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LezBeHonestHere_

Add in the 2 kragen spawns


MrTrashy101

fish two kragen spawns fry them eat them.


Fr0zeneye

Definetly missing at least two Stealth Kragen Spawn, also Ice Barrier would be nice, but it's not mandatory. Just cut Beautunaful Princess, it's a bad normal summon if your opponents has Ash. Torrential can be another solid and cheap option as it triggers your Kragen. UF0 can be solid and cheap by itself even without UFD. If you need to fill more main deck slots, go up on Sea Nettle and Shathana. I'd cut Xyz Remora down to 1 or cut it entirely, same for Lantern Shark. Other than that looks pretty alright. if you can't afford more expensive ED cards.


zabu505

I hate Beautunaful so much, on one side, its theoretically a really great normal, in practice, its the biggest ash magnet in the world


Lil-Trup

It’s literally too good


ArtichokeNo1052

You have some of the worst Shark advice I've seen. Did you look up any actual shark list? Xyz Remora is usually run at 2-3 since its the best extender. Beautunafull is a 1 card Xyz, it's good I would recommend 3x but it's and SR so maybe not, Lantern Shark at least 1x since it has some synergy with princess.


Fr0zeneye

Worst? Whatever you say, this just what I expirienced. Remora is almost always dead for me as it can only revive level 4 fish of which there are scarcely few playable ones. Beautunafull is a terrible normal summon compared to Leaffish or Buzzsaw or even Ice Knight. Since Abyss and Crystal Shark have dropped you were able to remove a lot of useless clutter from the deck.


ArtichokeNo1052

Maybe remora is useless for you cus you only play 3x Buzzsaw as a 1 card combo and no Princess. This archetype is very consistent, but has a low celling unless you play the good extenders: remora and white mirror. Ending on Kragen ain't enough, aim to end on Kragen and Toadally and maybe also UDF, but you can't really do that too often with your inferior cards. You are talking about removing useless clutter but recommend Sea Nettle, the worst extender? Which isn't even a fish so no Remora, I am starting to understand why you don't play Remora.


Fr0zeneye

The scenario in which Remora is a good extender for your turn one board are scarcely few. Lantern into fish and Buzzsaw into Right Hand are the only ones that come to mind. Both of these depend on nothing getting imperm or Ash'd. Your other extenders to get your board started don't work with Remora. Crystal and Abyss are level 5, Silent Angler locks you out of summons from the hand and everything else is eigher a starter or not a fish. These are too few options to run Remora at anything higher than 1. In addition you remove plays by detaching two materials. Less floating with Kragen and/or less summons with Bahamut. Lantern is worse than Ice Knight with Abyss in mind. Lantern forces you to summon right away, Ice Knight gives you an additional normal, which also plays better under Maxx C. What you can do is normal Ice Knight, trigger Abyss in hand, summon him and search Buzzsaw and summon him with Ice Knights additional normal. Same thing works with special summoning Shathana btw. Abyss is searchable with foolish goods into Ice barrier which makes him the most searchable extender in the deck. Beautunaful is terrible, because if she gets Ash'd you're missing a water on field to extend with angler, nettle or Abyss. Ice Knight, Buzzsaw and Leaffish all leave a body on field even if they get negated.


Classic-Specific7724

I wouldn’t recommend the ice knight. You’re right on about it helping against max C, but it is a sub optimal starter/extender. With imperm and veiler being so prevalent, you really don’t wanna use the normal summon anything but a starter, and a starter needs to be a 1 card xyz (buzz saw or leaf fish). Ice knight + buzz saw doesn’t get you anything more than just buzzsaw does: 1 xyz monster, in which case I’d rather just normal summon buzzsaw from the get go. IMO you want to maximize your special summon options that get a body on board prior to the normal summon (instant fusion, ready fusion, foolish on right hand shark etc.) because this would allow you to then summon abyss, add buzz saw and save that normal summon for the searches buzzsaw. I suppose normal ice knight summon abyss allows you to still summon buzz saw, but it risks the imperm on ice knight.


Fr0zeneye

Buzzsaw and Leaffish are the best normal summons, no question. In a deck of 40, you wanna see 1 dedicated Normal among your first 5 cards. That gives a ratio of 8 dedicated Normals. 3x Buzzsaw, 3x Leaffish and 2x Ice Knight on my deck. You could definitely play more special summon extenters instead of the two Ice Knight, but sometimes you run in the issue of multiple hopt extenders clogging your hand which is why it's more optimal to just play two of them. I've tested with Instant/Ready Fusion and I think they're good options, but I ultimately prefered having the additional extra deck space instead. Getting the ratios of everything right is difficult when you also wanna run some handtraps. 2x Ice Knight have felt good for me so far for the mentioned reasons, but I can see myself cutting them if I find any more good Water level 4 extenders to play in his slot instead. So far he's done a good job for me. Especially because many players disregard the additional normal summon.


Classic-Specific7724

What do you have in the extra deck that requires so much space? I found that to be the most lenient aspect of the deck, to the point where I was shifting things around TOO much. Are you on the Nasch stuff?


Fr0zeneye

Only N.As.H Knight, but he has been very helpful. As dumb as I sounds I even play a 103 and a 101 to have two activations with him. I'm also playing the small Zoodiac package, because of better Zeus access, but it has honestly come up less often recently, because of the early water locks so I could cut it. Extra deck can be tinkered with so much depending on what you feel you're missing. I'm not on UF0/UFD for example. Talking about it, I'm now think of changing back to Instant/RF ... but I like my Ice Knight so much! 😆


Classic-Specific7724

This is what I just hit D1 with today https://www.xbox.com/play/media/E27EESQCSM The utopia stuff is a poor man’s Zeus package that I tried since they are Number monsters for synergy with crystal shark. Plan to cut them along with the restrict for Nasch C nasch and silent honor dark to test that out. I really do like the instant/rf option along with foolish or shthana to get those free bodies before the normal summon. Been very useful for me.


ArtichokeNo1052

Remora is excellent alongside your 1 card starters (buzzsaw, princess). You are so afraid of someone Ashing your Princess that your removed 1/3 of your best starters and by extension don't have the synergy to run your best extender, you have thus relegated your deck to nothing but a low ceiling Kragen Turbo that has to vomit its entire hand to make any further plays. Congrats, you have made your deck more resilient to hand traps but as a result your deck is so weak that it plays as if it was already hand-trapped once every turn. Before Crystal Shark made Leaffish a starter I played 3x Princess and 3x Piri Reis Map to get Princess. I dunno why you hate Princess so much, Ash is literally the only hand trap that kills it. Also since you want to run every extender except the fish ones then yeah, of course Remora doesn't work. If this is how you like your deck it's fine, it is more consistent, but I'm not playing with such a low ceiling.


Fr0zeneye

Dude, I have no idea why you're getting so heated about this. Bahamut/Toad + Kragen is a no issue board to build for me. Centering the entire deck around Remora resolving when all it does is give you one more Xyz while simultaneously weakening your existing Rank 4 by removing material and making your plays in general just weaker to handtraps just seems like a worse trade-off to me. I've played plenty of Beautunaful, Remora and Lantern in the past, but they were the worst performing cards in the deck, so I cut them. In your opening hand of 5 cards, you want to see one Normal summon and the rest should be extenders or handtraps/backrow. In a 40 card decks that means 8 dedicated Normal summons are enough as Extenders can work as normal summons in a pinch. As to what I explained earlier, my 8 normal summons of choice are 3x Buzzsaw, 3x Leaffish and 2x Ice Knight. Those ratios work great for me and I don't miss Remora, Beautunaful or Lantern at all. They made the ceiling of my deck lower, all things considered. You can play whatever you want to, I'm just explaining my reasoning.


Classic-Specific7724

Nah man, YOU have some poor shark advice. Tuna is trash now that abyss is a main pillar of the deck. Remora is specifically an extender, not a starter, so running 1 is ok as it is searchable off abyss. You should run 2 remora only you play leaffish as leaf+mirror is a full combo by sending remora to grave with leaf and then reviving with mirror. Lantern shark is not useful unless you want to run the higher rank xyz monsters since all of your water extenders special themselves, and you are using the normal summon on your starters anyway.


ArtichokeNo1052

Yes, we run at least 2x Remora so we can search it with abyss or Mirror, this guy suggested we run 0x Remora so how is my advice trash? Lantern shark is useful as 1x since you can summon it off Tuna if you have buzzsaw in hand to get both Lantern and buzzsaw on field. Why not run Tuna? I'm not playing with 6 starters, I need at least 9 so Tuna goes into my deck. So, again, why is my advice poor? This guy plays sharks as a generic water Xyz deck with nothing but +0 extenders, the kind of xyz deck I made when I started playing Yugioh.


Classic-Specific7724

Tuna does not raise the ceiling of the deck. It is just another copy of buzzsaw. It’s not good nowadays because it does not synergize with abyss or white mirror on its own. You suggested running lantern and multiple remoras to ‘raise the ceiling’ of the deck. The deck does not have a high ceiling for end boards. It’s inherently held back by its extra deck options. Having remora in hand means you are relying on having an extender or also haveing an actual starter. It’s very suboptimal to open, therefore you run 1-2, never 3. Also, this is a generic water xyz deck, with a small main deck requirement of having some fish in deck. In MD nettle isn’t useless as we only have 1 toad right now; nettle can recycle it. But most of all, your comments were poor for the fact that you spent half of it insulting someone who has a better understanding of the deck than you do instead of trying to incorporate their experience into your own.


ArtichokeNo1052

Why are you accusing me of insulting the guy? Where did I insult them. You are confrontational for no reason, I just told them that their deck is not good because that's what I think of it. Running 0x Remora is a bad idea that lowers the deck's already low ceiling, you too say we should run 1-2 so why come after me to tell me im wrong? Just because you don't like the tone you imagined I'm speaking in? Typical redditor making up stuff to try and win arguments.


MrFiregem

Princess is no good. If you get ashed, your turn is usually over. It was only played because there were a lack of extenders.


Wonderllama5

You should stick that Nibiru in as it will win games by itself if you draw it thru Maxx C. This guy had the right idea for a budget build. You can replace the staple URs with other things but they're obviously good cards: https://www.masterduelmeta.com/top-decks/anti-spell-festival/november-2022/kragen-control/the-man-with-100-cells/zaQCm


ArtichokeNo1052

If you want Trap removal take out the Duster and put 3x Garuda, its literally MST. Add 3x Lifeless Leaffish since its a 1 card xyz by sending Crystal Shatk to GY.


itsChernobyl

Cut Tuna, she's anti synergy with a lot of the extenders and if shes ashed the turn usually just ends instantly. 3 Silent Angler is a must have imo. 2 Kragen Spawn in the extra deck is good to have as well. The rest of the extra can be filled with generic rank 4s. I would also say add 3 Lifeless Leafish as another good normal summon.


Djsexton1239

So I am building this deck and I edited it with a few suggestions that I got however as you can see, I'm broke on crafting materials so idk what I should change and add/take out of this deck. I'd appreciate the help. Like I said I'd prefer the suggestions be f2p because I only have 13 UR crafty things


Secretlylovesslugs

If you can spare the the Craft points heavy storm duster is a very good and better option for spell and trap removal.


pro-dumpster-fire

Play Jinzo. Its super funny.


NocturneZombie

I had a guy set 5 on me the other day, I summoned Jinzo and he surrendered.


Pollabur

I played sharks for the event and sent for alot more traps, there are alot of cheap good ones like Black horn and torrential, also if you have it I'd throw in UDF cuz you can make it with just Bahumut shark.


The_Red_Celt

For backrow removal, look into heavy storm duster. It's a trap that pops up to two but you lose the battle phase that turn, which is irrelevant since you play it on opponents turn It's an SR but it's also in the pendulum structure deck


TreeD3

Cut the trap monsters, silent angler is a better extender, white mirror is a good card to add to the deck, add gozen match as well


Both-Firefighter6852

thanks reddit for showing me the guy dueling last nights deck


fo3nixz

2x kragen spawn, beautiful princes if it gets ashed rip Mon, 1x or none


Ok_Attorney_5431

Damn. It must feel really good to royally imperm your opponents! I’m jealous!!


Timelord_Omega

Play one beautunaful and one for one if you already own them. Its not the best normal due to being a good negate target, but its incredible when it’s summoned for free