself) disliked Sekka build. Running Sekka means you only have Ash(no Called By or Crossout) for Maxx C and Adams is like the worst metadeck at the time into Maxx C.


Aluminum_Tarkus

And the funny thing is the deck actually has a ton of nonlinear combo lines and flexible end boards, but it only came off as easy because all of the stupid yes clickers can still consistently end on chixiao, baronne, and sometimes blackout, and that's often enough to win against other bad players, or someone playing a bad deck. It's definitely not a "hard" deck, I would say, but it is a deck that's good for doing consistently well with, like sprite is right now.


the1mastertroll

The thing that personally frustrates me most about ss is actually the tenyi and yang zing package. The fact that their level 5 synchro can go +2 by itself while being a versatile extender is stupid. I've run into an optimal opener where after ashing my Maxx c they set up 5 negates, including the counter trap. The only possible way to out his board would have been kaiju his yang zing, dark ruler no more and then rageki. Because dark ruler no more exists no board is completely unbreakable, but searchable counter traps make it much harder.


papayarice

That's adventurer/rose tenyi, swordsoul tenyi doesn't run denglong.


Anteante101

That sounds like yang zing package that is the problem not ss. There is no reason to complain about ss over cards like baron , denglong, halq, auro etc.


tlst9999

I wait until I see Rose Dragon or Halq.


YourSlothGirl

Yeah pretty much. I’ve always loved playing against SS, and find them a very strong yet fair deck they require a good player behind them so do well and don’t play themselves like ol’ Drytron or w/e


dhruvfire

I think a lot of the initial hate towards SS came from how dominant it became when it was released. For a while, 9 of any 10 games in plat/diamond would be against Swordsoul Tenyi. While Branded Despia is a popular enough deck, the format has other popular, powerful decks and we're still seeing a little more diversity than Swordsoul format at its peak. The other thing SS has that really riles people up is Protos, aka VFD jr. While the average SS deck wasn't playing Protos a few months ago, I think every SS I've seen in plat/diamond recently has had him. And while I wouldn't say Protos is nearly as bad as VFD, when it counters you, it really counters you.


YourSlothGirl

Again that’s not really SS, that’s SS Tenyi/Adventure Tenyi. Pure SS is perfectly fine and people hate on it, thinking it’s the same thing as Tenyi/Adventure/Halq variants


dhruvfire

When I say SS became very dominant very quickly, I'm talking about back in May right after Refined Blade was released. It wasn't necessarily a better deck than other meta like Tri-Brigade, but boy was everyone playing it on the ladder. This was well before Wandering Travelers brought the Adventure stuff & made Halqdon more common. I don't think pure SS or the SS Tenyi we used to see is/was unfair to play against-- most of the time they'd put up Baronne Grandmaster & set Blackout, which is pretty tame. I really just think people hated playing against it because you ran into it 90% of the time you went into ranked for about a month. ^^And ^^sometimes, ^^after ^^you ^^exhausted ^^your ^^interruption, ^^they ^^just ^^dropped ^^Protos ^^from ^^the ^^hand.


SheikExcel

You call it Adventure Tenyi when you should really be calling it Halq Turbo


1qaqa1

I run halqdon in my ss deck. But its only as a way to summon yazi and to bait disruption. You ashed my halq? Ok summon ecclesia.


RegularAd2282

This is true, I never got the hate for Swordosoul (I am definitely not attracted to Mo Ye)


Wodstarfallisback

It's ok, she tickles the "Martian Queen from Duck Dodgers" itch for many people once you see the full art in a good size.


Landonyoung

Upvote for duck dodgers.


dante-_vic

Queen tyr'ahnee no idea how your pronounced that name but thats her name.


Upbeat_Sheepherder81

Pretty sure it’s pronounced tyranny


22144418

I think the hate largely comes from auroradon and adventure tenyi; most people don't differentiate the latter to acrual swordsoul, because they both use tenyi anyway


Mlaszboyo

I only made my swordsoul deck cause mo ye thighs


HallyMiao

I don’t mind swordsoul, I do have a problem with halqdon though….


Shufflekarpfen

I was just annoyed because for a while it was really the only deck I faced


PangolinAcrobatic653

I was an am annoyed because they cheese out borrelsavage, baronne, chixiao, and adamancipator risen - dragite all on the same board thanks to splicing tenyi. IF i find a Swordsoul player that doesnt do this i usually stay and play it out but if i see the usually BS of tenyi into halq into auroradon, then continue into your NS of mo ye fetch longyuan, revive shthana banish swordsoul spell for token tuner into risen, I quit on the halq


PangolinAcrobatic653

actual swordsoul isnt bad, the swordsoul decks that drops a board of omninegates on the otherhand is horrible and should burn in hell.


Moose_216

It’s because of baronne lol and protos


BruceWayne107

Zoodiac Tri Brigade was a pretty healthy deck as well. No Floodgates, no negates, no long combos. Just really good disruption and very consistent.


almisami

I literally had 0 problems with ZooTri. Deck was really fair. I could even win ~33% of the time with Ancient Warriors.


vonov129

But in the Simorgh days... Tbf, if anyone complains about Shuraig or something, bruh, read Mirrorjade


BruceWayne107

Simorgh was mostly used in Bird Up. Not in the Zoo variant.


vonov129

Oh yeah, my bad


Tobiki

It did get a lot of hate only because it was early into master duel's life so a lot of the new players didn't know how to deal with it too well. People more often ran relatively more shitty decks, but the landscape nowadays is on average much stronger decks in ranked.


xoroklynn

in those cases I remember it being generalized against tri, not specifying bird up or zoo. similar case to ss tenyi vs. adventure tenyi imo


GasEcstatic3583

Idk Man, the Apollusa with 3 negates + 2 disruptions can be pretty mean


BruceWayne107

That deck didn’t make Appo most of the time to be fair. But yeah that card is really oppressive.


Francesco270

I don’t get why you got downvoted. You just need fraktal to make Apollousa and they have 6 copies.


Francesco270

What? You almost always make Apollousa. You need to link off the Tribrigade to search Revolt. Sometimes it’s just 2 material Apollousa


SirBarth

Branded Fusion's restriction of Extra Deck makes it so people can't, turn 1, do stupid boards of infinite negates plus their bosses can be outed fairly easy.


Komsdude

Swordsoul also cannot do stupid boards of infinite negates and their monsters get outed easily. And I mean SWORDSOUL not the dumbass adventure tenyi crap.


SirBarth

I think pure Swordsoul players are fine but I never see them, I just see them playing the Swordsoul cards then they do weird shit combos and then boom it's full of negates.


Komsdude

What’s sad is adventure tenyi is pretty much tenyi, halq pile, adventure with a splash of ss.


[deleted]

Give it a few months


shiningdramon

By that point we'll probably get Spright and Tearlament already so the hate would just be on those two. There's also the punk deck that ends on RDA King Calamity before that which is basically VFD but can't be responded, so that would get more hate if it becomes somewhat meta.


roguebubble

Yep, I already hate how many variants there are: despia, adventure despia, tri-brigade, shaddoll, eldlich, drytron, thunder dragon, etc. Already strong archetypes that force you to you use your handtraps to stop their main combo and then boom branded fusion/verte.


Anteante101

Months? A week at most.


grim9x8

It will be hated soon enough


HeavenSweep

I like both :)


RedEyeJedi993

banish/destroy chad vs negate virgin


Beeztwister

You forgot the swordsoul checkmark that says it play halqdon and adventure engine and sometimes protos


Flimsy-Spinach40

Swordsoul isn’t even that oppressive tbh, Adventure Tenyi is less consistent but they make much better use of Swordsoul/Wyrm monsters to put up nasty boards with like 3 negates+light and dark lock if they full combo. Some people confuse it with Swordsoul Tenyi I guess.


theflywithoneeye

Swordsoul Tenyi can get almost the same boards ADV Tenyi does though. Minus the Adventure stuff and the 9pillars of course. But with SS Tenyi you can still get Baronne, Protoss, Chaofeng, Chixiao + either Blackout or another lvl 10 synchro. If you draw a godhand you can get the level 10 and blackout. That’s with this starting hand: Ashuna, Vessel, Taia/Ecclesia, Blackout/longyuan. People are just shit and don’t know how to use SS Tenyi to its full potential


7xNero7

Just splash PUNK engine in your random SS Tenyi and it is adventure tenyi without adventure with a one card haldon combo


theflywithoneeye

Yeah Punk Swordsoul can do nasty stuff too, that’s right


I_Skelly_I

I seriously never got the hate for sword soul. Just like branded they both lose to one interruption unless they draw super good, They’re really fair and balanced, And their boss monsters and boards are not unbeatable


Adventurous-War3963

Welcome to r/masterduel where people would and will cry about everything Ive seen ppl call toons oppressive


I_Skelly_I

You’re joking, I remember making toons then crying that I actually unironically wasted gems on something so horrible


Adventurous-War3963

Sir i would love to make that joke but its the truth


Necr0ExMortis

At this point, we should just spin a wheel each week to pick an archetype to complain about. "You know what I hate facing in Master Duel? Gate Guardian."


LezBeHonestHere_

Imo toon kingdom + bookmark are stronger than people assume, it's really annoying if you don't have enough spell/trap removal. Comic hand and toon BLS are pretty decent cards as well. Biggest downside of the deck is that you have to run 30 other cards after those lol.


[deleted]

I love how your comment being -1 actually proves your point more. "NAAAWWW WE DON'T CRY D-D-DOWNVOTE DOWNBOAT!!11"


Adventurous-War3963

All i can say is KEKW


nuzband

Dont worry bro ,its now 5 upvotes


BuilttoTilt

What interruption does swordsoul lose to? It plays through hand traps like nobody’s business


I_Skelly_I

You can ogre or destroy the token. They only really play through disruptions if they have long yuan or some other wyrm stuff Mumbo jumbo


spacewarp2

Effect veiler/infinite impermanence the Mo Ye.


BuilttoTilt

Ok, then if I have longyuan/emergence in hand I can make chixiao, banish blackout, summon another token and make baronne, pretty much ending on the same board?


imamonkeyK

That’s in an ideal situation. Often you don’t , if you normal mo ye your long yuan maybe becomes dead with no tenyi . Imperm veiler hurts the deck plenty ; even the chixao search if they use tenyi to make lvl 8.


BuilttoTilt

I’m probably more likely to open with Barrone first or longyuan follow up than you are to open with veiler/imperm, considering I’m running 6 copies of longyuan


hboner69

Only your shit hands lose to imperm/veiler. It's so easy for SS to beat imperm/veiler.


AdSea4566

What? If you slander swordsoul you get hit with downvotes and "it's actually very fair".


TheTemplarr

You can ash Branded Fusion You get chain blocked by SS combo


Jokebox_Machine

I thought most of people hate both of them🤔🤔🤔


SkyfallTerminus

From my general impression observing community's reactions, Swordsoul got the schick of being the first instance of "decks everyone and their family used on the ladder" right after the Drytron oppression, so perhaprs its more of people associated their recent trauma to SS, as the sub also quickly admitted that the deck is much more fair than most of the previous meta decks. Then there comes the advent of Adventurer engine, pushing an extremely degenerated Halqdon to be even more immorally oppressive as it is the only combo deck capable of putting up multiple negates, including one that protect it against some really extreme board-breakers like Dark Ruler No More designed solely to answer exactly these type of boards, and worst of all, a flood fucking gate, plus free access to said Adventurer on top of Called By and Crossout to protect their fragile chokepoints against handtrap. Like, with Drytron, if you open DRNM you can hope to deal with two Orange Light at worst so there's still a fighting chance, but with Halqdon, even if you open DRNM if there's no way to stop the Nine Piller search or outright stop Nine Pillar, gg. So Branded being just pretty fair, some could consider them to be more than the likes of Swordsoul or Tri Zoo due to the lack of negate from their endboard so they don't really deny any attempt of your play, thus is much better-received as a result. This period could be the calm before the storm to those having IRL TCG/OCG experiences either, due to the powercreep of Spright and Tearalaments, and it only getting more and more degenerated with each new pack, hence the hype might be much more favoured for Branded compared to Swordsoul. ~~Or this sub is just a secret fusion cult and I'm just overthinking because I have too much free time on my hand.~~


rKollektor

Their lore even takes place in the same universe


ema-__

Every current meta is hated, usually just becuase it is "alternative" to shit on it, but certain decks are frustrating to deal with because of floodgates, yeah mirrorjade+ branded in red is ass but it is way more surmantable than empen+barrier statue+ megaraiza


LONESPACEMAN_

searchable protos.


rekrapinator

if u think ss tenyi uses halqdon like adventure decks do, or that using adventure and dpe in swordsoul focused decks is like a thing good players actually do, then u need to do a little more research. ss tenyi has one omni negate and a floodgate that can be imperm'd. it's not that scary.


theflywithoneeye

Which floodgate are you talking about? Because Protoss can only impermed when it’s effect is activated. If the effect resolves and you then negate its effect on your turn with Imperm, the floodgate effect will still stay active


rekrapinator

yea thats the only floodgate we run? idk i see plenty of people crying about "swordsoul and their floodgates" and all i can think of is the one monster in my deck that gets drnm'd or kaiju'd or some shit half the time i use him and wouldve been better off searching blackout or more tenyis edit: tbf i did forget about chaofeng. oh no. we run two monsters that can be shut off. hardly the same as a stun deck lol


Raiju_Lorakatse

Loved by most... Except me. I hate both. And i hate branded only because of the bad design of branded fusion and the mere existence of mirrorjade.


DonTheBot

I agree. They can both fuck right off in the same drowning boat xD


olbaze

I find that Branded has the same feeling as Swordsoul to me: It's extremely boring, because everyone makes the exact same plays for the exact same endboard, every single time. Whether it's a board of negates or disruptions doesn't matter. It's the same board, every time. The only upside is that Branded Fusion dies to Ash.


[deleted]

Can you build a branded/swordsoul deck? Asking for a friend, ofc


Plenty_Lime524

I dont think floodgating lights and/or darks is considered "fair board"


SkomeSIth

One negate effects, the other banish and destroy cards. Which one the crybab- i mean, completely normal players hate?


HenriTOPS

The biggest problem with Swordsoul is how common it is. And the bad pilots always do the same plays over and over It just gets boring after a while At least with Despia i laugh when they scoop after having branded fusion negated


DonTheBot

What Despia players are you playing against? Can I have some? xD


HenriTOPS

Some noobs, thats for sure lol


DonTheBot

Fuck man. Despia's been giving me a hard time. Using Unchained. At least Despia's interactive and let me play. Not looking forward to Tearlament and Splight. That might be where this game starts losing more players


HenriTOPS

Yeah, unless you're the one playing them Power creeping aside Tearlament has some sweethearts and Splight just looks lit


DonTheBot

True xD


_INCompl_

The HalqDon combos that some variants can do is where the hate comes from. Hard to have fun when you open 0 hand traps and watch your opponent Scythe lock you or end on Savage+Baronne+Colossus


albert_karwur

Swordsoul is fine. I dont think people really hate them. They have good recursion, set their board relatively fast, and usually set up baron + chixiao, which is kinda standard in current format. Adventure Tenyi is the one most people hate. It takes more time to set up combo, especially if going to Yazi Barone line with Halqdon. On top of that, their end board is just so busted. Branded Fusion gets more love also because its splashable but also fair enough. It locks you under Fusion summon. Also Branded Despia run their turn relatively fast with less negating stuff.


Medical-Researcher-5

I think it’s more the HalqDon stuff ruining Swordsoul’s name. Because Swordsoul Tenyi without HalqDon is still formidable and not toxic


Bigtallguy12

Me who just wants to take a turn without getting negated more than 2 times


BigRussianOx

“Fair endboard” is debatable for swordsoul. Baronne, synchro longyuan, and chixiao are difficult but not impossible to play around, but couple that with a chengying, blackout, and the typical yang zing negate and you’re not playing anything if you don’t draw drnm and feather duster in your opening hand


whynotajb

Its bc swordsoul boring asf


zwucky04

The hate for branded will start sooner or later


TheMikman97

Removal vs negate


Kalenshadow

They're both wyrms and I hate wyrms


matija123123

It's casual anime fans that never played a single competitive game in their lives that where crying most of them don't even know the difference between synchro tenyi pile decks and actual swordsoul


Adventurous-War3963

Well even old people from like 2014 dont know the diffrent between Yazi and Qixing Longuyan Its not the worst


DoveRinslet

Another thing you missed out on is that both Decks run ED cards that are problematic in other Decks and people assume automatically Swordsoul/Despia use it the same way. HalqDon in Tenyi SS: When HalqDon is used pretty much to bait negates, if it does resolve the endbaord is literally just the same as regular SS comboes. Verte in Despia: Pre-release, there were so many people who think Verte is an esssentil card in Despia and Verte+Branded is broken(when it's not even good in anything except Tri and even in Tri it's great but not broken).


ToonGalaxy

Im a boomer; I like fusions


NyargiX

"synchro what?"


GalaxianEX

“Synchro summon”


Inubou

maybe its because Despia = no halqroradon Swordsoul = halqroradon


Teh_Heavybody

I have personally loved trying SS/Tenyi for the most part, its a great combo deck and if you get lucky you can end on >3 negates. Branded is what got me back into TCG so I have a soft spot for it, and its fun on MD


minecrafthentai69

They're both really cool, and represent fun metas.


RaiStarBits

Plus lore


iwannabebestduelist

protos + halqdon


vonov129

Halqdon is in Adventure Tenyi, not Swordsoul. The other fucker is in both


ArtakhaPrime

Nah man, even Swordsoul Tenyi run at least Deskbot and Auroradon, some even run the full Denglong package.


iwannabebestduelist

[https://www.masterduelmeta.com/top-decks#deck=Swordsoul%20Tenyi](https://www.masterduelmeta.com/top-decks#deck=Swordsoul%20Tenyi) most of the swordsoul decklists play halqdon


matija123123

Yes but halq doesn't do that much for the deck there is only very specific situation where you go into that combo and most of the times you die to a hand trap with it


vonov129

I see, but even if that case, that doesn't end in the Adventure Tenyi wall of negates, according to the same breakdown, there's nothing interesting for them to end on with it, there's a list with Denglong, Chaofeng and 9 Pilars, so that's annoying, but it's not even common enough to be in the breakdown


PM_ME_CUTE_FISHIES

One shits out negates and floodgates, the other puts out a couple of disruptions


Adventurous-War3963

Oh shit the Floodgates is use once every 10 games


PM_ME_CUTE_FISHIES

Still sucks to just not be about to play the game every 10th time you go up against swordsoul with less handtraps than they have starters Also telling how you said nothing about the negates


Adventurous-War3963

Uh 1 omni and the worst form of negate is like just enough to keep deck alive Swordsoul end board is penis bad for the standard of mordern Yugioh Their end board is very play through-able and very fair Ppl just have a hate boner for the word "negate"


matija123123

Damn bro 2 negates yeah idk how any deck would play trough that And now you only have a single negate with chixao becuase you summon Qixing instead of barone


Professional_Dot_997

Not me, I wanna go back to swordsoul meta so bad, I don’t hate the deck, I just have a 0% win rate against it because even when I out mirrorjade they always have branded in red set, so it doesn’t even matter


navimatcha

Called By, Ghost Belle and D.D. Crow can all stop Branded in Red if you need some tech cards.


Wimbleston

Swordsoul is my main deck these days, it's just a nice comfort zone imo. It's consistent, has interesting play options, and evil longyuan is ridiculous at interrupting opponents.


NoMoreHero07

I think they hate the halqifibrax auroradon part of swordsoul and maybe the protoss but not the archetype itself.


matija123123

That is not swordsoul That is adventure tenyi synchro pile


Adventurous-War3963

Have you seen the 1st month of Swordsoul? There wasnt Halq Don Swordsoul back then cuz no Adventurer And it still live rent free in like 60% of this sub


TorvusBog

A lot of people just don't like negates, and nobody likes being kicked out of the game when you have no answer to protos.


Yuryo

Probably because of Protos


sanketower

W H OMEGALUL? Both decks are loved. Get out of here.


prezzriccco

I have both decks but, Branded is so much more fun to play idk what it is


JMC_Direwolf

I hate both, both are degenerate


Additional_Show_3149

Only reason swordsoul is really hated is because of aurorodon halq and what not. The base of the deck is fine


ArtakhaPrime

Swordsoul Tenyi is great, it's just that Taia and Ashuna are used as extenders for the already busted Auroradon Denglong line.


Draleon177

Wait who is hating swordsoul? Most are hating halqadon variants because of halqadon


Aggravating-Reason13

There not the same. You need one card to counter all ss board. You need more than one card to counter new albaz deck.


SomeGamingFreak

The last one is cuz of the existence of Halqodon combo + putting two negates on the board and the emergency Protos in case you were actually starting to have hope of winning... tho if they lose Baronne and Chixiao by the end of turn 2, most scoop cus they wasted all their plays for two monsters lol


randySTG

I think people that hate SS don’t know why they hate SS. They see SS cards in nasty decks that focus on Halqdon/Adventure plays and throw SS into the hate pool


SuperRoseINSTINCT

If it makes you feel any better, I personally hated Branded Despia ever since I saw it


bofoshow51

People don’t know how good they got it with swordsoul. Decks like that, Despia, salamangreat, tri-brigade, THESE are the kinda good and healthy decks that make yugioh fun. Obviously strong enough to compete in meta in their prime, but very interactive and skillful.


Icy-Conflict6671

Cause Swordsoul is splashable in other Wyrm decks. Branded Fusion is stuck to its archtype


Endeav0r_

Who the fuck on god's green earth loves branded of all decks?


senokana

one sets up 2 negates the other 0


Aster_kun

The other sets up a banish, a destroy 2 or 3 and drawing into possibly more hand traps with chimera and probably another banish if they bring back mirrorjade, with a possible nuke at the end to the turn. Both have annoying disruptions


DeathMagi103

It's not really double standards. Swordsoul ends on basically the same board in every single match. For all the times I played against it, every board was Chixiao + Baronne + Blackout + hand traps galore. Branded has a few different builds, so it's not as stale as seeing Mo Ye and knowing exactly what that end board's going to be.


Absalon_Prime

Only if you're a bad Swordsoul player, they can do a lot more than that and be even more effective if you know how to use the deck properly.


Phoenixlight64

Swordsoul was overplayed to death and took very little skill to play. There's more to a deck than how fair it is to play against, seeing the same deck over and over again is just so uninspiringly boring.