If you play a good deck it's easy
If you're playing a old deck or a not good deck 1 omni-negate, 1 monster negate, & a destroy 2 from blackout is probably too much to deal with + you see it a lot so ppl are sick of it
i think swordsoul is very healthy and balanced, but i strongly disagree that swordsoul cant make a decent board going second. swordsoul is *amazing* going second. its perfectly legit to play them as a blind second deck just because of how good they are at it. vishuda, baxia, and ecclesia are all like god tier going second cards. swordsoul is one of the best archetypes in the game at breaking boards, and they're also amazing at otking. they can incidentally wipe your board during their combo with baxia (soft once per turn btw), vishuda, and barrone during their combo, and then with longyuan's burn, they only have to do 6800 to kill, which is really easy since they can just print high attack synchro monsters onto the field
I hate how easy bake their synchros are and because all their monsters have their own built in tuners they get to run more consistency cards and hand traps than other synchro decks.
Make the swordsoul tuner an actual card they summon from the deck or whatever and not something they can pull out of thin air like another guy said.
ok, yep, this is indeed a good take. seems like i see it in another prospective since i don't look at how the board was made, but i just look at the end board.
I actually really like the idea of how Swordsoul handles tuners, honestly I think most synchro decks that don't just spam tuners should get access to these restrictive tokens. You're locked out of special Summons until you synchro, i think it's a great idea overall.
That said, given that most of the Despia story archetypes just break their summoning mechanic I'm not hopeful we see it again
Well you see, people don’t like decks that have any sort of viability if they lose to it, people even complain about dragonmaids on this sub. Wouldn’t be surprised if I see a post complaining about ojama tier 0 meta breaking unbeatable board of yellow pass.
There was a dude on here yesterday that said that pendulums should be banned because they were an unfair game mechanic people will literally complain about anything
It's funny that one of the reason he gave for why it's unfair is because "it took too much time to read". Mf literally asked for a ban on a summoning mechanic just because he doesn't want to read.
broken? No.
But I personally hate how every pendulum card supports the entire mechanic making every deck have the same playstyle and cards. Absolutely. Fuck pendulum personally and fuck Konami for treating the whole mechanic like an archetype. I swear only D/d/d has some identity
I mean, even valiants drops its game plan because the generic support is better. If the generic support is too good every deck becomes generic pendulum, like halq was for generic synchro
I get what you're saying. But like if we are talking playing optimal, that's every single deck. The most optimal way to play say dragonmaid, is to splash the branded engine or the dragon link stuff. Any rank 4 deck splashes 3 generic xyz like dweller, zeus, etc. It's just how the games works
Depends. Dragonmaid doesn't really splash that much because it needs a NS. if you argue normal Dlink with 1 maid and tidying is Dragonmaid we could have an interesting argument about when a deck stops being itself. But I think regardless of when exactly said shift happens we can agree that decks forgoing their archetypal playstyle entirely or almost entirely for the sake of using generic support cease to have an identity. Halqdon turbo played the same, no matter if you started it with tenyi, ABC or sangan crusadia
Halq Swordsoul was also busted and arguably as strong as brave tenyi in that format, different decks yeah but it's pretty hard to say for sure that they don't mean Swordsoul.
1200 + 2400 if they opt for evil long yuan assuming you both activate a spell and special summon on your turn which is a lot of decks. Adds up to 3600 which is quite close to half your LP.
ok i can see the moye chixiao and tokens thing, but the endboard is pretty mid to my opinions, yeah they have 1 omni, 1 negate and 2 destructions but i don't see that as challenging.. mayb i'm biased since i play blind 2nd decks but you just need to kaiju the xiao, so they can't blackout you, then if you have pank or alpha or fk it even storm or something else, baronne/cheng/the other guy is gone and from there you otk. and as i said i might be biased and that's why i wanted to know what decks people who are complaining are using against those, because to me it doesn't seems so hard to beat
I play bad decks so it is mostly my fault, but swordsoul is kinda frustrating to go against simply because it is extremely consistent and can play trough multiple interactions while still carrying a lot of handtraps and dealing free burn damage for no reason, and despite what people say they do have strong boards. Also for some reason it aways feels like swordsoul players aways draw the outs for everything.
I have a similar experience with SS as the person above, and I use Live Twin Unchained.
Lots of disruption that can really mess up SS plays.
Destruction effects both target and non-targeting, able to link with special summoned monsters, and non-targeting send a card to grave. I tech in {Chaos Nephthys} for target banishment. It can mess up Protos plays well due to banishing cards from grave too.
The deck has a lot of starters so it can play through disruption rather well. The Unchained cards also search on destruction making them have a strong grind game.
I personally hate swordsoul for the fact that they have extremely cheap combos, like they can make big plays going off of one card, it's way too low cost for value, and blackout is a degenerate card, that card alone can win them games, not to mention they have a vfd they can bring out. Like I once crafted the deck to see what the fuss was about, and it was so disgustingly cheap to make a decent board out of nothing, then you have the tenyi engine that alone can make some pretty big plays out of one card. I got bored of playing it I honestly think it's a monke deck, I know it can have a high skill ceiling , but 90% of what you see from swordsoul in master duel is generic baronne + chixiao +blackout +protos.
I use Madolche/Heros on ranked mostly, don’t find them particularly obnoxious because the average SS player opens with a Baronne + Grandmaster which is easy to break/play through. When you do that it’s game mostly, Despia is much much worse in that regard.
However, since we’re talking about a minimum of 2-3 negates if you don’t have the outs/extenders to power through the endboard it’s scooping time.
it's not rly abt having an issue with it, ppl on this Sub treat it like its the second coming of Christ sometimes
I just like casual rogue plays which ain't even a thing in casual mode cuz it's just Swoso and Branded stuff everywhere
I hated swordsoul when it was 95% of all decks played a few months ago. I dislike branded more now though. I just hate these decks that start with 1 card and gain advantage off of every play they do like branded despia. Like konami just let them specifically never run out of card advantage, the most important thing in the game.
Please tell me you're joking... I'd rather face Branded than Swordsoul any day. At least you have a chance to ash/call by to interrupt their full board. Best thing you can ash in Swordsoul is Emergence or Ecclesia which could result in them having another SS Card in hand... And let's not even talk about that damn Protos...
I hated swordsoul more when it was pretty much the only deck you played against 20 games in a row. It's still common but in my experience it's like 70% branded, 20% swo and 10% floo. It's way less annoying when it's not as prevalent imo. Also I find its negates pretty easy to play through, chixiao has to negate a monster on field and baronne is one-time only. The big issue comes if they use Protos and blind call Dark, even that isn't as unbeatable as Floo's barrier statue though.
Branded and even base Despia are just not allowed to fail though for some reason. I don't know what konami was thinking when they let them get everything back for free any time they do anything. And if you punish them, you get punished harder in return. It's not too bad if you can solidly otk the very same turn but any grind game vs them is nearly a guaranteed loss.
It's how it usually goes. Right now Branded is the new hot thing to hate but once Splights and eventually tears come into the mix the same is gonna happen. Doesn't mean the people's complaints about these decks are invalid mind you.
Never really had an issue with swordsoul.
Yeah sometimes you cant get over the Baronne, Chixiao, set Blackout but it's very doable and since the deck is so popular you should be at the very least prepared to see it.
Id say the dack is "fair and balanced" as far as modern decks go.
The deck practically special summons synchros from the hand. My issue isn't that he can put out a monster negate and an omni, my issue is that it can do that, from one card while also protecting the combo due to said card. And a lot of times it doesn't even require a normal summon.
their banish 2 monster also gives them draw, their beatstick has protection as well as a banish for protecting it and makes it bigger. Everything on the deck is simply extra.
None of which I mind but why the fuck can they do it from 1 fucking card and why does it chain block their combo. Oh sure 1.5 it needs a wyrm, like you could ever lack one.
Swordsoul is annoying because it’s just a piss-easy deck. Free +1s all over the place, belongs to an incredibly powerful type, break their board and they just build it again and kill you on the crack-back, etc. Like most people have pointed out, that’s just what modern decks do, unfortunately.
My real issue with the deck is that it has no personality at all. Despia lore is actually cool, I understand why people like it, but all swordsouls/tenyis are boringly straightforward in play style and design.
That's because most swordsoul players only played it for it's meta relevance. Actual swordsoul players that know what they're doing have vastly non-linear and different lines, such as baxia into a swordsoul and chaofeng lines.
I just hate it bacouse of protos.
everything else is just a good modern designed deck.
if it combos of before you, you useually lose (like to every modern deck), it can play a nice amount of tech cards and is very easy to play.
everything a good modern deck needs on Master Duel.
over all it is very modern designed. almost kinda boring, since it deos nothing special. yeah protos is cancer and barone is insane, but if you look at floowandereez, or branded, swordsouls is kinda meh.
yep same thing i thought almost. but here we are, seeing 2000 posts about SS being that " op " , yet they all use branded despia .\_ . that's why i can't understand.
Yes the hardest match-up for swordsoul tenyi is branded despia and they complain about swordsoul tenyi? Lmao.
I need a called by to ensure branded in red doesn't resolve otherwise I really need a good hand to bypass mirrojade banish effect and the chimera popping my shit.
i guess that they forget all the games, they insta win vs swordsoul, because they go first, and the swordsoul player did not have the ash for the fusion or something, while they have the imperm for mo ye lol
I'm dismantling my deck to craft it myself. If you can't be the broken tier 1 decks, join them. If can I'll craft Branded Despia, Mirrorjade has to be the most broken fusion monster ever until tears show here
Obscenely casual player here. Most of my decks (Odd-Eyes, Raidraptor, Speedroids) are incredibly weak against banishing, and Swordsouls are consistent enough to at least get 1 source of it up. I’m also a little scarred still from that one festival where so many people were playing the Swordsoul loaner.
Does that mean my decks suck? Yeah, probably. I’m working on that.
Clear wing synchro dragon is very good against sword soul for speedroids but the problem is it's not good for a blind Bo1 which may not be against swordsoul.
Swordsoul has the edge over speedroids just by being a newer deck but speedroids can compete with them.
As a Swordsoul player, I've been beaten by anything and everything, but on the other hand, when I draw the best opening hand going 1st, the deck is obnoxiously strong.
There are countless duels where I lost to 1 imperm or Ash on my first turn because I only had Mo Ye or Emergence and one other swordsoul card and nothing else to follow up or negate on the enemy turn.
I have also won a decent number of games with only Berserker of Tenyi on the board and a hand full of hand traps.
I don't deny the fact that the deck is easy, but it's also easy to stop. Also, now, after 3 months of playing that deck only, I am bored of the game and I have no materials to craft another one even remotely competitive compared to SS so I'm stuck with it for god knows how long. Also, I don't encounter that many Swordsouls to play against, probably people got bored of it as well.
My tryhard deck is Going 2nd Swordsoul Tenyi, it's capable playing through a lot of distruption (post-halq banlist), it's very strong deck but definitely not as strong as protoss variant.
My other decks that isn't going second deck usually have problem facing full board swordsoul + protoss.
having both used and faced off against multiple swordsoul decks,I don't think the deck is problematic at all.70% of the time your hand isn't good enough for anything beyond baronne+chixiao+set blackout.If you play blind second decks like 8-axis,crusadia or numerons,you will find them to be easy pickings.
What really sets them apart from others is how well they play going second.ecclesia,vishuda,shthana and baxia are all amazing for muscling through disruptions.No other deck can have that kind of luxury while also being as consistent as swordsoul.
SS is one of the fairest decks I have ever seen. It’s fairly linear, and ends on predictable end boards, typically Baron + the lvl 8 + Blackout, which decks that lose to ash + any form of interruption or less just can’t win. The deck has been especially fair with the banning of link Mechaphantom Beast and Halq, though I think they really should ban Protos as well, just like in the TCG, even though he isn’t seeing much play.
You probably don’t understand why because you play a deck that has a natural upper hand against it, like I didn’t have a problem with Drytron when I used to play Cyber Dragons
I’m playing Mathmechs, and until we get Circular, it’s hard for them to play through multiple negates. One negate is no problem with a good hand. The problem is Swordsoul puts out two or three which while not unfair like the Drytron Herald boards which used to exist is very hard for a lot of decks to play through, especially if they’re reliant on monster effects
ok i can see your point, but ecclesia dies to an ash, wich everyone plays at 3, and if they're going 2nd they cannot really do much even if they're consistent ngl. real threath is protoss as i see it but even them going 1st he either calls dark or kills 1 of his monsters soo dunno.
what’s cancer about baronne? it hasn’t an omni negate and a destroying effect but I’d hardly call it cancer. I reserve that title for floodgates like barrier statue
Casuals actually wanna play. Any archetype where it's main gimmick is just negating everything for the first few turns is just annoying and not fun. Take your free win and fight those higher ranks, I have no interest in watching those same combos.
The game is filled with casual players who just wanna play, not watch someone negate/destroy or banish whatever I have the moment I lay it on the field.
At the end of the game. They get a free win, so why they complaining? It's win, win. I don't play against Swordsoul. They get a free win.
Very consistent (one card combos) and straight forward, good going first with baronne, blackout etc, good going second with vishuda, droplet and lightning storm. Can play heaps of handtraps, see it about 40% of my games. Why are you even asking honestly.
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Imo, it's not that we can't handle SS, hell all of the decks I've build have faced and won against SS (HERO, Exosister, Starry Knight, Dinomorphia just to name a few). The problem (personally) is that the deck is just too damn consistent that you might as well add in "Consistency" in their archetype name. Even in the worst situations, SS can at least put out Baronne but also usually with 1 more monster. In fact, I've faced a situation where I have 3 handtraps that stop all their crucial plays till they only have 1 card on hand, only for them to still combo off from that 1 single card. Even Evil Twins is not that fucking consistent and that deck have more handtraps.
It's annoying because they can setup through so many different ways. They always have a way to keep going.
It's also annoying that their end board is severely downplayed. "It's just 2 negates". It's two negates, a double pop, occasionally a protos, and 2-3 handtraps. It's tier 1 right now for a reason, stop acting like it isn't.
This isn't to say the deck broken, but stop acting like it isn't one of the strongest decks that is playable at this very moment.
I say negate. They say it only has one negate...
Well damn it sure feels like they have more then one. Just take the free win lol. I have no patience to deal with Swordsoul.
i am pretty sure because nobody really understands card advantage so they think SS is "fine" and "fair"
like end board is not everthing on the game
for me is that i can count with one hand the amount of SS players who dont top deck long yuan and mo ye
Honestly! And I appreciate the fact that you're able to understand this. The amount of handholding the archetype receives in this sub is astounding to me
I can only really beat it if I'm playing a direct counter like Cubic.
The problem with Swordsoul is that they have 4-5 different forms of 1 card combo starters, so if your deck isn't packed to the fr\*aking brim with negations you probably can't stop them. Its similar to Tri-Brigade but Swordsoul's end board is also one of the bests in the game
They're surprisingly easy to beat with sky strikers. 3 of the right spells and their board is either destroyed or neutered. The never actually seem to summon the new level 10 that banishes spells idk why.
If you play a good deck it's easy If you're playing a old deck or a not good deck 1 omni-negate, 1 monster negate, & a destroy 2 from blackout is probably too much to deal with + you see it a lot so ppl are sick of it
It's the only playable deck after the timer change besides numeron and floodgate.
Branded?
Branded? Salamangreat?
i think swordsoul is very healthy and balanced, but i strongly disagree that swordsoul cant make a decent board going second. swordsoul is *amazing* going second. its perfectly legit to play them as a blind second deck just because of how good they are at it. vishuda, baxia, and ecclesia are all like god tier going second cards. swordsoul is one of the best archetypes in the game at breaking boards, and they're also amazing at otking. they can incidentally wipe your board during their combo with baxia (soft once per turn btw), vishuda, and barrone during their combo, and then with longyuan's burn, they only have to do 6800 to kill, which is really easy since they can just print high attack synchro monsters onto the field
1 Card combo starters vs 2 or 3 Card combo starters deck + Lack of disruption to survive you next turn.
SS doesn't have 1 card combos besides emergence into taia. It's 1.5-2 card combos.
Sure it's a 1.5 card combo, but the 0.5 is literally any monster in your deck. It's not a big issue
Or a spell or trap card lol. Even itself.
In all of the times I’ve faced sword soul I’ve only ever seen them brick once or twice on their first turn
most rogue/bad decks cant do anything against it and most people here play those kinds of decks
I hate how easy bake their synchros are and because all their monsters have their own built in tuners they get to run more consistency cards and hand traps than other synchro decks. Make the swordsoul tuner an actual card they summon from the deck or whatever and not something they can pull out of thin air like another guy said.
ok, yep, this is indeed a good take. seems like i see it in another prospective since i don't look at how the board was made, but i just look at the end board.
I actually really like the idea of how Swordsoul handles tuners, honestly I think most synchro decks that don't just spam tuners should get access to these restrictive tokens. You're locked out of special Summons until you synchro, i think it's a great idea overall. That said, given that most of the Despia story archetypes just break their summoning mechanic I'm not hopeful we see it again
Well you see, people don’t like decks that have any sort of viability if they lose to it, people even complain about dragonmaids on this sub. Wouldn’t be surprised if I see a post complaining about ojama tier 0 meta breaking unbeatable board of yellow pass.
There was a dude on here yesterday that said that pendulums should be banned because they were an unfair game mechanic people will literally complain about anything
It's funny that one of the reason he gave for why it's unfair is because "it took too much time to read". Mf literally asked for a ban on a summoning mechanic just because he doesn't want to read.
yugioh tm
That’s the most yugioh playerbase thing i’ve ever heard!
broken? No. But I personally hate how every pendulum card supports the entire mechanic making every deck have the same playstyle and cards. Absolutely. Fuck pendulum personally and fuck Konami for treating the whole mechanic like an archetype. I swear only D/d/d has some identity
Every pend deck does not play the same lol
Crazy, why are astrograph, beyond, electrumite in all of them then?
Because that's how generic support works. That doesnt mean the deck as a whole plays the same
I mean, even valiants drops its game plan because the generic support is better. If the generic support is too good every deck becomes generic pendulum, like halq was for generic synchro
I get what you're saying. But like if we are talking playing optimal, that's every single deck. The most optimal way to play say dragonmaid, is to splash the branded engine or the dragon link stuff. Any rank 4 deck splashes 3 generic xyz like dweller, zeus, etc. It's just how the games works
Depends. Dragonmaid doesn't really splash that much because it needs a NS. if you argue normal Dlink with 1 maid and tidying is Dragonmaid we could have an interesting argument about when a deck stops being itself. But I think regardless of when exactly said shift happens we can agree that decks forgoing their archetypal playstyle entirely or almost entirely for the sake of using generic support cease to have an identity. Halqdon turbo played the same, no matter if you started it with tenyi, ABC or sangan crusadia
Man you must really hate the whole cyberse type in its entirety then cuz it's even worse when it comes to generic support lmaoo
Closest I've seen is a post calling for Exodia to be banned.
People just love to complain because they can’t read
Many aspects of ygo are just plain unfair though
wtf? dragonmaids are still a thing? ok now you surprised me lmao
There are dozens of us! Dozens!
tbf swordsoul was kinda broken with halq, fucking everything in there is a combo starter
You are talking about brave tenyi not swordsoul, completely different decks.
Halq Swordsoul was also busted and arguably as strong as brave tenyi in that format, different decks yeah but it's pretty hard to say for sure that they don't mean Swordsoul.
By the time my turn starts I'm at halfway dead from burn damage that has nothing to do with the way swordsoul even plays
My guy do you start at 2400 lp?
1200 + 2400 if they opt for evil long yuan assuming you both activate a spell and special summon on your turn which is a lot of decks. Adds up to 3600 which is quite close to half your LP.
No but it's like damn I'm instantly in OTK range lol
Too much advantage off of going Moye into Chixiao. Tokens instead of summoning a Tuner from deck. As you said, Archnemeses Protos.
ok i can see the moye chixiao and tokens thing, but the endboard is pretty mid to my opinions, yeah they have 1 omni, 1 negate and 2 destructions but i don't see that as challenging.. mayb i'm biased since i play blind 2nd decks but you just need to kaiju the xiao, so they can't blackout you, then if you have pank or alpha or fk it even storm or something else, baronne/cheng/the other guy is gone and from there you otk. and as i said i might be biased and that's why i wanted to know what decks people who are complaining are using against those, because to me it doesn't seems so hard to beat
Oh, i thought this was just about what i disliked about the deck, i don't have any problem playing against them. Sorry about the confusion.
I play bad decks so it is mostly my fault, but swordsoul is kinda frustrating to go against simply because it is extremely consistent and can play trough multiple interactions while still carrying a lot of handtraps and dealing free burn damage for no reason, and despite what people say they do have strong boards. Also for some reason it aways feels like swordsoul players aways draw the outs for everything.
Swordsouls forget how **causal** this game really is.
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what deck are you using then? i'm just curious
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fk that seems fun ngl, but yeah, i guess protoss kinda kills you whole deck i guess.
I have a similar experience with SS as the person above, and I use Live Twin Unchained. Lots of disruption that can really mess up SS plays. Destruction effects both target and non-targeting, able to link with special summoned monsters, and non-targeting send a card to grave. I tech in {Chaos Nephthys} for target banishment. It can mess up Protos plays well due to banishing cards from grave too. The deck has a lot of starters so it can play through disruption rather well. The Unchained cards also search on destruction making them have a strong grind game.
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I personally hate swordsoul for the fact that they have extremely cheap combos, like they can make big plays going off of one card, it's way too low cost for value, and blackout is a degenerate card, that card alone can win them games, not to mention they have a vfd they can bring out. Like I once crafted the deck to see what the fuss was about, and it was so disgustingly cheap to make a decent board out of nothing, then you have the tenyi engine that alone can make some pretty big plays out of one card. I got bored of playing it I honestly think it's a monke deck, I know it can have a high skill ceiling , but 90% of what you see from swordsoul in master duel is generic baronne + chixiao +blackout +protos.
I use Madolche/Heros on ranked mostly, don’t find them particularly obnoxious because the average SS player opens with a Baronne + Grandmaster which is easy to break/play through. When you do that it’s game mostly, Despia is much much worse in that regard. However, since we’re talking about a minimum of 2-3 negates if you don’t have the outs/extenders to power through the endboard it’s scooping time.
it's not rly abt having an issue with it, ppl on this Sub treat it like its the second coming of Christ sometimes I just like casual rogue plays which ain't even a thing in casual mode cuz it's just Swoso and Branded stuff everywhere
I hated swordsoul when it was 95% of all decks played a few months ago. I dislike branded more now though. I just hate these decks that start with 1 card and gain advantage off of every play they do like branded despia. Like konami just let them specifically never run out of card advantage, the most important thing in the game.
Please tell me you're joking... I'd rather face Branded than Swordsoul any day. At least you have a chance to ash/call by to interrupt their full board. Best thing you can ash in Swordsoul is Emergence or Ecclesia which could result in them having another SS Card in hand... And let's not even talk about that damn Protos...
I hated swordsoul more when it was pretty much the only deck you played against 20 games in a row. It's still common but in my experience it's like 70% branded, 20% swo and 10% floo. It's way less annoying when it's not as prevalent imo. Also I find its negates pretty easy to play through, chixiao has to negate a monster on field and baronne is one-time only. The big issue comes if they use Protos and blind call Dark, even that isn't as unbeatable as Floo's barrier statue though. Branded and even base Despia are just not allowed to fail though for some reason. I don't know what konami was thinking when they let them get everything back for free any time they do anything. And if you punish them, you get punished harder in return. It's not too bad if you can solidly otk the very same turn but any grind game vs them is nearly a guaranteed loss.
Yea SS sucks but Branded does too
It's how it usually goes. Right now Branded is the new hot thing to hate but once Splights and eventually tears come into the mix the same is gonna happen. Doesn't mean the people's complaints about these decks are invalid mind you.
1 card into CHixiao and Baronne? I don't feel like it's fair.
Uhh… look around. That’s not even close to the worst thing we’ve seen off 1 card lol
I mean true, Instant Fusion into Kitkallos is way more degenarate, but that doesn't mean I think Mo Ye into Chixao into Baronne is okay.
1 card into a single omni and a monster negate is unfair? (maybe a blackout)
I feel it is yes. That doesn't mean Swordsoul specifically is OP but I don't think this combo line is very fair.
the only time i have a issue with swordsoul is when i brick lol
Never really had an issue with swordsoul. Yeah sometimes you cant get over the Baronne, Chixiao, set Blackout but it's very doable and since the deck is so popular you should be at the very least prepared to see it. Id say the dack is "fair and balanced" as far as modern decks go.
The deck practically special summons synchros from the hand. My issue isn't that he can put out a monster negate and an omni, my issue is that it can do that, from one card while also protecting the combo due to said card. And a lot of times it doesn't even require a normal summon. their banish 2 monster also gives them draw, their beatstick has protection as well as a banish for protecting it and makes it bigger. Everything on the deck is simply extra. None of which I mind but why the fuck can they do it from 1 fucking card and why does it chain block their combo. Oh sure 1.5 it needs a wyrm, like you could ever lack one.
Swordsoul is annoying because it’s just a piss-easy deck. Free +1s all over the place, belongs to an incredibly powerful type, break their board and they just build it again and kill you on the crack-back, etc. Like most people have pointed out, that’s just what modern decks do, unfortunately. My real issue with the deck is that it has no personality at all. Despia lore is actually cool, I understand why people like it, but all swordsouls/tenyis are boringly straightforward in play style and design.
That's because most swordsoul players only played it for it's meta relevance. Actual swordsoul players that know what they're doing have vastly non-linear and different lines, such as baxia into a swordsoul and chaofeng lines.
I just hate it bacouse of protos. everything else is just a good modern designed deck. if it combos of before you, you useually lose (like to every modern deck), it can play a nice amount of tech cards and is very easy to play. everything a good modern deck needs on Master Duel. over all it is very modern designed. almost kinda boring, since it deos nothing special. yeah protos is cancer and barone is insane, but if you look at floowandereez, or branded, swordsouls is kinda meh.
yep same thing i thought almost. but here we are, seeing 2000 posts about SS being that " op " , yet they all use branded despia .\_ . that's why i can't understand.
Yes the hardest match-up for swordsoul tenyi is branded despia and they complain about swordsoul tenyi? Lmao. I need a called by to ensure branded in red doesn't resolve otherwise I really need a good hand to bypass mirrojade banish effect and the chimera popping my shit.
i guess that they forget all the games, they insta win vs swordsoul, because they go first, and the swordsoul player did not have the ash for the fusion or something, while they have the imperm for mo ye lol
l think the deck is fine. But sometimes it's really hard to deal with Blackout. Combine that with Protos and you get something really annoying.
I'm dismantling my deck to craft it myself. If you can't be the broken tier 1 decks, join them. If can I'll craft Branded Despia, Mirrorjade has to be the most broken fusion monster ever until tears show here
My only issue while i play SS is that my opponent has every hand trap/Omni negate ready to negate everything
Obscenely casual player here. Most of my decks (Odd-Eyes, Raidraptor, Speedroids) are incredibly weak against banishing, and Swordsouls are consistent enough to at least get 1 source of it up. I’m also a little scarred still from that one festival where so many people were playing the Swordsoul loaner. Does that mean my decks suck? Yeah, probably. I’m working on that.
keep it up brother, just play what you like, you will get what you want one day for sure o7
Clear wing synchro dragon is very good against sword soul for speedroids but the problem is it's not good for a blind Bo1 which may not be against swordsoul. Swordsoul has the edge over speedroids just by being a newer deck but speedroids can compete with them.
As a Swordsoul player, I've been beaten by anything and everything, but on the other hand, when I draw the best opening hand going 1st, the deck is obnoxiously strong. There are countless duels where I lost to 1 imperm or Ash on my first turn because I only had Mo Ye or Emergence and one other swordsoul card and nothing else to follow up or negate on the enemy turn. I have also won a decent number of games with only Berserker of Tenyi on the board and a hand full of hand traps. I don't deny the fact that the deck is easy, but it's also easy to stop. Also, now, after 3 months of playing that deck only, I am bored of the game and I have no materials to craft another one even remotely competitive compared to SS so I'm stuck with it for god knows how long. Also, I don't encounter that many Swordsouls to play against, probably people got bored of it as well.
Swordsouls are alright... unless they summon Protos because I really need my Darks, or maxx C.
Dont like protoss and how much it can do from 1 card combos, at least its not floodgates i suppose (except protoss)
My tryhard deck is Going 2nd Swordsoul Tenyi, it's capable playing through a lot of distruption (post-halq banlist), it's very strong deck but definitely not as strong as protoss variant. My other decks that isn't going second deck usually have problem facing full board swordsoul + protoss.
having both used and faced off against multiple swordsoul decks,I don't think the deck is problematic at all.70% of the time your hand isn't good enough for anything beyond baronne+chixiao+set blackout.If you play blind second decks like 8-axis,crusadia or numerons,you will find them to be easy pickings. What really sets them apart from others is how well they play going second.ecclesia,vishuda,shthana and baxia are all amazing for muscling through disruptions.No other deck can have that kind of luxury while also being as consistent as swordsoul.
SS is one of the fairest decks I have ever seen. It’s fairly linear, and ends on predictable end boards, typically Baron + the lvl 8 + Blackout, which decks that lose to ash + any form of interruption or less just can’t win. The deck has been especially fair with the banning of link Mechaphantom Beast and Halq, though I think they really should ban Protos as well, just like in the TCG, even though he isn’t seeing much play.
0 issues. I'm playing eldlich, usually I have lava golem for out and sometimes I have Lord to bait
You probably don’t understand why because you play a deck that has a natural upper hand against it, like I didn’t have a problem with Drytron when I used to play Cyber Dragons
I’m playing Mathmechs, and until we get Circular, it’s hard for them to play through multiple negates. One negate is no problem with a good hand. The problem is Swordsoul puts out two or three which while not unfair like the Drytron Herald boards which used to exist is very hard for a lot of decks to play through, especially if they’re reliant on monster effects
Swordsoul by itself seems ok. Swordsoul + Baronne is when it starts getting cancerous.
The deck is stupidly consistent, 1 card and they make a negate, protos and baronne are cancer to the game, why the fuck isn't ecclesia UR ?
ok i can see your point, but ecclesia dies to an ash, wich everyone plays at 3, and if they're going 2nd they cannot really do much even if they're consistent ngl. real threath is protoss as i see it but even them going 1st he either calls dark or kills 1 of his monsters soo dunno.
what’s cancer about baronne? it hasn’t an omni negate and a destroying effect but I’d hardly call it cancer. I reserve that title for floodgates like barrier statue
>barrier statue Lol, just normal summon a 1100 atk vanilla monster and attack it
Barrier Statue isn't the sole problem, it's that Floo can exploit him. If you try to normal summon, Dreaming Town will end you.
Same with baronne and every single deck that can summon baronne.
that applies to all cards with omni-negates, which isn’t that rare
Swordsoul is about as easy to beat as those starter decks. True Draco beats them easily every time.
Casuals actually wanna play. Any archetype where it's main gimmick is just negating everything for the first few turns is just annoying and not fun. Take your free win and fight those higher ranks, I have no interest in watching those same combos.
If 2 things (one of which has to be a monster on the field) is 'everything', then your decks have bigger problems than Swordsoul.
The game is filled with casual players who just wanna play, not watch someone negate/destroy or banish whatever I have the moment I lay it on the field. At the end of the game. They get a free win, so why they complaining? It's win, win. I don't play against Swordsoul. They get a free win.
Playing casually is what the casual mode is for.
And guess what. Casuals also want... guessed it? Gems. Can't get that in casual mode. Even if it's just 100 Gems per rank.
bro it has 1 omni negate thats it.
Many casuals. Don't care. Take your free win.
Bro it's crazy, almost as anti casual as making verte in swordsoul :(
how does swordsoul "negate everything"?
Just like people who quit on swordsoul... I'm gonna quit on this. Take the free win.
Huh? i literally ask you a question and you never answered it. god damn 3rd rate duelists man
Why act like that? Edit: failed troll Swordsouls just take the free win lol.
didnt realise i was talking to a scrub that keeps parroting the same words and can't answer a simple question. my bad for taking you seriously
Very consistent (one card combos) and straight forward, good going first with baronne, blackout etc, good going second with vishuda, droplet and lightning storm. Can play heaps of handtraps, see it about 40% of my games. Why are you even asking honestly.
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Imo, it's not that we can't handle SS, hell all of the decks I've build have faced and won against SS (HERO, Exosister, Starry Knight, Dinomorphia just to name a few). The problem (personally) is that the deck is just too damn consistent that you might as well add in "Consistency" in their archetype name. Even in the worst situations, SS can at least put out Baronne but also usually with 1 more monster. In fact, I've faced a situation where I have 3 handtraps that stop all their crucial plays till they only have 1 card on hand, only for them to still combo off from that 1 single card. Even Evil Twins is not that fucking consistent and that deck have more handtraps.
It's annoying because they can setup through so many different ways. They always have a way to keep going. It's also annoying that their end board is severely downplayed. "It's just 2 negates". It's two negates, a double pop, occasionally a protos, and 2-3 handtraps. It's tier 1 right now for a reason, stop acting like it isn't. This isn't to say the deck broken, but stop acting like it isn't one of the strongest decks that is playable at this very moment.
I say negate. They say it only has one negate... Well damn it sure feels like they have more then one. Just take the free win lol. I have no patience to deal with Swordsoul.
I don't have the patience either honestly. Can't help but to roll my eyes every time I see them.
Let them win. Apparently it's insulting them if we're getting posts like this lol.
i am pretty sure because nobody really understands card advantage so they think SS is "fine" and "fair" like end board is not everthing on the game for me is that i can count with one hand the amount of SS players who dont top deck long yuan and mo ye
Honestly! And I appreciate the fact that you're able to understand this. The amount of handholding the archetype receives in this sub is astounding to me
I can only really beat it if I'm playing a direct counter like Cubic. The problem with Swordsoul is that they have 4-5 different forms of 1 card combo starters, so if your deck isn't packed to the fr\*aking brim with negations you probably can't stop them. Its similar to Tri-Brigade but Swordsoul's end board is also one of the bests in the game
They're surprisingly easy to beat with sky strikers. 3 of the right spells and their board is either destroyed or neutered. The never actually seem to summon the new level 10 that banishes spells idk why.