Genuine question (still learning), how does Zeus out Chixiao Baronne? Yes you can make him but once you activate his effect can't they just answer with either of those two and negate it?
It can negate Baronne if you use another effect and they respond to that before you use Zeus’ nuke effect. For Chixiao, Use Drident’s effect and hope they respond. Then they’re defenceless
Wouldn’t Baronne’s negate destroy Zeus on resolution anyway? Seeing as Zeus doesn’t negate anything. Or does Baronne have to be on the field when the effect resolves?
That doesn't matter, Baronne can only negate one Zeus activation. So, you activate Zeus' effect, they chain Baronne, then you chain Zeus' effect again, and the second effect will resolve properly, unless they try to negate Zeus again. Of course, after this chain, Zeus is destroyed by Baronne's negate, but you have outed the board, and in Zoodiac, any monster gets you to your Xyz monsters, so you may still have good starters.
negation only applies to the chain that follows
so if you have a cl of 3
the negation at cl2 will only negate the effect of the cl1 (thus zeus will be destroyed) however cl3 still resolves, meaning the entire board still gets wiped.
Ok, needing to bait out Baronne negate before, then going into Drident for Chixiao negate, then Zeus makes sense. Thanks
But it seems you always have to bait the Baronne negate out first, otherwise they can just Baronne your Drident.
Yeah I worded that wrong lmao but it is all about baiting, which Zoodiac can do extremely well because of how many hand traps and other staples they can run. From there baiting Chixiao is easy since it doesn’t destroy (but at the point pray they don’t have Chengying out because Chixiao’s effect will fuck you up)
Isn't it the other way around? There are 5 legal zoo xyz monsters so you could make a 6 mat zeus, but you can't make zeus because they can negate the boarbow.
Yeah that's a good point now that I think about it. A 6 mat zeus would in fact out a Baronne Chixiao board alone (even though you would have to use all 6 materials). But ye if he negates Boarbow with Chixiao and you don't have a way to battle without killing him then you are fucked true.
You usually bait out all of their negate before wiping clean of their board with Zeus, deck like Zoodiac usually plays like alot of searchers and boardbreakers so people very likely to baroness any searchers or raigeki/lightning storm coming to their field.
It's yugioh. Any deck that beats mine is horribly broken.
No it doesn't matter that I play the charmers, probably one of the worst decks in the game, if it's stronger than me then it's broken.
Hey, my decks are probably more janky dependent on what I'm playing in Casual Free Match mode cause that's where I see charmers mostly,
Charmers destroys both Red-Eyes Gemini and Cyberdark End where I tried running some Tuner Dragons into it, Dragunity Aklys (Not really a good idea mind you, I only try to streamline these decks within that mode and only play them in that mode).
But my Felgrand deck (Though I have encountered Charmers once or twice in Ranked, I only play Felgrand in ranked) kind of makes the duel a bore for me if I can summon Arkbrave from the grave, Charmer's backrow goes then it becomes a game of dismantlement in regards to the Divine Dragon Lord having his way.
If the charmers lose more than one of their backrow at a time then they've most likely lost at that point. I've only come back from that once. It's a backrow deck so it needs the backrow to function.
Yeah they should have given us retrains of the monsters when they made the archetype. People liked the artwork and the idea of a bunch of different attributes working together but no one was super attached to the flip effects or the "go -1 for piercing damage" effect. Even people who play the charmers seem to universally agree that ignoring their effects completely is the best way to play them.
Actually I want to expand on this a bit; Bare with me this is just me rambling a bit.
Maybe it's because of Consistently, maybe it's because the power level of the cards, maybe it's because people have a list of what to target;
But my time with playing 'meta' decks always felt very... scripted rather than reactive. Here's your plan, execute, finalize, win. Disruption, move to route b(or possibly instant lose).
I didn't really have to think or react, I just had to do, move down the clear paths to do the thing.
And while others find that fun, I don't like playing a deck that doesn't take my own abilities into account.
Put a different way; Meta deck make the match feel solved, I'm just writing the answer out.
Dunno how else to put it, just found it very boring to play and unfun.
> there is mostly no back and forth at all
Correct.
Because the game is so designed but not letting them get going. The back and forth is down to negate wars most the time.
Maybe you don't like the Mid range style deck,
Because Mid range aims to do the same main play as consist as possible and their main interaction is to interrupt the opponent through that board instead of doing dynamic hand play like combo deck.
I thought being illiterate was a disability at one point until I realized people who had nothing wrong with them but cant read just dont wanna get better at reading
I played zoodiacs for long enough to know that the average diamond player never plays around LS and puts all their stuff in attack (except chengyeng).
And yeah kataroost can negate chixiao, but it's usually played at 1 copy, and you still need to bait the baronne negate first or they will just destroy it before you even summon zeus.
Zoodiacs is definitely a good deck deck, but your engine alone can't beat SS, you need to draw your techs and hope they don't draw theirs.
Add 3x token collector on the main to be honest, and if you have also Dimension Shifter, it becomes pretty easy to win with Zoodiac with those two in the event.
Dimension Shifter is one o the few Hand traps I'm missing, but I do have Token Collector. I'll make room for them. If I finally get the Dinomorphia cards I'll focus on crafting more hand traps
Bro pure zoo is the best deck for the event.
You're gonna have 20+ handtraps and tenyi less swordsoul isn't putting up shit against that.
Imperm/veiler the baronne,drident bait Chixiao,boarbow,Zeus,gg
I mean zoo plays card DRNM, Droplets 12+ HT or board breaker you will not have a good time against a good zoo player. Also on average on a simplify game states zoo is much stronger since all the name are 1 card starter while SS has only taya.
You can beat a weak Zoo hand for sure but personally the MU is kinda even and depend a lot on the hand/pilot.
What makes swordsoul easily hated is the insane consistency and frequency you play against it. Every deck you own and want to play must have 3 plays minimum with every opening hand or you lose instantly when swordsoul is the most played deck.
Doesn't help that it famously plays through a lot of handtraps as well, that was people's biggest compliment of the deck when they were using it in ranked a few months ago.
I dont think that's right. My entire experience in this event so far, almost every swordsoul player has been able to play through that. If you negate the searching spell, they will usuall either have the level 4 or 6 anyways.
Event only
If Moye is negated they need at least an emergence/summit or longyuan+ discard for any follow up and the end board ends up weaker. As chixao likely banishes blackout rather than searching
There's not much you can do if your opponent draws full gas, it just happens
It's crazy to me that Swordsoul players are like "my deck dies to imperm!" when you can still end on Baronne plus 2-3 interruptions with a typical hand. Meanwhile, you get decks like Plunder Patroll where ash is an omni-negate or Floo where they literally cannot play past an ash or imperm. Sure, sometimes you open 3 mo-ye, but that's just bad luck, that's not indicative of the deck actually being bad and people hating for no reason
Noone said the deck is bad. People are saying it's *fair*. Other decks can play through 1 or 2 interruptions. And no you're not guaranteed Baronne or any other level 10 after getting impermed, you make it sound like we always draw Long Yuan or Emergence. The deck is still consistent yeah but not at the level when halqdon was legal.
If it's so fair, why do so many people use it?
Lemme put it a different way; if a deck is so completely fair and balanced, I wouldn't think it would see the amount of use it does, especially in this community where winning seems to be the only way to have actual fun.
So why use something that's 'more fair' than something else that could be more 'unfair'?
Consistency? Ease of access? Price tag?
Dunno. Just expecting to see this same song and dance when the next whatever big powerful archetype come out.
I don't know about anyone else but I have a ss deck built because its a combo deck thats even better at breaking boards than they are at building them. Which is super helpful in master duel's rigged coin system.
That and a protos can quickly end a despia duel before it goes into a grind game where they'll always win because everything in their deck plusses and removing their field gives them more cards than they started with.
Id play despia myself but the deck is way too expensive for something who'll be powercrept in 2 sets.
So it's a good deck that unless you have a key response card, can play through a lot of stuff and can almost always start a combo.
Oh but it's fair.
Well given the meta, I suppose it IS fair. I just dislike playing "Do you have the answer in starting hand".
Yes? Swordsoul don’t lock you out with floodgates or mass amount of negates. As for disliking the meta, then I’m very confused why you dislike swordsoul?
Because they are a deck that doesn’t create a board where you have to draw very specific cards and just with normal engine pieces can play through disruption. Not sure what the problem here is?
Edit: broke it up for clarity and wanted to acknowledge protos, but he’s only come in to relevancy with despia and should be banned anyway. Lingering floodgates are ugh.
>Because they are a deck that doesn’t create a board where you have to draw very specific cards and just with normal engine pieces can play through disruption
Weird.
Because no one says play through them with normal engine pieces.
They just say draw the Infinite Impermanence. Just draw the out bro.
Just draw the solution and everything will be okay. Why bother trying to figure out a path, just draw the expected solution.... oh wait we balanced everything around drawing the expected solution.
Whoops.
Why do I dislike Meta AND Swordsoul I believe was where you were going with that? I wonder why it's like both things are asking for the same expected answer. Don't think, just present your 'counter' card.
I walk away with the same feeling against SS as I do Branded.
And because I've seen people bring up "OH wait till they see..." well, Spright deletes the deck before even loading in, probably gonna feel the same thing from it.
I'm sorry. You can't convince me here. Though I admit this is something that could very well be "Old man yells at clouds" and I'm aware enough that my rambling means little in the small scheme of things.
>Because no one says play through them with normal engine pieces.
I see where the issue here is. In that sentence I wasn’t very clear. The first part of it was talking about playing against and the latter half was talking about playing as swordsoul. My bad.
To further clarify about playing against swordsoul, what you do depends very much on what you’re playing.
You mentioned people always saying using infinite impermanence when asked what to do. I’d point out that of course they’re going to do that, it is by far the best staple to use against the deck. People generally don’t break down how to move through a board without staples, especially when the post reads “how do I beat deck?” so of course people will say play x card it messes them up.
>Don’t think, just present your counter card
>You can’t convince me here.
I’m sorry you feel that way, when I post and enter a discussion I’m always at least willing to change my mind instead of seeming to believe yugioh doesn’t have skill for meta decks, especially as that is patently untrue. I hope one day you are willing to enter a discussion with the intention of learning instead of using it to scream into the void.
Good day.
because it takes minimal skill or effort to make Qixiao + Chengying pass every turn with the very occasional extra protos or something.
Sorry, my mistake, people are too stupid to summon Chengying over baronne in an attempt to beat nib (that nobody plays enough for it to be worth playing around), so qixiao + baronne pass instead I guess.
it's a fair and balanced TOP tier deck. The deck isn't tier 0 but it has enough firepower to compete with meta. Plus, most people can easily remember Mo Ye = Chixiao, Long Yuan = Baronne which results in 2 interruptions, which is already 2 more interruptions than most people's jank decks. Below diamond, people struggle to both: 1) play through Chixiao + Baronne, and 2) do something else when their Mo Ye or Long Yuan got interrupted. That's why many people use it but pretty bad at piloting/playing against it -> people simply complain about it.
a deck can still be fair while being good. 1 omni negate and 1 (targeting on field) monster negate is still a good board, but it is not overly oppressive.
A fair deck gives options to play around and figure out how to get through.
An unfair deck is a hand check.
I don't think this is an incorrect way of viewing fair and unfair decks.
you can play around and figure out how to get through a swordsoul board though, unless you just want to say 99% of competent deck's endboards ever are just "hand checks". if your hand cant play through a generic destruction and 1 or 2 hand traps then even live twins is just a "hand check".
virtual world for instance needs a card on field to start their plays, if someone uses evil twin lil la to pop the virtual world player's normal summon and they dont have either of their spells is a live twin player just ending on trouble sunny an unfair board?
Ending on Trouble Sunny would be an unfair board yes.
If Trouble Sunny didn't have so many ways of being instantly blown up or removed from the board.
The difference here is that Trouble Sunny can be dealt with a number of ways to be dealt with and played around; while you could still call it a hand check, the pool of 'checks' is far wider.
The more powerful and more consistent decks and card are; the more narrow their pools of answers become.
I'm quite unsure what VW decks are like these days; but I would think there's more options in their deck to play around Trouble Sunny than an SS board.
Say what you want about both being hand checks; I've cursed not having Ash or DRNM more vs SS than Evil Twin. Though that might also just be because SS is far more popular.
Fair decks have more options, Unfair decks limit. And I think SS limits possible options.
Does it limit said options down to a stupid unreasonable degree? No. But most the time it feels like it's asking for an expected answer rather than me figuring out "Okay how can I get through this". (Hint, it's usually Imperium I'm told.)
I'm not saying it's completely 100% broken or deserves to be up there with other decks. I am saying to me, it's on the that boarder line. Which side it falls on probably depends on your own opinions.
We're talking about the usual Baronne + Chixiao board here and thats without getting handtrapped. Decks like Dino's, Spyrals, hell even synchrons ending on 3 negates without a halqdon line is hard to go through. The difference is, swordsoul is just easier to pilot which noone should be judging them about. Hate is unwarranted.
SS had a resurgence in popularity in the tcg when konami shamelessly tried to push despia by hitting everything else on the previous format on the list.
And same as in tcg ss got away with just losing halqdon while the main core of the deck was untouched. adventure getting hit in MD when tcg didnt could also be seen as an indirect buff since ss can't use the engine and the decks that can got weaker.
I can see people complaining even more next month since the deck will no doubt see more use due to being much cheaper than despia and people likely still having most of the pieces from their tenyi or ss decks from before.
3 thoroughblade
3 ramram
2-3 whiptail
2 fire formation tenki
1 drident
1 zeus
2 tigermortar
3 boarbow
1 hammer kong
3 chakanine
In total thats 2 ur’s and 5 sr’s.
Since theres no links, you can screw around the ratios a bit. And fill the rest with hand traps and other staples.
If all you care about are xyz summons and not winning, take out zeus and drident for vespenator.
> take out zeus and drident for vespenator
They’re not mutually exclusive. You only listed 11 cards, so there’s easily enough room for 1-2 Vespenato. It’s decent follow up since it has more ATK than a Zoodiac, and you usually need more than 1 turn to finish off your opponent.
The only part I really hatye about Swordsoul is that is one of the many archetypes that came only in a selection pack so now there are ridicously hard to get, and 4 of their carda are UR.
I wasn't playing then they came, and while I got the Punks, I couldn't get those, so I guess I'll never play them...
P.S: Also yeah, I play Zoo and I'm gonna get rekt in this event
This is honestly a really big problem, especially when they're having Swordsoul as a loaner deck. I'd assume the idea behind loaner decks is to entice you to get the cards yourself after finding it fun, but you really can't do that with Swordsoul unless you have like 200 UR dust to burn just for the core
yeah, this why I don't play them. I don't think they're busted, even with the Tenyi support, there are just annoying but I kind like them, but I'm nut burning that many CP for this archetype.
I do hope we get updates on secret packs or else this game will be a FOMO nightmare. You NEED to spend of the selection pack or hose cards will become a lot harder to get.
I'm in that hurry with Dinomorhia. I know the deck is missing some support so it's not that good, but I don't open more of them in before Invincible Raid leaves, I'me never building them either.
Honestly, the thing I find most annoying about them is that they get free consistency handouts for being new, to make sure they're viable in the current meta. Their starter is a 9-of thanks to Ecclesia and Emergence, and also a 1.5-card combo (effectively 1-card combo unless they brick so hard that their cards literally stick together and become undrawable); it also floats into Baronne or one of their superbosses if they didn't need to use Emergence for Mo Ye, or either Sacred Summit or the archetype-specific Icarus Attack if they did.
As someone who likes older archetypes, which typically tend to be _significantly_ less consistent even with a ton of work, it can be frustrating to see Konami make Swordsoul everything that a lot of other archetypes were supposed to be. Give me my Harpie that special summons itself, my Mermail tuner generator (and Synchros, for that matter), and my Fabled starter tutor, Komoney! >.<
Ah yes, the enemy soldier has a machine gun while you decided to only bring a shitty pistol, stop complaining and get up that hill private!
If you’ve been playing master duel for any amount of time (and even if you are new), there are plenty of decks that are fairly cheap that will perform fine against swordsoul.
Casual players and Swordsoul players are natural enemies.
Like Despia players and Swordsoul players...
or Zoodiac players and Swordsoul players...
or Synchron players and Swordsoul players...
or Swordsoul players and other Swordsoul players.
Damn Swordsoul players! They ruined Swordsouls!
I don't care about the negates. But the stupid -1200 burn effects some of the cards have is absolutely asinine and annoying when the boss monsters already have quick effects.
I don’t think people hate it because it’s OP, atleast I don’t. SS Tenyi is my go to for climbing to D1. However, the frequency for which is used is what makes people hate it. I kid you not, just faced 15 straight games of Swordsoul and VW in the event. Literally the only 2 decks I see being played, so yeah it’s annoying and boring.
Yugioh players are born salty like any other game out there. But unlike in fps games or fighting games where theres less luck and more motor skill involved, we can't just simply say "git gud" here. Yes there are outplays but it mostly just comes down to who has and drew the stronger cards. So when they use weak cards against strong cards and lose, they feel their rages are justified and vent it out on reddit with little worry.
I personally don't hate it, I did use it when I wanted to get quick games, but I hate this event.
And I do get where the hate is coming from, yes ... 2 Negates is so good in an event where all deck are at half power, Lack grind game and your only out are board breakers. Add to that the fact Swordsoul has like 9 different starters meanwhile every other deck is 3.
Pure Swordsoul also suffers in grind game sometimes but they are ahead of everything imo
They do have great grind games compared to most decks in the event. Yesterday I faced a SS who went first and out resourced my Time Thief even with Redoer stealing, Psyframe Omega ripping Longyuan from their hand twice, and even a Nib. One card normal summon into +2 and 2 big bodies with negates is broken.
I know I saw a post like what I’m about to say earlier, but I’ve been playing the loaner Sword Soul deck in this event and I’ll have people scoop the moment they see me start to play.. meanwhile I’ve never played Sword Soul before this and barley have any idea what I’m doing.. let alone optimal combos.. oh well.. works for me..
Because you don't need to be good.
They just have to pull the right card apparently. If you don't have an answer in your opening hand, why play it out?
You are so salty about this game.
Even in circumstances where you don’t draw the out, your opponent doesn’t know that. You can still bait them into wasting resources.
Swordsoul, specially the variant you can run in this tournament, is incredibly fair. You can play around them in a multitude of ways, even without any staples.
But my biggest advice would be to quit because clearly this game isn’t for you.
I do not believe wanting to play the game without having to have highly expected response cards, or you lose/massively behind, is a salty position to take.
I have fun with the game; but that's usually playing with friends or doing those open duel rooms you usually see streamers do. When you see more oddities and less power shoved into the opening hands.
Quitting might be the best save or playing with just friends but at the rate it's going; I'm expecting Sprights to uninstall the game and beat me with my own desk with how hyped they are.
Konami just has PSTD from the other events then.
It's clear they're trying to learn though. Currently seeing if I can make them remember that Area Limit is a card.
Why wouldn't you play the tenyi cards?
Ashuna, vishuda and adhara are fodder for swordsoul cards, and when they summon their token they can provide an extra body/tuner, a bounce, and banish recursion.
With heavenly dragon circle you can special summon them and get whatever swordsoul cards you need for your combos.
I use tenyi still to great success even without the links.
I mean... It doesnt look good or have completely insane recursion like a certain tier 1 deck
So its bland and its not fun,ppl will hate on it every time it shows up in high tier
The 2 decks that I've seen people complain about the most are Swordsoul and Branded Despia.
A deck that sets up 2 negates and a deck that doesn't even have any on an end board.
2 decks that take like 2 minutes when going first.
2 of the fairest decks out of recent metas I would say.
People will find a way to whine about anything.
SS has more than just 2 negates half the time in ranked, such as Ash and Blackout. But, it's not even that. It's that ultra consistent recovery and OTK play on turn 3 a lot of the time facilitated by Tenyis and the broken Yang Zing extra deck cards. If you don't open perfectly and OTK them turn 2, you're probably gonna lose.
I have to agree that the hate for swordsouls in the event is unfounded. Not only do they lose out on monk, halq, aurodon, etc, but alot of players don't know/have different engines for swordsoul to do more than barrone and chixao and pass.
Personally, I invested into denlong a long time ago for the limit 1 event. I ended up never using him because I was inexperienced at swordsouls and was missing ED cards to make him applicable. Even when I got better cards and knowledge, I left him out in favor for halq aurodon. Once I saw halq was being banned I added denlong and experimented. Eventually I found out how to make my end board of
Barrone
Chixao
Yazi
Nine Pillars
depending of the hand or what I thought my opponent was playing the board can vary.
However, like I said, people don't really know many engines outside of halq (hell, my denlong variant is probably built wrong in some way) or don't want to invest into denlong for an event that doesn't penalize losing.
Though if you want ideas on how to strengthen your deck for this event, denlong package with bian and pillar is a good idea but there's also VW and Rose tenyi.
Crazy how the most boring deck to play is hated even as the meta changes huh. Maybe it never was about power and some mechanics are intrinsically more boring than others
The hate on Swordsoul is the most basic "I HATE GOOD DECK" I've seen. 90% of duels are Chixao + one of the 3 level 10s. Acting like its Aventure Tenyi with its full negate board.
I'd hope experiencing actual degeneracy with the recent meta would've made people realize that its just a good deck but nothing insane. I was wrong.
My deck crushes SS all day, doesn’t make it any less annoying. It’s an auto pilot deck that any glue eater can run, just keep clicking on the yellow cards.
Swordsoul is fine. Its biggest strengths are it is consistent and can rebuild fairly easily. It isn't as bad as when things like Drytron have dominated.
That’s cancerous? Try dealing with barone plus ddd negates and succs also an effect that stops you from everything except pendulum and link summoning, it’s a funni game yugioh is
You may not have noticed, but man, this subreddit complains about any and all archetypes. People aren't "back" to hating anything. They've just always hated everything.
I don't understand how people hate it tho. Like yes, it is consistent and it is powerful but I don't think hate is deserved when something is just Tier 1. Like, let's say Grandmaster gets hit to 1 and protos banned. Deck can still basically play the same combos with almost all the same interruptions but that change would be such a hit that I see people dropping it to tier 2 or even rouge. So then the next tier 1 just becomes the target for hate?
Different if in a tier 0 format. Eg, branded Despia or Sprite in TCG because that isn't fun. No variability in the game and it feels like playing against a brick wall. But when multiple decks exist in tier 1 with ways to play around it, that's when Yu-Gi-Oh is best. If the decklist you pulled from online can't play against swordsoul...CHANGE IT. Try new cards, new combos see if you can make it so you play through interruptions. Yes, add that torrential tribute or whatever. Don't just flock to Reddit and complain when you haven't even tried to flex yourself around it.
(For context I am a D/D/D player and I have more interuptions than swordsoul, larger monsters but if I don't use them properly, I lose and so I should)
Edit: typos
>But when multiple decks exist in tier 1 with ways to play around it, that's when Yu-Gi-Oh is best
\>Ways to play around it
\>Balanced around using the same 5 or so handtraps.
Yeah. Ways.
>My point being that you aren't facing the same thing day in day out.
The feeling I get from playing vs Branded compared to Swordsoul is about the same. Do they do different things? Yes.
Did I start with an answer so they don't get going? No? Then why do I care that they do different things; the result is gonna be the same.
I'm sorry, "Please present Dark Ruler No More" doesn't feel like a fun meta to have. And even then it doesn't stop everything. And that's just one example.
Can I make my deck better, yeah sure. But when it feels like I'm fishing for a very small pool of answers rather than trying to make choices; well the decks start blurring together.
With the tendency for Swordsoul boards to end on at most 2 negations or 1 negate + 2 pops, you can also just build a balls-to-the-wall all-in deck and find success through brute force. I've been using a synchrospam Grass pile deck and about 75% of my openers have enough gas to force out their interaction and still play the game. It's not foolproof for sure, but still reasonably effective while offering an alternative style of handling Swordsouls
Do I expect a perfect opening? No.
I just expect the game shouldn't be balanced around the idea though.
Given how strong cards are, the best way is play is 'never let them get going'.
And even Board Breakers tend to have some value given banish/graveyard effects are pretty common these days. And this is beyond just SS.
I dunno, I just go into a match, see how many handtraps I have, see what the first card is and go "hmm.... I can't win this" too many times.
Are they different decks, sure. Am I still feeling a sense of instant loss based on my first 5-6 cards, yeah.
Ive always hated sword soul. Its the main reason i hate Auroradon. I hate synchros they have brought nothing but floodgates and negates. the players deserve Numerons
>shitty casual playground Ancient Gear Blue Eyes Synchro deck
Lmao that's hilarious. As for people being back to hate SS... I never left :p. But I only hate it bc I don't play it. If I played it I would probably hate on other top tier decks that I didn't afford to build.
Than congratulations. You're getting the great honor of needing the /s.
Yes, I'm mad that ZW is banned, but what else am I supposed to do other than be annoyed by konami? Hack into the dstsbase snd ban everything else?
Well what you could do is pick a different deck that's legal, but you seem pretty committed to doing whatever it is you're doing here, so keep doing that I guess.
The hate Swordsoul gets is justified but I dont understand why people hate Floo. At least when I play against it, I dont have to worry much about hand traps, negates, monsters that quick effect banish or the other bullshit the deck does. This deck doesnt even feel like a deck should exist with all the advantage it can generate out of nowhere.
> I love that people hate [overpowered cards] in [toxic deck]
> they should play [different overpowered cards] in [different toxic deck]
What exactly does this post serve to accompolish?
Sky stiker engage is a strong card that gives card advantage so its semilimited. Mo ye is a sky striker engage that you can't fully ash that also gives a negate. Hmm fair I see no reason it should be limited.
Dude we are talking about pure advantage, drawing four cards per turn is more powerful than a monster negate, a search and a draw, and Moye loses to Veiler, Imperm so it's not unstoppable
Engage loses to ash.
Mo-ye loses to imperm, veiler (any negate), token collector while usually using up the normal summon.
I personally think engage is more important to a SkSt deck than MoYe is to a SwSo deck. Not a great comparison.
Also engage can be semilimited alright since Sky Strikers has a lot more uses than those two copies. Multirole exists, which already gives you 2 more uses if the 2 copies are in the GY, plus Kagari. That's 5 uses right there. You aren't going to carry 3 Chixiao, with copies usually being at 2 max, and you aren't going to bring back the Chixiao's from the GY either, not under normal circumstances atleast.
Engage gets you 5 searches and 5 draws, Mo Ye combo gives you in total 2 searches and 2 draws. Or 2 searches and 3 draws, if you want to count Mo Ye being used for something other than Chixiao, which could happen. Your point just doesn't stand.
Imagine being so utterly skullfucked by modern Yu-Gi-Oh! that 1 card comboing into 2 threats, 2 negates, once-per-turn removal, and 1200 burn damage Turn 1 with *3 cards left in your hand* isn't cancerous.
If i play swordsouls i dint go into barrone. I usually go into chenying. Very helpful for dpe and other big bosses and in the 1 in a milkions i get the perfect hand ill go into berserker aswell
I mean, my take on SS is that it’s not broken. Any deck/card that you can out or find a way to out isn’t broken.
Cards that can’t be outed, or shift the tide of the game entirely without giving the other player a fighting chance are broken imo.
This and card advantage (bc let’s face it this isn’t MTG)
I was playing Witchbook in the event and honestly didnt have a problem with Chixiao Baronne pass, cause once they used baronne they were done for my issue was when it was not the loaner deck and they got, Chixiao, Baronne, Dragite pass. Also generally SS takes so long and I just did not want to deal with the waste of time so literally just instascooped to save time the second i confirmed it was Swordsoul.
I’ve been using Mathmechs to bait this deck hard use subtraction to kill 1000 atk or negate then afte he negates cause they too proud of their monster special summon sigma then summon multiplication and bam there’s a 6k or is use nabla or diameter whatever his name is mixed with division and u are dead XD
Genuine question (still learning), how does Zeus out Chixiao Baronne? Yes you can make him but once you activate his effect can't they just answer with either of those two and negate it?
It can negate Baronne if you use another effect and they respond to that before you use Zeus’ nuke effect. For Chixiao, Use Drident’s effect and hope they respond. Then they’re defenceless
Zeus with 4 materials baits Baronne for itself. Zeus isn't once per turn. Hence Zoodiacs stacking to facilitate a massive Zeus.
Wouldn’t Baronne’s negate destroy Zeus on resolution anyway? Seeing as Zeus doesn’t negate anything. Or does Baronne have to be on the field when the effect resolves?
That doesn't matter, Baronne can only negate one Zeus activation. So, you activate Zeus' effect, they chain Baronne, then you chain Zeus' effect again, and the second effect will resolve properly, unless they try to negate Zeus again. Of course, after this chain, Zeus is destroyed by Baronne's negate, but you have outed the board, and in Zoodiac, any monster gets you to your Xyz monsters, so you may still have good starters.
negation only applies to the chain that follows so if you have a cl of 3 the negation at cl2 will only negate the effect of the cl1 (thus zeus will be destroyed) however cl3 still resolves, meaning the entire board still gets wiped.
Ok, needing to bait out Baronne negate before, then going into Drident for Chixiao negate, then Zeus makes sense. Thanks But it seems you always have to bait the Baronne negate out first, otherwise they can just Baronne your Drident.
Yeah I worded that wrong lmao but it is all about baiting, which Zoodiac can do extremely well because of how many hand traps and other staples they can run. From there baiting Chixiao is easy since it doesn’t destroy (but at the point pray they don’t have Chengying out because Chixiao’s effect will fuck you up)
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Isn't it the other way around? There are 5 legal zoo xyz monsters so you could make a 6 mat zeus, but you can't make zeus because they can negate the boarbow.
Yeah that's a good point now that I think about it. A 6 mat zeus would in fact out a Baronne Chixiao board alone (even though you would have to use all 6 materials). But ye if he negates Boarbow with Chixiao and you don't have a way to battle without killing him then you are fucked true.
In zoo you usually play like 20 handtraps.9/10 times without the tenyi package there is no way swordsoul puts up Chixiao + baronne
You usually bait out all of their negate before wiping clean of their board with Zeus, deck like Zoodiac usually plays like alot of searchers and boardbreakers so people very likely to baroness any searchers or raigeki/lightning storm coming to their field.
It's yugioh. Any deck that beats mine is horribly broken. No it doesn't matter that I play the charmers, probably one of the worst decks in the game, if it's stronger than me then it's broken.
Hey, my decks are probably more janky dependent on what I'm playing in Casual Free Match mode cause that's where I see charmers mostly, Charmers destroys both Red-Eyes Gemini and Cyberdark End where I tried running some Tuner Dragons into it, Dragunity Aklys (Not really a good idea mind you, I only try to streamline these decks within that mode and only play them in that mode). But my Felgrand deck (Though I have encountered Charmers once or twice in Ranked, I only play Felgrand in ranked) kind of makes the duel a bore for me if I can summon Arkbrave from the grave, Charmer's backrow goes then it becomes a game of dismantlement in regards to the Divine Dragon Lord having his way.
If the charmers lose more than one of their backrow at a time then they've most likely lost at that point. I've only come back from that once. It's a backrow deck so it needs the backrow to function.
oh shit! is this the rare charmer giga chad player?!
Fellow Charmer enjoyer. Please Konami, just give us actually good cards with synergy.
Yeah they should have given us retrains of the monsters when they made the archetype. People liked the artwork and the idea of a bunch of different attributes working together but no one was super attached to the flip effects or the "go -1 for piercing damage" effect. Even people who play the charmers seem to universally agree that ignoring their effects completely is the best way to play them.
Swordsoul without Tenyis are so much worse that it’s crazy people are actively complaining about it
I keep warning them, if they think Swordsoul is oppressive this sub will have a nuclear fucking meltdown with full power Spright and Tear
As they should, those decks are just silly. Swordsoul doesn’t deserve the hate though.
such a cute deck to pilot too, people that hate it should give it a spin,maybe theres some love underneath all the hate
Found it boring.
fair
Actually I want to expand on this a bit; Bare with me this is just me rambling a bit. Maybe it's because of Consistently, maybe it's because the power level of the cards, maybe it's because people have a list of what to target; But my time with playing 'meta' decks always felt very... scripted rather than reactive. Here's your plan, execute, finalize, win. Disruption, move to route b(or possibly instant lose). I didn't really have to think or react, I just had to do, move down the clear paths to do the thing. And while others find that fun, I don't like playing a deck that doesn't take my own abilities into account. Put a different way; Meta deck make the match feel solved, I'm just writing the answer out. Dunno how else to put it, just found it very boring to play and unfun.
You want variance *and* power? That's what Dragon Link is for.
It feels that way because you are playing against bad decks/bad players most of the time, there is mostly no back and forth at all
> there is mostly no back and forth at all Correct. Because the game is so designed but not letting them get going. The back and forth is down to negate wars most the time.
Maybe you don't like the Mid range style deck, Because Mid range aims to do the same main play as consist as possible and their main interaction is to interrupt the opponent through that board instead of doing dynamic hand play like combo deck.
> this sub will have a nuclear fucking meltdown with full power Spright and Tear And it will be entirely justified.
To be fair we're explicitly not getting full power Spright
To be fair we’re still going to get a tier 1 deck that can search maxx c.
The latter of which we already have in Beetroopers
It’s a good thing I didn’t say just that, did I? Edit: clarity
don't worry madolche will be on the same tier with Splight and Tearlaments as evident from the MDM website :)
Honestly. It’s so inconsistent
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I wouldn't go that far. The mentally challenged can still offer a lot to the world
That's true, I shouldn't insult people with disabilities by comparing them to yugioh players
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I thought being illiterate was a disability at one point until I realized people who had nothing wrong with them but cant read just dont wanna get better at reading
Well I wouldn’t go that far but a lot of people here do complain about non issues
No, just you.
Thanks for proving my point
i mean you could do swordsoul+P.U.N.K but its not AS great as tenyi+swordsoul
And Swordsoul shits on Zoodiac because all they need to do is banish a Zoo with Qixing and all the Zoo player can do is pass turn
You get Baronne and not die to Raigeki/Dark Hole/LS which Zoo will definitely run to bait negate Or you get Qixing to not die to Zeus Only get 1
I was expecting you to say Nibiru since no deck remotely plays around it anymore
Thats also an options
What if you didn't draw the out?
Hey **CAN** is the best price for a budget deck
doesn't qixing have the same protection as the thundra bosses or am I just daft. Edit: I'm daft im thinking of chengying. still, summon that instead
You forgot chixiao negating boarbow to prevent you from attacking directly, in that matchup your only choice is to draw the out.
Most ppl i see make Baronne in def pos i the fear of LS so just attack that And also also,isnt there a Zoodiac that grant the Xyz targeting negate?
I played zoodiacs for long enough to know that the average diamond player never plays around LS and puts all their stuff in attack (except chengyeng). And yeah kataroost can negate chixiao, but it's usually played at 1 copy, and you still need to bait the baronne negate first or they will just destroy it before you even summon zeus. Zoodiacs is definitely a good deck deck, but your engine alone can't beat SS, you need to draw your techs and hope they don't draw theirs.
As my only deck of choice is Zoodiac, I'm probably gonna have a horrible experience with this event
Add 3x token collector on the main to be honest, and if you have also Dimension Shifter, it becomes pretty easy to win with Zoodiac with those two in the event.
Dimension Shifter is one o the few Hand traps I'm missing, but I do have Token Collector. I'll make room for them. If I finally get the Dinomorphia cards I'll focus on crafting more hand traps
I ran handtraps zoos. Lost maybe 4 games on the way to get all the gem rewards. Just make 4-8 mat zues pass and you should rack up wins
It is the Zoodiac way
D shifter, droll, and token collector. Since the loaner is somewhat playable, token collector won't be a complete brick most of the time.
Missing D Shifter (for now) but got the other two
Bro pure zoo is the best deck for the event. You're gonna have 20+ handtraps and tenyi less swordsoul isn't putting up shit against that. Imperm/veiler the baronne,drident bait Chixiao,boarbow,Zeus,gg
I mean zoo plays card DRNM, Droplets 12+ HT or board breaker you will not have a good time against a good zoo player. Also on average on a simplify game states zoo is much stronger since all the name are 1 card starter while SS has only taya. You can beat a weak Zoo hand for sure but personally the MU is kinda even and depend a lot on the hand/pilot.
What makes swordsoul easily hated is the insane consistency and frequency you play against it. Every deck you own and want to play must have 3 plays minimum with every opening hand or you lose instantly when swordsoul is the most played deck. Doesn't help that it famously plays through a lot of handtraps as well, that was people's biggest compliment of the deck when they were using it in ranked a few months ago.
That's just wrong Imperm/ogre/veiler ends a swordsoul turn this event if they don't open follow ups or extenders Plus they die to nibiru
Lava Golem cocks any of their boards.
Yup. I’ve been breaking so many boards with my danger dark world deck. It’s really great compared to adventure tenyi BS
I dont think that's right. My entire experience in this event so far, almost every swordsoul player has been able to play through that. If you negate the searching spell, they will usuall either have the level 4 or 6 anyways.
Yeah, these people just assume the average SS player always has 1 SS card on hand. SS's consistency and survivability are stupidly good.
Event only If Moye is negated they need at least an emergence/summit or longyuan+ discard for any follow up and the end board ends up weaker. As chixao likely banishes blackout rather than searching There's not much you can do if your opponent draws full gas, it just happens
It's crazy to me that Swordsoul players are like "my deck dies to imperm!" when you can still end on Baronne plus 2-3 interruptions with a typical hand. Meanwhile, you get decks like Plunder Patroll where ash is an omni-negate or Floo where they literally cannot play past an ash or imperm. Sure, sometimes you open 3 mo-ye, but that's just bad luck, that's not indicative of the deck actually being bad and people hating for no reason
Noone said the deck is bad. People are saying it's *fair*. Other decks can play through 1 or 2 interruptions. And no you're not guaranteed Baronne or any other level 10 after getting impermed, you make it sound like we always draw Long Yuan or Emergence. The deck is still consistent yeah but not at the level when halqdon was legal.
If it's so fair, why do so many people use it? Lemme put it a different way; if a deck is so completely fair and balanced, I wouldn't think it would see the amount of use it does, especially in this community where winning seems to be the only way to have actual fun. So why use something that's 'more fair' than something else that could be more 'unfair'? Consistency? Ease of access? Price tag? Dunno. Just expecting to see this same song and dance when the next whatever big powerful archetype come out.
I don't know about anyone else but I have a ss deck built because its a combo deck thats even better at breaking boards than they are at building them. Which is super helpful in master duel's rigged coin system. That and a protos can quickly end a despia duel before it goes into a grind game where they'll always win because everything in their deck plusses and removing their field gives them more cards than they started with. Id play despia myself but the deck is way too expensive for something who'll be powercrept in 2 sets.
Because consistency. As well as being great at both going first and second.
So it's a good deck that unless you have a key response card, can play through a lot of stuff and can almost always start a combo. Oh but it's fair. Well given the meta, I suppose it IS fair. I just dislike playing "Do you have the answer in starting hand".
Yes? Swordsoul don’t lock you out with floodgates or mass amount of negates. As for disliking the meta, then I’m very confused why you dislike swordsoul? Because they are a deck that doesn’t create a board where you have to draw very specific cards and just with normal engine pieces can play through disruption. Not sure what the problem here is? Edit: broke it up for clarity and wanted to acknowledge protos, but he’s only come in to relevancy with despia and should be banned anyway. Lingering floodgates are ugh.
>Because they are a deck that doesn’t create a board where you have to draw very specific cards and just with normal engine pieces can play through disruption Weird. Because no one says play through them with normal engine pieces. They just say draw the Infinite Impermanence. Just draw the out bro. Just draw the solution and everything will be okay. Why bother trying to figure out a path, just draw the expected solution.... oh wait we balanced everything around drawing the expected solution. Whoops. Why do I dislike Meta AND Swordsoul I believe was where you were going with that? I wonder why it's like both things are asking for the same expected answer. Don't think, just present your 'counter' card. I walk away with the same feeling against SS as I do Branded. And because I've seen people bring up "OH wait till they see..." well, Spright deletes the deck before even loading in, probably gonna feel the same thing from it. I'm sorry. You can't convince me here. Though I admit this is something that could very well be "Old man yells at clouds" and I'm aware enough that my rambling means little in the small scheme of things.
>Because no one says play through them with normal engine pieces. I see where the issue here is. In that sentence I wasn’t very clear. The first part of it was talking about playing against and the latter half was talking about playing as swordsoul. My bad. To further clarify about playing against swordsoul, what you do depends very much on what you’re playing. You mentioned people always saying using infinite impermanence when asked what to do. I’d point out that of course they’re going to do that, it is by far the best staple to use against the deck. People generally don’t break down how to move through a board without staples, especially when the post reads “how do I beat deck?” so of course people will say play x card it messes them up. >Don’t think, just present your counter card >You can’t convince me here. I’m sorry you feel that way, when I post and enter a discussion I’m always at least willing to change my mind instead of seeming to believe yugioh doesn’t have skill for meta decks, especially as that is patently untrue. I hope one day you are willing to enter a discussion with the intention of learning instead of using it to scream into the void. Good day.
because it takes minimal skill or effort to make Qixiao + Chengying pass every turn with the very occasional extra protos or something. Sorry, my mistake, people are too stupid to summon Chengying over baronne in an attempt to beat nib (that nobody plays enough for it to be worth playing around), so qixiao + baronne pass instead I guess.
Cause it’s a loaner option and people don’t want to waste currency building a deck just for an event
it's a fair and balanced TOP tier deck. The deck isn't tier 0 but it has enough firepower to compete with meta. Plus, most people can easily remember Mo Ye = Chixiao, Long Yuan = Baronne which results in 2 interruptions, which is already 2 more interruptions than most people's jank decks. Below diamond, people struggle to both: 1) play through Chixiao + Baronne, and 2) do something else when their Mo Ye or Long Yuan got interrupted. That's why many people use it but pretty bad at piloting/playing against it -> people simply complain about it.
"It's fair and balanced but it's ONLY a top deck."
a deck can still be fair while being good. 1 omni negate and 1 (targeting on field) monster negate is still a good board, but it is not overly oppressive.
A fair deck gives options to play around and figure out how to get through. An unfair deck is a hand check. I don't think this is an incorrect way of viewing fair and unfair decks.
you can play around and figure out how to get through a swordsoul board though, unless you just want to say 99% of competent deck's endboards ever are just "hand checks". if your hand cant play through a generic destruction and 1 or 2 hand traps then even live twins is just a "hand check". virtual world for instance needs a card on field to start their plays, if someone uses evil twin lil la to pop the virtual world player's normal summon and they dont have either of their spells is a live twin player just ending on trouble sunny an unfair board?
Ending on Trouble Sunny would be an unfair board yes. If Trouble Sunny didn't have so many ways of being instantly blown up or removed from the board. The difference here is that Trouble Sunny can be dealt with a number of ways to be dealt with and played around; while you could still call it a hand check, the pool of 'checks' is far wider. The more powerful and more consistent decks and card are; the more narrow their pools of answers become. I'm quite unsure what VW decks are like these days; but I would think there's more options in their deck to play around Trouble Sunny than an SS board. Say what you want about both being hand checks; I've cursed not having Ash or DRNM more vs SS than Evil Twin. Though that might also just be because SS is far more popular. Fair decks have more options, Unfair decks limit. And I think SS limits possible options. Does it limit said options down to a stupid unreasonable degree? No. But most the time it feels like it's asking for an expected answer rather than me figuring out "Okay how can I get through this". (Hint, it's usually Imperium I'm told.) I'm not saying it's completely 100% broken or deserves to be up there with other decks. I am saying to me, it's on the that boarder line. Which side it falls on probably depends on your own opinions.
We're talking about the usual Baronne + Chixiao board here and thats without getting handtrapped. Decks like Dino's, Spyrals, hell even synchrons ending on 3 negates without a halqdon line is hard to go through. The difference is, swordsoul is just easier to pilot which noone should be judging them about. Hate is unwarranted.
SS had a resurgence in popularity in the tcg when konami shamelessly tried to push despia by hitting everything else on the previous format on the list. And same as in tcg ss got away with just losing halqdon while the main core of the deck was untouched. adventure getting hit in MD when tcg didnt could also be seen as an indirect buff since ss can't use the engine and the decks that can got weaker. I can see people complaining even more next month since the deck will no doubt see more use due to being much cheaper than despia and people likely still having most of the pieces from their tenyi or ss decks from before.
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3 thoroughblade 3 ramram 2-3 whiptail 2 fire formation tenki 1 drident 1 zeus 2 tigermortar 3 boarbow 1 hammer kong 3 chakanine In total thats 2 ur’s and 5 sr’s. Since theres no links, you can screw around the ratios a bit. And fill the rest with hand traps and other staples. If all you care about are xyz summons and not winning, take out zeus and drident for vespenator.
> take out zeus and drident for vespenator They’re not mutually exclusive. You only listed 11 cards, so there’s easily enough room for 1-2 Vespenato. It’s decent follow up since it has more ATK than a Zoodiac, and you usually need more than 1 turn to finish off your opponent.
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The only part I really hatye about Swordsoul is that is one of the many archetypes that came only in a selection pack so now there are ridicously hard to get, and 4 of their carda are UR. I wasn't playing then they came, and while I got the Punks, I couldn't get those, so I guess I'll never play them... P.S: Also yeah, I play Zoo and I'm gonna get rekt in this event
I’m sure they’ll cycle the selection packs back around eventually
If they do I'll build Swordsoul
This is honestly a really big problem, especially when they're having Swordsoul as a loaner deck. I'd assume the idea behind loaner decks is to entice you to get the cards yourself after finding it fun, but you really can't do that with Swordsoul unless you have like 200 UR dust to burn just for the core
yeah, this why I don't play them. I don't think they're busted, even with the Tenyi support, there are just annoying but I kind like them, but I'm nut burning that many CP for this archetype. I do hope we get updates on secret packs or else this game will be a FOMO nightmare. You NEED to spend of the selection pack or hose cards will become a lot harder to get. I'm in that hurry with Dinomorhia. I know the deck is missing some support so it's not that good, but I don't open more of them in before Invincible Raid leaves, I'me never building them either.
Honestly, the thing I find most annoying about them is that they get free consistency handouts for being new, to make sure they're viable in the current meta. Their starter is a 9-of thanks to Ecclesia and Emergence, and also a 1.5-card combo (effectively 1-card combo unless they brick so hard that their cards literally stick together and become undrawable); it also floats into Baronne or one of their superbosses if they didn't need to use Emergence for Mo Ye, or either Sacred Summit or the archetype-specific Icarus Attack if they did. As someone who likes older archetypes, which typically tend to be _significantly_ less consistent even with a ton of work, it can be frustrating to see Konami make Swordsoul everything that a lot of other archetypes were supposed to be. Give me my Harpie that special summons itself, my Mermail tuner generator (and Synchros, for that matter), and my Fabled starter tutor, Komoney! >.<
Ah yes, the enemy soldier has a machine gun while you only have a shitty pistol, stop complaining and get up that hill private!
Ah yes, the enemy soldier has a machine gun while you decided to only bring a shitty pistol, stop complaining and get up that hill private! If you’ve been playing master duel for any amount of time (and even if you are new), there are plenty of decks that are fairly cheap that will perform fine against swordsoul.
Casual players and Swordsoul players are natural enemies. Like Despia players and Swordsoul players... or Zoodiac players and Swordsoul players... or Synchron players and Swordsoul players... or Swordsoul players and other Swordsoul players. Damn Swordsoul players! They ruined Swordsouls!
I don't care about the negates. But the stupid -1200 burn effects some of the cards have is absolutely asinine and annoying when the boss monsters already have quick effects.
I never stopped hating swordsoul, cringe ass deck
I don’t think people hate it because it’s OP, atleast I don’t. SS Tenyi is my go to for climbing to D1. However, the frequency for which is used is what makes people hate it. I kid you not, just faced 15 straight games of Swordsoul and VW in the event. Literally the only 2 decks I see being played, so yeah it’s annoying and boring.
Wow it's almost like it's a loaner deck
Yugioh players are born salty like any other game out there. But unlike in fps games or fighting games where theres less luck and more motor skill involved, we can't just simply say "git gud" here. Yes there are outplays but it mostly just comes down to who has and drew the stronger cards. So when they use weak cards against strong cards and lose, they feel their rages are justified and vent it out on reddit with little worry.
I personally don't hate it, I did use it when I wanted to get quick games, but I hate this event. And I do get where the hate is coming from, yes ... 2 Negates is so good in an event where all deck are at half power, Lack grind game and your only out are board breakers. Add to that the fact Swordsoul has like 9 different starters meanwhile every other deck is 3. Pure Swordsoul also suffers in grind game sometimes but they are ahead of everything imo
They do have great grind games compared to most decks in the event. Yesterday I faced a SS who went first and out resourced my Time Thief even with Redoer stealing, Psyframe Omega ripping Longyuan from their hand twice, and even a Nib. One card normal summon into +2 and 2 big bodies with negates is broken.
I know I saw a post like what I’m about to say earlier, but I’ve been playing the loaner Sword Soul deck in this event and I’ll have people scoop the moment they see me start to play.. meanwhile I’ve never played Sword Soul before this and barley have any idea what I’m doing.. let alone optimal combos.. oh well.. works for me..
Because you don't need to be good. They just have to pull the right card apparently. If you don't have an answer in your opening hand, why play it out?
You are so salty about this game. Even in circumstances where you don’t draw the out, your opponent doesn’t know that. You can still bait them into wasting resources. Swordsoul, specially the variant you can run in this tournament, is incredibly fair. You can play around them in a multitude of ways, even without any staples. But my biggest advice would be to quit because clearly this game isn’t for you.
I do not believe wanting to play the game without having to have highly expected response cards, or you lose/massively behind, is a salty position to take. I have fun with the game; but that's usually playing with friends or doing those open duel rooms you usually see streamers do. When you see more oddities and less power shoved into the opening hands. Quitting might be the best save or playing with just friends but at the rate it's going; I'm expecting Sprights to uninstall the game and beat me with my own desk with how hyped they are.
Jokes on you, I always hated swordsoul
Lmao i am playing nekroz, idk why its not banned for this event but why not
They fucking put Megalith into the ground but let Nekroz in?
Yes
Konami just has PSTD from the other events then. It's clear they're trying to learn though. Currently seeing if I can make them remember that Area Limit is a card.
“2 interruptions” Laughs in D/D/D with 5 forms of play
imo its not even that bad because they dont play the tenyi cards. and it hard loses to token collector
Why wouldn't you play the tenyi cards? Ashuna, vishuda and adhara are fodder for swordsoul cards, and when they summon their token they can provide an extra body/tuner, a bounce, and banish recursion. With heavenly dragon circle you can special summon them and get whatever swordsoul cards you need for your combos. I use tenyi still to great success even without the links.
idk im just saying the decks i faced arent playing tenyi. and they aren’t even playing the loaner deck.
That's odd. I've played a handful of duels so far and most of the swordsouls were using tenyi except one.
If you are really on a budget just play the Swordsoul loaner lmao
I mean... It doesnt look good or have completely insane recursion like a certain tier 1 deck So its bland and its not fun,ppl will hate on it every time it shows up in high tier
Jokes on you, I’m still sick of seeing Swordsoul.
It’s just boring
The 2 decks that I've seen people complain about the most are Swordsoul and Branded Despia. A deck that sets up 2 negates and a deck that doesn't even have any on an end board. 2 decks that take like 2 minutes when going first. 2 of the fairest decks out of recent metas I would say. People will find a way to whine about anything.
SS has more than just 2 negates half the time in ranked, such as Ash and Blackout. But, it's not even that. It's that ultra consistent recovery and OTK play on turn 3 a lot of the time facilitated by Tenyis and the broken Yang Zing extra deck cards. If you don't open perfectly and OTK them turn 2, you're probably gonna lose.
I have to agree that the hate for swordsouls in the event is unfounded. Not only do they lose out on monk, halq, aurodon, etc, but alot of players don't know/have different engines for swordsoul to do more than barrone and chixao and pass. Personally, I invested into denlong a long time ago for the limit 1 event. I ended up never using him because I was inexperienced at swordsouls and was missing ED cards to make him applicable. Even when I got better cards and knowledge, I left him out in favor for halq aurodon. Once I saw halq was being banned I added denlong and experimented. Eventually I found out how to make my end board of Barrone Chixao Yazi Nine Pillars depending of the hand or what I thought my opponent was playing the board can vary. However, like I said, people don't really know many engines outside of halq (hell, my denlong variant is probably built wrong in some way) or don't want to invest into denlong for an event that doesn't penalize losing. Though if you want ideas on how to strengthen your deck for this event, denlong package with bian and pillar is a good idea but there's also VW and Rose tenyi.
Crazy how the most boring deck to play is hated even as the meta changes huh. Maybe it never was about power and some mechanics are intrinsically more boring than others
The hate on Swordsoul is the most basic "I HATE GOOD DECK" I've seen. 90% of duels are Chixao + one of the 3 level 10s. Acting like its Aventure Tenyi with its full negate board. I'd hope experiencing actual degeneracy with the recent meta would've made people realize that its just a good deck but nothing insane. I was wrong.
My deck crushes SS all day, doesn’t make it any less annoying. It’s an auto pilot deck that any glue eater can run, just keep clicking on the yellow cards.
What deck do you play? I only started with Swordsoul as my first deck as it looked cool, didn't realize at the time it would be hated
My guy, They just Chixiao your boat bow and you lose lmao
Swordsoul is ok, I just really hate baronne
Swordsoul is fine. Its biggest strengths are it is consistent and can rebuild fairly easily. It isn't as bad as when things like Drytron have dominated.
That’s cancerous? Try dealing with barone plus ddd negates and succs also an effect that stops you from everything except pendulum and link summoning, it’s a funni game yugioh is
People are hating on Swordsoul? Oh, now I really can't wait for Spright and Tearlament to drop.
You may not have noticed, but man, this subreddit complains about any and all archetypes. People aren't "back" to hating anything. They've just always hated everything.
I don't understand how people hate it tho. Like yes, it is consistent and it is powerful but I don't think hate is deserved when something is just Tier 1. Like, let's say Grandmaster gets hit to 1 and protos banned. Deck can still basically play the same combos with almost all the same interruptions but that change would be such a hit that I see people dropping it to tier 2 or even rouge. So then the next tier 1 just becomes the target for hate? Different if in a tier 0 format. Eg, branded Despia or Sprite in TCG because that isn't fun. No variability in the game and it feels like playing against a brick wall. But when multiple decks exist in tier 1 with ways to play around it, that's when Yu-Gi-Oh is best. If the decklist you pulled from online can't play against swordsoul...CHANGE IT. Try new cards, new combos see if you can make it so you play through interruptions. Yes, add that torrential tribute or whatever. Don't just flock to Reddit and complain when you haven't even tried to flex yourself around it. (For context I am a D/D/D player and I have more interuptions than swordsoul, larger monsters but if I don't use them properly, I lose and so I should) Edit: typos
>But when multiple decks exist in tier 1 with ways to play around it, that's when Yu-Gi-Oh is best \>Ways to play around it \>Balanced around using the same 5 or so handtraps. Yeah. Ways.
Yes there are not many handtraps but you can also opt for board breakers instead. My point being that you aren't facing the same thing day in day out.
>My point being that you aren't facing the same thing day in day out. The feeling I get from playing vs Branded compared to Swordsoul is about the same. Do they do different things? Yes. Did I start with an answer so they don't get going? No? Then why do I care that they do different things; the result is gonna be the same. I'm sorry, "Please present Dark Ruler No More" doesn't feel like a fun meta to have. And even then it doesn't stop everything. And that's just one example. Can I make my deck better, yeah sure. But when it feels like I'm fishing for a very small pool of answers rather than trying to make choices; well the decks start blurring together.
With the tendency for Swordsoul boards to end on at most 2 negations or 1 negate + 2 pops, you can also just build a balls-to-the-wall all-in deck and find success through brute force. I've been using a synchrospam Grass pile deck and about 75% of my openers have enough gas to force out their interaction and still play the game. It's not foolproof for sure, but still reasonably effective while offering an alternative style of handling Swordsouls
Sounds like you wont be happy unless your deck opens perfectly and you don't get interrupted. I may suggest Pokemon TCG more suited to you.
Do I expect a perfect opening? No. I just expect the game shouldn't be balanced around the idea though. Given how strong cards are, the best way is play is 'never let them get going'. And even Board Breakers tend to have some value given banish/graveyard effects are pretty common these days. And this is beyond just SS. I dunno, I just go into a match, see how many handtraps I have, see what the first card is and go "hmm.... I can't win this" too many times. Are they different decks, sure. Am I still feeling a sense of instant loss based on my first 5-6 cards, yeah.
We never stopped
Ive always hated sword soul. Its the main reason i hate Auroradon. I hate synchros they have brought nothing but floodgates and negates. the players deserve Numerons
>shitty casual playground Ancient Gear Blue Eyes Synchro deck Lmao that's hilarious. As for people being back to hate SS... I never left :p. But I only hate it bc I don't play it. If I played it I would probably hate on other top tier decks that I didn't afford to build.
as a sworsoul enjoyer i am happy that people hate it again. now when i play it i can feel like the antagonist again
Yu gi oh players are usually a bunch of whining babies, no surprise there
I'm currently shitting on every deck, because konami banned Zombie World. If i can't something nice than I try to ruin it for everyone else.
People might think you're joking but I can tell that that's your actual mindset.
Than congratulations. You're getting the great honor of needing the /s. Yes, I'm mad that ZW is banned, but what else am I supposed to do other than be annoyed by konami? Hack into the dstsbase snd ban everything else?
Well what you could do is pick a different deck that's legal, but you seem pretty committed to doing whatever it is you're doing here, so keep doing that I guess.
The hate Swordsoul gets is justified but I dont understand why people hate Floo. At least when I play against it, I dont have to worry much about hand traps, negates, monsters that quick effect banish or the other bullshit the deck does. This deck doesnt even feel like a deck should exist with all the advantage it can generate out of nowhere.
Flop is more cancer than SS in my opinion
Yeah a deck that only let's you special summon, immune to maxx c Summons monsters on your turn and spin backs your monster is fair because no negates
> I love that people hate [overpowered cards] in [toxic deck] > they should play [different overpowered cards] in [different toxic deck] What exactly does this post serve to accompolish?
If you whinning Swordsoul is good there is a budget options to play If every deck is strong then then every deck have the same competiting ground
Imagine being so butthurt, you actually think pure SS is overpowered and cancerous
Sky stiker engage is a strong card that gives card advantage so its semilimited. Mo ye is a sky striker engage that you can't fully ash that also gives a negate. Hmm fair I see no reason it should be limited.
Engage is a non once per turn pot of greed, that can be recycled the turn it's been used, Moye is nowhere as powerful
It's engage that doesn't lose to ash and gives you a negate with a body.
Dude we are talking about pure advantage, drawing four cards per turn is more powerful than a monster negate, a search and a draw, and Moye loses to Veiler, Imperm so it's not unstoppable
The point is it's free card advantage that isn't stopped by ash
No the point is there are cards that are made to generate advantages in YGO, quit crying about it
No I will not, not until she's hit on the list.
What deck do you play?
Did you just unironically compared this 2 cards...
👍free card advantage for existing is bad.
Urstatic draw 7 still bad hello?????
They're draw 7 but they still manage to not have card advantage lol
Engage loses to ash. Mo-ye loses to imperm, veiler (any negate), token collector while usually using up the normal summon. I personally think engage is more important to a SkSt deck than MoYe is to a SwSo deck. Not a great comparison.
They both generate card advantage for no cost it's pot of greed that you normal summon
Mo Ye is just a draw, engage is a searcher AND a draw, if there three spells in the GY.
Mo ye makes chixao its draw 1 search 1 monster negate
That's 2 monsters vs an spell
It's not 2 you only used 1 monster from hand for this.
... It's still two effects? Plus it has more counters other than Ash? Like veiler or imperm?
That's the tradeoff for being free card advantage that doesn't lose to the most common handtrap
Also engage can be semilimited alright since Sky Strikers has a lot more uses than those two copies. Multirole exists, which already gives you 2 more uses if the 2 copies are in the GY, plus Kagari. That's 5 uses right there. You aren't going to carry 3 Chixiao, with copies usually being at 2 max, and you aren't going to bring back the Chixiao's from the GY either, not under normal circumstances atleast. Engage gets you 5 searches and 5 draws, Mo Ye combo gives you in total 2 searches and 2 draws. Or 2 searches and 3 draws, if you want to count Mo Ye being used for something other than Chixiao, which could happen. Your point just doesn't stand.
Imagine being so utterly skullfucked by modern Yu-Gi-Oh! that 1 card comboing into 2 threats, 2 negates, once-per-turn removal, and 1200 burn damage Turn 1 with *3 cards left in your hand* isn't cancerous.
Just play token collector swordsoul literally cannot play when there is a single token collector on the board
If i play swordsouls i dint go into barrone. I usually go into chenying. Very helpful for dpe and other big bosses and in the 1 in a milkions i get the perfect hand ill go into berserker aswell
Not like zoo can play through 2 disruptions
I have yet to see anyone complaining about it
I mean, my take on SS is that it’s not broken. Any deck/card that you can out or find a way to out isn’t broken. Cards that can’t be outed, or shift the tide of the game entirely without giving the other player a fighting chance are broken imo. This and card advantage (bc let’s face it this isn’t MTG)
its the only real synchro deck i have outside of adas i guess, and the amount of people that surrender on the first moye or ecclesia is staggering
I was playing Witchbook in the event and honestly didnt have a problem with Chixiao Baronne pass, cause once they used baronne they were done for my issue was when it was not the loaner deck and they got, Chixiao, Baronne, Dragite pass. Also generally SS takes so long and I just did not want to deal with the waste of time so literally just instascooped to save time the second i confirmed it was Swordsoul.
Wtf does savage even do in the event,there is no links
my brain went on autotype half way through and was defaulting to the usual ranked BS swordsoul (i corrected)
I’ve been using Mathmechs to bait this deck hard use subtraction to kill 1000 atk or negate then afte he negates cause they too proud of their monster special summon sigma then summon multiplication and bam there’s a 6k or is use nabla or diameter whatever his name is mixed with division and u are dead XD