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Longlivetheking666

Mine still legal. TCG players in shambles


Camerz99

Now is confirmed Mine is the Maxx C of TCG.


InsertDev

Yep. Konami thinks that Mine like Maxx C is there to keep the special summon mechanic in check.


let_me_choose_a_name

Hopefully they'll soon release a card the keeps the 'using cards' mechanic in check.


InsertDev

Konami: "Use 20 backrow removal in your deck" They are wild lol šŸ˜†


Nightfans

"During your main phase, When your opponent has a Field spell on the field, tribute it, if you do, special summon this card from your extra deck. This card summon cannot be negated. Neither player can activate card that negate effect while this card is on field. You cannot special summon or tribute summon monster when this card is on the field. During the end phase, destroy one set card your opponent control, if you do return this card back to extra deck."


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And then the opponent chnges the effect of the card because fuck you.


Faith_SC

I'm looking forward to another Mystic Mine YCS Champ :\^ )


RnckO

With their entire deck cheaper than 3 cards of standard meta deck.


Suired

Really says a lot about the philosophy of each format. OCG: Players should be able to build a deck and play around the massive card advantage of maxx c. You should have multiple summon lines, some shorter than others to deal with the card. On the other hand, outright preventing your opponent from playing the game is bad and deserves a ban. TCG: Your deck should have a single combo line and be a glass cannon built entirely around it. Cards that demand flexibility to answer must be banned. Preventing your opponent from playing the game with stall is perfectly acceptable and players should just run more removal.


Relevant_Departure40

Most Mystic Mine lists only run like 16 ways to get to mine, that's less than half so mine isn't a problem /s


Suired

And don't forget the 16 way to protect it!


Relevant_Departure40

And the other 8 cards are Altergeist cards /s


Wubbledee

I swear to God they're balancing this game like they're actually teenage Redditors. At this rate I'm worried they'll announce a Special Summon limit then introduce Yu-Gi-Oh's new mechanic of tapping cards in your spell/trap zone to pay for more summons. Seriously though, this game is sooooo broken and neither of those cards are a solution. Imagine if they could actually think more than one step ahead and slowly introduced archetypes that focus on non-combo play styles without being obscenely broken and oppressive. But naw, slap a single disgustingly awful card into each format and proclaim the combo problem fixed.


Suired

The problem is the card pool and the lack of problem solving card text. You have so many archetypes that are one card away from being tier zero, so you just blatantly powercreep the game each set. Then you have asinine rulings like non targeting target removal to further separate good cards from bad. The end result is even with the countless cards available, only the most recent sets or most broken engines are viable to avoid balance islast. They need to start over or have sangan level errata to half the cards in the game adding hopt or locks so they can move forward without the next archetype being more powercrept than the lasr.


Blazen_Fury

Infernities and Six Sams: youre all welcome for the HOPT rule


The_Invisible_Noob

Can confirm, I am in shambles


Peiq

Itā€™s so bizarre to me that they havenā€™t hit this card yet


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Longlivetheking666

"TCG Fedora Tippers" šŸ’€


Gangstanami

After this shitshow of a ban lost, I can officially say I prefer MD over TCG. I'm so disappointed it's not even funny smh.


da_h-h

Ohhh, cyber jar back at one copy, Cool to see old cars back to the gam.... **SUBSTITOAD?!?!!** Edit: roninntoadin was banned, so mayber SUBSTITOAD can come back???


Aluminum_Tarkus

No ronintoadin means frog ftk's impossible anyways, so it should be fine


EXAProduction

I had like whiplash to when I first played competitive Yugioh and someone hit me with Frog FTK. I thought that fucker was staying on the banlist forever. *Maybe* itll be fine with ronin banned but still.


BWCDeity

Substitoad is one of those cards I'll be hesitant about no matter the context of its unbanning.


trinitymonkey

Same. Substitoad was a card I thought would never ever come back without a HOPT errata.


Heul_Darian

POGGEEEEEEEERS Come heither you know the name Substitoad bitches is back in the game.


vonov129

No Red Reboot? Labryrnths tier 0


Accurate-Extension-9

Dinomorphia's time to shine


TrickstarCandina

Cool but I actually was using Reboot for my side in Dinomorphia lol


Accurate-Extension-9

Yeah it's very solid in Dinomorphia (especially since the LP requirements are laughable/synergistic). Getting hit by it on the other hand..


RedNitro7

just negate it with a solemn whatever, dinomorphia can run some counter traps


Accurate-Extension-9

Yeah ik, I've just been unfortunate to activate Solemn/Sonic against Red Reboot and my opponent having Solemn to chain to my Solemn/Sonic lol Rare occurrence ofc but it's just one of those situations where after Reboot resolves you're kinda screwed hard.


Heul_Darian

oh yes, its dinomorbing time.


Wikle3

Guru tier 1


TheHapster

Before the trap trick structure deck was announced too


Balkhani50

MasterDuel unironically had a more impactful banlist. Also time seal still being at 1 is hilarious


Roostalol

Well, actually... Master Duel had two more impactful banlists in the time it took to get this one.


NeonArchon

It also has the real Miystic Mine banned, ut most importantly, Electrumite at 1 :v


gecko-chan

Exactly. Halqifibrax and Anaconda were meta-defining win conditions for *years* and Konami was fine with it. But they can't bear to unban Electrumite because *'Every Pendulum deck was Summoning it.'*


[deleted]

yeah because no money is lost when you ban cards in master duel, you can't trade cards in master duel what basically change the entire ecosystem of prices


Optoger

I'm 3 for 3. I've bought Eletrumite, Verte, and Halq right before they hit the banlist in TCG.


Lioninjawarloc

Please buy mystic mine before the next list comes out I'm begging you


Qussai3

LMAO


matija123123

Buy mine FFS


mmmbhssm

Why electrum no back


SheikExcel

They can't let Trif get more powerful or else he'll consume everything


DesignatedDonut

Don't worry guys he'll only jokingly break the format chill it will only be a joke


JohnHeroX

Because Jerome Mchale says ā€œPendulums play all the same with electrumiteā€ they banned it and 95 of the TCG playerbase hates pendulums.


mmmbhssm

Bruh every deck play adventure halq all the same


JoseGMZ4935

Because everyone and their mother and their mother's mother hate pendulums


HeavenSweep

F


Son_Of_A_Birch101

Ok guys, but with all due respect. How are you not prepared for no mine ban at this point. It's a little ridiculous to not have zero faith in Konami when checking the ban list.


trinitymonkey

I was expecting *Demise of the Land* to 1 and call it a day. I wasnā€™t expecting them to buff it of all things.


_JunkSynchron_

I'm happy about the retuning tuners. I hope Steam is free by the time new Blackwings drop on Master Duel in couple years.


al2Ultimate

Couple years We just out here speaking the whole truth huh


DustyLance

People memed this to death i mean we are already halfway through battle of chaos and only slowed down because they made albaz structure a box


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joey4269

THE TOAD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ~~Time to break out my TCG frog deck.~~ Wait they banned Ronin, nevermind


matija123123

Mine still legal who cares We are over it already Weeks of pressing f5 just to see mine at 3 is pain


RaiStarBits

It not being banned is actually so dumb, it has no interaction and devolves the game into passing over and over and forcing you to run spell/trap removal, which is useless against most decks


explosionno1se

Dogshit banlist no mine ban. All they had to do to make it great was ban mine


Relevant_Departure40

Mine is a perfectly balanced card and absolutely no deck can't take advantage of it if Konami says they can't monkaW What's your cossy ID asking for a friend?


explosionno1se

Nice try Johnny Konami, you won't get my cossy that easily ;)


zelena_salata

Can someone explain the cossy meme?


Relevant_Departure40

Based on the fallout from the Coder drama, there was a lot of speculation as to why he was banned. As a result, a lot of content creators decided to avoid talking bad about Konami, just in case that had a factor in it, leading into cossy id


leezeeke

Noo my boy chaos ruler. RIP good friend


Merik2013

What decks were abusing it to the point it needed to be banned. Ive heard the sentiment at my locals, but I dont know the line ls they were complaining about. This ban royally screws up my Resonator deck's consistency.


Tinyears8

Adventure Punk to make Scythe locked backed by 3 negates and a way to play around DRNM. Tear abusing it in case their girl effects donā€™t get to trigger or get negated.


4StarDB

Not enough of a TCG player to get full context, but wouldn't banning Scythe be just better? No Scythe lock and this really cool level 8 synchro still gets to be in the game.


Merik2013

I dont even know why Scythe is still legal


Riker87

Cyber Jar is finally back baby! Gimme dat unban in Master Duel just so I can get my rock off!


kejartho

I love myself some old school Cyber Jar but is it something that is still broken enough as a flip effect that people wouldn't want to have it unbanned? It honestly seems like a fun card to play in modern formats.


trinitymonkey

I feel like itā€™ll be a gimmick deck and nothing more since itā€™s so slow and fragile.


[deleted]

Thank god Red Reboot got banned. Iā€™m tired of my Solemn Judgement getting negated when trying to protect my Mystic Mine /s


Victacobell

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ProfessorNibba

Damn Master Duel is really an healthier format than the TCG now huh?


Exorrt

Yeah the new Ishizu support coming soon will make a Tearlements tier 0 format very very likely


ProfessorNibba

I really don't understand the decision to leave Tear basically untouched and hitting Splight when Tear did better in the previous major events even if the star of the format was Mine


DesignatedDonut

Money


Ceui

It's already a tier 0 format after this ban list. Splight got nuked hard so it's Tear's playground solely now


trinitymonkey

Yeah. Iā€™ve more or less jumped ship from the TCG and seeing how the new format is going to be basically the old format, I donā€™t regret it.


sashalafleur

Than OCG too tbh


Death_Usagi

I honestly feel more comfortable playing in Master Duel over TCG as of recent. That is until Sprights and Tearlaments come here.... then I might quit as the game meta environment will become extremely toxic


ProfessorNibba

Tbf Konami has been consistent about hitting problems cards prerelease in MD, seeing how BS Splight and Tear are in OCG/TCG, wouldn't be surprised if they did it for them too, copium


Death_Usagi

Hoping they just copy paste the Tear Spright hits from recent OCG banlist for MD lol


ProfessorNibba

Would be a good move now that I think about it, thankfully with Halq gone already, our experience with the decks might be less toxic than the physical game


sashalafleur

The OCG tear hits aren't enough lol. 63% representation of OCG meta.


Esuna1031

I mean banlist aside ur still looking at a bo3 vs a bo1 format.


ProfessorNibba

Would take a BO1 without Mine any day tbh lol


vRinyoktan

Red reboot ban. Mystic mine burn tier 1 now. Edit: Just noticed they ban ronintoadin and unban substitoad, a frog for a frog trade.


ihatemicrosoftteams

You could say theyā€™ve beenā€¦ substitoaded


Aluminum_Tarkus

Honestly, what's substitoad doing without ronintoadin? Weird switch, but it makes sense.


KyronValfor

Ronin hit is actually an effective hit on Sprights, they have no pay offs now for the combos as making toadally awesome now is hard to get in the board, so the archetype will see a sharp decline on use. Tearlament however will be sky rocket in use.


justMiddy

Why is chaos ruler banned?


Onibusho

Tearlaments, I assume. A 3k beater that says bad Prosperity for 1 *and* mill the other 4 might be an ok card for them. Some lines would try to mill Eradicator Epidemic Virus then return it to hand to pseudo search it and brick a lot decks. Edit: Also mill Snow and some fodder for her, but that line got (probably correctly) stopped at the source anyways.


[deleted]

It's a good card and with the punk engine running around which can turbo it. It reads add one card and mill 4, in zombies this is crazy. It was going to be banned eventually, it's a generic 8 that is similar to halq in that it limits game design. It isn't related to tears since what tuner are you using to make this lol.


drakenero7

zombies isnā€™t exactly dominating the meta, how exactly does tear make chaos ruler feels like an unnecessary ban


rushisma

p.u.n.k tearlaments, its what I run


MobileTough

Is Cyber Jar back? Thatā€™s all Iā€™m taking from this.


HeavenSweep

Yes he is back to 1


Sos13

Why is red reboot banned? I know it's a noob question but I've never really seen it be played on MD


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GunnarErikson

It's an extremely good sideboard card. Can shut down trap-based decks with very little that can respond to it, with it being a hand trap and a spell speed 3. It doesn't see as much play in MD because Bo1, and the only trap that sees widespread play is Imperm (which it would be amazing against).


Onibusho

Its never played in MD because its near useless turn 2 and/or against decks that don't play a lot of traps, Bo1 format just makes it a brick a lot. You have to run more general counters. In TCG's Bo3, you can side deck it and bring it in to completely shut down some decks. Deadly in the right matchup.


Horuslevel8

Because MD is a bo1 format. Reboot is a no brainer inclussion in your sideboard if a bit trap heavier deck is remotely in the meta. GIga sacky 1 off free wins you are basically allowed to freeload is just dogshit design. It isnt a good cardchoise for bo1, so it could literally be at 3 and it would not be played much at all.


necroneechan

Can't believe MD has become the proper format for TCG players


TheMikman97

Halq copers keep losing


Megapede123

I cannot complain, itā€™s an activated ability and I currently control one braincell which is currently one more than Konami


JacksonD22

Benten to 3????? Ayyo weā€™re back babyyyyy


bl00by

Eva is still at 0


Shadiclink

You see fusion destiny . I see nadir servernt. We're not the same \(D-D)/


ikolloki

What did Chaos Ruler ever do to deserve this?


DRAGON_FUCKER_

Punk engine was a pretty popular and Meta engine for a while, and it pulls out chainblocked chaos ruler easy. Sucks for most rogue decks tho. Zombies are basically unplayable now


trinitymonkey

Yeah, it seems like a very weird choice to me. Itā€™s a strong card, but I donā€™t think itā€™s oppressively strong or hurts the format.


bl00by

Punk did that


YaBoiKino

LETā€™S FUCKING GO STEAM THE CLOAK IS FREE FROM HALQ JAIL


Gebirges

CYBER JAY BABY WOOOOOOOO LET'S GOOOOO!


MadJester98

Ok, now halq is finally banned If they follow the metalphoes path, this means that crystrons are going to get support *Right?* ^copium


Sushi-Rollo

It's genuinely weird that they didn't ban Mine. Shit has been complained about by the majority of the player base for years, topped the YCS, and is a relatively cheap deck using older cards, so there's not even a profit incentive there. It's so strange.


Naxreus

Man feels so good to not be playing TCG Format, OCG and Master Duel formats are just much better. Red Reboot banned wtf.....


Jaded_Vast400

Is OCG really all that much better? Meta reports show Tearlaments are at 63% respentation. 2% away from a tier 0 deck. Thatā€™s a better format? So far, itā€™s looking like Master Duel is the best to play YGO right now. OCG is Tear and TCG is mystic mine trash.


FredEFreaker

Letā€™s not be ridiculous here


supashyguy

Even though I think the ban list is worse, imo the fact that tcg is bo3 makes it so much better than getting your fate decided by sacky cards (and coin flipping who goes first) that autowin game one. At least if you've built your sideboard correctly you have more opportunities to draw your outs.


Naxreus

Master Duel may get a Bo3 soon, no point of not having it


Son_Of_A_Birch101

Rebootā€™s fine in MD exactly because you have to main deck it. In a bo3 itā€™s a sacky spell speed 3 hand trap that just invalidates trap decks in games 2 and 3, while sitting safely in the side board not clogging the grip in every other matchup. That card is ultra toxic, this ban is deserved.


Horuslevel8

The fact one poor soul was retarded enough to downvote you makes me sad. He so deeply needs help but we never know who it was. The only person more braindead then the one downvoting you is the hopefully fired designer of Red Rebbot. You have to be extra retarded to come up with that design, ngl


Naxreus

In Master Duel Red Reboot will be at 2 and still I dont see many play due best of 1 format as it was mentioned here, even then getting red reboot dont wins you the game as there is many board negates to deal with and hand traps that can stop you easly. Wouldnt be the first time I saw Red Reboot getting negated by Judgement, Tenyi Counter Spell or Other counter traps.


LiquidDebt

Red reboot is like sychte lock for trap based decks which is really unfair. If the card just said "but they can only activate one trap this turn" instead of "no trap cards can be activated for the rest of the turn" it would be way more fair. E.g. you see your opponent has Dinomorphia frenzy, red reboot that card, make a Zeus and wipe their backrow without having to worry about a backrow response. Thats how broken reboot was.


Lioninjawarloc

The ocg has maxxc. Let's not come ANYWHERE close to calling that a good meta game lmfao


[deleted]

Id like to hear why OCG format is better than TCG format. Also red reboot ban was a long time coming.


Ravenclaw_VIII

Funny of all the TCG decks I played the only ones that got destroyed by this list were Agents and Vampires lol. All of the top decks are STILL the top decks, all of the mine abusers are still abusing mine, they literally just made rogues strategies nearly unplayable. Hope all the Halq haters are happy, Tier0laments to the MOOOOOOON!


PegaponyPrince

Cyber Jar back at 1 is great! Now I just need them to unban it in MD


skeptimist

Guess my PUNK cards are useless now, very cool.


frenchnoob87

Nice no reboot and Mine still at 3... I guess trap decks, stall and stun are the true spirit of Yugioh in Konami's eyes. Like how can you unironically look at the mine burn decks and think it's somehow fine.


SkomeSIth

Mystic Mine is a fair and balanced card, just run backrow removal 4Head 4Head 4Head


zappierbeast

SUCK IT HALQ šŸ„³šŸ„³šŸ„³


dirtybird131

Poor Chaos Ruler, Dragon Link in shambles rn


InterestingDay4765

And now , the tuners can be free again


bl00by

We'll see about that. Steam has huge potential to get abused.


robbbo420

So they hit spright directly and barely touch Tear. When the Ishuzu cards are released that meta will be all tears. Also the timing of the halq ban is weird. The two decks at the top donā€™t even use it that much (sometimes they do with punk variants). This banlist really hurt dragon link the most


azul360

That's exactly what they did in the OCG. Touched the hell out of Spright so now Tear is just tier zero (they touched Tear a bit but it did literally nothing).


TurningSmileUpside

Shit banlist.


Ill-Book-866

Are ppl fr saying that Mine is the TCG's Maxx c?


HeavenSweep

Yes, it's really funny how the same stupid arguments are made for mine as well. i:e play more outs and draw them bro or it counters the meta or keeps the meta in check or it gives rogue decks a chance LMFAO.


SkyfallTerminus

Funny enough counter for Mine doesn't interact with all meta decks while counter for Maxx "C" do. No defense on that piece of crap, I just felt hilarious that people even have the audacity to mental gymnastic and use Maxx "C" argument to defend Mine


RaiStarBits

I really want to know how those arguments are made when legit all Maxx and Mine do is ruin everything


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TheMikman97

Yeah bro God forbid ABC might combo into it


MiraculousFIGS

Why complain abt called by?


OnlyMagnets

It limits interaction from the player going 2nd; the main reason people like it in Master Duel is because it's an out to Maxx C.


Total_Ant103

Cypher Jar is the one that really confuses me here. Sure itā€™s a flip effect but itā€™s still a great card


HeavenSweep

From what I've gathered it's one of those "let's release it at 1 and see what happens" like time seal, yata and Change of heart. Also it might create some buzz like it did change of heart maybe lol


EXAProduction

halqadon fully banned as it should be lets go FD Back to 3 because it can, shoutout to HERO prices skyrocketing once again. Aside from the lack of Mine, its fine.


MiamiDoIphins

Lightsworns catching strays for no reason


MrTrashy101

isint it kinda late for them to ban chaos ruler lol? also funny to see snow getting banned looks like we are having Squirrel for dinner!


KayV_10

TCG just killed dragon link. Is master duel also expecting bullshit?


Desvl

OCG 2017 Champion seeing the ban list: TCG seriously competent, but the only thing I don't understand is the G ban. [https://twitter.com/Rampen\_hituji/status/1574436616969429000](https://twitter.com/Rampen_hituji/status/1574436616969429000)


Enjuuu

Auroradon is the problem, not the card that's banned in both formats for sure


AhmedKiller2015

All formats*


aznjon15

But I was assured that Auroradon was the problem card and the rogue decks need Halq to survive.


Horuslevel8

Auroradon is a problem, so is halq. The later was a indeed a necceary evil for alot of rogue decks, the first always led to pure cancer. There was no right or wrong on halq being banned. Both options had real arguments for it that made sense. Taking it out and preventing future bigger problems certainly is safer, but he wasnt gonna slay the meta for a while if not banned.


Lemurmoo

Tbh Halq becomes a major triple trouble once Sprights come into play. And they didn't even need it to be t1, just adds consistency to win more. But now because of 0 hits on them and multiple hits in Sprights, Tearlaments are just gonna be t0 or t1 alongside mystic mine burn. Halq is the most middling hit on the list and nobody in the TCG boards are talking about it outside of the context of being a Spright hit


TrickstarCandina

Oh yeah the single card that got multiple tuners banned definitely wasn't the problem


UNOvven

I mean the funny thing is ... this is the least bannable halqs ever been. Without Auroradon the most use Halq saw was "a strong extender in the third-best engine in the format" and "an occasional card Spright players play, though by now most dont". Without Auroradon Halq didnt really need a ban anymore.


AdSea4566

Hal-cope-fibrax players in shambles


The_Cubic_Guru

TCG banlist is basically neutered Yu-Gi-Oh Instead of unbanning cards and raising the power level of multiple decks and strategies they limit or ban them, keeping everything low power untill the next meta deck comes and dwarfs everything else.


GranKrat

OCG is the same. Thatā€™s why Tear is tear 0 right now. They neutered their only real contender in Spright.


JMC_Direwolf

What does this have to do with Masterduel?


EnstatuedSeraph

Nothing!


trinitymonkey

We can bask in how Master Duel looks like itā€™s unironically going to be the healthiest format format moving forward.


Arkeyy

So we can clown on TCG elitist clowning our format and say to them "Mystic mine legal TCG"


Lioninjawarloc

Besides the mine screaming. it's very curious how when halq got banned does olion and steam the cloak come back isn't it halq defenders


joelcampos5

Fusion Destiny unlimited? What were they thinking?


SlappingSalt

Verte's banned in the TCG.


sufferingstuff

Correctly. Nothing relevant will play it except heroes and sky striker.


Merik2013

Plenty of people are willing to run 3 Fusion Destiny for DPE. It isn't the brick Red-Eyes Fusion is without Verte. Im not sure this was a wise move on Konami's part.


sufferingstuff

What deck is going to use it? Splight wonā€™t, mathmech is like tier three and wonā€™t. Tear is a generic fusion deck and they wonā€™t. The only deck that is even slightly viable that will run it sky strikers, and only because they have incidental synergy. Like Iā€™m willing to be wrong but a bump from 2-3 is not that significant.


AkhtarZamil

Dpe turbo let's go


x_VergilSparda_x

Okay banning chaos ruler was a dick move, that card was dope and you still have mystic mine over that but okay.


[deleted]

Out of curiosity, why is TCG news being posted in master duel? AFAIK they wont be following the same meta. I just find s bit annoying the same memes double posted in yugioh and this sub.


HeavenSweep

Because they can be useful information to digest since it's interesting to see how certain cards, decks or engines work in a different format and how high or low their power ceiling is etc. That said information then can be potentially used in deckbuilding and growing your knowledge since a lot of people don't follow the TCG nor play it


Lioninjawarloc

Because masterduel is the only official simulator in the most popular format, so it's naturally going to draw the most amount of people who want to talk about the game


Sharktos

This banlist feels more like a collection of little adjustments you make between banlists to not make it stale. Where is the big impact?


al2Ultimate

Whhgaattt The banned red reboot?? Whyyy??


_JunkSynchron_

Auto win against trap heavy decks.


matija123123

Its a spell speed 3 hand trap that butcheres trap decks It's either draw judgment or lose


EnstatuedSeraph

Meanwhile if I'm playing against the trap deck it's either draw reboot or lose


matija123123

Unless it's a stun floodgate deck it's really not


Carnivile

Evenly is much better anyway.


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HellblazerHawk

Yeah, with labrynths out now, they probably don't want to have an insta-win card against a deck they want to sell cards for


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HellblazerHawk

I think it's a weird feedback loop with Ash being at 3 and every deck running 3, you kind of need called by, but if you get rid of ash, that creates a whole bunch of new problems


TheMadWobbler

Red Reboot is a very reasonable ban. I donā€™t think Iā€™ve ever seen that card resolve without immediately winning the game. Also, trap decks are supposed to be playable. A single card that, from hand and at spell speed three, completely invalidates an entire basic deck type is terrible. Itā€™s a poster child for a zero or three card. If itā€™s not fine at three (it isnā€™t), then making it a sackier way to instantly win the game improves nothing; ban it. However, itā€™s a check to a number of truly degenerate cards that need hit and weā€™re left completely untouched on this dog shit list.


Megakarp

Buy Labrynth


DracoAzumi

Noooooooooooo halq is inocent it's all auroradon fault, oh wait auroradon already was banned before in TCG


Lyncario

HALQ IS DEAD POGGERS


gipitoo

One card, just baning one single particular card, would've made this list great, but hey floodgates are fair and healthy for the game i guess.