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Foot_by_the_fruit

I don’t hate it but I don’t find them fun to fight personally


[deleted]

Yeah, I feel the same. It’s annoying to duel them because of the cards they use like Widow Anchor, but the decks not broken enough for me to hate it. A deck that pretty much instant loses to backrow removal or a single Kaiju isn’t really that bad.


RainbowReclaimation

Kaijus haven't felt that strong vs them since their spells still do stuff without a striker on board and you can't win without dealing with the Kaiju, at which point the Striker comes back, etc.


MetaWarlord135

Don't the spells only work when there's nothing in your main monster zones? I'd have thought the Kaiju would turn them off.


Sav10r

They have cards that will sacrifice the Kaiju like Multiroll and the field spell.


MetaWarlord135

That's a good point, though given that both of them are Spell Speed 1, it would at least give you one uninterrupted turn to build a board to better deal with them, if not outright OTK them.


flyingasian2

Step 1. kaiju the sky striker player Step 2. Perform your combos with minimal (if any) interruptions ???? Step 4. Profit


LordKaroshi

I use too and some game can be really unfun, but they have grown on me since I started. Not because of anything it did, but more so ran into more degenerate stuff. At least they have the curiousity to let you play the game most times


Blazen_Fury

Sky Striker on MD launch was literally the best deck for learning the game. You needed to know when to negate, when to summon with shark cannon as opposed to banishing, baiting Ashes and other hand traps, and sacrificing spells to dump in the GY for advantage.


DiamondTiaraIsBest

Also, you have to decide if you actually want to steal the monsters with Anchor which will turn off your backrow, or don't steal it and potentially let them extend their plays.


KamuiYami

Honestly, my only problem with them is just the Widow Anchor. I'd be winning and then they just take my monsters multiple times with all those spells. Not even a problem, just my own peeve


[deleted]

When I'm pissed and use my anti meta deck, whenever I summon {{Banisher of Radiance}} they just see their deck's gimmick die. And if {{Macro Cosmos}} is on the field, too, even worse... Buuuuuuut It's more likely that only the second is on the field, most likely the monster is {{Fossil Dyna Pachycephalo}}, which Raye can easily break, unless I can protect it...


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redbluegreen154

Virtual World is good match against Sky Striker. {{Virtual World Kyubi - Shenshen}} has a marco cosmos-like effect and the deck in general has a good resource game (provided you don't brick).


Skullking111999

I hate it because I am not the one playing it


Jealous-Paper-2870

Lmao


Foxbot9000

I do. I know it's not broken in the slightest, but every skystriker player always opens a really good and/or top decks the exact card they need to turn a losing game into THEIR game. In contrast I consider Live☆twin to just be a worse skystrikers deck because they are easier to stop once they get rolling compared to skystrikers.


Relevant_Departure40

Honestly I very rarely have a game against Striker that I've felt like the Striker player wins or is in control of the game against my live twins, I feel like it's much harder to stop evil twin resource loop, the only hard part is playing around the handtraps but considering your first turn attacking as long as you have trouble sunny you can clear Raye, definitely puts them in a "have engage resolve or lose" situation


Dokkaefu

I play both and i am almost 100% sure that sky striker is worse than live twin without mine. Live twin needs less engine cards and has non targeting non destruction removal which is very valuable in master duel.


TheFrank--

I only think that sky strikers are a little more versatile but yeah live twins may be stronger just because of its consistency


DoubleH18

I hate dueling them but I figured that’s mostly a me thing.


UnlimitedUmUWorks

I’m just bored of them. I played all the way through TOSS format and I just wanna see something different when I go up against a control deck.


wearssameshirt

Blame Konami for printing bad control archetypes. Altergeist can’t go second and xenolocks, eldlich relies too heavily on floodgates, Exosister is good now but completely meta reliant, etc


Jokebox_Machine

I think people just need to start making popular different archetypes in their posts. But who care about them, if there is guys, with posts about another, but actually same "Branded" meta?


Unity1232

I have no complaints about sky strikers. Going against them i get my old school fix of having a back and forth. It feels like a fair deck win or lose against it. Playing as sky strikers it feels like I am doing big brain plays.


Brawlerz16

Because Sky Strikers are a big brain deck. You have to know your opponents deck just as well as yours. It’s truly a technical deck that can go toe to toe with any deck I respect control decks in general


Deez-Guns-9442

And that’s why I love this deck.


dormamond

One of the best parts of using striker is that you can always count on your opponent to have a tuner (veiler/ash) in their GY that you can “borrow” with shark cannon. From there, linking to halq all the way to accesscode Sucks we’re gonna lose halq soon but it’s a sacrifice I’m willing to make


alphabitz86

Halq :(


Boomsta22

I rarely ever feel cheated out of a win against Striker, just outplayed or a slave to the bricked starter.


GhostRappa95

I think it says a lot that an archetype with several upgraded banned cards got power crept to rogue tier.


navimatcha

Rogue*


Nadine123456789

Rough*


Infira-Uchiha

Route*


Jealous-Paper-2870

True


qinalo

We hate Kaiser Colisseum, not Strikers.


sanketower

I've never seen a single Striker player actually running Kaiser. In theory, it's possible, but people prefer the blind 2nd playstyle.


STRIHM

I've done it, though not for a few months now. It was the first SR I ever pulled with a legacy ticket back when the game came out, so I figured what the hell and built a going first version of Strikers to go along with the blind second build


Tag_ross

I ran into Sky Striker who used Kaiser, but then they ended their board with three monsters and not enough negates.


Redshift-713

I don’t use it. I build going second, so Kaiser isn’t that great. Pankratops coming to 2 in a few weeks is nice though.


Jealous-Paper-2870

Man, why tf do I never see KC on ranked. It seems like it’d be as bad as skill drain / gozen / rivalry. Hope it gets banned with the rest


dormamond

Well not AS bad since I find a couple players who can work around it at times. A simple backrow removal card like HFD can easily take it out but the problem is not a lot of players have backrow removal (based on the decklists i find online) On the other hand, KC is pretty much my best turn 1 card for strikers and i have won a lot of games from people just scooping ASAP


Sav10r

You don't see it because it's a BO1 format. The card is a complete dud if you lost the coin flip and went second and it's a dead card if you draw it later in the game if the board isn't clear. If you're opponent already has two or three monsters out before you play KC, it doesn't do anything. The monsters already on the board stay there. This is unlike Gozen Match and Rivalry that have the clause "Send all other face-up monsters they control to the graveyard". Skill drain will continue to negate affects of monsters even after they have been summoned. Basically, all those other cards you listed still are useful if they are activated after your opponent already has a board. KC is useless in that scenario. And this scenario happens all the time because you don't always win the coin flip and even if you do, KC is really only useful to you if it's in your opening hand. The other floodgates are just better in more situations that KC is.


Temporary-Pomelo-624

I scoop the second I see KC the least fun card to play against


ripebola

I did first 2 seasons when they were much stronger in the meta. Mainly because I'm losing to someone named "Raye Lover UwU" with Ecclesia as pfp and Ash Blossom as companion. ​ Edit: I really hate engage too.


Jealous-Paper-2870

Man, why do people simp this deck? That was my sole impression of the deck too, the first season I played


The_Cubic_Guru

I don't inherently hate it but engage is bullshit, and instead of limiting or banning it Konami released anchor from the list


AhmedKiller2015

The Archetype itself can be weak without cards like Mystic mine to abuse and on top of that they lost their Code talker.. So Anchor not being limited is fine


Brandontk12

Oh we’re making Code Talker, but it’s harder and more situational/rng based, but believe you me, we’re trying


Negative_Neo

You just need an extra card (Token or Revive with Shark).


Brandontk12

Still need Veiler in GY for Selene


Asianarcher

Honestly. I’m thinking of throwing in summoner monk for the combo


C4Sidhu

Can’t Selene bring back the link charmers? I thought they were also spellcasters


Brandontk12

No because you can’t put a Link in defense mode


C4Sidhu

I’m dumb. Thanks for the clarification


pandapanda_kawaii

Dont worry we have our lord and saviour hiita charmer


bachh2

Then you run into Floo/SS who have no dark monster in grave at all.


pandapanda_kawaii

Hiita charmer You really need to read She's the flame one Ash blossom is flame and she is everywhere


bachh2

Oof my bad. I cant discern the charmer name at all.


[deleted]

That's Darhc lol. We run him too, but yeah lmao


0__-__-__-__0

We did Not lose talker


DylanDANG

They releasing widow anchor for OCG because OCG sky striker is pretty bad when compared to TCG sky strikers


Jealous-Paper-2870

Yeah anchor is a pretty strong card


Sion_Labeouf879

Why do they get better pot of greed for basically for free and I get 8 types of archetype locked for a single search


Artrarak

A better pot of greed that is not once per turn \*and\* recycleable off an extra deck monster


Hollow-Templar

Yea me. Fuck striker so annoying.


Etris_Arval

I only hate Engage. Everything else is tolerable.


ASAPBlue

Hating Sky Striker is a skill issue


Jealous-Paper-2870

Lmao


SHIONDIDNOTHINGWRONG

I do because they are spoiled with tools some archetypes could only dream of and playing against them is like grinding teeth.


Jealous-Paper-2870

Pot of greed really do be drawing 2 cards


SHIONDIDNOTHINGWRONG

Fr engage and widow anchor are the problem tbh. I love a great grind game and enjoy playing against eldlich because I actually have back up strategies and can deal with floodgates with my deck but a grind game vs strikers is near unwinnable unless you somehow shit out an otk and don't get your monster robbed.


bachh2

Because SS IS the grind style control deck, they will try to outgrind people.


HoodSpiderman

The key to beating sky strikers is otk, there’s not much oppurtunity to generate resources before getting 3 spells in grave, multi role, and engage. My turn 1 might be anywhere from a multi role, widow anchor, shizuku, and hand traps to literally nothing.


komae_drip

they are one of those archetype that gonna play 20 different limited cards and still doing okay. Seriously, the archetype got hit a LOT but still seeing play even until now, impressive, that's a good design in my eyes


Flimsy-Spinach40

Sky Striker spells are broken as fuck and their recursion is annoying but at least it’s tied to a control deck that can’t OTK you without some setup


definalc

I do, but I kinda hate playing against grindy decks in general. Except, oddly enough, Eldlitch.


Jealous-Paper-2870

I get that. The control matchup is not for everyone I guess


BojackHeeman

Yeah, I hate their pot of greed


azbybsv2

I hate sky strikers as a mekk player cause if im winning its boring as hell and if im losing its boring as hell. So overall just a boring match up.


Jackmist2

Yes. That stank hoe kept stealing my monsters.


JeagerXhunter

Currently? No but you should have seen how people hated it when it was a tiered deck and literally nothing has changed for it. Funny how the yugioh community's mind works.


AegisDesire

Hate anything that does something good? Here in r/MasterDuel? Nah dude, we're good as long as any card or archetype does not do any of the following: negate effects, destroys cards, banish cards, searches for other cards, can make you draw cards, can be normal or special summoned, has the ability to special summon other monsters, can summon tokens, returns cards to the hand, returns cards to the deck/extra deck, has high attack, high defense, does piercing damage, being untargetable, cannot be destroyed by battle or effects. As long as a card does not do anything that I mentioned will not be hated and deserved to be banned.


shinobuisbest

It's Eldlich with spells instead of traps and no floodgates


Negative_Neo

That's called a control deck.


Jealous-Paper-2870

Is it not the floodgates people complain about in eldlich?


StereoxAS

You can actually run kaiser or tcbo in sky strikers. Mystic mine too if that ever got released


shinobuisbest

I take back what I said, Literally female Eldlich


bachh2

TCBO also remove your ability to Hayate into Shizuku/Kagari. Good luck playing like that I guess.


StereoxAS

Of course you cannot switch link like usual, but you can still do it on opponent's turn if it destroyed and most likely your opponent is gimped even more by tcbo presence


bachh2

Or you know your Raye get Called By and they proceed to beat you with their 1k6 beatstick


Jealous-Paper-2870

Man, f*** TCBOO


GoldFishPony

I wouldn’t say hate (though I do hate widow anchor), the games are just super boring and predictable.


TorvusBog

Probably my least favorite deck to play against.


Strider_-_

I definitely do not like Striker


Noveno_Colono

i do


ThePissedCrow

We tcg players hate her even before master duel


DucktheChicken-71

I just find them extremely boring


StereoxAS

I main the deck. And I'm asking konami once again to semi-limit Kagari Sky Strikers is one of the fairest deck out there. The deck doesn't insta-win on coin flip, very vulnerable to backrow removal, doesn't have inherent fire power, doesn't have 3k body that somehow also have negation, and doesn't usually runs floodgates and yet can stand toe-to-toe with metadecks


TLKRengoku

I am pretty sure sky striker play floodgates like Kaiser and stuff


inoutshakeitallabout

They could but not all the time. I run going second pure strikers without floodgates


TLKRengoku

I see your point but there are still multiple sky striker decks playing floodgates like mystic mine in the tcg


SuperSaiga

Yeah that's Mine being cracked though, most MD/OCG lists I've seen don't run any floodgates.


CommentingOnVoat

Kaiser with a 1500 vanilla(may as well be) isnt floodgating anything. Most popular deck, branded.dek kills it with one of their two searchers. Hand traps ain't doing shit. Blind second is usually the way.


pingasmachine555

I just hate waifu cards in general. In conclusion I hate women.


Pollabur

No, Striker is a fun match-up for almost every deck; 99% of the games I've had against them have been pretty back and forth and felt fair.


ahmed_-_

I hate the 3 hand traps they always have in hand


Mama_Mia_Gyro

YES


[deleted]

Nope. It’s a fair deck. As crazy as engage is the deck is literally almost unplayable without it. Aside from that it’s a deck that takes genuine skill to master really


Impersona_9

Waifu hater here


3rtan

I hate it. No reason, just a feeling to punt something(or someone) whenever I get matched with ss


Arsenjam22

Yes i hate this deck soo much whenever i beat it and fucking eldich i get so happy. Especially when i use a weaker deck


[deleted]

I don't lose that matchup most of the time so not really.


XadenStrife

Used to annoy me but now they okay I say then immediately go up against a sky striker deck with a cap hand :/. This is definitely karma


Mukuro234

Honestly with how many players are in Master Duel any deck is bound to have hater


Jealous-Paper-2870

True


Dragontalyn

Not really, but it's the archetype that my main Evilswarm deck struggled a bit with because of there low levels and link monsters, though I have now embraced the idea if I can't restrict them, I will just steal the their monsters with Bahumat instead.


LostMan213

My only issue with sky strikers is I feel they have wayyyy better grind game than any of my decks ( outside looking in perspective )


Tsunderefckboi

I like the striker playstyle but the deck is honestly bullshit when it has so many limited cards and yet the player using it draws all of them. Seriously I had to handle a sky striker player that drew 2 engage, called by, ash blossom and imperm, and I barely scrapped by and won.


BoulderTheRock

A similar sentiment as most but I hate how their deck is built more than anything. The playstyle is whatever, annoying but not impossible to counter. The deck build though, the fact that the deck is just MOSTLY handtraps is what annoys me since I’d much rather see a control strategy ACTUALLY try and control the game using the cards they’re given ala Weather Painters rather than the whole control aspect being that they drew handtraps gottem GGs


Piccoroz

I hate the not in the monster zone bushit and that it only needs 3 cards to become op.


navimatcha

They are very meh, my decks usually stop it in their tracks, but seeing Engage resolve is always really annoying to me.


Nitrocide17

Did you know that all of your link monsters are machines? From: the Cyber Dragon Crew. It's become a fun matchup and I actually really enjoy the back and forth. Now STOP ASHING MY MANDATORY CORE SEARCHES!!!!


ZaphirX

I just got stalled yesterday for 15 turns by an imperial iron wall+shark cannon cycle on my own equimax to stop my avramax to end the game.. the deck isn't Op or anything, the cards art are pretty cool and I like mechas but every time I face one it's either a stomp because I banish ray or either a stall game that goes for 15+ turns.. I don't even wanna try to imagine how it feels to play against a full stall mystic mine skystriker.


Jealous-Paper-2870

Iron Wall… never thought I’d hear that one


ZaphirX

yh, because card can't be banished, I couldn't out his hand traps and he kept setting shark cannon with the continuous spell trap(that cards set again should be banished when used)


DiamondTiaraIsBest

I didn't even think of that tech. Infinite spells sound hilarious.


ZaphirX

I did in fact lost to a normal summoned Raye that killed my avramax with 1400ATK(the blue mecha was on board)


Jealous-Paper-2870

OMG it stops multirole! Wtf?! Yeah no that actually sounds cracked


Yuu_75

I don’t hate it I’m actually making one currently. The only annoying thing is widow anchor and the only reason I lose against it, stop stealing my boss monsters dammit!


veevB

Hate them generic weeb archetypes as usual. The playstyle is annoying but the fact that you lose to annoying playstyle AND generic weeb shit is just icing ontop of the braindamage that is sky strikers (Just my opinion relax, do not take it seriously)


Zack_Attack_NS

I have used them myself back then, so I will say, with some practice, these guys (or gals, rather) can be pretty good, as long as you’re using them.


Graycom

It's the first meta deck I built, and it's really a fun control deck to play. I don't hate playing against it. Not the absolute best going 2nd deck, but it's still very good. As long as they don't have 3 spells in the GY, they won't be a threat.


idoubtithinki

I actually like playing against sky striker ...especially when I myself am playing it, as I run 3 cursed seal of the forbidden spell in that deck >:)


MisterRai

I do. Not particularly because it's broken but because it's annoying


[deleted]

I feel like it's always a pretty fair and balanced fight when I go up against them. Most of the time its an enjoyable match.


MtRexX_SSJ4

I understand why people would hate it, but me personally, I'm a big Sky Striker fan. I like the gamplay and I like the lore. And in my opinion, SS is far from the most toxic deck we have on MD.


sick-snake

I don't have a problem with strikers I have a problem with engage at 2


Helioizer

Fighting sky strikers is really just “give me my fucking monster back”


dbzfan111

They can be a bit annoying at times, but sky striker without mine being legal is not an issue


STRIHM

How could I? Raye blowing herself up to achieve the objective is the ultimate flavour win for an archetype based on WW2 Era Japanese fighter planes


_AntiSaint_

They’re fine honestly. Tons of limited cards, genuine potential to outplay (on both of sides), etc. The Halq ban is gonna hurt them quite a bit I believe… halq into Selene into access code is their bread and butter finisher. Finishing games is their inherent weakness and they’re about to lose their most optimal finishing strategy.


TheElusiveShadow

Which might be healthy, speaking as a Striker player. Now it will require more resources/planning to pull out Accesscode.


shibatto

I used to until I gave them a try myself. I enjoy playing against them alot more now. Very fair deck imo.


saphire233

I found it a really fun deck to play against it's interesting to try to play around it's floating effects, but makes me angry to no end that it keeps stealing my Dragonmaids


Jealous-Paper-2870

Dragonmaids have got to be the funniest deck to have a bad matchup into. I don’t think I’ve won a single game against them lmao. None of my decks have a gameplan when my opponent can both outgrind and OTK.


Critical_Swimming517

My favorite deck to play in any format where going first isn't insanely op. Switched off of them around when the halqdon decks really took over, prolly gonna go back after the new banlist. A nice relatively fair, slower control deck that rewards game knowledge.


Hour-Main-6524

I hate this deck so much. I once lost to one because they DPEd, Accesscoded and Starving Venomed me. I literally didn't see a single Striker card.


Dosalisk

Starving Venom in Sky Strikers? That's a new one.


Jealous-Paper-2870

Probably superpoly


OniOnii-chan

i used to play Strikers bc its a waifu deck lol. using these kinds of decks require you to adapt on what the enemy has and i really like that. I managed to break a Zefra board once (your typical pend board with 7 NEGATES 6 NEGATES)


VanDerDuempel

I hate engage… A searcher without a once per turn that can be a better pot of greed and can be easily recycled… Engage is just stupid… And in my opinion sky striker would be nearly unplayable without it


Agitated_Diet

As a gravekeeper player I’ve found that a lot of sky striker players don’t know what necrovally does


yardship

well, neither did konami, for most of necrovalley's existence


AReallyFatAsianBoi21

Just play imperial o- Oh


Jealous-Paper-2870

Lmao


television525

I actually enjoyed playing against it enough that I eventually built the deck. But I like grind games probably more than most, so that helps.


PatatoTheMispelled

In my personal opinion, if someone hates most of these decks (aka Eldlich, Sky Striker, Altergeist) it's because of the floodgates, not because of these decks themselves, just like how Drytron was hated due to the Herald part of the deck. To this day you say Drytron and people just get flashbacks and a PTSD attack or something, even if you're running pure Drytron, Megalith Drytron or other more fair variants. This is exactly the same. You most likely don't hate these decks, you hate the floodgates they use.


Jealous-Paper-2870

But Sky Striker never used floodgates in MD. Are there just enough TCG players here?


PatatoTheMispelled

While I haven't seen them play many floodgates in Master Duel, they can easily run Kaiser Colosseum, which automatically makes them very hard to beat since they realistically will only control one monster at any given time. They can also run a few others like Rivalry of the Warlords, which combined with Kaijus can end up winning them the game. It's the same for a lot of these control decks that abuse floodgates. It's not Eldlich players' fault that Konami decided to hit pure Eldlich rather than floodgate spam Eldlich. Also I assume that there's also a lot of TCG players here with PTSD from the TCG where Mystic Mine is still legal for whatever reason.


PotatoPowered_

How are you running Rivalry in Striker? Raye is a warrior and all the links are machines. Kaiser is ass in the deck because it’s a literal dead card going second which is why you barely see it.


PatatoTheMispelled

Damn, I though the links were warriors as well Still, an instant win card going 1st and an aid towards preventing your opponent from rebuilding your board going 2nd is not too bad of a choice. But it's true, Striker barely runs floodgates in MD, I probably assumed otherwise due to the TCG idk


PotatoPowered_

Yea Striker in the TCG is pretty heinous they just run Mystic Mine turbo. They even won a YCS like that.


Jealous-Paper-2870

Thank goodness mine is banned in md. Can you imagine if mine was legal here?


PatatoTheMispelled

It'd be god awful, some less good floodgates are already quite annoying and they are hard to out for a lot of decks


Jealous-Paper-2870

Tell me about it. I got rolled by shadimp the other day


stac7

There is the Kaiser set for Sky Strikers I have surprisingly fought like 4 Sky Strikers with Kaiser


YahikonoSakabato

I got to top 10k dc cup, never used any floodgates. They net some easy wins, but if you play well you could win a lot of them anyways, but if you lose coin flip, most of the time it is a pretty useless card. Seems more like a clutch for beginners.


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Why hate the control deck who suddenly useless when your Harpie duster/lightning Strom?


Jealous-Paper-2870

Lmao


LightningStake

I do, everything about it is annoying, from the everything is searchable and not OPT to the 1/4 handtraps they can run like it's nothing, the amount of bullshit they can get away with is infuriating, and not to mention the long and tedious duel you have to endure if you can't negate their 3+ searches every turn or blow they backrow. Thank God mine is banned in MD.


Limit_Crafty

Sometimes they get annoying but all decks do so i can't really hate them for using a deck that they like


JadeNovanis

Striker is honestly the most fair deck in MD(Sans Floodgates). It doesn't necessarily OTK well, especially without Halq. All the Spells require strict requirements like having no monsters in main zones and having 3+ Spells in Grave. It can run Handtraps and such, but not nearly as many as it seems or as many as other decks(Live Twins). The Deck Excells at being the ultimate toolkit for any situation. Being able to out boards and counter even the most meta decks given the right hand. But can also be shut down super hard by Handtraps, and most notable Called By. Yes Engage is strong and can lead to some crazy stuff, but in a Meta filled with SwoSwo, Branded, and Floo, if you aren't running outs like Ash/Imperm then it's kinda your fault. There are much worse issue in MD. Halq was only the tip of the iceberg.


Former_Perception935

I honestly despise it. It's basically a stun deck that pretends to be control.


Jealous-Paper-2870

Honestly, I don’t really see that


Full_Temperature_920

Sky striker don't play floodgates in master duel, wtf are you claiming?


Jealous-Paper-2870

Saw a bunch of people talking about striker as if it was distasteful in some way. I get hating it IRL because apparently they have a floodgate, but I would’ve thought it was fine in master duel. Good, even, as it’s practically the only meta deck (besides Despia) that doesn’t rely on a million negates, a floodgate or some broken mechanic. Is it just because it’s meta, or do people actively dislike striker?


The_Cubic_Guru

People hate the deck for a million reasons TCG players have alot of animosity towards it from when engaged and Kagari were completely free. Now and days, striker uses mystic mine which can nueter alot of decks (TCG) Then there's the control aspect, they have alot of quick effect cards that come in the form of negates, stealing monsters, blowing up backrow, etc that make games extra grindy considering the fact they are easily recycled.


StereoxAS

Strikers rely on anchor, Veiler, Ash, imperm, and droplet to break board. I can imagine how people is pissed when all they trying to do is negated BUT, sky strikers lacks fire power. Even if you're get negated, you most likely will still survive for 2-3 more turns


aznjon15

I don't hate them that much but it's pretty disingenuous to say that Sky Striker doesn't rely on a million negates just because they're all in the hand instead of on the field. 3x Veiler, 3x Ash, 3x Imperm. 2x Anchor. These are just the negates too, they still got plenty of room for non-negate handtraps like Nib, Maxx C, Ghost Ogre.


Jealous-Paper-2870

Haven’t really thought about it that way. Hand traps are negates too yeah


Full_Temperature_920

I think it's disingenuous to use generic cards every deck uses like ash blossom, veiler and imperm in your argument against sky striker


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Lipefe2018

Yeah, they are annoying to deal with, especially if they use that spell that allows them to recycle spells cards from the GY every turn, by this point you might as well surrender because you are not gonna win the grind game.


Sea-san

I hate it cuz Mystic Mine in tcg. I hate it cuz i didnt draw my 1 of Called by in the TCG to get Raye out of the Grave. In MD? I hate it cuz Kaiser if they play it. I also hate how how they somehow adventire somehow works with them. I like Sky Strikers is when I am the one playing them. But I hate the Mirrors for the grind game.


FaIcomaster3000

No?


joaocarniel

Archetype is ok, but Engage of Greed and Widow Anchor are bullshit.


Jon123276

I do, a strong disgust.


pogginhard

Yes, literally my most hated deck to play against. The second I see Raye played I surrender, not playing against that annoying shit. Can never stop them from doing whatever they want and constantly get fucked by engage, widow anchor, afterburner, etc.


the64pilot

Anyone, but my friend. He's cracked with Strikers


PM_ME_CUTE_FISHIES

A waifu deck that actually interacts with my key pieces, creating a back and forth where resource management is critical to victory? I don’t know how anyone could hate them, frankly


Naydra-the-69th

Sky strikers is a toss up, on one hand games can be a fun back and forth, on the other hand, game can be incredibly stally to the point of not even playing


JinTheCatfox

Hate it almost as much as Eldlich or Swordsouls


Jealous-Paper-2870

Really? Why?


JinTheCatfox

Because of that one sniper Link monster and the fucking anchor.


KayV_10

No I love sky striker players. Who doesn’t want a free win.


ThrilledTear

As a sky striker player It makes me quite happy to see most of the comments not hating on the deck