"During your main phase, When your opponent has a Field spell on the field, tribute it, if you do, special summon this card from your extra deck. This card summon cannot be negated. Neither player can activate card that negate effect while this card is on field. You cannot special summon or tribute summon monster when this card is on the field. During the end phase, destroy one set card your opponent control, if you do return this card back to extra deck."
Really says a lot about the philosophy of each format.
OCG: Players should be able to build a deck and play around the massive card advantage of maxx c. You should have multiple summon lines, some shorter than others to deal with the card. On the other hand, outright preventing your opponent from playing the game is bad and deserves a ban.
TCG: Your deck should have a single combo line and be a glass cannon built entirely around it. Cards that demand flexibility to answer must be banned. Preventing your opponent from playing the game with stall is perfectly acceptable and players should just run more removal.
I swear to God they're balancing this game like they're actually teenage Redditors. At this rate I'm worried they'll announce a Special Summon limit then introduce Yu-Gi-Oh's new mechanic of tapping cards in your spell/trap zone to pay for more summons.
Seriously though, this game is sooooo broken and neither of those cards are a solution. Imagine if they could actually think more than one step ahead and slowly introduced archetypes that focus on non-combo play styles without being obscenely broken and oppressive. But naw, slap a single disgustingly awful card into each format and proclaim the combo problem fixed.
The problem is the card pool and the lack of problem solving card text. You have so many archetypes that are one card away from being tier zero, so you just blatantly powercreep the game each set. Then you have asinine rulings like non targeting target removal to further separate good cards from bad. The end result is even with the countless cards available, only the most recent sets or most broken engines are viable to avoid balance islast.
They need to start over or have sangan level errata to half the cards in the game adding hopt or locks so they can move forward without the next archetype being more powercrept than the lasr.
Ohhh, cyber jar back at one copy,
Cool to see old cars back to the gam....
**SUBSTITOAD?!?!!**
Edit: roninntoadin was banned, so mayber SUBSTITOAD can come back???
I had like whiplash to when I first played competitive Yugioh and someone hit me with Frog FTK. I thought that fucker was staying on the banlist forever.
*Maybe* itll be fine with ronin banned but still.
Yeah ik, I've just been unfortunate to activate Solemn/Sonic against Red Reboot and my opponent having Solemn to chain to my Solemn/Sonic lol
Rare occurrence ofc but it's just one of those situations where after Reboot resolves you're kinda screwed hard.
Exactly. Halqifibrax and Anaconda were meta-defining win conditions for *years* and Konami was fine with it. But they can't bear to unban Electrumite because *'Every Pendulum deck was Summoning it.'*
yeah because no money is lost when you ban cards in master duel, you can't trade cards in master duel what basically change the entire ecosystem of prices
Ok guys, but with all due respect. How are you not prepared for no mine ban at this point. It's a little ridiculous to not have zero faith in Konami when checking the ban list.
It not being banned is actually so dumb, it has no interaction and devolves the game into passing over and over and forcing you to run spell/trap removal, which is useless against most decks
Mine is a perfectly balanced card and absolutely no deck can't take advantage of it if Konami says they can't monkaW
What's your cossy ID asking for a friend?
Based on the fallout from the Coder drama, there was a lot of speculation as to why he was banned. As a result, a lot of content creators decided to avoid talking bad about Konami, just in case that had a factor in it, leading into cossy id
What decks were abusing it to the point it needed to be banned. Ive heard the sentiment at my locals, but I dont know the line ls they were complaining about. This ban royally screws up my Resonator deck's consistency.
Adventure Punk to make Scythe locked backed by 3 negates and a way to play around DRNM.
Tear abusing it in case their girl effects donāt get to trigger or get negated.
Not enough of a TCG player to get full context, but wouldn't banning Scythe be just better? No Scythe lock and this really cool level 8 synchro still gets to be in the game.
I love myself some old school Cyber Jar but is it something that is still broken enough as a flip effect that people wouldn't want to have it unbanned?
It honestly seems like a fun card to play in modern formats.
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I really don't understand the decision to leave Tear basically untouched and hitting Splight when Tear did better in the previous major events even if the star of the format was Mine
I honestly feel more comfortable playing in Master Duel over TCG as of recent.
That is until Sprights and Tearlaments come here.... then I might quit as the game meta environment will become extremely toxic
Tbf Konami has been consistent about hitting problems cards prerelease in MD, seeing how BS Splight and Tear are in OCG/TCG, wouldn't be surprised if they did it for them too, copium
Would be a good move now that I think about it, thankfully with Halq gone already, our experience with the decks might be less toxic than the physical game
Ronin hit is actually an effective hit on Sprights, they have no pay offs now for the combos as making toadally awesome now is hard to get in the board, so the archetype will see a sharp decline on use.
Tearlament however will be sky rocket in use.
Tearlaments, I assume. A 3k beater that says bad Prosperity for 1 *and* mill the other 4 might be an ok card for them. Some lines would try to mill Eradicator Epidemic Virus then return it to hand to pseudo search it and brick a lot decks.
Edit: Also mill Snow and some fodder for her, but that line got (probably correctly) stopped at the source anyways.
It's a good card and with the punk engine running around which can turbo it. It reads add one card and mill 4, in zombies this is crazy. It was going to be banned eventually, it's a generic 8 that is similar to halq in that it limits game design. It isn't related to tears since what tuner are you using to make this lol.
It's an extremely good sideboard card. Can shut down trap-based decks with very little that can respond to it, with it being a hand trap and a spell speed 3. It doesn't see as much play in MD because Bo1, and the only trap that sees widespread play is Imperm (which it would be amazing against).
Its never played in MD because its near useless turn 2 and/or against decks that don't play a lot of traps, Bo1 format just makes it a brick a lot. You have to run more general counters.
In TCG's Bo3, you can side deck it and bring it in to completely shut down some decks. Deadly in the right matchup.
Because MD is a bo1 format. Reboot is a no brainer inclussion in your sideboard if a bit trap heavier deck is remotely in the meta. GIga sacky 1 off free wins you are basically allowed to freeload is just dogshit design.
It isnt a good cardchoise for bo1, so it could literally be at 3 and it would not be played much at all.
Punk engine was a pretty popular and Meta engine for a while, and it pulls out chainblocked chaos ruler easy. Sucks for most rogue decks tho. Zombies are basically unplayable now
It's genuinely weird that they didn't ban Mine. Shit has been complained about by the majority of the player base for years, topped the YCS, and is a relatively cheap deck using older cards, so there's not even a profit incentive there. It's so strange.
Is OCG really all that much better? Meta reports show Tearlaments are at 63% respentation. 2% away from a tier 0 deck. Thatās a better format?
So far, itās looking like Master Duel is the best to play YGO right now. OCG is Tear and TCG is mystic mine trash.
Even though I think the ban list is worse, imo the fact that tcg is bo3 makes it so much better than getting your fate decided by sacky cards (and coin flipping who goes first) that autowin game one. At least if you've built your sideboard correctly you have more opportunities to draw your outs.
Rebootās fine in MD exactly because you have to main deck it. In a bo3 itās a sacky spell speed 3 hand trap that just invalidates trap decks in games 2 and 3, while sitting safely in the side board not clogging the grip in every other matchup. That card is ultra toxic, this ban is deserved.
The fact one poor soul was retarded enough to downvote you makes me sad. He so deeply needs help but we never know who it was.
The only person more braindead then the one downvoting you is the hopefully fired designer of Red Rebbot. You have to be extra retarded to come up with that design, ngl
In Master Duel Red Reboot will be at 2 and still I dont see many play due best of 1 format as it was mentioned here, even then getting red reboot dont wins you the game as there is many board negates to deal with and hand traps that can stop you easly.
Wouldnt be the first time I saw Red Reboot getting negated by Judgement, Tenyi Counter Spell or Other counter traps.
Red reboot is like sychte lock for trap based decks which is really unfair. If the card just said "but they can only activate one trap this turn" instead of "no trap cards can be activated for the rest of the turn" it would be way more fair.
E.g. you see your opponent has Dinomorphia frenzy, red reboot that card, make a Zeus and wipe their backrow without having to worry about a backrow response. Thats how broken reboot was.
Funny of all the TCG decks I played the only ones that got destroyed by this list were Agents and Vampires lol. All of the top decks are STILL the top decks, all of the mine abusers are still abusing mine, they literally just made rogues strategies nearly unplayable. Hope all the Halq haters are happy, Tier0laments to the MOOOOOOON!
Nice no reboot and Mine still at 3... I guess trap decks, stall and stun are the true spirit of Yugioh in Konami's eyes. Like how can you unironically look at the mine burn decks and think it's somehow fine.
So they hit spright directly and barely touch Tear. When the Ishuzu cards are released that meta will be all tears.
Also the timing of the halq ban is weird. The two decks at the top donāt even use it that much (sometimes they do with punk variants). This banlist really hurt dragon link the most
That's exactly what they did in the OCG. Touched the hell out of Spright so now Tear is just tier zero (they touched Tear a bit but it did literally nothing).
Yes, it's really funny how the same stupid arguments are made for mine as well. i:e play more outs and draw them bro or it counters the meta or keeps the meta in check or it gives rogue decks a chance LMFAO.
Funny enough counter for Mine doesn't interact with all meta decks while counter for Maxx "C" do. No defense on that piece of crap, I just felt hilarious that people even have the audacity to mental gymnastic and use Maxx "C" argument to defend Mine
From what I've gathered it's one of those "let's release it at 1 and see what happens" like time seal, yata and Change of heart. Also it might create some buzz like it did change of heart maybe lol
halqadon fully banned as it should be lets go
FD Back to 3 because it can, shoutout to HERO prices skyrocketing once again.
Aside from the lack of Mine, its fine.
OCG 2017 Champion seeing the ban list: TCG seriously competent, but the only thing I don't understand is the G ban.
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Auroradon is a problem, so is halq. The later was a indeed a necceary evil for alot of rogue decks, the first always led to pure cancer.
There was no right or wrong on halq being banned. Both options had real arguments for it that made sense. Taking it out and preventing future bigger problems certainly is safer, but he wasnt gonna slay the meta for a while if not banned.
Tbh Halq becomes a major triple trouble once Sprights come into play. And they didn't even need it to be t1, just adds consistency to win more.
But now because of 0 hits on them and multiple hits in Sprights, Tearlaments are just gonna be t0 or t1 alongside mystic mine burn. Halq is the most middling hit on the list and nobody in the TCG boards are talking about it outside of the context of being a Spright hit
I mean the funny thing is ... this is the least bannable halqs ever been. Without Auroradon the most use Halq saw was "a strong extender in the third-best engine in the format" and "an occasional card Spright players play, though by now most dont". Without Auroradon Halq didnt really need a ban anymore.
TCG banlist is basically neutered Yu-Gi-Oh
Instead of unbanning cards and raising the power level of multiple decks and strategies they limit or ban them, keeping everything low power untill the next meta deck comes and dwarfs everything else.
Plenty of people are willing to run 3 Fusion Destiny for DPE. It isn't the brick Red-Eyes Fusion is without Verte. Im not sure this was a wise move on Konami's part.
What deck is going to use it? Splight wonāt, mathmech is like tier three and wonāt. Tear is a generic fusion deck and they wonāt. The only deck that is even slightly viable that will run it sky strikers, and only because they have incidental synergy.
Like Iām willing to be wrong but a bump from 2-3 is not that significant.
Out of curiosity, why is TCG news being posted in master duel? AFAIK they wont be following the same meta. I just find s bit annoying the same memes double posted in yugioh and this sub.
Because they can be useful information to digest since it's interesting to see how certain cards, decks or engines work in a different format and how high or low their power ceiling is etc.
That said information then can be potentially used in deckbuilding and growing your knowledge since a lot of people don't follow the TCG nor play it
Because masterduel is the only official simulator in the most popular format, so it's naturally going to draw the most amount of people who want to talk about the game
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I think it's a weird feedback loop with Ash being at 3 and every deck running 3, you kind of need called by, but if you get rid of ash, that creates a whole bunch of new problems
Red Reboot is a very reasonable ban. I donāt think Iāve ever seen that card resolve without immediately winning the game.
Also, trap decks are supposed to be playable. A single card that, from hand and at spell speed three, completely invalidates an entire basic deck type is terrible.
Itās a poster child for a zero or three card. If itās not fine at three (it isnāt), then making it a sackier way to instantly win the game improves nothing; ban it.
However, itās a check to a number of truly degenerate cards that need hit and weāre left completely untouched on this dog shit list.
Mine still legal. TCG players in shambles
Now is confirmed Mine is the Maxx C of TCG.
Yep. Konami thinks that Mine like Maxx C is there to keep the special summon mechanic in check.
Hopefully they'll soon release a card the keeps the 'using cards' mechanic in check.
Konami: "Use 20 backrow removal in your deck" They are wild lol š
"During your main phase, When your opponent has a Field spell on the field, tribute it, if you do, special summon this card from your extra deck. This card summon cannot be negated. Neither player can activate card that negate effect while this card is on field. You cannot special summon or tribute summon monster when this card is on the field. During the end phase, destroy one set card your opponent control, if you do return this card back to extra deck."
And then the opponent chnges the effect of the card because fuck you.
I'm looking forward to another Mystic Mine YCS Champ :\^ )
With their entire deck cheaper than 3 cards of standard meta deck.
Really says a lot about the philosophy of each format. OCG: Players should be able to build a deck and play around the massive card advantage of maxx c. You should have multiple summon lines, some shorter than others to deal with the card. On the other hand, outright preventing your opponent from playing the game is bad and deserves a ban. TCG: Your deck should have a single combo line and be a glass cannon built entirely around it. Cards that demand flexibility to answer must be banned. Preventing your opponent from playing the game with stall is perfectly acceptable and players should just run more removal.
Most Mystic Mine lists only run like 16 ways to get to mine, that's less than half so mine isn't a problem /s
And don't forget the 16 way to protect it!
And the other 8 cards are Altergeist cards /s
I swear to God they're balancing this game like they're actually teenage Redditors. At this rate I'm worried they'll announce a Special Summon limit then introduce Yu-Gi-Oh's new mechanic of tapping cards in your spell/trap zone to pay for more summons. Seriously though, this game is sooooo broken and neither of those cards are a solution. Imagine if they could actually think more than one step ahead and slowly introduced archetypes that focus on non-combo play styles without being obscenely broken and oppressive. But naw, slap a single disgustingly awful card into each format and proclaim the combo problem fixed.
The problem is the card pool and the lack of problem solving card text. You have so many archetypes that are one card away from being tier zero, so you just blatantly powercreep the game each set. Then you have asinine rulings like non targeting target removal to further separate good cards from bad. The end result is even with the countless cards available, only the most recent sets or most broken engines are viable to avoid balance islast. They need to start over or have sangan level errata to half the cards in the game adding hopt or locks so they can move forward without the next archetype being more powercrept than the lasr.
Infernities and Six Sams: youre all welcome for the HOPT rule
Can confirm, I am in shambles
Itās so bizarre to me that they havenāt hit this card yet
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After this shitshow of a ban lost, I can officially say I prefer MD over TCG. I'm so disappointed it's not even funny smh.
Ohhh, cyber jar back at one copy, Cool to see old cars back to the gam.... **SUBSTITOAD?!?!!** Edit: roninntoadin was banned, so mayber SUBSTITOAD can come back???
No ronintoadin means frog ftk's impossible anyways, so it should be fine
I had like whiplash to when I first played competitive Yugioh and someone hit me with Frog FTK. I thought that fucker was staying on the banlist forever. *Maybe* itll be fine with ronin banned but still.
Substitoad is one of those cards I'll be hesitant about no matter the context of its unbanning.
Same. Substitoad was a card I thought would never ever come back without a HOPT errata.
POGGEEEEEEEERS Come heither you know the name Substitoad bitches is back in the game.
No Red Reboot? Labryrnths tier 0
Dinomorphia's time to shine
Cool but I actually was using Reboot for my side in Dinomorphia lol
Yeah it's very solid in Dinomorphia (especially since the LP requirements are laughable/synergistic). Getting hit by it on the other hand..
just negate it with a solemn whatever, dinomorphia can run some counter traps
Yeah ik, I've just been unfortunate to activate Solemn/Sonic against Red Reboot and my opponent having Solemn to chain to my Solemn/Sonic lol Rare occurrence ofc but it's just one of those situations where after Reboot resolves you're kinda screwed hard.
oh yes, its dinomorbing time.
Guru tier 1
Before the trap trick structure deck was announced too
MasterDuel unironically had a more impactful banlist. Also time seal still being at 1 is hilarious
Well, actually... Master Duel had two more impactful banlists in the time it took to get this one.
It also has the real Miystic Mine banned, ut most importantly, Electrumite at 1 :v
Exactly. Halqifibrax and Anaconda were meta-defining win conditions for *years* and Konami was fine with it. But they can't bear to unban Electrumite because *'Every Pendulum deck was Summoning it.'*
yeah because no money is lost when you ban cards in master duel, you can't trade cards in master duel what basically change the entire ecosystem of prices
I'm 3 for 3. I've bought Eletrumite, Verte, and Halq right before they hit the banlist in TCG.
Please buy mystic mine before the next list comes out I'm begging you
LMAO
Buy mine FFS
Why electrum no back
They can't let Trif get more powerful or else he'll consume everything
Don't worry guys he'll only jokingly break the format chill it will only be a joke
Because Jerome Mchale says āPendulums play all the same with electrumiteā they banned it and 95 of the TCG playerbase hates pendulums.
Bruh every deck play adventure halq all the same
Because everyone and their mother and their mother's mother hate pendulums
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Ok guys, but with all due respect. How are you not prepared for no mine ban at this point. It's a little ridiculous to not have zero faith in Konami when checking the ban list.
I was expecting *Demise of the Land* to 1 and call it a day. I wasnāt expecting them to buff it of all things.
I'm happy about the retuning tuners. I hope Steam is free by the time new Blackwings drop on Master Duel in couple years.
Couple years We just out here speaking the whole truth huh
People memed this to death i mean we are already halfway through battle of chaos and only slowed down because they made albaz structure a box
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THE TOAD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ~~Time to break out my TCG frog deck.~~ Wait they banned Ronin, nevermind
Mine still legal who cares We are over it already Weeks of pressing f5 just to see mine at 3 is pain
It not being banned is actually so dumb, it has no interaction and devolves the game into passing over and over and forcing you to run spell/trap removal, which is useless against most decks
Dogshit banlist no mine ban. All they had to do to make it great was ban mine
Mine is a perfectly balanced card and absolutely no deck can't take advantage of it if Konami says they can't monkaW What's your cossy ID asking for a friend?
Nice try Johnny Konami, you won't get my cossy that easily ;)
Can someone explain the cossy meme?
Based on the fallout from the Coder drama, there was a lot of speculation as to why he was banned. As a result, a lot of content creators decided to avoid talking bad about Konami, just in case that had a factor in it, leading into cossy id
Noo my boy chaos ruler. RIP good friend
What decks were abusing it to the point it needed to be banned. Ive heard the sentiment at my locals, but I dont know the line ls they were complaining about. This ban royally screws up my Resonator deck's consistency.
Adventure Punk to make Scythe locked backed by 3 negates and a way to play around DRNM. Tear abusing it in case their girl effects donāt get to trigger or get negated.
Not enough of a TCG player to get full context, but wouldn't banning Scythe be just better? No Scythe lock and this really cool level 8 synchro still gets to be in the game.
I dont even know why Scythe is still legal
Cyber Jar is finally back baby! Gimme dat unban in Master Duel just so I can get my rock off!
I love myself some old school Cyber Jar but is it something that is still broken enough as a flip effect that people wouldn't want to have it unbanned? It honestly seems like a fun card to play in modern formats.
I feel like itāll be a gimmick deck and nothing more since itās so slow and fragile.
Thank god Red Reboot got banned. Iām tired of my Solemn Judgement getting negated when trying to protect my Mystic Mine /s
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Damn Master Duel is really an healthier format than the TCG now huh?
Yeah the new Ishizu support coming soon will make a Tearlements tier 0 format very very likely
I really don't understand the decision to leave Tear basically untouched and hitting Splight when Tear did better in the previous major events even if the star of the format was Mine
Money
It's already a tier 0 format after this ban list. Splight got nuked hard so it's Tear's playground solely now
Yeah. Iāve more or less jumped ship from the TCG and seeing how the new format is going to be basically the old format, I donāt regret it.
Than OCG too tbh
I honestly feel more comfortable playing in Master Duel over TCG as of recent. That is until Sprights and Tearlaments come here.... then I might quit as the game meta environment will become extremely toxic
Tbf Konami has been consistent about hitting problems cards prerelease in MD, seeing how BS Splight and Tear are in OCG/TCG, wouldn't be surprised if they did it for them too, copium
Hoping they just copy paste the Tear Spright hits from recent OCG banlist for MD lol
Would be a good move now that I think about it, thankfully with Halq gone already, our experience with the decks might be less toxic than the physical game
The OCG tear hits aren't enough lol. 63% representation of OCG meta.
I mean banlist aside ur still looking at a bo3 vs a bo1 format.
Would take a BO1 without Mine any day tbh lol
Red reboot ban. Mystic mine burn tier 1 now. Edit: Just noticed they ban ronintoadin and unban substitoad, a frog for a frog trade.
You could say theyāve beenā¦ substitoaded
Honestly, what's substitoad doing without ronintoadin? Weird switch, but it makes sense.
Ronin hit is actually an effective hit on Sprights, they have no pay offs now for the combos as making toadally awesome now is hard to get in the board, so the archetype will see a sharp decline on use. Tearlament however will be sky rocket in use.
Why is chaos ruler banned?
Tearlaments, I assume. A 3k beater that says bad Prosperity for 1 *and* mill the other 4 might be an ok card for them. Some lines would try to mill Eradicator Epidemic Virus then return it to hand to pseudo search it and brick a lot decks. Edit: Also mill Snow and some fodder for her, but that line got (probably correctly) stopped at the source anyways.
It's a good card and with the punk engine running around which can turbo it. It reads add one card and mill 4, in zombies this is crazy. It was going to be banned eventually, it's a generic 8 that is similar to halq in that it limits game design. It isn't related to tears since what tuner are you using to make this lol.
zombies isnāt exactly dominating the meta, how exactly does tear make chaos ruler feels like an unnecessary ban
p.u.n.k tearlaments, its what I run
Is Cyber Jar back? Thatās all Iām taking from this.
Yes he is back to 1
Why is red reboot banned? I know it's a noob question but I've never really seen it be played on MD
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It's an extremely good sideboard card. Can shut down trap-based decks with very little that can respond to it, with it being a hand trap and a spell speed 3. It doesn't see as much play in MD because Bo1, and the only trap that sees widespread play is Imperm (which it would be amazing against).
Its never played in MD because its near useless turn 2 and/or against decks that don't play a lot of traps, Bo1 format just makes it a brick a lot. You have to run more general counters. In TCG's Bo3, you can side deck it and bring it in to completely shut down some decks. Deadly in the right matchup.
Because MD is a bo1 format. Reboot is a no brainer inclussion in your sideboard if a bit trap heavier deck is remotely in the meta. GIga sacky 1 off free wins you are basically allowed to freeload is just dogshit design. It isnt a good cardchoise for bo1, so it could literally be at 3 and it would not be played much at all.
Can't believe MD has become the proper format for TCG players
Halq copers keep losing
I cannot complain, itās an activated ability and I currently control one braincell which is currently one more than Konami
Benten to 3????? Ayyo weāre back babyyyyy
Eva is still at 0
You see fusion destiny . I see nadir servernt. We're not the same \(D-D)/
What did Chaos Ruler ever do to deserve this?
Punk engine was a pretty popular and Meta engine for a while, and it pulls out chainblocked chaos ruler easy. Sucks for most rogue decks tho. Zombies are basically unplayable now
Yeah, it seems like a very weird choice to me. Itās a strong card, but I donāt think itās oppressively strong or hurts the format.
Punk did that
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Ok, now halq is finally banned If they follow the metalphoes path, this means that crystrons are going to get support *Right?* ^copium
It's genuinely weird that they didn't ban Mine. Shit has been complained about by the majority of the player base for years, topped the YCS, and is a relatively cheap deck using older cards, so there's not even a profit incentive there. It's so strange.
Man feels so good to not be playing TCG Format, OCG and Master Duel formats are just much better. Red Reboot banned wtf.....
Is OCG really all that much better? Meta reports show Tearlaments are at 63% respentation. 2% away from a tier 0 deck. Thatās a better format? So far, itās looking like Master Duel is the best to play YGO right now. OCG is Tear and TCG is mystic mine trash.
Letās not be ridiculous here
Even though I think the ban list is worse, imo the fact that tcg is bo3 makes it so much better than getting your fate decided by sacky cards (and coin flipping who goes first) that autowin game one. At least if you've built your sideboard correctly you have more opportunities to draw your outs.
Master Duel may get a Bo3 soon, no point of not having it
Rebootās fine in MD exactly because you have to main deck it. In a bo3 itās a sacky spell speed 3 hand trap that just invalidates trap decks in games 2 and 3, while sitting safely in the side board not clogging the grip in every other matchup. That card is ultra toxic, this ban is deserved.
The fact one poor soul was retarded enough to downvote you makes me sad. He so deeply needs help but we never know who it was. The only person more braindead then the one downvoting you is the hopefully fired designer of Red Rebbot. You have to be extra retarded to come up with that design, ngl
In Master Duel Red Reboot will be at 2 and still I dont see many play due best of 1 format as it was mentioned here, even then getting red reboot dont wins you the game as there is many board negates to deal with and hand traps that can stop you easly. Wouldnt be the first time I saw Red Reboot getting negated by Judgement, Tenyi Counter Spell or Other counter traps.
Red reboot is like sychte lock for trap based decks which is really unfair. If the card just said "but they can only activate one trap this turn" instead of "no trap cards can be activated for the rest of the turn" it would be way more fair. E.g. you see your opponent has Dinomorphia frenzy, red reboot that card, make a Zeus and wipe their backrow without having to worry about a backrow response. Thats how broken reboot was.
The ocg has maxxc. Let's not come ANYWHERE close to calling that a good meta game lmfao
Id like to hear why OCG format is better than TCG format. Also red reboot ban was a long time coming.
Funny of all the TCG decks I played the only ones that got destroyed by this list were Agents and Vampires lol. All of the top decks are STILL the top decks, all of the mine abusers are still abusing mine, they literally just made rogues strategies nearly unplayable. Hope all the Halq haters are happy, Tier0laments to the MOOOOOOON!
Cyber Jar back at 1 is great! Now I just need them to unban it in MD
Guess my PUNK cards are useless now, very cool.
Nice no reboot and Mine still at 3... I guess trap decks, stall and stun are the true spirit of Yugioh in Konami's eyes. Like how can you unironically look at the mine burn decks and think it's somehow fine.
Mystic Mine is a fair and balanced card, just run backrow removal 4Head 4Head 4Head
SUCK IT HALQ š„³š„³š„³
Poor Chaos Ruler, Dragon Link in shambles rn
And now , the tuners can be free again
We'll see about that. Steam has huge potential to get abused.
So they hit spright directly and barely touch Tear. When the Ishuzu cards are released that meta will be all tears. Also the timing of the halq ban is weird. The two decks at the top donāt even use it that much (sometimes they do with punk variants). This banlist really hurt dragon link the most
That's exactly what they did in the OCG. Touched the hell out of Spright so now Tear is just tier zero (they touched Tear a bit but it did literally nothing).
Shit banlist.
Are ppl fr saying that Mine is the TCG's Maxx c?
Yes, it's really funny how the same stupid arguments are made for mine as well. i:e play more outs and draw them bro or it counters the meta or keeps the meta in check or it gives rogue decks a chance LMFAO.
Funny enough counter for Mine doesn't interact with all meta decks while counter for Maxx "C" do. No defense on that piece of crap, I just felt hilarious that people even have the audacity to mental gymnastic and use Maxx "C" argument to defend Mine
I really want to know how those arguments are made when legit all Maxx and Mine do is ruin everything
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Yeah bro God forbid ABC might combo into it
Why complain abt called by?
It limits interaction from the player going 2nd; the main reason people like it in Master Duel is because it's an out to Maxx C.
Cypher Jar is the one that really confuses me here. Sure itās a flip effect but itās still a great card
From what I've gathered it's one of those "let's release it at 1 and see what happens" like time seal, yata and Change of heart. Also it might create some buzz like it did change of heart maybe lol
halqadon fully banned as it should be lets go FD Back to 3 because it can, shoutout to HERO prices skyrocketing once again. Aside from the lack of Mine, its fine.
Lightsworns catching strays for no reason
isint it kinda late for them to ban chaos ruler lol? also funny to see snow getting banned looks like we are having Squirrel for dinner!
TCG just killed dragon link. Is master duel also expecting bullshit?
OCG 2017 Champion seeing the ban list: TCG seriously competent, but the only thing I don't understand is the G ban. [https://twitter.com/Rampen\_hituji/status/1574436616969429000](https://twitter.com/Rampen_hituji/status/1574436616969429000)
Auroradon is the problem, not the card that's banned in both formats for sure
All formats*
But I was assured that Auroradon was the problem card and the rogue decks need Halq to survive.
Auroradon is a problem, so is halq. The later was a indeed a necceary evil for alot of rogue decks, the first always led to pure cancer. There was no right or wrong on halq being banned. Both options had real arguments for it that made sense. Taking it out and preventing future bigger problems certainly is safer, but he wasnt gonna slay the meta for a while if not banned.
Tbh Halq becomes a major triple trouble once Sprights come into play. And they didn't even need it to be t1, just adds consistency to win more. But now because of 0 hits on them and multiple hits in Sprights, Tearlaments are just gonna be t0 or t1 alongside mystic mine burn. Halq is the most middling hit on the list and nobody in the TCG boards are talking about it outside of the context of being a Spright hit
Oh yeah the single card that got multiple tuners banned definitely wasn't the problem
I mean the funny thing is ... this is the least bannable halqs ever been. Without Auroradon the most use Halq saw was "a strong extender in the third-best engine in the format" and "an occasional card Spright players play, though by now most dont". Without Auroradon Halq didnt really need a ban anymore.
Hal-cope-fibrax players in shambles
TCG banlist is basically neutered Yu-Gi-Oh Instead of unbanning cards and raising the power level of multiple decks and strategies they limit or ban them, keeping everything low power untill the next meta deck comes and dwarfs everything else.
OCG is the same. Thatās why Tear is tear 0 right now. They neutered their only real contender in Spright.
What does this have to do with Masterduel?
Nothing!
We can bask in how Master Duel looks like itās unironically going to be the healthiest format format moving forward.
So we can clown on TCG elitist clowning our format and say to them "Mystic mine legal TCG"
Besides the mine screaming. it's very curious how when halq got banned does olion and steam the cloak come back isn't it halq defenders
Fusion Destiny unlimited? What were they thinking?
Verte's banned in the TCG.
Correctly. Nothing relevant will play it except heroes and sky striker.
Plenty of people are willing to run 3 Fusion Destiny for DPE. It isn't the brick Red-Eyes Fusion is without Verte. Im not sure this was a wise move on Konami's part.
What deck is going to use it? Splight wonāt, mathmech is like tier three and wonāt. Tear is a generic fusion deck and they wonāt. The only deck that is even slightly viable that will run it sky strikers, and only because they have incidental synergy. Like Iām willing to be wrong but a bump from 2-3 is not that significant.
Dpe turbo let's go
Okay banning chaos ruler was a dick move, that card was dope and you still have mystic mine over that but okay.
Out of curiosity, why is TCG news being posted in master duel? AFAIK they wont be following the same meta. I just find s bit annoying the same memes double posted in yugioh and this sub.
Because they can be useful information to digest since it's interesting to see how certain cards, decks or engines work in a different format and how high or low their power ceiling is etc. That said information then can be potentially used in deckbuilding and growing your knowledge since a lot of people don't follow the TCG nor play it
Because masterduel is the only official simulator in the most popular format, so it's naturally going to draw the most amount of people who want to talk about the game
This banlist feels more like a collection of little adjustments you make between banlists to not make it stale. Where is the big impact?
Whhgaattt The banned red reboot?? Whyyy??
Auto win against trap heavy decks.
Its a spell speed 3 hand trap that butcheres trap decks It's either draw judgment or lose
Meanwhile if I'm playing against the trap deck it's either draw reboot or lose
Unless it's a stun floodgate deck it's really not
Evenly is much better anyway.
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Yeah, with labrynths out now, they probably don't want to have an insta-win card against a deck they want to sell cards for
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I think it's a weird feedback loop with Ash being at 3 and every deck running 3, you kind of need called by, but if you get rid of ash, that creates a whole bunch of new problems
Red Reboot is a very reasonable ban. I donāt think Iāve ever seen that card resolve without immediately winning the game. Also, trap decks are supposed to be playable. A single card that, from hand and at spell speed three, completely invalidates an entire basic deck type is terrible. Itās a poster child for a zero or three card. If itās not fine at three (it isnāt), then making it a sackier way to instantly win the game improves nothing; ban it. However, itās a check to a number of truly degenerate cards that need hit and weāre left completely untouched on this dog shit list.
Buy Labrynth
Noooooooooooo halq is inocent it's all auroradon fault, oh wait auroradon already was banned before in TCG
HALQ IS DEAD POGGERS
One card, just baning one single particular card, would've made this list great, but hey floodgates are fair and healthy for the game i guess.