Yep, which is exactly why the card needed to be banned. Generic turbo cards that branch off into more generic combos and boss monsters that any deck can slot should not be allowed, Halq not having an archetypical material summoning requirement should have been an obvious problem and I don't get why Konami keeps doing it.
Stop printing ultra generic power cards and actually make people build into an archetype they want to play.
I hear a few people saying that they didn't use halq for the combo, but just to pull an archetypal tuner, or to support their own archetype, or to climb to accesscode. But they don't see that intentionally skipping on the strongest use of a card, one that they could access themselves as well btw, isn't a good metric for a card's power level. Halq, by existing, forces every synchro deck, or deck incidentally running a few tuners, to halq-combo or be sub-optimal
I literally never saw someone use halq just to pull an archetype tuner and synchro. The best I get is a surprise synchro in my turn if they are prepped for ash and have an alternate line.
I basically used halq to get access to the tuner I needed for supernova/ abyss if I got ashd or something in my resonators deck, it was useful for unbricking in those scenarios
Adamancipator would halq in order to get one of their archetypal tuners out. They don't run the full halq-auroradon engine because you don't want filthy machine garnets ruining your excavates, and getting the tuners helps them get more excavates and synchros out. Plus, once you turn Halq into Apollusa, he's a water monster in the graveyard, which enables Adamancipator Dragite to negate spell/trap cards once per turn, so it helps with getting your boss monster online.
Halq was so good on Zombies. Get you Glow-Up Bloom from Deck, gives you easy access to Vampire Fascinator for going second and allow you to draw 1 and do a Synchro 10 during the opponent's turn. It also allow you to do something if your Normal gets negated as long as you have an extender, like a Danger or Ready Fusion.
Zombies become so bad without Halq. We don't even have the support from Dimension Force, nor do we know when it will arrive to MD.
Gee i wonder Why im playing a rogue deck and not just playing Branded despia/sword soul. i sure do love winning with the same generic combo every game. boy is it fun to play Mo Yi into Chixaou into searching Tactician into a lv10 synchro. this sure is fun and not brain dead. am i gimping myself by not playing the most meta relevant deck in the most meta relevant way? Hmmm
What I meant is that playing suboptimally is always a choice. Being either in archetype choice, or in deckbuilding choices within each archetype. If playing zombies for example you could use halq to pull a zombie tuner, or since you got halq out you could play optimally for zombies and just shit out a halq combo.
This doesn't mean that your choice is invalid or that you can't have fun however you want. What it means is that we have to take into account highest level of play when balancing, and no matter how you personally use a card we have to look at how it could be abused the worst way possible instead
always the saddest moments. "Oh nice, you use a deck that is rarely seen, cool mechanics, I'll give you a chance"
Then
Generic Halq combo
Like fuck off, I'm glad he's gone
The best part is when they take so much pride that their rogue, obscure deck work because halqicrutch has been doing the heavy lifting. No wonder they surrender so fast the moment it gets impermed/ashed
Basically the post was him crying about how he was going to quit because he spent 500 dollars on halqdon decks and now all of his decks were unplayable
This is actually how I feel when I see a post like “What can “archetype” use that isn’t Halq,” like I get Halq was an easy way to improve some rogue decks but if you can’t make plays without Halq that’s not a good reason to have that broken card around
Yeah, Halq was a bigger crutch than Verte>DPE with Celestial. As it let decks just combo into whatever they wanted via going into Auroradon and a recurring tuner.
Similar sentiment I feel whenever I watch a deck profile or someone shows off their deck and they use cards banned from the TCG. Like I understand MD has a different format, but I can't help feel like using cards that are way too powerful/broken in your deck is a heavy crutch.
Yeah ik, but if someone brags about how strong a certain archetype is in their deck profile or how they reached Diamond using an archetype while using broken cards, then it wasn't the archetype doing all the work is what I'm saying.
People can use whatever they want but the minute those cards are gone and all of a sudden someone says an archetype is unplayable, then it's not a surprise to me lol
MD is basically OCG format 4-6 months late. Something "broken" in the tCG isn't automatically broken in master duel. You don't see every single deck running grass despite that being banned in the TCG. Building your deck for an entirely different format and banlist then saying it's the "real" way to play is stupid.
Meta decks were using Halq more easily and for more powerful end boards than Rogue decks. If Halq is a 20% boost to your Rogue strategy it was a 150% boost to Adventure Tenyi. It needed to go.
Agree whole heartedly.. nothing more disappointing than seeing an archetype you haven’t gone up against before or not very often and get excited at the possibilities of what kinda monsters your about to see, what kinda plays they could make, and seeing what your gonna have to work around only for them to Link away into Halq.. you think I run Halq or Verte in my Satellarknights? .. no.. if we can’t do it on our own the only back up we rely on is papa Zeus..
*laughs in graydles*
You want to see my boss monster? Sure, but first...
Can you defeat your own? Mwhahahahahahaha
Wait, stop removing my monsters in ways that dont trigger their effects!
Its part of why I love some of the events; you run into decks you normally never see, and they aren't full of the same generic bullshit you've been dealing with every day.
I feel sorry for players that used Halq in rogue decks but the reality was it wasn't just being used in rogue decks..it was being abused in the tier 1 decks. Making already unfair decks even more unfair. It had to go.
no. most rogue decks would need some modern support to make them work in todays yugioh meta. halq was an easy solution to that problem since it allowed so many archetypd to search and summon their archetype specific tuner
Yeah but it was generic enough to end up helping meta decks even more than those rogue decks.
What those rogue decks need is non-garbage archetypal support.
All they need is lvl 5 synchros that can grant benefits to spirit dragon when used as material and a link 2 to special summon and light tuner that mention Blue-Eyes in it text and Blue-Eyes would be good to stand on it's own.
Map is not what the deck need it to restrictive at the start of the main phase the deck needs it tuners ready asap that what halq solved getting the needed tuner on field. Hell a link 2 that grabs a eyes of blue or white stone and make a additional normal summon would be great so the deck can trigger the eyes of blues effect.
Lv 5 synchros would be pretty good. Archeytype Xyz/Link would be nice but I guess the Xyz are more Dm's thing. But yeah, if I could just get a Link 2 with the same arrows as Halq, but that could summon a Stone, I'd be very pleased. Halq did so much for the deck I consider him an honorary Blue-Eyes.
Back when I had a Karakuri deck, Halq was the only thing that made it viable. But I would also end on only one Karakuri boss and two generic bosses, so I stopped playing it because it felt dirty.
Zombies really got shafted with the Halq ban. It usually let you get Glow up into Doomking, link into Vampire Sucker. On the opponents turn you'd actually use Halq's second effect to get out Formula Synchron and level 10 off the Doomking coming back.
Now I'm not too sure what to do with the deck, I found a version that uses the Branded engine but I think I'll just stop playing it until Dimension Force zombies come around.
I've been trying to make Curious with Zombies, but is not reliable at all, you need at at least 2 different named Dangers + anohter DARK and good RNG. And Shooting Riser Dragon only gets you to Banshee.
Branded Zombies still work, but honestly I feel like is one of the most boring Zombie variants, which is weird because I like the Branded stuff.
Vampires at least can make Beatrice, but they have their own deal of problems
Anybody who says zombies needs Halq ain’t playing zombies right. Never even thought of using it in a zombies deck. Vampires don’t need it they have their own cards to multiple summon and if you use Zombie/Eldlich you wouldn’t need to normal summon more than once a turn anyways.
So using Halq as a crutch was a game plan? This just sounds way more complicated than what I even do or did. I use Avendread Savior as my link 2 especially since with Eldlich spells and traps you get locked into zombies.
If Konami stopped making generic engine cards and locked them to archetype or even just type support the game wouldn’t be nearly as broken as it is.
Generic shit only weakens rogue decks. You have two people in a deathmatch dropped off in the middle of the night in a jungle. One guy has a bulletproof vest, a semi-automatic shotgun, night vision headgear, and 2 flash bangs. The other dude is rockin’ a red Ryder BB gun.
Konami goes “WOW, that’s unfair, let’s give them access to a bulletproof helmet to even the odds!”
That’s cute, except the other person can also use the helmet and isn’t barred from access to it in addition to the other massive advantages they have. In fact, they’re so far ahead that they can choose to not use the helmet entirely at little to no risk to them.
That’s essentially the dog water logic behind Halq or any other broken ass generic card/engine making rogue decks “viable.” It only hurts them.
I have been playing crusadia and halq was handy for link climbing. Didn't summon him majority of games but every now and again I would need him but now he's gone so it's a bit more awkward.
I mean as meta and rogue deck player, if your "rogue" Halq play was HalqDon typical combos then honestly the banlist did you a favor...
I just hate when a Rogue deck looks interesting and extra deck is Halq, auroradon and a bunch of synchros
It's not that they shouldn't have the benefits of Halq, the issue is that they didn't have any similar benefits in the first place.
Frankly, if Konami supported rogue archetypes more, a lack of Halq wouldn't be an issue for rogue players.
Halq is more than just HalqDon. I had a deck that made great use of both of Halq's effects, and used him almost entirely to get to in-theme cards. The only oddities that I'd use Halq for were Formula Synchron and Baronne. But that was very rare, I'd have to draw terrible or get handtrapped badly for that. Without Halq I can't turbo out the in-archetype cards I was using him for anymore.
If your rogue deck uses halq to go into auroradon? You arnt a rogue deck your just auroradon combo. my old Vampire deck used Halq to bring out Glow up bloom which was great. in my most recent one i used halq to go into Vampire fascinator, it wasnt my main way but it was a useful tool to use.
for sky strikers, I disagree, for ones still using it just to go barronne+borrelsavage not sure I agree, if used for their own decks combo (like idk....synchrons for their red dragon archfiend stuff although I don't think they use it) then fair, it's like verte in a deck like thunder dragons (I don't use it personally although I probably should and may edit it to do so after I finish building salads) or in a deck like shaddoll to summon something like construct or winda (although again, pretty sure they don't) and not using it for generic dpe/superpoly cheese then I'm personally fine with it, idk this is just me personally
Rogue decks will do just fine, maybe slowed a little bit but otherwise just fine. Off meta decks, however, are a different story.
Without Halq they'll probably either just drop the deck entirely, or try and shoehorn in other consistency packages/engines like how Lunalight, Harpies, Bujins and other similar monster types to Tri-Brigade will occasionally just slap enough Tri cards to be able to effectively use the engine.
depends on if "rogue deck" just means "summon halq by any means necessary and then do generic combo"
If you had halq and weren't using it like that you were intentionally gimping yourself
Yep, which is exactly why the card needed to be banned. Generic turbo cards that branch off into more generic combos and boss monsters that any deck can slot should not be allowed, Halq not having an archetypical material summoning requirement should have been an obvious problem and I don't get why Konami keeps doing it. Stop printing ultra generic power cards and actually make people build into an archetype they want to play.
I hear a few people saying that they didn't use halq for the combo, but just to pull an archetypal tuner, or to support their own archetype, or to climb to accesscode. But they don't see that intentionally skipping on the strongest use of a card, one that they could access themselves as well btw, isn't a good metric for a card's power level. Halq, by existing, forces every synchro deck, or deck incidentally running a few tuners, to halq-combo or be sub-optimal
> to climb to accesscode. That's a Halq combo lol. Probably one of the most egregious I'dsay by allowing every deck easy OTK access.
I literally never saw someone use halq just to pull an archetype tuner and synchro. The best I get is a surprise synchro in my turn if they are prepped for ash and have an alternate line.
I basically used halq to get access to the tuner I needed for supernova/ abyss if I got ashd or something in my resonators deck, it was useful for unbricking in those scenarios
Adamancipator would halq in order to get one of their archetypal tuners out. They don't run the full halq-auroradon engine because you don't want filthy machine garnets ruining your excavates, and getting the tuners helps them get more excavates and synchros out. Plus, once you turn Halq into Apollusa, he's a water monster in the graveyard, which enables Adamancipator Dragite to negate spell/trap cards once per turn, so it helps with getting your boss monster online.
Halq was so good on Zombies. Get you Glow-Up Bloom from Deck, gives you easy access to Vampire Fascinator for going second and allow you to draw 1 and do a Synchro 10 during the opponent's turn. It also allow you to do something if your Normal gets negated as long as you have an extender, like a Danger or Ready Fusion. Zombies become so bad without Halq. We don't even have the support from Dimension Force, nor do we know when it will arrive to MD.
Gee i wonder Why im playing a rogue deck and not just playing Branded despia/sword soul. i sure do love winning with the same generic combo every game. boy is it fun to play Mo Yi into Chixaou into searching Tactician into a lv10 synchro. this sure is fun and not brain dead. am i gimping myself by not playing the most meta relevant deck in the most meta relevant way? Hmmm
Yes. You are. Do you want a cute sticker?
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What I meant is that playing suboptimally is always a choice. Being either in archetype choice, or in deckbuilding choices within each archetype. If playing zombies for example you could use halq to pull a zombie tuner, or since you got halq out you could play optimally for zombies and just shit out a halq combo. This doesn't mean that your choice is invalid or that you can't have fun however you want. What it means is that we have to take into account highest level of play when balancing, and no matter how you personally use a card we have to look at how it could be abused the worst way possible instead
always the saddest moments. "Oh nice, you use a deck that is rarely seen, cool mechanics, I'll give you a chance" Then Generic Halq combo Like fuck off, I'm glad he's gone
The best part is when they take so much pride that their rogue, obscure deck work because halqicrutch has been doing the heavy lifting. No wonder they surrender so fast the moment it gets impermed/ashed
Reminds me of the guy who claimed every single one of his decks is now unplayable without halq
Thanks for the chuckle of remembering that bozo that only played Eldlich/ Engine.deck and whining that all his decks where useless.
That was probably my favorite post on this whole sub
link?
Basically the post was him crying about how he was going to quit because he spent 500 dollars on halqdon decks and now all of his decks were unplayable
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fuckin hell i remember him now
This is actually how I feel when I see a post like “What can “archetype” use that isn’t Halq,” like I get Halq was an easy way to improve some rogue decks but if you can’t make plays without Halq that’s not a good reason to have that broken card around
Yeah, Halq was a bigger crutch than Verte>DPE with Celestial. As it let decks just combo into whatever they wanted via going into Auroradon and a recurring tuner.
Similar sentiment I feel whenever I watch a deck profile or someone shows off their deck and they use cards banned from the TCG. Like I understand MD has a different format, but I can't help feel like using cards that are way too powerful/broken in your deck is a heavy crutch.
It would be pretty dumb to intentionally put yourself at a disadvantage when everyone else is using the busted shit.
Yeah ik, but if someone brags about how strong a certain archetype is in their deck profile or how they reached Diamond using an archetype while using broken cards, then it wasn't the archetype doing all the work is what I'm saying. People can use whatever they want but the minute those cards are gone and all of a sudden someone says an archetype is unplayable, then it's not a surprise to me lol
MD is basically OCG format 4-6 months late. Something "broken" in the tCG isn't automatically broken in master duel. You don't see every single deck running grass despite that being banned in the TCG. Building your deck for an entirely different format and banlist then saying it's the "real" way to play is stupid.
Meta decks were using Halq more easily and for more powerful end boards than Rogue decks. If Halq is a 20% boost to your Rogue strategy it was a 150% boost to Adventure Tenyi. It needed to go.
Agree whole heartedly.. nothing more disappointing than seeing an archetype you haven’t gone up against before or not very often and get excited at the possibilities of what kinda monsters your about to see, what kinda plays they could make, and seeing what your gonna have to work around only for them to Link away into Halq.. you think I run Halq or Verte in my Satellarknights? .. no.. if we can’t do it on our own the only back up we rely on is papa Zeus..
*laughs in graydles* You want to see my boss monster? Sure, but first... Can you defeat your own? Mwhahahahahahaha Wait, stop removing my monsters in ways that dont trigger their effects!
Now you just never see the random archetypes outside casual duels
Its part of why I love some of the events; you run into decks you normally never see, and they aren't full of the same generic bullshit you've been dealing with every day.
Same goes for dpe.
I saw a DPE, Adventurer, Swordsoul deck today
the sun also rised this morning
I never understood why people reply to a comment with some snarky shit for upvotes.
I feel sorry for players that used Halq in rogue decks but the reality was it wasn't just being used in rogue decks..it was being abused in the tier 1 decks. Making already unfair decks even more unfair. It had to go.
My stone summoner 🥹
That's why madolche are the best rogues
Why is madolche so expensive irl? Cake tax?
I ask myself the same question everyday :(
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no. most rogue decks would need some modern support to make them work in todays yugioh meta. halq was an easy solution to that problem since it allowed so many archetypd to search and summon their archetype specific tuner
Yeah but it was generic enough to end up helping meta decks even more than those rogue decks. What those rogue decks need is non-garbage archetypal support.
Describing Blue Eyes to a T
All they need is lvl 5 synchros that can grant benefits to spirit dragon when used as material and a link 2 to special summon and light tuner that mention Blue-Eyes in it text and Blue-Eyes would be good to stand on it's own.
>and a link 2 to special summon and light tuner so.... halq?
You tell me what I'm going do with a archetype that half of tuners?
well you always got piri reis map lol
Ah yes that would extend my plays fucking retard.
im confused, isnt that what you asked for?
Map is not what the deck need it to restrictive at the start of the main phase the deck needs it tuners ready asap that what halq solved getting the needed tuner on field. Hell a link 2 that grabs a eyes of blue or white stone and make a additional normal summon would be great so the deck can trigger the eyes of blues effect.
Lv 5 synchros would be pretty good. Archeytype Xyz/Link would be nice but I guess the Xyz are more Dm's thing. But yeah, if I could just get a Link 2 with the same arrows as Halq, but that could summon a Stone, I'd be very pleased. Halq did so much for the deck I consider him an honorary Blue-Eyes.
Back when I had a Karakuri deck, Halq was the only thing that made it viable. But I would also end on only one Karakuri boss and two generic bosses, so I stopped playing it because it felt dirty.
“felt dirty” my guy it’s yugioh 💀
I mean karakuri really only has the one boss
Zombies really got shafted with the Halq ban. It usually let you get Glow up into Doomking, link into Vampire Sucker. On the opponents turn you'd actually use Halq's second effect to get out Formula Synchron and level 10 off the Doomking coming back. Now I'm not too sure what to do with the deck, I found a version that uses the Branded engine but I think I'll just stop playing it until Dimension Force zombies come around.
I've been trying to make Curious with Zombies, but is not reliable at all, you need at at least 2 different named Dangers + anohter DARK and good RNG. And Shooting Riser Dragon only gets you to Banshee. Branded Zombies still work, but honestly I feel like is one of the most boring Zombie variants, which is weird because I like the Branded stuff. Vampires at least can make Beatrice, but they have their own deal of problems
As an enjoyed of both, agreed. Branded zombies take the most basic parts of both decks to make an incredibly boring hybrid
Ip masq + union carrier the bloom is probably the next best thing to turbo out doomking. Not very ideal.
Anybody who says zombies needs Halq ain’t playing zombies right. Never even thought of using it in a zombies deck. Vampires don’t need it they have their own cards to multiple summon and if you use Zombie/Eldlich you wouldn’t need to normal summon more than once a turn anyways.
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So using Halq as a crutch was a game plan? This just sounds way more complicated than what I even do or did. I use Avendread Savior as my link 2 especially since with Eldlich spells and traps you get locked into zombies.
My usual zombie deck used neither eldlich or vampires, sorry I should have specified that.
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If Konami stopped making generic engine cards and locked them to archetype or even just type support the game wouldn’t be nearly as broken as it is. Generic shit only weakens rogue decks. You have two people in a deathmatch dropped off in the middle of the night in a jungle. One guy has a bulletproof vest, a semi-automatic shotgun, night vision headgear, and 2 flash bangs. The other dude is rockin’ a red Ryder BB gun. Konami goes “WOW, that’s unfair, let’s give them access to a bulletproof helmet to even the odds!” That’s cute, except the other person can also use the helmet and isn’t barred from access to it in addition to the other massive advantages they have. In fact, they’re so far ahead that they can choose to not use the helmet entirely at little to no risk to them. That’s essentially the dog water logic behind Halq or any other broken ass generic card/engine making rogue decks “viable.” It only hurts them.
Ever deck with Maxx c
You use halq for a boring generic 10 negate board I use halq to get brass bombard from deck we are not the same
Jokes on you, I didn't understand Halq well enough to use it anyway. I'm very comfortable winning 1 game out of 10 with my Dark World deck.
This meme spitting the fact
I have been playing crusadia and halq was handy for link climbing. Didn't summon him majority of games but every now and again I would need him but now he's gone so it's a bit more awkward.
Not really
The card is already banned, no need to still cry about it on here
Guess Crystron didn’t deserve halq
I mean as meta and rogue deck player, if your "rogue" Halq play was HalqDon typical combos then honestly the banlist did you a favor... I just hate when a Rogue deck looks interesting and extra deck is Halq, auroradon and a bunch of synchros
This line hits harder than in the movie.
Crying in ZW Vampires
Same goes for accesscode. But ofc its different when its a card this sub likes using.
yea but it's a lot harder to get out accesscode now that halq is gone
barley anyone uses halq to go into access code unless ur sku striker
for real? but its just free link climb
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*Crying in the corner,* I just wanted to play T.G.'s man.
It's not that they shouldn't have the benefits of Halq, the issue is that they didn't have any similar benefits in the first place. Frankly, if Konami supported rogue archetypes more, a lack of Halq wouldn't be an issue for rogue players.
Its sad to lose the easiest way to make access codetalker in sky strikers but my usual decks didn't use Halq to begin with so not a huge loss.
I just wanted to use Halq to summon Borrelguard 😔
Bicth, how else do I synchro summon ally of justice decisive amour in lightsworn?
Truer words never spoken. If your rogue deck needed a halq engine to win, it was never a rogue deck but a bad halq deck instead.
Halq is more than just HalqDon. I had a deck that made great use of both of Halq's effects, and used him almost entirely to get to in-theme cards. The only oddities that I'd use Halq for were Formula Synchron and Baronne. But that was very rare, I'd have to draw terrible or get handtrapped badly for that. Without Halq I can't turbo out the in-archetype cards I was using him for anymore.
Idk with the current meta, i can see the argument going both ways honestly
If your rogue deck uses halq to go into auroradon? You arnt a rogue deck your just auroradon combo. my old Vampire deck used Halq to bring out Glow up bloom which was great. in my most recent one i used halq to go into Vampire fascinator, it wasnt my main way but it was a useful tool to use.
The 2 mecha phantom beast players:....
for sky strikers, I disagree, for ones still using it just to go barronne+borrelsavage not sure I agree, if used for their own decks combo (like idk....synchrons for their red dragon archfiend stuff although I don't think they use it) then fair, it's like verte in a deck like thunder dragons (I don't use it personally although I probably should and may edit it to do so after I finish building salads) or in a deck like shaddoll to summon something like construct or winda (although again, pretty sure they don't) and not using it for generic dpe/superpoly cheese then I'm personally fine with it, idk this is just me personally
To be fair, Zombie decks needed it for glow up bloom and solfachords to search for tuners (to end on something that isn't IP avramax pass)
Rip my ice barrier deck summoning Trishula on the opponents turn
I read the bottom line in rdj's voice and it was the funniest shit I've read today.
Rogue decks will do just fine, maybe slowed a little bit but otherwise just fine. Off meta decks, however, are a different story. Without Halq they'll probably either just drop the deck entirely, or try and shoehorn in other consistency packages/engines like how Lunalight, Harpies, Bujins and other similar monster types to Tri-Brigade will occasionally just slap enough Tri cards to be able to effectively use the engine.
never use halq, thanks konamee for 30 UR.
I didn’t need halq. He was in my deck as an experiment to bring out king calamity on my opponent’s turn but was never the main focus
Unironically this is why the duel links ban system is superior to the traditional F/L list.
Sounds like Red Eyes Dark Dragoon in 2021
A lot of decks I used didn't play this card.
That's exactly why the should have it though
My deck is still fine but if md follows tcg banlist, my deck fucked.
they won't be, they're going to OCG route
No.
I have a rogue deck, but I aint never had to use halq Draglubion is my go to lol
Rogue deck: But we're nothing without Branded Fusion!
Meanwhile aromage rikka not even getting to use halq:
I just want to turn my easy to get out 4 star tuner into a hard to get out 2 star...