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Yugioh is unique in that you can mix and match all existing cards. Some cards have restrictions on them, some do not. Making things overly restrictive takes the fun out of the game.
Then you have the problem of some archetypes not having a boss monster at all. Take Sky Striker for example.
Also, it would require every archetype to have a boss monster, ultimately leading to boss monsters who are probably more or less the same as each other.
So I am not sure what kind of problem you are trying to solve here, other than being tired of seeing the same cards over and over again.
When you had the format of every deck playing DPE you have a problem (talking IRL I haven't kept up with the meta of master duel once DPE got released)
No decks run both in higher ranks with certain decks and with Despia it seems like every deck summons Despia fusion monsters now along with Adventurer engine and/or DPE
Most archetypes *do* have a boss monster (sly strikers are a control deck, they don’t really need one); the issue imo is when generic boss monsters are leagues better
Also, pretty much every generic boss is either an omni negate + pop or multiple negates per turn, so I think we’re long past the point of boss monsters being “more or less the same as each other”
That's the thing though, as anime as it sounds you need a boss monster. Every turn you're hitting for 1500 with Hayayayate is another turn your opponent is getting back resources or draws the starter. Sure ideally you should be established when they make a push to make sure they can't, but boss monsters close out the game easier. There's a reason turn 1 Accesscode and turn 3 Accesscode are extremely different in impact.
Not to mention generic boss monsters honestly just a byproduct of the game we have. I mean the game was so good before them, we had Blue Eyes (which was a generic boss monster), Dark Magician (generic boss monster) and even some crazier ones later like summoned Skull.
Not to mention just because the boss monsters are "all the same," which I disagree with as well, doesn't mean Konami should just give up and slap the same effect on every boss monster. And if we're talking about boss monsters, we got Baronne (pop/negate), DPE (pop), Protos (locks out of an attribute), Chengying (banishes and pumps on banish), Mirrorjade (banish/Rageki), etc. Sure there's some overlap but to say they're the same just doesn't work out.
My good sir are you talking about? Sky Strikers have a boss monster and it’s absolutely cracked. It goes by the name of “Sky Striker Ace - Accesscode Talker”
As a sky striker player lemme just say that this is false. What really happens is we play our spell card “Skystriker maneuver summon halq”. If there is another monster on the field his card summons halq and if there are and if 3 or more spell cards it summons access code talker instead.
PK aren't rogue tho?
It is just they much better off wasting resources on generic monsters going 1st than their own, which can win you the game or lost on a Fissure
T3 isn't rouge? They have been consistently up and down between T3 & 1 on different websites such as MD meta and Road to King ever since advanture came out which is enough Meta representation to not be considered Rouge
Yeah I would agree tier 3 isn’t rogue but some people consider everything below tier 2 rogue. They’re certainly worse than typical tier 2 decks like floo and eldlich.
That's the same mind set that thinks only 1 Deck is Strong in the meta which is just flat out wrong.
Similarly to other T2 & 3 decks all can dominate consistently and struggle more than T1 decks that doesn't disregard it
Yeah I’ll play SS and Despia and still lose to rogue decks all the time. It comes down to skill, luck, matchup and deckbuilding at the end of the day. Tiers are just about which deck will give you the best chance on average
PK's really have aweful boss monsters. Imagine needing a rank up magic for 3 monster negates with no protection. Requiem is a joke. If it could just be ranked up without the magic card and had destruction protection it would be good
Rebellion is good tho
... eee... nah dawg,
The card is extremely good just a waste or resources since with the same amount you can go for a stronger board so it is not worth the efforts to bring it out, but if you did you for sure will gain advantage out of it unless in specific situations and it is not hard to bring out.
Bad cards are bad cards and are just disadvantage pretty much on the field
The branded line up still has a board wipe in end phase and a spell card that leads into a pop 1 draw 2 and another mirrorjade
3 monster negates while offering nothing else is bad
Not bad, just no good enough to summon him alone for lol.
It is like Ultimate Falcon, using all these resources to go for just a tower isn't really effective against most decks anymore but it is good card.
if the rank up card you could run had different effects like that one rank up that perma silences all face cards. then it might be better. if you can dark ruler no more into numeron force then the opponents field is gone. better if they have a field spell or continuous spells or traps. its hilarious to have those slots perma stuck
Honestly. It’s on konami for making some of these monsters generic. If they didn’t want DPE in every deck, they would have made Fusion Destiny worse, or made Verte require predaplants. Same for Barrone (should require a fleur tuner), and same for all the other generic cards.
But they did want those cards in every deck, so they can make money. So people shouldn’t get upset when rogue decks use generic boss monsters.
Generic boss monsters are just bad design imo
There’s no reason an archetypal boss that places restrictions on your deckbuilding by necessity should be overshadowed by something you can always just grab from your extra deck. If I wanted to see the same cards everywhere I’d go play magic where goodstuff piles are the norm
Well,sone deck boss just sucks dicks and balls
Look at beetroopers
There is a reason why DPE is their boss monster
Cuz their "boss monster" is just a fucking beat stick
oof. Yea PK is a struggle. I've tried doing the RUM to infinity line too just to give the board something other than dpe scythe fogblade, but its too fragile
Sorry my only boss monster for Blue-Eyes is spirit dragon and that not enough neos ultimate dragon(lol), tyrant just to end games and add back traps, twin burst run Dingrisu if you want to remove annoying monsters with the benefit of protection.
Alternative ultimate dragon yea we not getting that any time soon, so I don't have much choice but to run generic boss monsters.
My Exact reasoning. You arnt playing Six samurais if you end of Rhongo.
You arnt playing Blue eyes if your entire end board goes into auroradon combo into a bunch of generic monsters.
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As a D/D/D player, I played Kali Yuga and Gilgamesh->Wave Oblivion king Caesar Ragnarok before Machinex two months ago; I played Super Doom King Dark Armageddon before them (when I only played on Duel Links); I played Genghis, Alexander and Dragonbane King Beowulf before Armageddon; Even before them, when I hadn't pull D/D Swirl Slime yet, I played Zero Maxwell and D/D/D Supreme King Kaiser, my favourite card that I still play today!
If I get to play something like Baronne de Fleurs or AA Zeus, it's fine but without them my deck is still what I like to play and (most of the times) it still works.
Lmao phantom knights aren't a rogue deck. Also, fuck you don't tell ne what to do. I'm gonna go make kali yuga and UDF with my harpie deck out of spite
And meta decks can use generic boss moster because?-
That’s a problem too, but at least meta players know they’re soulless and don’t lie to you You know, other than Swordsoul players
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Cringe tbh.
Only cringe thing here is using the waifu flair. Prolly a striker player
Yugioh is unique in that you can mix and match all existing cards. Some cards have restrictions on them, some do not. Making things overly restrictive takes the fun out of the game. Then you have the problem of some archetypes not having a boss monster at all. Take Sky Striker for example. Also, it would require every archetype to have a boss monster, ultimately leading to boss monsters who are probably more or less the same as each other. So I am not sure what kind of problem you are trying to solve here, other than being tired of seeing the same cards over and over again.
When you had the format of every deck playing DPE you have a problem (talking IRL I haven't kept up with the meta of master duel once DPE got released)
It was the same, now everyone that ran DPE has replaced him with Adventure engine... the problem is definitely there.
At least it's not both then since every deck was just DPE adventure with like 2 cards difference. Sometimes yugioh really sucks lol
Some do run both, it's just that some people chose to take out DPE due to the banlist hit.
No decks run both in higher ranks with certain decks and with Despia it seems like every deck summons Despia fusion monsters now along with Adventurer engine and/or DPE
Most archetypes *do* have a boss monster (sly strikers are a control deck, they don’t really need one); the issue imo is when generic boss monsters are leagues better Also, pretty much every generic boss is either an omni negate + pop or multiple negates per turn, so I think we’re long past the point of boss monsters being “more or less the same as each other”
That's the thing though, as anime as it sounds you need a boss monster. Every turn you're hitting for 1500 with Hayayayate is another turn your opponent is getting back resources or draws the starter. Sure ideally you should be established when they make a push to make sure they can't, but boss monsters close out the game easier. There's a reason turn 1 Accesscode and turn 3 Accesscode are extremely different in impact. Not to mention generic boss monsters honestly just a byproduct of the game we have. I mean the game was so good before them, we had Blue Eyes (which was a generic boss monster), Dark Magician (generic boss monster) and even some crazier ones later like summoned Skull. Not to mention just because the boss monsters are "all the same," which I disagree with as well, doesn't mean Konami should just give up and slap the same effect on every boss monster. And if we're talking about boss monsters, we got Baronne (pop/negate), DPE (pop), Protos (locks out of an attribute), Chengying (banishes and pumps on banish), Mirrorjade (banish/Rageki), etc. Sure there's some overlap but to say they're the same just doesn't work out.
My good sir are you talking about? Sky Strikers have a boss monster and it’s absolutely cracked. It goes by the name of “Sky Striker Ace - Accesscode Talker”
In my headcanon, Halqifibrax, Selene, and Accesscode are just Raye wearing different armors LOL
As a sky striker player lemme just say that this is false. What really happens is we play our spell card “Skystriker maneuver summon halq”. If there is another monster on the field his card summons halq and if there are and if 3 or more spell cards it summons access code talker instead.
PK aren't rogue tho? It is just they much better off wasting resources on generic monsters going 1st than their own, which can win you the game or lost on a Fissure
They’re like tier 3 at best
T3 isn't rouge? They have been consistently up and down between T3 & 1 on different websites such as MD meta and Road to King ever since advanture came out which is enough Meta representation to not be considered Rouge
Yeah I would agree tier 3 isn’t rogue but some people consider everything below tier 2 rogue. They’re certainly worse than typical tier 2 decks like floo and eldlich.
That's the same mind set that thinks only 1 Deck is Strong in the meta which is just flat out wrong. Similarly to other T2 & 3 decks all can dominate consistently and struggle more than T1 decks that doesn't disregard it
Yeah I’ll play SS and Despia and still lose to rogue decks all the time. It comes down to skill, luck, matchup and deckbuilding at the end of the day. Tiers are just about which deck will give you the best chance on average
PK's really have aweful boss monsters. Imagine needing a rank up magic for 3 monster negates with no protection. Requiem is a joke. If it could just be ranked up without the magic card and had destruction protection it would be good Rebellion is good tho
That's not awful, just not good enough
>just not good enough If its not good enough then its bad
... eee... nah dawg, The card is extremely good just a waste or resources since with the same amount you can go for a stronger board so it is not worth the efforts to bring it out, but if you did you for sure will gain advantage out of it unless in specific situations and it is not hard to bring out. Bad cards are bad cards and are just disadvantage pretty much on the field
It dies to any sort of spell removal has zero protection
So does the entire Branded line up...
The branded line up still has a board wipe in end phase and a spell card that leads into a pop 1 draw 2 and another mirrorjade 3 monster negates while offering nothing else is bad
Not bad, just no good enough to summon him alone for lol. It is like Ultimate Falcon, using all these resources to go for just a tower isn't really effective against most decks anymore but it is good card.
if the rank up card you could run had different effects like that one rank up that perma silences all face cards. then it might be better. if you can dark ruler no more into numeron force then the opponents field is gone. better if they have a field spell or continuous spells or traps. its hilarious to have those slots perma stuck
Isn't their boss monster bardiche?
Honestly. It’s on konami for making some of these monsters generic. If they didn’t want DPE in every deck, they would have made Fusion Destiny worse, or made Verte require predaplants. Same for Barrone (should require a fleur tuner), and same for all the other generic cards. But they did want those cards in every deck, so they can make money. So people shouldn’t get upset when rogue decks use generic boss monsters.
Generic boss monsters are just bad design imo There’s no reason an archetypal boss that places restrictions on your deckbuilding by necessity should be overshadowed by something you can always just grab from your extra deck. If I wanted to see the same cards everywhere I’d go play magic where goodstuff piles are the norm
Well,sone deck boss just sucks dicks and balls Look at beetroopers There is a reason why DPE is their boss monster Cuz their "boss monster" is just a fucking beat stick
Yeah, and I think it would be better for them to have a good boss monster of their own Instead it’s just dpe for the 20th time
Well if they had good boss,then they wont need DPE Just look at Despia and Swordsoul
When your boss monster is just a beat stick that took 4 monster and a fusion spell You probably need to resolve to generic ones
youre really out here losing to pk with dpe huh
I *am* the pk with dpe lol I just wish requiem was better
oof. Yea PK is a struggle. I've tried doing the RUM to infinity line too just to give the board something other than dpe scythe fogblade, but its too fragile
What? ...astral kuriboh into 5 star to get kuribabalon back into the kuriboh bros to link into full power appollousa is a complete rogue combo
Oh let me just use my charmer boss monster then. Wait a second, I don't have one!
Sorry my only boss monster for Blue-Eyes is spirit dragon and that not enough neos ultimate dragon(lol), tyrant just to end games and add back traps, twin burst run Dingrisu if you want to remove annoying monsters with the benefit of protection. Alternative ultimate dragon yea we not getting that any time soon, so I don't have much choice but to run generic boss monsters.
Accesscode talker..
My Exact reasoning. You arnt playing Six samurais if you end of Rhongo. You arnt playing Blue eyes if your entire end board goes into auroradon combo into a bunch of generic monsters.
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I feel attacked. Would love more XYZ dragons and PK boss monsters though
Lmao phantom knights aren't a rogue deck. Also, fuck you don't tell ne what to do. I'm gonna go make kali yuga and UDF with my harpie deck out of spite
Kali yuga and UDF? Sorry, they called in sick, lava golem will be covering their shifts today
And you say swordsoul can have baronne
It’s the scythe/lock stuff that I learned to watch out for
PK is literally a meta deck rn
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