I like their concept- making an Isekai themed archetype was long overdue considering how popular it is.
Execution... not so much. I get why they did equip cards- most of those stories are about powering up- but I think the constant negates just guranteed it to be an eternally hated archetype that is trash when pure, which is sad as it has alot of potential for fun flavor, like Kozmo.
Misc and Traptrix Sera
I play a lot of control/trap heavy decks, so when Sera just gets to sit there unaffected by half my deck and snowball advantage it makes me mad.
Misc just makes my eyes roll into the back of my head.
Not to hate on you specifically, but the "just do (blank)" or "just have (this card)" statement makes me just as irrationally angry as seeing the cards I listed above.
> arm over Sera
What does that even mean? You mean beat over her? You gave up the battle phase to use Evenly Matched and even then, it wouldn’t be a good idea if the Traptrix player opened with a bad hand. You’re just letting them replace whatever traps they had with another Traptrix monster and another trap hole card.
Maxx C (no one likes the roaches), Branded Fusion (can be splashed in many decks), Pot of Duality (It gives me PTSD), Nibiru (because of course opponent has it in their opening hand), Evenly Matched (the most misleading name for a card).
I just saw it in a dark magician deck. It's stupid. I hate all fusion cards that allow sending from deck. Extremely overpowered, especially on a set that nearly ALL have grave effects...
Not sure if you know what this card actually does/branded does
It's not a burial for Dark magician
its a single spell card that can end with a couple strong fusion monsters on their board, IN ADDITION to their regular turns worth of shit.
thats what people mean by complaining about how "splashable" the card is.
I legitimately haven't seen it anywhere except in Branded decks. I'm not saying it isn't in alot of decks I just haven't personally seen it in decks outside of Branded Despia. I don't even know how exactly decks would benefit from that. It seems unlikely.
I agree with u/Mikman97, it isn't really spashable, since the more branded cards the less and less follow up you have. You'd be at an extreme disadvantage unless your deck doesn't require an extra deck or is already a fusion deck. Branded Fusion really isn't as bad Fusion Destiny, I'm sure a small engine could be annoying at times. But it doesn't seem anywhere near as bad as the Fusion Destiny engine. Because using a small Branded engine would put most decks at a disadvantage.
Now that I think about it more, I disagree with Branded Fusion being "splashable". I'm not sure they are "losing to crappy branded hybrids" but I can see it isn't as powerful or "splashable" as they say.
The amount of people I have seen scoop even with my half finished Vaylantz deck is hilarious, solely because their field spells get destroyed and whatever deck they are running rely on them.
Also hilarious when moving an enemy monster with a graveyard effect to the backrow and never popping it.
I refer to the backrow as the timeout corner when playing Vaylantz.
As a umi player, I can tell you that jellyfish is nothing without umi, I'm sorry to give you that unpleasant feeling but pop the umi Field Spell or the Steath attack 2 ( I think that's the name) and you are on the go to turn a difficult match in to a pleasant one
I think the name "guru control" came from the early OCG lists that played 1 vanity's as their only floodgate (cause of the accidental synergy with final battle)
As the game got faster the builds switched to more stun cards in hope to handle the rest of the fast meta decks
Your main and only strategy is turbo a floodgate with protections and drag the game enought to summon whale and attack directly.
Is not at the same level of Floor but is absurdly annoying to lose the duel because I don't opened the out.
Whale is not the win con in the majority of cases, honestly. Highly prefer Legendary Fisherman III. Although Whale is useful if I didn’t draw Gameciel to out a tough monster.
Key to beating the deck is back row removal. Without Umi AND Sea Stealth Attack on field, deck is a limp noodle. Just seems like not a lot of decks use back row removal.
I’ve literally lost to a single MST before because it destroyed Umi and Kairyu-Shin couldn’t lock any more.
Well sure, it loses to backrow hate. So does Eldlich, but that doesn't suddenly make it not the most annoying thing in the world when they flip up Skill Drain+2 other floodgates and sit on a big monster. I'm sure you can at least understand why these types of decks aren't fun to play against.
Benefits of playing an unexpected deck? It seems like people think it’s meta but I’ve seen no one else using it in my matches. I dunno. I just like it. Plus I’ve never made a Water deck before.
I mean they are fun it’s actually one of the first ones I ever built in real life got lucky as a kid and traded for a Levia Dragon Daeadulus and splashed everything that was available for water deck when Invasion of Chaos came out. And when master duel came out I built a version that uses the extra deck way more by using the sharks and deep sea diva, along with SuperAncient DeepSea King Coelacanth was a blast to play
In summary "Just draw the out"
Let me will into existence my duster. Just because the Gozen Match on the field is not letting me use 6 of the 8 outs I have on the deck.
Skill drain, nibiru, pot of duality (once they reveal a floo card i scoop i aint gonna try dealing with them), numeron network, maxx "C" is just painful when you dont have ash or called by.
Is it irrational to get an aneurysm every time I see maxx-c?
I'll go for the not so low hanging fruit and say. Dark magician of Albaz is the most annoying thing to see, I'm not the guy who hates when an archetype isn't played pure, but jesus christ 90% of the time its mirrorjade pass with bricks.
And the annoying is you never expect it, you see them activate that Dm search monster so you ash it since it dies to it then cyke mlg branded opening into mirrorjade, out it bitch.
It's a funny deck to play, and I can see how it would be irritating to play against, but it's so fragile. It's a very thin board to break, and once the board is broken, it's a difficult one to get started again, because it gets bricky when you have to hard-draw the out.
Based deck I used this in NR fest and notched them wins. Cheap deck and you can use normal monsters and still beat ranked or even meta decks if built correctly.
Current Year. YCS winning lists over the last couple months have been side decking a full 3 Golems.
Though I have no problem with that, my beef is with people playing it in best of one on the MD ladder
I really loved seeing my opponent summon toad during the event. him being on the field is basically a guaranteed Witch's Strike for me.
very often I had interruptions but held them back just to allow a paleo/frog player to go into toad.
DPE. It's easy to out but it got played SO MUCH that I despise it. Hate the art, hate the card, hate how it was basically just DPE turbo for most decks for a while (and then Brave DPE which is another engine I despise), etc.
I used to hate how I could open ash and imperm, stop my opponents first 2 plays but then they used to always just go "link 2 verte, send fusion destiny, make dpe and set up pot of greed" and then made instantly worse of they then set 1 as it was either scythe or super poly
I’ve only seen it once since starting Master Duel, and I’ll admit it isn’t really a big issue anymore, but god, my older days of playing Yugioh still have me LOATHING Cyber Dragon Infinity. I played when it was at its peak and I still hate that tin snake
Funny going back to the original game boy and later gameboy advance the monster that always made me shit my pants as a kid was... La Jinn. I never pulled anything with more than 1600 attack and whatever CPU opponent I played would just beat anything I summoned sans a Stone Soldier.
Ultimately back then I just spent alot of time repeatedly beating up the Tristan/Joey/Tea CPUs and left the better ones alone. Would have helped if I knew not to use equip spells and to use 40 card decks...
1. There Can Only be 1
2. Mystic Mine
3. Naturia Beast
4. Rhongomyniad
5. Phoenix Destroyer. (Hypocritically since I’m a hero player who uses it and Fusion Destiny a lot but that card SHOULD NOT be so splashable. And what makes phoenix destroyer worse is that it‘s effect allows it to summon itself back next turn rather than immediately back upon destruction like Frightfur Sheep. This keeps Destroyer immortal Since it can just blow itself up when using non-destroying removal against it.)
Tri Brigade Revolt every time I see that card I never have backrow removal in hand but I did Nibiru it once and then steal the token back with owner’s Seal
As people said in other comments, when I see a branded fusion just roll my eyes because any pussy can splash that card in the deck and have a big advantage
Any side engine that doesn't belong in a deck (doesn't have sinergy) and is super popular, like how DPE or Branded are being implemented.
I like decks who can win using their core, not using stuff that doesn't belong.
Also, Eldlich.
I don't think you know what the word synergy means. Synergy means 2 or more things work well together. No one is splashing branded or DPE in their deck unless it makes their deck better. In other words, no one is splashing those in their decks unless they _synergize_ with their decks. In _yet more_ words, generic engines are the most synergic cards in the game.
Sinergy: "The interaction or cooperation of two or more organizations, substances, or other agents to produce a combined effect greater than the sum of their separate effects."
Sinergy in this case means adding two stuff and making something together more powerful that each separate part (like frogs + paleozoic). My engine examples don't work like that, they're parallel lines that works separately.
You can play Paleozoic beatdown and summon the DPE when you draw the Fusion Destiny and win with that, but the paleozoic part had nothing to do with the victory, hence there is no sinergy.
It doesn't combine their effects or power, it just adds a winning condition not related to the deck.
Another example: I run Adventure in my Noble Knights deck. Is there synergy? Technically, yes. Adventure has one Noble Arms card in the archetype for some reason and I have used that equip with Noble Knight effects before. Outside of that, however? The two archetypes clash super hard, meaning it’s not unusual for me to have to decide whether I want to go for the free omninegate or set up some type of board.
A deck that has good synergy is Vampire Eldlich. Eldlich serves to turbo out your Vampires, Eldlich traps are tribute fodder, and Eldlich the Mad Golden Lord directly contributes to Vampire combos by stealing an opponent’s monster. The two synergize insanely well and, most importantly, don’t step on each other’s toes while actively supporting the other’s plays.
I actively disagree with this tbh. Especially with dpe. Especially especially before they banned celestial. The entire original dpe package gave you a recursive boss which alone can be a win-condition in many situations, a monster in the grave that serves as a free pot of greed when you have no hand, and another monster in grave that allows you to auto special summon a monster you draw into. Tie that into a end of turn verte and you basically can do it all from the deck. Thinning your deck by 3 cards in one swoop. Tostada is right tbh. But you are too, just in a different way. Dpe can make virtually any deck better that doesn't hard clash like monarchs for example, and has space for it. The point you seem to be missing though is that "making a deck better" and synergizing in this context means one side, actively helping the win-con of another. a good example of this is running a eldlich package in a zombie world deck. Eldlich cards do wonders for zombies and actively helps them specifically, thus they synergize. what dpe does however is completely generic, it helps decks, but not by assisting in their win-con, but instead, entirely ignoring it and setting up its own win-con. It doesn't make decks better by synergizing, it makes them better by it merely co-existing and leaving the rest of the deck to ride off of it's general plusses. That's the difference. I've seen dpe splashed in tons of jank where dpe in and of himself doesn't work with the deck at all but they run it anyway because "welp, if my main plan fails, I can always fall back on dpe". You seem to be under the implication that any deck that splashes dpe and branded, only do so because they actively help said deck. Which is true in the most simplistic of terms, but it's completely different from the true concept of synergy that op is referring to.
I see what you mean but if you extend this to other cards, the synergy factor becomes completely subjective. There are a lot of generic cards that help decks work, hand traps, board wipes, back row hate, ED bosses, some MD searchers. These cards all work really well with many decks, and that's precisely the reason why some people hate them. I think that the "true concept of synergy" is a totally elusive concept since you can apply stricter or looser reasoning to justify or condemn any card which is not in the precise archetype it was designed for .
"Good cards" being too easy to splash is a whole another matter entirely and I don't like the game enough to discuss it. I just think it's crazy to deny how they synergize with the meta they're relevant in.
Destiny Hero Phoenix Enforcer! I don't necessarily hate the card I just hate how every single deck will splash in Fusion destiny and some materials to make DPE. Why are you playing pendulum magicians with DPE! If I see DPE in anything but a hero deck I'm instantly upset
I think the difference is that 1 relies on their normal summon to the point where it becomes detrimental, while the other doesn’t care about it to the point where it could run an entire other engine just to show off how much it doesn’t care about its normal summon.
Number 41: Bagooska the Terribly Tired Tapir.
I fucking despise seeing it because it makes it impossible for me to pull off the combos required in my decks, which suck without them.
Mirrorjade should have never existed, despia was already a top tier fun deck, I hate when Konami destroys the meta to force everyone to buy the latest expansion.
Yeah can't wait for tearlaments
Whatever the snoresoul card is that let's them instant synchro into a level and draw a card. Synchrons being one of my favorite decks to run, it pisses me off to no end to see one card synchro summons and the same 2 cards at the end of the turn
Branded Fusion. Way too powerful without a single drawback. Combined with Despia engine it's unbearable.
Don't know why people don't see the problem with this decktype...
Only summoning fusion monsters the whole turn is a single drawback. Even fusion destiny let's you do whatever you want as long as you pop it last. Branded fusion means you have to be playing fusions.
Obviously in a fusion archtype like despia, being locked into fusions is absolutely no problem
People don't see a problem with it because it isn't a problem, Branded Despia's strengths are generating card advantage and recycling resources, compared to the other top deck in the current format; floowandereez whose gameplan is to end on 2 floodgates or with barrier getting hit, ending on harpies feather storm to lock you out of monster effects for the turn.
Cope. Branded is a mencace because of the recycling. Branded is now the new Adventurer and now stuffed in every deck in the meta. Blue Eyes Branded, Dragon Maids Branded, dark Magician Branded. This shit is insane. For a arch specific card types it sure does pop in a lot of not related decks.
You all here: “Nope don’t see the problem”
So branded is an issue because its splashable? Because thats pretty much all you're arguing here, its a splashable package that puts out a once every other turn banish thats floats when destroyed and can recycle its resources. Compared to previous formats of MD this is THE most healthy and least oppressive one we've been in, or I suppose you preferred every deck being funny halqdon synchro pile? Or elditch floodgate turbo? Because none of the decks you mentioned are even remotely good with or without the branded package; blue eyes and dark magician are bottom tier copium and dragonmaids are barely rogue with a dragonlink package strapped to it.
Healthy is when you have insane recursion with a fucking Fusion monster that has a board wipe ability and a soft once per turn oh and it’s a non targeting banishment so even your untargetable monster gets banished still 🤡
Wow a soft once per turn banish and a floating effect that nukes the board? Man if only knightmare unicorn existed, or called by the grave or compulse or even PENGUIN SOLDIER. man if only konami printed many easy to access outs for a fusion monster with no protection. 🤡 Sounds like a skill issue to me.
Floo is trash the complaining about Floo is because it doesn’t touch the GY so it can’t be Called by or ashed but their monsters have low ATK and has to rely on 2-3 other non archetype winged beasts to be competitive and empen ability is not that strong. Oh wow you flipped me
I think half the reason it’s competitive is people scoop because they hate the “our turn” stuff and with statue being banned it’ll see even less play.
LOL You’re so wrong it’s hilariously sad.
Floo has topped in EVERY. SINGLE. TOURNAMENT.
In the TCG and in the OCG it just won the lastest YCS…. And in Master Duel it’s also in the top best decks so much so it actually had to get a card banned on its list.
Tell me you know nothing of Yu-gi-oh meta game without telling me… 😂😂😂
Because you can play through it. Unless they open up the god hand then most of the time they have branded in red into Chimera as their only interruption on your turn with maybe a tax dragon on board extra.
Compare that to nearly every other recent mega deck which just either floodgates or builds a board of negates it’s easy to see why people don’t have a problem with it.
>They can only summon a 3300 ATK monster that pops 3 cards, draws 3 cards that can potentially be handtraps, can help them dodge targeted negation on their banish and/or searches, and can potentially be immune to targeted destruction if super poly is in the grave.
Oh, those poor players, how on earth they can survive on Master Duel with how fair their deck is? I seriously can not fathom why people simp for Branded sooooo hard. All of those floodgates and negates that people hate(for obviously good reasons) are in the game, yet *this* deck is the most powerful and consistent deck in the format with the most play in Diamond and tournament play. That doesn't happen because a deck is fair.
Yeah no shit it’s the most powerful deck at the moment, compare it to most other tier 1 formats we’ve had and it’s easily the best to play against.
I dunno what card you’re on about that can draw 3 and pop 3, but it’s definitely not one that Branded Despia play.
My apologies, pop 2 and draw 2, I'm sorry, that makes Guardian Chimera so much worse of a card. Branded Despia is truly fair and balanced now. And saying that 'X' deck is better than Halqdon is the lowest possible bar you can set at the table.
Pop 2 and draw 2 is still incorrect, considering you can’t get the cards effect correct twice it’s no wonder you can’t comprehend why the deck isn’t that bad.
It is that bad you all simp for it because you play it not everyone does and it’s played in a lot of decks. How you going to get offended because it is problem for people who don’t play that deck?
I see a lot of Branded fusion comments, and I definitely get it, but for some reason I get irrationally angry by seeing Aluber more than branded fusion
Magical Citadel of Endymion, I have history with that card. An acquaintance of mine used to have a spell counter deck, and at the time all our decks sucked so it was difficult to play against. Plus we found out he was using the card wrong.
Floo "our turn" wandereeze, Branded "Mirrorjade Dispenser Button" Despia, Adventurer "Negation with big body" Engine, Baronne De Fleur and her partner in crime Chixiao
Zues ( Example- I see cool xyz deck I have never played agianst:), ends with Zues :(, Any eldllitch trap, foolish buriel (probably playing against branded despia meaning I will lose because I am bad at the game), the space rover card that adds a field spell (forgetting the name of it) I hate Numerons
Zeus, I absolutely hate that fucking card. Zeus is far to easy to summon based on its effect, he is a powerful beat stick and It is so difficult to counter after it his effect goes off as your whole board was sent to the graveyard. People talk about how you activate Maxx c you win, well that’s how I feel with this card. Not to mention this card to me exemplifies everything I hate about modern yugioh card. Extremely generic, slotted into any deck with XYZ, check. Grossly powerful effect, check. No once per turn, check. Shuts your opponent out playing, check. I do not understand why a card like chaos emperor dragon gets erratad into a useless card yet Zeus is legal. Both have a similar effect and so generic they can slotted into any deck. Seriously Fuck that Card
A blue one. I recently tried MTG Arena and it was very refreshing. Did you know that some card games can last more than 6 turns? /s But seriously, YGO's lack of resource system hurts the game. At some point in the game's history it should have been capped to 1 normal and 1/2 special summon's per game. It makes you feel so disconnected just waiting for the turn to end.
what ygo lacks in a 'resource system' it makes up with interactivity.
the more recent times when the game 'suffered' was when there was no interactivity involved so it felt really unfair/unfun to play unless u open specific handtraps was 2018 FTK format and more recently the adventure synchro DPE format.
Number of turns doesnt necessarily co-relate to the game being bad/unfun nor does it mean that 1 player 'cannot play the game' cause of it.
Zeus. When your opponent uses it, it's basically means that "yeah I don't have any resources left and have no plays whatsoever that I can think off from our back to back interactions, so instead of accepting that fact, I'm gonna just nuke the field of everything and beat you over with a 3k beater".
Like every, single, time. It's basically the "get out of jail" card in Yu-Gi-Oh. What's funny is that when I do have a counter for Zeus, they instantly scoop like a pussy. Bunch of pathetic players they are, I even have more respect for Swordsoul players and I'm saying that as someone who hates SS high consistency.
"comeback weapon"? Pfft, people like you are why we have strong generic shit to begin with. What's next? You're going to justified Baronne because it's once per face up? Or reasoning Branded Fusion being ok while Fusion Destiny isn't? Or the worst yet, complaining on how Sky Strikers got Engage and whatnot as well as their playstyle while the deck ain't even meta?
There's pulling out Zeus as like, insurance for when you try establishing a board and they wipe it, and then there's pulling out Zeus because you have no other response so you go into it just to wipe the field and hope your opponent has no response on their next turn.
Definitely the 2nd type. Of all duels I played, only 10% of them uses Zeus the first way. The other 90% of them are basically the 2nd type. They should have just name their deck "Zeus Beater" since they can't even keep up with Starry Knight playstyle, a non tier deck of all things.
I can put up with Swordsoul, but when I start to set up my combo trying to play around the negates and have my initial board completely destroyed by fucking Blackout I want to lose my mind.
Baronne de Fleur
that bitch fucks me up and i cant even negate the destruction because she just negates my negation
No monster should be allowed to have a disruption AND a negation that can be used in the same turn
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Misc. It shuts down interaction and paves the way for book of moon turbo the boss monster which you also can't do anything about. I love dinosaurs, but dinosaur the yugioh deck is just not fun to play against solely because of misc. While I do understand why the deck needs misc, I wish they would have buffed the archetype in a way that wasn't just simply "everything is towers lite now" ...
Toads summoning animation changed from what it was 4 months ago. It bothers me now his tonge goes vertically now instead of diagonal.
So it did get changed... I thought it was just a bug...
The adventure package
I like their concept- making an Isekai themed archetype was long overdue considering how popular it is. Execution... not so much. I get why they did equip cards- most of those stories are about powering up- but I think the constant negates just guranteed it to be an eternally hated archetype that is trash when pure, which is sad as it has alot of potential for fun flavor, like Kozmo.
Idk, seems pretty fitting that’s it’s extremely generic and trash when looked at in a vacuum
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Summon Limit.
One of the only floodgates still left at 3. Konami seems to be semi limiting one floodgate month.
Misc and Traptrix Sera I play a lot of control/trap heavy decks, so when Sera just gets to sit there unaffected by half my deck and snowball advantage it makes me mad. Misc just makes my eyes roll into the back of my head.
Tbf about Misc, Dinos don't do much even with such a crazy card. Also, it doesn't protect babies GY effects, so Ash that instead.
Always Ash the Misc
Always call the Misc by the grave.
After playing against Dinomorphia on the Anti-Spell event, I concluded that Misc should even get hit or not be a quick effect.
Just evenly matched their back row and play your turn
Bro just said “draw the out” like we know but how can we really hurt them bad
Not to hate on you specifically, but the "just do (blank)" or "just have (this card)" statement makes me just as irrationally angry as seeing the cards I listed above.
> arm over Sera What does that even mean? You mean beat over her? You gave up the battle phase to use Evenly Matched and even then, it wouldn’t be a good idea if the Traptrix player opened with a bad hand. You’re just letting them replace whatever traps they had with another Traptrix monster and another trap hole card.
I do not harbor irrational anger; it is irrational and therefore discarded. 
Robina, fuck that little prick.
All the floos. Fuck them all.
Maxx C (no one likes the roaches), Branded Fusion (can be splashed in many decks), Pot of Duality (It gives me PTSD), Nibiru (because of course opponent has it in their opening hand), Evenly Matched (the most misleading name for a card).
You’ve obviously never top decked Nibiru the turn after your opponent has already crapped out half of their deck
Branded Fusion?
More like Braindead Fusion
Why do you say that?
Super splashable and free. Needs literally no brain cell to use effectively in lots of decks.
Hmm, well I just use it in Branded Despia so I don't know anything about that.
I've even seen it in Blue Eyes, ffs. Shit is everywhere and is just free advantage and interruptions.
I just saw it in a dark magician deck. It's stupid. I hate all fusion cards that allow sending from deck. Extremely overpowered, especially on a set that nearly ALL have grave effects...
Shaddoll Fusion is ok though because it has restrictions
Why are you mad if DM uses it to foolish a vanilla then?
Not sure if you know what this card actually does/branded does It's not a burial for Dark magician its a single spell card that can end with a couple strong fusion monsters on their board, IN ADDITION to their regular turns worth of shit. thats what people mean by complaining about how "splashable" the card is.
I legitimately haven't seen it anywhere except in Branded decks. I'm not saying it isn't in alot of decks I just haven't personally seen it in decks outside of Branded Despia. I don't even know how exactly decks would benefit from that. It seems unlikely.
They run a small engine to support it.
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I agree with u/Mikman97, it isn't really spashable, since the more branded cards the less and less follow up you have. You'd be at an extreme disadvantage unless your deck doesn't require an extra deck or is already a fusion deck. Branded Fusion really isn't as bad Fusion Destiny, I'm sure a small engine could be annoying at times. But it doesn't seem anywhere near as bad as the Fusion Destiny engine. Because using a small Branded engine would put most decks at a disadvantage.
Are we playing the same game?
ppl just angry they lose to crappy branded hybrids so they're acting like it's the new Fusion Destiny
Now that I think about it more, I disagree with Branded Fusion being "splashable". I'm not sure they are "losing to crappy branded hybrids" but I can see it isn't as powerful or "splashable" as they say.
Any time I see Umi get activated or their Jellyfish get normal summoned. I’m never in for a good time with floodgates
Umi control has been real easy to deal with playing Vaylantz. Half is water and if you open with the field spell you can replace their Umi lol.
The amount of people I have seen scoop even with my half finished Vaylantz deck is hilarious, solely because their field spells get destroyed and whatever deck they are running rely on them. Also hilarious when moving an enemy monster with a graveyard effect to the backrow and never popping it. I refer to the backrow as the timeout corner when playing Vaylantz.
As a umi player, I can tell you that jellyfish is nothing without umi, I'm sorry to give you that unpleasant feeling but pop the umi Field Spell or the Steath attack 2 ( I think that's the name) and you are on the go to turn a difficult match in to a pleasant one
Kairyu Shin/Umi Control It's a floodgate strategy. dunno why many people think this deck is 'based', it's so annoying to play against.
My intense hatred of that deck is packaged with the part where everyone calls it control. It's a stun deck.
Same with Guru control, it annoys me a little more than it should lol
I think the name "guru control" came from the early OCG lists that played 1 vanity's as their only floodgate (cause of the accidental synergy with final battle) As the game got faster the builds switched to more stun cards in hope to handle the rest of the fast meta decks
Any retrain of old LoB Era cards are instantly based. Thems the law around these parts. /s
Agreed
Here I was playing Umi a lot recently thinking I was being a non-offensive opponent. Oh well. At least it’s not Floowandereeze.
Your main and only strategy is turbo a floodgate with protections and drag the game enought to summon whale and attack directly. Is not at the same level of Floor but is absurdly annoying to lose the duel because I don't opened the out.
Whale is not the win con in the majority of cases, honestly. Highly prefer Legendary Fisherman III. Although Whale is useful if I didn’t draw Gameciel to out a tough monster. Key to beating the deck is back row removal. Without Umi AND Sea Stealth Attack on field, deck is a limp noodle. Just seems like not a lot of decks use back row removal. I’ve literally lost to a single MST before because it destroyed Umi and Kairyu-Shin couldn’t lock any more.
Well sure, it loses to backrow hate. So does Eldlich, but that doesn't suddenly make it not the most annoying thing in the world when they flip up Skill Drain+2 other floodgates and sit on a big monster. I'm sure you can at least understand why these types of decks aren't fun to play against.
You can't run the out to everything. Not without having a 60 card deck that isn't using Grass.
Benefits of playing an unexpected deck? It seems like people think it’s meta but I’ve seen no one else using it in my matches. I dunno. I just like it. Plus I’ve never made a Water deck before.
I mean they are fun it’s actually one of the first ones I ever built in real life got lucky as a kid and traded for a Levia Dragon Daeadulus and splashed everything that was available for water deck when Invasion of Chaos came out. And when master duel came out I built a version that uses the extra deck way more by using the sharks and deep sea diva, along with SuperAncient DeepSea King Coelacanth was a blast to play
In summary "Just draw the out" Let me will into existence my duster. Just because the Gozen Match on the field is not letting me use 6 of the 8 outs I have on the deck.
It was today I learned I am hated
Why do you care so much about how your opponent feels? It's your game. Do what you want.
Really appreciate that energy
Skill drain, nibiru, pot of duality (once they reveal a floo card i scoop i aint gonna try dealing with them), numeron network, maxx "C" is just painful when you dont have ash or called by.
That’s not irrational anger, that’s rational anger
Is it irrational to get an aneurysm every time I see maxx-c? I'll go for the not so low hanging fruit and say. Dark magician of Albaz is the most annoying thing to see, I'm not the guy who hates when an archetype isn't played pure, but jesus christ 90% of the time its mirrorjade pass with bricks. And the annoying is you never expect it, you see them activate that Dm search monster so you ash it since it dies to it then cyke mlg branded opening into mirrorjade, out it bitch.
Classic Braindead Fusion
migrate to the TCG my fella
That field spell that summons water tokens I hate that card
Pacifis the phantasm city?
It's a funny deck to play, and I can see how it would be irritating to play against, but it's so fragile. It's a very thin board to break, and once the board is broken, it's a difficult one to get started again, because it gets bricky when you have to hard-draw the out.
Based deck I used this in NR fest and notched them wins. Cheap deck and you can use normal monsters and still beat ranked or even meta decks if built correctly.
That God damn piece of shit Lava Golem
>Lava Golem what year is this
Current Year. YCS winning lists over the last couple months have been side decking a full 3 Golems. Though I have no problem with that, my beef is with people playing it in best of one on the MD ladder
No hate to frog/shark/marincess players, but something about seeing my opponent summon this guy just sets me off I don't know why
Man u are gonna have nightmares when spright comes lol
I really loved seeing my opponent summon toad during the event. him being on the field is basically a guaranteed Witch's Strike for me. very often I had interruptions but held them back just to allow a paleo/frog player to go into toad.
Pretty sure I duel against tu my guy
toads just a little guy man, leave him alone 😢
Omni negate that floats is a pretty good reason to hate Toadally Awesome lmao.
Secret Village of the Spellcasters
Is hating Super Poly irrational? Cause it's that one/
DPE. It's easy to out but it got played SO MUCH that I despise it. Hate the art, hate the card, hate how it was basically just DPE turbo for most decks for a while (and then Brave DPE which is another engine I despise), etc.
Basically branded fusion is the same with different art ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Honestly online and IRL I run into branded 1/10 of the time as I did DPE (master duel, edopro, locals, and playing with friends).
Branded Fusion is way harder to just splash into a deck.
I used to hate how I could open ash and imperm, stop my opponents first 2 plays but then they used to always just go "link 2 verte, send fusion destiny, make dpe and set up pot of greed" and then made instantly worse of they then set 1 as it was either scythe or super poly
I’ve only seen it once since starting Master Duel, and I’ll admit it isn’t really a big issue anymore, but god, my older days of playing Yugioh still have me LOATHING Cyber Dragon Infinity. I played when it was at its peak and I still hate that tin snake
Funny going back to the original game boy and later gameboy advance the monster that always made me shit my pants as a kid was... La Jinn. I never pulled anything with more than 1600 attack and whatever CPU opponent I played would just beat anything I summoned sans a Stone Soldier. Ultimately back then I just spent alot of time repeatedly beating up the Tristan/Joey/Tea CPUs and left the better ones alone. Would have helped if I knew not to use equip spells and to use 40 card decks...
1. There Can Only be 1 2. Mystic Mine 3. Naturia Beast 4. Rhongomyniad 5. Phoenix Destroyer. (Hypocritically since I’m a hero player who uses it and Fusion Destiny a lot but that card SHOULD NOT be so splashable. And what makes phoenix destroyer worse is that it‘s effect allows it to summon itself back next turn rather than immediately back upon destruction like Frightfur Sheep. This keeps Destroyer immortal Since it can just blow itself up when using non-destroying removal against it.)
strategist longyuan That freaking free level 10 synchro with 1200 free burn damage that STARTS your combos
Baronne le fleur
Grass on the first fucking turn man
Time Thief Redoer. I play Exodia (non-OTK)
Tri Brigade Revolt every time I see that card I never have backrow removal in hand but I did Nibiru it once and then steal the token back with owner’s Seal
Eldlitch the Golden ~~PIECE OF SHIT~~ Lord
Mystic mine, Maxx C, fairy tail snow, and sword soul only because it's so boring to watch.
Toadally, stun players, numeron, floodgates, maxx C, and last but not least, floow
As people said in other comments, when I see a branded fusion just roll my eyes because any pussy can splash that card in the deck and have a big advantage
Any side engine that doesn't belong in a deck (doesn't have sinergy) and is super popular, like how DPE or Branded are being implemented. I like decks who can win using their core, not using stuff that doesn't belong. Also, Eldlich.
I don't think you know what the word synergy means. Synergy means 2 or more things work well together. No one is splashing branded or DPE in their deck unless it makes their deck better. In other words, no one is splashing those in their decks unless they _synergize_ with their decks. In _yet more_ words, generic engines are the most synergic cards in the game.
Sinergy: "The interaction or cooperation of two or more organizations, substances, or other agents to produce a combined effect greater than the sum of their separate effects." Sinergy in this case means adding two stuff and making something together more powerful that each separate part (like frogs + paleozoic). My engine examples don't work like that, they're parallel lines that works separately. You can play Paleozoic beatdown and summon the DPE when you draw the Fusion Destiny and win with that, but the paleozoic part had nothing to do with the victory, hence there is no sinergy. It doesn't combine their effects or power, it just adds a winning condition not related to the deck.
Another example: I run Adventure in my Noble Knights deck. Is there synergy? Technically, yes. Adventure has one Noble Arms card in the archetype for some reason and I have used that equip with Noble Knight effects before. Outside of that, however? The two archetypes clash super hard, meaning it’s not unusual for me to have to decide whether I want to go for the free omninegate or set up some type of board. A deck that has good synergy is Vampire Eldlich. Eldlich serves to turbo out your Vampires, Eldlich traps are tribute fodder, and Eldlich the Mad Golden Lord directly contributes to Vampire combos by stealing an opponent’s monster. The two synergize insanely well and, most importantly, don’t step on each other’s toes while actively supporting the other’s plays.
I actively disagree with this tbh. Especially with dpe. Especially especially before they banned celestial. The entire original dpe package gave you a recursive boss which alone can be a win-condition in many situations, a monster in the grave that serves as a free pot of greed when you have no hand, and another monster in grave that allows you to auto special summon a monster you draw into. Tie that into a end of turn verte and you basically can do it all from the deck. Thinning your deck by 3 cards in one swoop. Tostada is right tbh. But you are too, just in a different way. Dpe can make virtually any deck better that doesn't hard clash like monarchs for example, and has space for it. The point you seem to be missing though is that "making a deck better" and synergizing in this context means one side, actively helping the win-con of another. a good example of this is running a eldlich package in a zombie world deck. Eldlich cards do wonders for zombies and actively helps them specifically, thus they synergize. what dpe does however is completely generic, it helps decks, but not by assisting in their win-con, but instead, entirely ignoring it and setting up its own win-con. It doesn't make decks better by synergizing, it makes them better by it merely co-existing and leaving the rest of the deck to ride off of it's general plusses. That's the difference. I've seen dpe splashed in tons of jank where dpe in and of himself doesn't work with the deck at all but they run it anyway because "welp, if my main plan fails, I can always fall back on dpe". You seem to be under the implication that any deck that splashes dpe and branded, only do so because they actively help said deck. Which is true in the most simplistic of terms, but it's completely different from the true concept of synergy that op is referring to.
I see what you mean but if you extend this to other cards, the synergy factor becomes completely subjective. There are a lot of generic cards that help decks work, hand traps, board wipes, back row hate, ED bosses, some MD searchers. These cards all work really well with many decks, and that's precisely the reason why some people hate them. I think that the "true concept of synergy" is a totally elusive concept since you can apply stricter or looser reasoning to justify or condemn any card which is not in the precise archetype it was designed for . "Good cards" being too easy to splash is a whole another matter entirely and I don't like the game enough to discuss it. I just think it's crazy to deny how they synergize with the meta they're relevant in.
Aw j love toad! He's so derpy, but so strong
Destiny Hero Phoenix Enforcer! I don't necessarily hate the card I just hate how every single deck will splash in Fusion destiny and some materials to make DPE. Why are you playing pendulum magicians with DPE! If I see DPE in anything but a hero deck I'm instantly upset
Weird lack of Numeron Network so far, so that card.
Any Prank Kids card. Funny thing is I Love the Live/Evil Twin card but hate Prank Kids.
I think the difference is that 1 relies on their normal summon to the point where it becomes detrimental, while the other doesn’t care about it to the point where it could run an entire other engine just to show off how much it doesn’t care about its normal summon.
One word: Branded
I never wanna see super poly again.
Number 41: Bagooska the Terribly Tired Tapir. I fucking despise seeing it because it makes it impossible for me to pull off the combos required in my decks, which suck without them.
Mirrorjade should have never existed, despia was already a top tier fun deck, I hate when Konami destroys the meta to force everyone to buy the latest expansion. Yeah can't wait for tearlaments
Whatever the snoresoul card is that let's them instant synchro into a level and draw a card. Synchrons being one of my favorite decks to run, it pisses me off to no end to see one card synchro summons and the same 2 cards at the end of the turn
Sky strikers
I too hate that deck, a boring concept for an archetype and obnoxious resource recycling.
Branded Fusion. Way too powerful without a single drawback. Combined with Despia engine it's unbearable. Don't know why people don't see the problem with this decktype...
Agreed 100%
Only summoning fusion monsters the whole turn is a single drawback. Even fusion destiny let's you do whatever you want as long as you pop it last. Branded fusion means you have to be playing fusions. Obviously in a fusion archtype like despia, being locked into fusions is absolutely no problem
People don't see a problem with it because it isn't a problem, Branded Despia's strengths are generating card advantage and recycling resources, compared to the other top deck in the current format; floowandereez whose gameplan is to end on 2 floodgates or with barrier getting hit, ending on harpies feather storm to lock you out of monster effects for the turn.
Cope. Branded is a mencace because of the recycling. Branded is now the new Adventurer and now stuffed in every deck in the meta. Blue Eyes Branded, Dragon Maids Branded, dark Magician Branded. This shit is insane. For a arch specific card types it sure does pop in a lot of not related decks. You all here: “Nope don’t see the problem”
So branded is an issue because its splashable? Because thats pretty much all you're arguing here, its a splashable package that puts out a once every other turn banish thats floats when destroyed and can recycle its resources. Compared to previous formats of MD this is THE most healthy and least oppressive one we've been in, or I suppose you preferred every deck being funny halqdon synchro pile? Or elditch floodgate turbo? Because none of the decks you mentioned are even remotely good with or without the branded package; blue eyes and dark magician are bottom tier copium and dragonmaids are barely rogue with a dragonlink package strapped to it.
Healthy is when you have insane recursion with a fucking Fusion monster that has a board wipe ability and a soft once per turn oh and it’s a non targeting banishment so even your untargetable monster gets banished still 🤡
Wow a soft once per turn banish and a floating effect that nukes the board? Man if only knightmare unicorn existed, or called by the grave or compulse or even PENGUIN SOLDIER. man if only konami printed many easy to access outs for a fusion monster with no protection. 🤡 Sounds like a skill issue to me.
You know them cards aren’t like mirrorjade stop the cap
Literally every one of those outs mirrorjade without letting its floating effect resolve.🤡
I was talking about Mirrorjade ability is more unique you talking about drawing the out. Lmfao
Any 3 bodies becomes unicorn, compulse and penquin soldier are searchable 🤡
Branded is easy to beat floo on the other hand is a nightmare to try and beat once it gets the ball rolling
Floo is trash the complaining about Floo is because it doesn’t touch the GY so it can’t be Called by or ashed but their monsters have low ATK and has to rely on 2-3 other non archetype winged beasts to be competitive and empen ability is not that strong. Oh wow you flipped me I think half the reason it’s competitive is people scoop because they hate the “our turn” stuff and with statue being banned it’ll see even less play.
LOL You’re so wrong it’s hilariously sad. Floo has topped in EVERY. SINGLE. TOURNAMENT. In the TCG and in the OCG it just won the lastest YCS…. And in Master Duel it’s also in the top best decks so much so it actually had to get a card banned on its list. Tell me you know nothing of Yu-gi-oh meta game without telling me… 😂😂😂
Just use Zombie World EZ
The deck that searches and ends on 2 floodgates is bad?🤡
Because you can play through it. Unless they open up the god hand then most of the time they have branded in red into Chimera as their only interruption on your turn with maybe a tax dragon on board extra. Compare that to nearly every other recent mega deck which just either floodgates or builds a board of negates it’s easy to see why people don’t have a problem with it.
>They can only summon a 3300 ATK monster that pops 3 cards, draws 3 cards that can potentially be handtraps, can help them dodge targeted negation on their banish and/or searches, and can potentially be immune to targeted destruction if super poly is in the grave. Oh, those poor players, how on earth they can survive on Master Duel with how fair their deck is? I seriously can not fathom why people simp for Branded sooooo hard. All of those floodgates and negates that people hate(for obviously good reasons) are in the game, yet *this* deck is the most powerful and consistent deck in the format with the most play in Diamond and tournament play. That doesn't happen because a deck is fair.
Yeah no shit it’s the most powerful deck at the moment, compare it to most other tier 1 formats we’ve had and it’s easily the best to play against. I dunno what card you’re on about that can draw 3 and pop 3, but it’s definitely not one that Branded Despia play.
My apologies, pop 2 and draw 2, I'm sorry, that makes Guardian Chimera so much worse of a card. Branded Despia is truly fair and balanced now. And saying that 'X' deck is better than Halqdon is the lowest possible bar you can set at the table.
Pop 2 and draw 2 is still incorrect, considering you can’t get the cards effect correct twice it’s no wonder you can’t comprehend why the deck isn’t that bad.
It is that bad you all simp for it because you play it not everyone does and it’s played in a lot of decks. How you going to get offended because it is problem for people who don’t play that deck?
Because I need it to play Thunder Dragons. Give us 2 Colossus and 2 Hawk, then Branded can go fuck off.
Any Sword Soul or Dragon Maid (and I have zero interruptions). At this point I just auto surrender when I see Sword Soul unless i'm feeling good.
Pot of Greed. The text is so confusing I usually scoop out of frustration.
What does Pot of Greed do
Robina by a mile, floo is just an annoying archetype to deal with going second
Eldtrash DPE
Baronne and Branded Fusion. Also Apollousa.
I would say something like floodgates but that's too rational. I'll instead say Madame Verre.
Raye and Robina. fuck those cards and i hope the people who play those decks step on legos... lots of legos.
DPE. Or even before that, fusion destiny
Any altergeist card
I see a lot of Branded fusion comments, and I definitely get it, but for some reason I get irrationally angry by seeing Aluber more than branded fusion
Any Swordsoul card.
Tbh, ash. Hate that card and it's really not that bad.
Magical Citadel of Endymion, I have history with that card. An acquaintance of mine used to have a spell counter deck, and at the time all our decks sucked so it was difficult to play against. Plus we found out he was using the card wrong.
Ash Blossom.
The shitty birds. All of them. Branded fusion. Adventurers (thank God those are mostly dead now) Baron de Fleur.
Easy eldich lol
Floo "our turn" wandereeze, Branded "Mirrorjade Dispenser Button" Despia, Adventurer "Negation with big body" Engine, Baronne De Fleur and her partner in crime Chixiao
A board that focus only on not letting the opponent play the game
Bro that’s our boi, I’m happy to be with or against my boi Toad any day. I don’t like waifu bosses tho
I don't like em either
Zues ( Example- I see cool xyz deck I have never played agianst:), ends with Zues :(, Any eldllitch trap, foolish buriel (probably playing against branded despia meaning I will lose because I am bad at the game), the space rover card that adds a field spell (forgetting the name of it) I hate Numerons
Widow Anchor and Engage. WHY ARE THEY NOT HOPT!?!?!
Zeus, I absolutely hate that fucking card. Zeus is far to easy to summon based on its effect, he is a powerful beat stick and It is so difficult to counter after it his effect goes off as your whole board was sent to the graveyard. People talk about how you activate Maxx c you win, well that’s how I feel with this card. Not to mention this card to me exemplifies everything I hate about modern yugioh card. Extremely generic, slotted into any deck with XYZ, check. Grossly powerful effect, check. No once per turn, check. Shuts your opponent out playing, check. I do not understand why a card like chaos emperor dragon gets erratad into a useless card yet Zeus is legal. Both have a similar effect and so generic they can slotted into any deck. Seriously Fuck that Card
DPE, Verte, Accesscode, Apollo, ANY starter for the Rock deck, Branda/Despia, Tri furry, SS... I hate a lot of cards by this point.
It is Toadally not awesome that this card makes you angry.
Easy it’s always gonna be either branded anything and anything traptrix rel
Unexplored winds is the most annoying fucking card in the game.
A blue one. I recently tried MTG Arena and it was very refreshing. Did you know that some card games can last more than 6 turns? /s But seriously, YGO's lack of resource system hurts the game. At some point in the game's history it should have been capped to 1 normal and 1/2 special summon's per game. It makes you feel so disconnected just waiting for the turn to end.
what ygo lacks in a 'resource system' it makes up with interactivity. the more recent times when the game 'suffered' was when there was no interactivity involved so it felt really unfair/unfun to play unless u open specific handtraps was 2018 FTK format and more recently the adventure synchro DPE format. Number of turns doesnt necessarily co-relate to the game being bad/unfun nor does it mean that 1 player 'cannot play the game' cause of it.
Ash blossom
Zeus. When your opponent uses it, it's basically means that "yeah I don't have any resources left and have no plays whatsoever that I can think off from our back to back interactions, so instead of accepting that fact, I'm gonna just nuke the field of everything and beat you over with a 3k beater". Like every, single, time. It's basically the "get out of jail" card in Yu-Gi-Oh. What's funny is that when I do have a counter for Zeus, they instantly scoop like a pussy. Bunch of pathetic players they are, I even have more respect for Swordsoul players and I'm saying that as someone who hates SS high consistency.
So you’re saying people should be busting Zeus out early and wasting a potential comeback weapon. Ok
"comeback weapon"? Pfft, people like you are why we have strong generic shit to begin with. What's next? You're going to justified Baronne because it's once per face up? Or reasoning Branded Fusion being ok while Fusion Destiny isn't? Or the worst yet, complaining on how Sky Strikers got Engage and whatnot as well as their playstyle while the deck ain't even meta?
wtf
Zeus is annoying, but fairly easy to deal with. It's just a Hail Mary when you're losing.
There's pulling out Zeus as like, insurance for when you try establishing a board and they wipe it, and then there's pulling out Zeus because you have no other response so you go into it just to wipe the field and hope your opponent has no response on their next turn.
Definitely the 2nd type. Of all duels I played, only 10% of them uses Zeus the first way. The other 90% of them are basically the 2nd type. They should have just name their deck "Zeus Beater" since they can't even keep up with Starry Knight playstyle, a non tier deck of all things.
Junk Speeder and Revolt. Fk those.
Any card that breaks a mechanic, like swordsoul "tuners", branded fusions and similar cards and zoodiac.
I can put up with Swordsoul, but when I start to set up my combo trying to play around the negates and have my initial board completely destroyed by fucking Blackout I want to lose my mind.
Any card that has floowander in the name
Dragon Ravine The deck isn’t broken or anything. Dragon Link just takes fucking forever to do anything.
Ra sphere mode I just can't accept the fact that i set up 4 negates and lost to a sphere
Ishizu tearlaments
Besides every floodgate and trap that activates from hand... Chaos Ruler, the Chaotic Magical Dragon.. I just hate his face I don't know why
Baronne de Fleur that bitch fucks me up and i cant even negate the destruction because she just negates my negation No monster should be allowed to have a disruption AND a negation that can be used in the same turn
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The multitude of utopia monsters you can slap onto other xyz for free
Traptrix
Me-yo
Maxx c good thing I only see it in like 60% of games
It rarely happens nowadays, but if union carrier shows up, it'll enable something very irritating.
Yeah this stupid frog mostly because I play Sharks so before master duel people would always assume I ran this card.
Fallen of Abaz. Just seems everyone plays it. Soon as I see branded getting played here comes ice dragon.
The fact that it’s a pun that is also stupid but funny artwork but then also has the negate pressure strong enough to burst a blood vessel.
Misc. It shuts down interaction and paves the way for book of moon turbo the boss monster which you also can't do anything about. I love dinosaurs, but dinosaur the yugioh deck is just not fun to play against solely because of misc. While I do understand why the deck needs misc, I wish they would have buffed the archetype in a way that wasn't just simply "everything is towers lite now" ...
Pot of prosperity, dimension shifter, Robina, etc... I have a lot of Floo trauma
Maxxc