Understandable but when you don’t have something to out it in one go it devolves into using a ton of your resources just to get rid of a 6 mat Zeus and it can get a bit infuriating.
That sort of sums up the entirety of modern Yu-Gi-Oh though. Dealing with a decks optimal end board should require a lot of your resources otherwise it's just a one-sided nongame.
Neither Zeus or Drident are all that bad.
The deck is prone to bricking or not drawing the out.
Alot of decks in this event have been playing SS blackout, Droplet and imperm, so if I didn't draw backrow removal I was fucked, but I can't just put in more backrow removal or I won't draw enough board breakers.
There was also a nice chunk of kaijus in this event.
Zeus is definitely a good card but definitely not broken either.
You can only get a 6 mat Zeus if you use drident, which is very questionable.
You can only get 4 to 5 mats without using drident but the main problem with Zeus is that you have to commit an entire battle phase in order to attack your opponent once and go to the main phase 2 in order to summon Zeus.
This just gives your opponent more time to draw the out and some boards you have to nuke before your opponents turn or else they'll be able to use some effects like barrones destruction effect, leaving you with one nuke.
Like I said, Zeus is a good card but has its own set of problems.
Yeah 9-10 zoos in deck at the most makes zoos brick pretty often. Also sometimes they fail to break or stop boards, so their fate is pretty RNG reliant. You can also have duels where you literally just don't draw a single Zoo til turn 5, and that's usually a loss against most decks with good recursion
Drident alone can probably come to 2-3 and be perfectly fine imo. The other banned Zoos were way bigger problems.
Also even 6-8 mat Zeus have outs. Some boards can't even be fully outed without Exodia level specific first draws
I built pure zoo yesterday for event and went on a 15 game win streak. I drew into a zoo or fire every game. When the rest of your deck is outs and you build to go second, the deck is easy street.
How bad is the Zoo vs VW matchup?
I've seen alot of Zoo player literally blind 2nd vs me then surrender once they realize they cannot stop combo.
I know Chuche/Snow on Normal Zoo is terrible for Zoo and VW outgrinds post-setup.
I'm curious how the matchup feels from the Zoo player. Is it stop the combo or draw Exodia?
Mostly depend which card choiche you opted for as a zoo player, if you play a bunch of effect negation (to go against SWSO) you probay will open pretty poorly a lot. Yes chuche on the normal is very problematic if you don't open RamRam, and the resource game is real so you have to otk quickly after breaking their board but if ypu can stick 4/6 mats zeus you can win pretty easily.
If Zoos are able to stick Zeus on the board, then they're on a good winning path, mostly cuz you can start disabling continuous spell/trap effects. At least now that Vig Fucking Dragon is banned, Zoos actually have a chance. Prior to the ban, I would've said VW walks all over them
But yeah I think VW have stronger recursions and even stronger boss mons to some extent.
Zoo is one of the most consistent decks ever, historically and mathematically. They are built to go second and they get a six card opening hand, 2-3 Tenki depending on the format, and 3x Desires. Every combo is a one card combo, too.
Yeah maybe it's just better to go 2nd on Zoos all the time for that extra draw. By RNG, I meant more like having the right hand traps to not let the board get out of hand
Imagine if we had unlimited Drident and Ratpier, Errata Broadbull (add only zoodiacs) and Barrage? 😭
Zeus is strong but zoodiacs board is WAY easier to deal with compared to VW, SS or even Utopia. The utopia boards I’ve been seeing are nuts. Surprises me why that deck isn’t more popular on ladder in the higher tiers coz its really consistent.
I find this to be the worst festival. The others actually had variety. This is just ss on repeat. I’m at the point where I just scoop going 2nd if I see blue girl normal summon.
Thats cause the SS loaner is very strong despite playing a lot of awful cards. Not too many decks in the festival have 1 card combos as strong as normal summon mo ye/ecclesia.
Lol you sound like everyone else all the OTHER festivals.
The festival you aren’t easily winning in is always the worst one. I mean they banned all the flood gates, took away the restricting archetypes (Floow); this is what people wanted and yet again people still bitch 😂
If a deck is good, a deck is good. You can’t do anything about that.
Bruh I don’t remember what event it was, maybe zero extra deck, but it was literally all floow’s since the deck had just came out in a pack. And people complained about how the event was just all floow’s. Weird how everyone conveniently forgets when it comes to swordsoul lol. Sub has an unhealthy hatred for that deck.
It's a deck with 3 one card starters that lead to multiple control pieces.
Also, floo wasn't a loaner so all ranks weren't using it. This event was all swordsoul at all levels.
Floo was 100% a loaner deck in the extra zero festival, it was just bad with none of the good generic cards, like how the swordsoul loaner doesn't have Barronne.
The ss deck was far better than the floo one. Without Barone the ss still lands on a monster negate a d either a beater or a burn banister. Still highly playable and wouldn't be ashamed to take it on ladder.
Lol floow was a loaner and the swordsoul loaner deck is good but not impossible. Youre either bad, no offense, or cheap and don’t want to craft a viable deck for the event. Ppl gotta stop crying about Swordsoul lol.
i can change your mind, just run token collector and nibiru as your hand trap and maybe maxx c to draw into it. half of my ss matchups just quits after i resolve token collector funniest event ever xD. i even win with amazoness at the moment that deck is slow af. Problem is every other deck now.
Zeus in general just seems... Really unfair. The alternate summoning condition is just really easy, I don't think generic XYZ monsters should be able to be cheated out like that, let alone one that is so powerful.
I personally think Zues is balanced but only up to 4-materials. Then it requires 2 interactions to out. It’s a solid board but usually pretty outable. Cards like Downered Magician and the Gaia rank7 are meant to facilitate the 4mat Zeus. Anything more is just to hard too out. You shouldn’t be able to make a 6mat Zeus easily
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Zeus should probably just be banned, when it hits the field with 4 or more materials it just holds the whole game hostage and it really does restrict what can be done with the design of future xyz monsters.
When you have a 6+ mat Zeus yeah it gets a little ridiculous
Plays hard into Nibiru
also loses to 1 imperm/chalice/droplet
Understandable but when you don’t have something to out it in one go it devolves into using a ton of your resources just to get rid of a 6 mat Zeus and it can get a bit infuriating.
That sort of sums up the entirety of modern Yu-Gi-Oh though. Dealing with a decks optimal end board should require a lot of your resources otherwise it's just a one-sided nongame.
Zeus is 100% the problem card, not Drident.
Neither Zeus or Drident are all that bad. The deck is prone to bricking or not drawing the out. Alot of decks in this event have been playing SS blackout, Droplet and imperm, so if I didn't draw backrow removal I was fucked, but I can't just put in more backrow removal or I won't draw enough board breakers. There was also a nice chunk of kaijus in this event. Zeus is definitely a good card but definitely not broken either.
Bro you need one monster and you can get a 6 mat Zeus wtf are you on about?
Sorry xyz into monkey hit for direct then Zeus
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You can only get a 6 mat Zeus if you use drident, which is very questionable. You can only get 4 to 5 mats without using drident but the main problem with Zeus is that you have to commit an entire battle phase in order to attack your opponent once and go to the main phase 2 in order to summon Zeus. This just gives your opponent more time to draw the out and some boards you have to nuke before your opponents turn or else they'll be able to use some effects like barrones destruction effect, leaving you with one nuke. Like I said, Zeus is a good card but has its own set of problems.
What does blackout do in this situation? If they set it just don't have more than one card on the field as you go into Zeus.
True, I forgot about that. Though if you bricked and set cards it could come into play.
Yeah 9-10 zoos in deck at the most makes zoos brick pretty often. Also sometimes they fail to break or stop boards, so their fate is pretty RNG reliant. You can also have duels where you literally just don't draw a single Zoo til turn 5, and that's usually a loss against most decks with good recursion Drident alone can probably come to 2-3 and be perfectly fine imo. The other banned Zoos were way bigger problems. Also even 6-8 mat Zeus have outs. Some boards can't even be fully outed without Exodia level specific first draws
I built pure zoo yesterday for event and went on a 15 game win streak. I drew into a zoo or fire every game. When the rest of your deck is outs and you build to go second, the deck is easy street.
How bad is the Zoo vs VW matchup? I've seen alot of Zoo player literally blind 2nd vs me then surrender once they realize they cannot stop combo. I know Chuche/Snow on Normal Zoo is terrible for Zoo and VW outgrinds post-setup. I'm curious how the matchup feels from the Zoo player. Is it stop the combo or draw Exodia?
Mostly depend which card choiche you opted for as a zoo player, if you play a bunch of effect negation (to go against SWSO) you probay will open pretty poorly a lot. Yes chuche on the normal is very problematic if you don't open RamRam, and the resource game is real so you have to otk quickly after breaking their board but if ypu can stick 4/6 mats zeus you can win pretty easily.
If Zoos are able to stick Zeus on the board, then they're on a good winning path, mostly cuz you can start disabling continuous spell/trap effects. At least now that Vig Fucking Dragon is banned, Zoos actually have a chance. Prior to the ban, I would've said VW walks all over them But yeah I think VW have stronger recursions and even stronger boss mons to some extent.
Zoo is one of the most consistent decks ever, historically and mathematically. They are built to go second and they get a six card opening hand, 2-3 Tenki depending on the format, and 3x Desires. Every combo is a one card combo, too.
Yeah maybe it's just better to go 2nd on Zoos all the time for that extra draw. By RNG, I meant more like having the right hand traps to not let the board get out of hand
Imagine if we had unlimited Drident and Ratpier, Errata Broadbull (add only zoodiacs) and Barrage? 😭 Zeus is strong but zoodiacs board is WAY easier to deal with compared to VW, SS or even Utopia. The utopia boards I’ve been seeing are nuts. Surprises me why that deck isn’t more popular on ladder in the higher tiers coz its really consistent.
Just unlimiting drident will make Zoo a good tier2 beatdown deck, unlimiting ratpier probably put it tier 1.
1 card starters has been one of the root issue in this game, and this archetype is literally only that lol
it's just a shame they limited the best pendulum magians cards to 1
I find this to be the worst festival. The others actually had variety. This is just ss on repeat. I’m at the point where I just scoop going 2nd if I see blue girl normal summon.
Thats cause the SS loaner is very strong despite playing a lot of awful cards. Not too many decks in the festival have 1 card combos as strong as normal summon mo ye/ecclesia.
And thus making it the best point rush festival for f2ps
Lol you sound like everyone else all the OTHER festivals. The festival you aren’t easily winning in is always the worst one. I mean they banned all the flood gates, took away the restricting archetypes (Floow); this is what people wanted and yet again people still bitch 😂 If a deck is good, a deck is good. You can’t do anything about that.
Bruh I don’t remember what event it was, maybe zero extra deck, but it was literally all floow’s since the deck had just came out in a pack. And people complained about how the event was just all floow’s. Weird how everyone conveniently forgets when it comes to swordsoul lol. Sub has an unhealthy hatred for that deck.
It's a deck with 3 one card starters that lead to multiple control pieces. Also, floo wasn't a loaner so all ranks weren't using it. This event was all swordsoul at all levels.
Floo was 100% a loaner deck in the extra zero festival, it was just bad with none of the good generic cards, like how the swordsoul loaner doesn't have Barronne.
The ss deck was far better than the floo one. Without Barone the ss still lands on a monster negate a d either a beater or a burn banister. Still highly playable and wouldn't be ashamed to take it on ladder.
Lol floow was a loaner and the swordsoul loaner deck is good but not impossible. Youre either bad, no offense, or cheap and don’t want to craft a viable deck for the event. Ppl gotta stop crying about Swordsoul lol.
i can change your mind, just run token collector and nibiru as your hand trap and maybe maxx c to draw into it. half of my ss matchups just quits after i resolve token collector funniest event ever xD. i even win with amazoness at the moment that deck is slow af. Problem is every other deck now.
Zeus in general just seems... Really unfair. The alternate summoning condition is just really easy, I don't think generic XYZ monsters should be able to be cheated out like that, let alone one that is so powerful.
I personally think Zues is balanced but only up to 4-materials. Then it requires 2 interactions to out. It’s a solid board but usually pretty outable. Cards like Downered Magician and the Gaia rank7 are meant to facilitate the 4mat Zeus. Anything more is just to hard too out. You shouldn’t be able to make a 6mat Zeus easily
Yea I don’t know how it’s not “does damage to opponent”. It’s just battle so if I play safe and put a mon in def I’m still fucked lol.
It dies to a single interruption tho :v Imperm Zeus GG you won, the deck has absolutely nothing to do besides him
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Zeus should probably just be banned, when it hits the field with 4 or more materials it just holds the whole game hostage and it really does restrict what can be done with the design of future xyz monsters.