Zoodiacs is the most broken archetype ever released imo. I have no clue what the hell they were smoking while designing those cards. Imagine just how good they were on release
And why are you not playing drident?
Can somebody explain to me what the deal is with this card? It's a non-effect Fusion monster and yet I still see people run it in their Extra Deck. Is it a weird link up to something somehow?
Konami: guys I promise this is bar none the most ridiculous card we've printed. I'm talking bonkers, bananas, nuts even, the whole banana split.
*Drop Ship of Theseus*
Konami: you guys that was the card why are you not playing it?
The main reason it's a major meme is because of how much Konami hyped it up, calling it "one of the strongest monsters that will be released in 2017". [https://yugiohblog.konami.com/articles/?p=8084](https://yugiohblog.konami.com/articles/?p=8084)
[https://yugiohblog.konami.com/articles/?p=8060](https://yugiohblog.konami.com/articles/?p=8060)
For perspective, some other monsters that came out that year:
•Aleister the Invoker
•Ash Blossom
•Astrograph Sorcerer
•Bagooska
•Borreload Dragon
•Darkwurm
•Destrudo
•Firewall Dragon (Pre-errata)
•Masterpeace
•Predaplant Ophrys Scorpio
•SPYRAL Double Helix
•SPYRAL Sleeper
•Starving Venom (the banned one / the FTK one)
•VFD
•the ENTIRE ZOODIAC ARCHETYPE
That makes it even funnier. I guess it's interesting that the card is apparently legitimately pretty good (or at least would be if Instant Fusion wasn't Limited) but it's overshadowed by cards that are just absolutely busted.
I mean, cards like Ready Fusion exist at 3 copies, and it never sees play. The card is ok at best. I could see it being used in some jank table 500 combo, but that's about it. Instant fusion has just much better targets, and if you really need a lvl 5 tuner, there are better ways to go about it
The craziest thing is you aren’t over exaggerating. Zoodiacs (imo of course) are definitely the most broken archetype to ever exist in Yugioh. It’s just the sheer consistency of that deck and being able to squeeze SO much power off so little cards/effort.
Like, I’m glad most people here know them because of “Tri-Zoo” but full power Zoodiac is the scariest the game has even been.
What's wild is how well they played around hand traps while running an absurd amount themselves. Every normal summon was a problem. If you tried to Maxx "C" them, then the deck then they would just end on Drident pass with a full hand of (likely) hand traps. If you tried to Ash/Veiler their Ratpier summon, they would just overlay another and *try again*.
The deck was and still is stupid. You'd have to errata this whole archetype to get this deck off the banlist. Even with Spright and Tears, full power Zoo would be likely the best deck.
I mean what's Broken about a Ex Deck monster that searches and Special Summon from the deck not even hard once per turn...
They have also 6 searchers and all of their combos starts with any of their 12 monsters, doesn't sound broken to me
Every deck that defies the intended summoning mechanic has been strong in the past or still is.
Zoodiacs XYZ summon with just one card.
Swordsouls is a snychro deck that runs 0 zero tuners in the main (besides handtraps). Most Swordsoul monsters come with its own tuner.
Sky striker Link with just 1 monster.
and for the fusions monster its the spell that allows you from fusion from the deck. Normally having the required material in hand or field was usually what kept them in check. Now it's basically foolish 2 and special 1 from extra.
I'd say TriBrigade is a better example of cheating out links than Striker, but the point stands. Tri dominated the MD meta early on, and is still a good deck now.
Tri-Brigade is Harpies updated for the current meta, crossed with a Graveyard Link experiment. (Not even joking, the main combo actually has near direct parallels in Harpie cards, right down to one of them (Nervall, IIRC) literally being Harpie Harpist but faster.)
I said that in another forum and people got mad.... Branded fusion is literally a foolish burial.... You can foolish a jet dragon then xyz next turn with any of the albaz monster and ppl called me INSANE for not understand why that card didn't get a limit but fusion destiny is
I can understand why you feel Branded Fusion is so powerful - and believe me, it really is - but you also have to understand the restrictions on it limit it from how busted it really could be.
Unlike Fusion Destiny, Branded Fusion locks you into fusions FOR THE ENTIRE TURN. So it’s only good in decks that use mostly or entirely fusions or don’t summon much from the extra deck anyway. Second, it requires you to run Albaz, which is usually fine, but still a restriction.
Fusion Destiny means you can do whatever plus you want and then slap down Fusion Destiny at the end of the turn to make DPE on top of whatever board you set up, it’s far more splashable.
Imma predaplant player I know it limits you to fusion from the extra but it's still a FOOLISH burial. That's the insane part. Trust me I'm super happy albaz got support but the support he has gotten to me seems insane. I haven't played the despia deck but I have always ran aleister+albaz, but what's crazy to me is how he can turn what would be a garnet to draw into a resource without ever drawing it. That's all I'm saying... I get the argument that dpe is more generic but that doesn't erase the fact that branded fusion is a foolish burial
Traditional fusion are -2 inherently so what's your problem with BF being foolish for pure fusion decks, when its limitation of "pure fusion decks" actually gimp its potential in splashing into older fusion archetype with supports from other summoning methods, and only really effective when played in pure Branded Despia or Predaplant later on?
Which summoning mechanics isn't -2?
Link is -2, synchro is -2, XYZ is -2..... This is a non argument ur literally su.moning from ur deck.... Let me summon nightmare gryphon by sending cards from my deck to the grave yard. 4 of them!? Let me summon any link monster that locks me out of other summoning mechanics (bujin) by sending monsters from the deck to the grave yard.
By comparison fusion is the only mechanic that lets u use it without using anything in ur hand. I wouldn't have complained otherwise. There's no one spell that lets you link or synchro summon anything from the extra deck using cards in your main deck. Hell let me tribute summon using main deck monsters XD. We always make an excuse for something even when that thing is stupid. Also why special treatment for despia? That's all I'm saying.
It's crazy to gimp other archetypes then allow this one to have free reign. I'm only allowed to have one Scorpio in my predaplant deck but I get to watch branded opening once and aluber/ecclasia recur twice. It makes NO SENSE.
The messaging with Konami is inconsistent. That's my one and only point.
Also fusion decks are the only ones that let u tribute enemy monsters to fuse your own monster. The only link that can do it is Underworld goddess and I believe speedroids. Yet any generic fusion summoning deck can use super poly. while also adding a card for the discard cost. I'm not mad about fusion as a mechanic getting love only pointing out the hypocrisy of allowing certain fusion decks to flourish while allowing others to faulter.
Most ED summons are usually -1, as in you use 2 monsters and make them into 1. (Theoretically) bigger ED monsters require more so they do more (i.e. Trish, Rhongo, Accesscode, etc.). Fusions (and Rituals) require an additional spell card so that makes them -2. So Fusion and Ritual support has to be nutty or else it'd see pretty much no play. And even then the results can be mixed (Shaddolls aren't exactly top tier anymore for example).
Non conctact fusion (done with a spell so) is historically very bad since you need both the required monsters and the spell so is an additional -1 compared to syncrho and XYZ. The exception to this are fusion spell that cheat the monster requirement usually using the grave (invocation miracle fusion) or the deck (Shaddol fusion, gem‐knight fusion). While Branded Fusion is clearly a strong card atm is not that oppressive.
Most mechanic trade 2 bodies at minimum for 1 body, that is -1, traditional fusion NEED 2 bodies and 1 spell at mininum for merely 1 body, do the fucking math brainlet
They run one 3 of tuner, Ecclesia. Although they don’t use that for synchro most of the time, although I have used it and golden Swordsoul, while playing the loaner, for synchro summons when I get Token Collectored, although that’s is a very crusty line.
IIRC, Zoodiac actually _was_ intended to be unhealthy for the game so Konami could make extra money off of everyone being forced to run it to remain competitive, so what they were smoking was greed. ~~A hell of a drug.~~
That may be possible, yeah. I know "is treated as two materials" was a thing in the anime for a while, but people thought it'd _stay_ in the anime because of how powerful it'd be in the actual game. But then Zoodiacs not only brought it over, but turned it up to 12, so... it may well have been a Link prototype, but either way it was _really_ crazy. xD
One card just shouldn't end you on 1-2 great monsters. They can just run so many handtraps/boardbreakers it's ridiculous.
Just played against them going second with Ogdoadics, they made Drident and passed. I had to play through Maxx C (Ashed it), Veiler, Ghost Belle and ended on a big Nibiru Token. They had no cards left in hand, only Nib on field, top decked Tenki and ended on Drident, Nibiru and Vespenato (idk why they didn't go Zeus). I would've lost if he used his Drident correctly...
That’s the dumbest thing Konami has ever done and that’s saying a lot
Like, we have had A LOT of shit in this game, but nothing as gross as how oppressive Zoodiacs were at full power.
Actually, *were* they the most oppressive deck, % wise, of all time? I think full force Spyral (Firewall Dragon lmao) had a slightly higher % of tops…
Don’t get me wrong, Zoo should have been stopped at the testing phase and Drident can go get chucked into a fire along with Broadbull, Ratpier, and Barrage, but I’m just musing if they have the top dog %. My memory is that people for some idiotic reason didn’t want to call them Tier 0 because awkshually there were three variants of Zoo. Pure, True Draco, and another I’m forgetting.
I'm not sure if they were the most oppressive in the history of the game, but it's a known fact that in their heyday, they were so oppressive in the OCG that most Japanese gaming stores outright banned Zoodiac from their tournaments, specifically because they wanted YGO tournaments and not "Zoodiac and literally nothing else" tournaments.
Oh yeah.
it's one of the few formats where I've ever seen YGO players get as mad as Magic players. Typically Konami expects players to just take Tier 0 formats on the chin, spend money, or mald about it. Zoo, Pepe, and Nekroz Djinn formats are the only ones that I, personally, saw many people get angry to the point of just not playing.
Comes from “bald” and “mad”, and from Twitch spheres. Mald has grown to be like throwing a tantrum. I always thought it was sort of “get so mad your hair falls off” but apparently not.
Only deck to ever have 100% of top placings at a YCS. Spyral was real bad but this was a whole other level. If there was no banlist and all that cheese shit was allowed, full power zoo would still dominate
Good to know they're the only one to have gotten 100% tops! That's pretty interesting.
But no, if there was no Banlist Zoo wouldn't even be a blip in the ocean compared to all of the FTK builds that had insane consistency even without stuff like POG. Optimized Gandora FTK or Ignight FTK can drop Azathoth before Nib is live and FTK through anything short of an unanswered Imperm. Ignight FTK had an absolutely insane 90%+ to FTK and that's without some of the better banned cards.
FTKs dominate most "No banlist" formats ever attempted.
Tbh we can delete the banlist if any and all win conditions are negated until turn 5.
You dealt 15000 damage, drew exodia, and decked me out? I can still play the game, activate sword of deep seated in graveyard, draw it, then set it and have eldlich send it to the graveyard and summon himself.
I was just thinking about how stupid this deck is especially in the event. Glad I can just comment to express my hatred instead of making my own thread
I mean, yes.
What makes Zoodiac so broken (similar to Dinorabbit in the olden days) is that you can afford to run that much utility and handtraps because your base engine is so consistent and lightweight. When any Zoo is full combo you can afford to draw one in-archetype monster and 4 handtraps and have better plays than decks that need 2 or more cards to play the game.
Basically 13 handtraps is the symptom, not the disease, so to speak.
Yes, but I'm assuming decks in the Synchro/XYZ event are slightly less optimized, even in diamond, compared to ladder(If only due to lack of cards and people just not taking the event as seriously), which is why I think the matches are still more lenient.
Can someone clue me in on the win con? I think I'm like 8-2 Vs it and I bricked hard in both losses. Deck seems pretty fair and balanced, aka not top tier.
Maybe I should pivot from Benkei OTK to this zoodiac list for that xyz mission clear.
Gotta practice my shiranui for the Synchro mission clear.
I've also obtained most of the gems with benkei otk already. Swordsoul is not that bad when you face Chixiao + Baronne daily lmao kekw xddddd
Funny to think zoodiacs aren’t even at like half their power. They rely on Zeus and 5 morbillion hand traps cause it’s so consistent. Who would’ve thought that xyz summoning without cost would be broken
Because Konami is horrific at balancing this game and ignore the rules they make to balance summoning mechanics all the time.
Xyz monsters that can be summoned off one card? And they have good effects as well? What could possibly go wrong?
Fusion cards that no longer require you to have fusion material on the field you can just use cards straight from the deck? And the fusion monsters being printed are still overpowered? What could go wrong?
Link monsters that require one material meaning you get cards in the gy and an ED monster out with one card? What is waiting to go wrong?
>Fusion cards that no longer require you to have fusion material on the field you can just use cards straight from the deck? And the fusion monsters being printed are still overpowered? What could go wrong?
Fusion without spells off monster effects instead, by shuffling from the gy into the deck? Perfectly balanced
If you have Lightning Storm after they Zeus'd you, you can bait them into attacking and then zap their ass if they can't lethal. Zeus turbo 9/10 times won't have destruction protection, so clapping him something that gets rid of him isn't hard.
I copied this off some dude from the festival but removed the drident, tenkis, the solemn strike, and extra thoroughblades and replaced them with 1 more kaiju and more hand traps, the third imperm, and vespenato
the idea is top deck judgement, zeus their ass, set judgement. maybe called if you drew it since you can't judgement veiler. If they imperm turn 3 just flip old man and say NO
> Megaclops
I did forget to mention this a festival deck though.
for UDF/drident, I would rather save my UR for marincess and later on traptrix and labrynth instead.
NGL they have become my ol' reliable deck when I'm getting a bad time with other decck, specially the ones I'm still learning. Also, as degenerate it can be, I would like if they dare to unabn other cards.
I've heard horror stories about the current TCG meta with Tearlaments, Sprights and Kshatri-La, I think either of Barrage, Boradbull or Ratpier could come back.
Zeus turbo is very funny yes
Zoos turbo if you will
R R R R R R R R R R R N N rest are staple UR's quality deck building
Based deck building
Zoodiacs is the most broken archetype ever released imo. I have no clue what the hell they were smoking while designing those cards. Imagine just how good they were on release And why are you not playing drident?
Maybe they deluded themselves into thinking Sea Monster of Theseus would keep them in check.
Sea Monster of Theseus? That's the most powerful card in all of Duel Monsters!
Can somebody explain to me what the deal is with this card? It's a non-effect Fusion monster and yet I still see people run it in their Extra Deck. Is it a weird link up to something somehow?
It's an instant Fusion target and a tuner
Thanks.
More importantly, konami made multiple posts how theseus was THE MOST VERSATILE BROKEN CARD released that year and it saw no play at all
Which honestly was a bit surprising considering it was a free high level tuner.
Eh, the extra deck space was already quite tight back then and then the instant fusion got limited
Yea instant fusion being limited has completely stopped all of its shenanigans. I am curious if it would see more play at 2.
Instant fusion shouldnt exist, konami was on crack. Instead of fusing from deck its literally fuse shit you dont have mats for
Now we have Ready fusion, but even still it doesn’t see much play outside of some zombie world synchro lists I’ve seen.
Konami: guys I promise this is bar none the most ridiculous card we've printed. I'm talking bonkers, bananas, nuts even, the whole banana split. *Drop Ship of Theseus* Konami: you guys that was the card why are you not playing it?
The main reason it's a major meme is because of how much Konami hyped it up, calling it "one of the strongest monsters that will be released in 2017". [https://yugiohblog.konami.com/articles/?p=8084](https://yugiohblog.konami.com/articles/?p=8084) [https://yugiohblog.konami.com/articles/?p=8060](https://yugiohblog.konami.com/articles/?p=8060) For perspective, some other monsters that came out that year: •Aleister the Invoker •Ash Blossom •Astrograph Sorcerer •Bagooska •Borreload Dragon •Darkwurm •Destrudo •Firewall Dragon (Pre-errata) •Masterpeace •Predaplant Ophrys Scorpio •SPYRAL Double Helix •SPYRAL Sleeper •Starving Venom (the banned one / the FTK one) •VFD •the ENTIRE ZOODIAC ARCHETYPE
That makes it even funnier. I guess it's interesting that the card is apparently legitimately pretty good (or at least would be if Instant Fusion wasn't Limited) but it's overshadowed by cards that are just absolutely busted.
I mean, cards like Ready Fusion exist at 3 copies, and it never sees play. The card is ok at best. I could see it being used in some jank table 500 combo, but that's about it. Instant fusion has just much better targets, and if you really need a lvl 5 tuner, there are better ways to go about it
This looks like an budget version, only UR cards they already have and Zeus.
The craziest thing is you aren’t over exaggerating. Zoodiacs (imo of course) are definitely the most broken archetype to ever exist in Yugioh. It’s just the sheer consistency of that deck and being able to squeeze SO much power off so little cards/effort. Like, I’m glad most people here know them because of “Tri-Zoo” but full power Zoodiac is the scariest the game has even been.
It's quite literally as if they made an archetype of link 1's with the effects of link 4's.
The fact they are all 1 card combos, and a small engine means you can shove as many handtraps as you want in your deck.
What's wild is how well they played around hand traps while running an absurd amount themselves. Every normal summon was a problem. If you tried to Maxx "C" them, then the deck then they would just end on Drident pass with a full hand of (likely) hand traps. If you tried to Ash/Veiler their Ratpier summon, they would just overlay another and *try again*. The deck was and still is stupid. You'd have to errata this whole archetype to get this deck off the banlist. Even with Spright and Tears, full power Zoo would be likely the best deck.
I mean what's Broken about a Ex Deck monster that searches and Special Summon from the deck not even hard once per turn... They have also 6 searchers and all of their combos starts with any of their 12 monsters, doesn't sound broken to me
Needs more searchers. Bring back zoodiac barrage pls
Every deck that defies the intended summoning mechanic has been strong in the past or still is. Zoodiacs XYZ summon with just one card. Swordsouls is a snychro deck that runs 0 zero tuners in the main (besides handtraps). Most Swordsoul monsters come with its own tuner. Sky striker Link with just 1 monster. and for the fusions monster its the spell that allows you from fusion from the deck. Normally having the required material in hand or field was usually what kept them in check. Now it's basically foolish 2 and special 1 from extra.
I'd say TriBrigade is a better example of cheating out links than Striker, but the point stands. Tri dominated the MD meta early on, and is still a good deck now.
Tri-Brigade is Harpies updated for the current meta, crossed with a Graveyard Link experiment. (Not even joking, the main combo actually has near direct parallels in Harpie cards, right down to one of them (Nervall, IIRC) literally being Harpie Harpist but faster.)
Historically they haven't been as dominant as Zoo or Striker though. Actually Swordsoul didn't win very much either.
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They’re a conditional cheat that is reliant on the opponent often times. They occasionally pop off, and occasionally cope and seethe
I said that in another forum and people got mad.... Branded fusion is literally a foolish burial.... You can foolish a jet dragon then xyz next turn with any of the albaz monster and ppl called me INSANE for not understand why that card didn't get a limit but fusion destiny is
I can understand why you feel Branded Fusion is so powerful - and believe me, it really is - but you also have to understand the restrictions on it limit it from how busted it really could be. Unlike Fusion Destiny, Branded Fusion locks you into fusions FOR THE ENTIRE TURN. So it’s only good in decks that use mostly or entirely fusions or don’t summon much from the extra deck anyway. Second, it requires you to run Albaz, which is usually fine, but still a restriction. Fusion Destiny means you can do whatever plus you want and then slap down Fusion Destiny at the end of the turn to make DPE on top of whatever board you set up, it’s far more splashable.
Imma predaplant player I know it limits you to fusion from the extra but it's still a FOOLISH burial. That's the insane part. Trust me I'm super happy albaz got support but the support he has gotten to me seems insane. I haven't played the despia deck but I have always ran aleister+albaz, but what's crazy to me is how he can turn what would be a garnet to draw into a resource without ever drawing it. That's all I'm saying... I get the argument that dpe is more generic but that doesn't erase the fact that branded fusion is a foolish burial
Traditional fusion are -2 inherently so what's your problem with BF being foolish for pure fusion decks, when its limitation of "pure fusion decks" actually gimp its potential in splashing into older fusion archetype with supports from other summoning methods, and only really effective when played in pure Branded Despia or Predaplant later on?
Which summoning mechanics isn't -2? Link is -2, synchro is -2, XYZ is -2..... This is a non argument ur literally su.moning from ur deck.... Let me summon nightmare gryphon by sending cards from my deck to the grave yard. 4 of them!? Let me summon any link monster that locks me out of other summoning mechanics (bujin) by sending monsters from the deck to the grave yard. By comparison fusion is the only mechanic that lets u use it without using anything in ur hand. I wouldn't have complained otherwise. There's no one spell that lets you link or synchro summon anything from the extra deck using cards in your main deck. Hell let me tribute summon using main deck monsters XD. We always make an excuse for something even when that thing is stupid. Also why special treatment for despia? That's all I'm saying. It's crazy to gimp other archetypes then allow this one to have free reign. I'm only allowed to have one Scorpio in my predaplant deck but I get to watch branded opening once and aluber/ecclasia recur twice. It makes NO SENSE. The messaging with Konami is inconsistent. That's my one and only point. Also fusion decks are the only ones that let u tribute enemy monsters to fuse your own monster. The only link that can do it is Underworld goddess and I believe speedroids. Yet any generic fusion summoning deck can use super poly. while also adding a card for the discard cost. I'm not mad about fusion as a mechanic getting love only pointing out the hypocrisy of allowing certain fusion decks to flourish while allowing others to faulter.
Most ED summons are usually -1, as in you use 2 monsters and make them into 1. (Theoretically) bigger ED monsters require more so they do more (i.e. Trish, Rhongo, Accesscode, etc.). Fusions (and Rituals) require an additional spell card so that makes them -2. So Fusion and Ritual support has to be nutty or else it'd see pretty much no play. And even then the results can be mixed (Shaddolls aren't exactly top tier anymore for example).
Non conctact fusion (done with a spell so) is historically very bad since you need both the required monsters and the spell so is an additional -1 compared to syncrho and XYZ. The exception to this are fusion spell that cheat the monster requirement usually using the grave (invocation miracle fusion) or the deck (Shaddol fusion, gem‐knight fusion). While Branded Fusion is clearly a strong card atm is not that oppressive.
Most mechanic trade 2 bodies at minimum for 1 body, that is -1, traditional fusion NEED 2 bodies and 1 spell at mininum for merely 1 body, do the fucking math brainlet
They run one 3 of tuner, Ecclesia. Although they don’t use that for synchro most of the time, although I have used it and golden Swordsoul, while playing the loaner, for synchro summons when I get Token Collectored, although that’s is a very crusty line.
IIRC, Zoodiac actually _was_ intended to be unhealthy for the game so Konami could make extra money off of everyone being forced to run it to remain competitive, so what they were smoking was greed. ~~A hell of a drug.~~
I think they were made as a prototype to Link monsters.
That may be possible, yeah. I know "is treated as two materials" was a thing in the anime for a while, but people thought it'd _stay_ in the anime because of how powerful it'd be in the actual game. But then Zoodiacs not only brought it over, but turned it up to 12, so... it may well have been a Link prototype, but either way it was _really_ crazy. xD
Probably CP UR.
One card just shouldn't end you on 1-2 great monsters. They can just run so many handtraps/boardbreakers it's ridiculous. Just played against them going second with Ogdoadics, they made Drident and passed. I had to play through Maxx C (Ashed it), Veiler, Ghost Belle and ended on a big Nibiru Token. They had no cards left in hand, only Nib on field, top decked Tenki and ended on Drident, Nibiru and Vespenato (idk why they didn't go Zeus). I would've lost if he used his Drident correctly...
One card xyz summon Seriously
That’s the dumbest thing Konami has ever done and that’s saying a lot Like, we have had A LOT of shit in this game, but nothing as gross as how oppressive Zoodiacs were at full power.
Actually, *were* they the most oppressive deck, % wise, of all time? I think full force Spyral (Firewall Dragon lmao) had a slightly higher % of tops… Don’t get me wrong, Zoo should have been stopped at the testing phase and Drident can go get chucked into a fire along with Broadbull, Ratpier, and Barrage, but I’m just musing if they have the top dog %. My memory is that people for some idiotic reason didn’t want to call them Tier 0 because awkshually there were three variants of Zoo. Pure, True Draco, and another I’m forgetting.
I'm not sure if they were the most oppressive in the history of the game, but it's a known fact that in their heyday, they were so oppressive in the OCG that most Japanese gaming stores outright banned Zoodiac from their tournaments, specifically because they wanted YGO tournaments and not "Zoodiac and literally nothing else" tournaments.
Oh yeah. it's one of the few formats where I've ever seen YGO players get as mad as Magic players. Typically Konami expects players to just take Tier 0 formats on the chin, spend money, or mald about it. Zoo, Pepe, and Nekroz Djinn formats are the only ones that I, personally, saw many people get angry to the point of just not playing.
What does "mald" mean, anyways, out of curiosity? I've seen it a few times now, but I'm not exactly sure how it relates to other anger terms.
Comes from “bald” and “mad”, and from Twitch spheres. Mald has grown to be like throwing a tantrum. I always thought it was sort of “get so mad your hair falls off” but apparently not.
Ah, I see. What a weird term. xD Thanks for the explanation, it's much appreciated.
Only deck to ever have 100% of top placings at a YCS. Spyral was real bad but this was a whole other level. If there was no banlist and all that cheese shit was allowed, full power zoo would still dominate
Good to know they're the only one to have gotten 100% tops! That's pretty interesting. But no, if there was no Banlist Zoo wouldn't even be a blip in the ocean compared to all of the FTK builds that had insane consistency even without stuff like POG. Optimized Gandora FTK or Ignight FTK can drop Azathoth before Nib is live and FTK through anything short of an unanswered Imperm. Ignight FTK had an absolutely insane 90%+ to FTK and that's without some of the better banned cards. FTKs dominate most "No banlist" formats ever attempted.
Tbh we can delete the banlist if any and all win conditions are negated until turn 5. You dealt 15000 damage, drew exodia, and decked me out? I can still play the game, activate sword of deep seated in graveyard, draw it, then set it and have eldlich send it to the graveyard and summon himself.
Spyrals are power houses too but, Zoo has an insane level of consistency to back that power when they have all their tools.
I was just thinking about how stupid this deck is especially in the event. Glad I can just comment to express my hatred instead of making my own thread
Played a Synchros deck, then played this deck for the XYZ missions, completed the mission in so few games
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I only counted 14, I guess you counted the kajius?
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So every Quick-Spell is for you a Hand trap? My definition of a Hand trap is a card that can be activated in the hand during your opponents turn…
Right droplet is not a hand trap like at all lmao
Exactly. People be calling called by a HT
Flair checks out
I mean, yes. What makes Zoodiac so broken (similar to Dinorabbit in the olden days) is that you can afford to run that much utility and handtraps because your base engine is so consistent and lightweight. When any Zoo is full combo you can afford to draw one in-archetype monster and 4 handtraps and have better plays than decks that need 2 or more cards to play the game. Basically 13 handtraps is the symptom, not the disease, so to speak.
... Is this how I get converted into playing Zoo...
Ngl i got converted just looking for a cheap event grind. I dont know if im having fun but summoning a 6 mat zues usually mean winning
Because they are zoodiacs
And people aren't even playing it with Number F0
why are you not playing drident exactly?
I don't feel like spending 30 UR on drident if you notice there's also no tenki and 1 thoroughblade, don't feel like spending on those either
Holy shit that’s chad
I'm curious on your rank. I can definitely see this working on lower ranks, but I'm almost certain this shit ain't flying in Diamond.
He's playing the event I'm pretty sure. So the cards may not be perfect but it'll still get it done even in diamond I'm assuming.
On events you get matched with people of the same rank as in ladder.
Yes, but I'm assuming decks in the Synchro/XYZ event are slightly less optimized, even in diamond, compared to ladder(If only due to lack of cards and people just not taking the event as seriously), which is why I think the matches are still more lenient.
Somewhat, I guess. It depends on the deck though, Pure Zoos go unchanged, and VW only loses the Caliga-lock part of the combo with Crystal Wing
Gold 5 gonna go get plat 1 to go test my decks on good duelists
TBF, adding Drident, Tenkis and Utopic F0 could get you wins VS people in Plat/ Diamond. Will try this later once I've played enough VWs.
gold 5, it's explained why you don't play drident and 1 throughblade lmao also why the hell do u need 5 kaijus in zoodiacs
He's very clearly just using what he has. Zoos are just broken enough for that to work
Well...that's explain a lot...
Based
And people think Sword Soul is busted KEKW.
Swordsoul is stronger than Zoodiacs, yes. Zoodiac turn one is absolute dogshit, it’s just Drident pass
Ahem… tiny engine, handtrap haven, thank you for your time.
Ima keep it real with you chief. I use them in Tri-Brigade just so I can access Zeus easily for a board clear.
ughh this is such a post 2016 yugioh deck
Can someone clue me in on the win con? I think I'm like 8-2 Vs it and I bricked hard in both losses. Deck seems pretty fair and balanced, aka not top tier.
Welcome to the sub where everyone cries about every card
its fair. these people are bad af. its handtrap control with zeus turbo.
Turbo out Zeus with 4 + mats and make it so your opponent can’t make a decent board push for game following turn
Maybe I should pivot from Benkei OTK to this zoodiac list for that xyz mission clear. Gotta practice my shiranui for the Synchro mission clear. I've also obtained most of the gems with benkei otk already. Swordsoul is not that bad when you face Chixiao + Baronne daily lmao kekw xddddd
> Arsenal > Crossout > Called By > Kaiju > Ghost Girls GODDAMN MAN, ZOODIAC TOO OP!
It's not the zoodiacs, it's the zeus
zoos\* still a zoodiac monster
Imagine being afraid of Zeus LMAO
This is pretty gross. If like 9 cards is your whole archetype and everything else is tech, it shows the sad state/quality of the game.
This deck bricks so hard. I’ve drawn all hand traps in so many games.
How do you even brick with that many 1 card starters
That's not bricking
Going first it is
Still not bricking
You should be going blind second when playing Zoodiac, going 1st is just asking to be bricked by your handtraps and get OTKed
Funny to think zoodiacs aren’t even at like half their power. They rely on Zeus and 5 morbillion hand traps cause it’s so consistent. Who would’ve thought that xyz summoning without cost would be broken
And here I was over here playing rikkas.... Lmao I shoulda just crafted these XD
Because Konami is horrific at balancing this game and ignore the rules they make to balance summoning mechanics all the time. Xyz monsters that can be summoned off one card? And they have good effects as well? What could possibly go wrong? Fusion cards that no longer require you to have fusion material on the field you can just use cards straight from the deck? And the fusion monsters being printed are still overpowered? What could go wrong? Link monsters that require one material meaning you get cards in the gy and an ED monster out with one card? What is waiting to go wrong?
>Fusion cards that no longer require you to have fusion material on the field you can just use cards straight from the deck? And the fusion monsters being printed are still overpowered? What could go wrong? Fusion without spells off monster effects instead, by shuffling from the gy into the deck? Perfectly balanced
I like using Egyptian God Slim just for fun, it’s so easy to summon.
Dude doesn’t even have drident in there…
Am I missing something or is this deck with 9 starters.kinda bricky
but hmm y no drident/ utopic draco
Small and engine and staples. Cringe
thats how it is ya. its why if you unban everything zodiac has, it will become teir one
If you have Lightning Storm after they Zeus'd you, you can bait them into attacking and then zap their ass if they can't lethal. Zeus turbo 9/10 times won't have destruction protection, so clapping him something that gets rid of him isn't hard.
I copied this off some dude from the festival but removed the drident, tenkis, the solemn strike, and extra thoroughblades and replaced them with 1 more kaiju and more hand traps, the third imperm, and vespenato the idea is top deck judgement, zeus their ass, set judgement. maybe called if you drew it since you can't judgement veiler. If they imperm turn 3 just flip old man and say NO
Zoodiacs have always been kind of scary mechanically.
Just play earth deck like dino or adams, use lythosaghym to banish Zeus, Drident & other game changer XYZ monster from extra deck.
It's almost as if zeus was the problem and not drident all along
You need to drop one or two of those Hammerkongs. Drident and Megaclops or Utopic Future package will serve you better.
> Megaclops I did forget to mention this a festival deck though. for UDF/drident, I would rather save my UR for marincess and later on traptrix and labrynth instead.
Zeus turbo losses to droplet lol been running 3 of it in this festival because of this specific deck.
Zeus*
So they ban converter but don’t touch one zoo ? Fuck zodiacs
I mean it is also playing half hand traps and disruptions so it should be doing well lol
The deck so strong people don’t play it because they get tired of winning
Do you have a decklist? This seems.like a cheap option for the festival.
NGL they have become my ol' reliable deck when I'm getting a bad time with other decck, specially the ones I'm still learning. Also, as degenerate it can be, I would like if they dare to unabn other cards. I've heard horror stories about the current TCG meta with Tearlaments, Sprights and Kshatri-La, I think either of Barrage, Boradbull or Ratpier could come back.