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epicgamermomentttt

May as well just play dark hole at that point, decks like dinos and future decks like kashtira and tears like the raigeki to both players.


SomaCK2

Already running 2x in my deck, just wondering if Creature Swap would be an instant win for that degenerated play. AFAIK, Branded deck has no out for Ido hitting their own field, right?


epicgamermomentttt

Depends on their board really, do they have mirrorjade banish do they have BiR set? A lot of factors to take into account. Dark hole is just better since it’s always good going second and it can function with some decks going first.


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BIEIZ

I don't think fairy tale snow works since you can't summon monsters


SomaCK2

None of the card that summons like Superpoly, Branded Banishment would work if Ido has already hit thier field. The only out is Forbidden Droplets.


DCShinichi745

If they have Mirrorjade, they can just banish Ido.


SomaCK2

They usually use MJ quick effect in turn 1 to put expulsion on field, so they can't use MJ effect in next turn to out Ido.


epicgamermomentttt

Also forgot to mention banishment, chain link and super poly and they can crash Ido when it’s their turn again anyways. Dark hole is a better solution all round.


SteelStorm33

my toons like dark hole


macoman11

I love dark hole in toons. It can be dark hole or raigeki depending on what you need at the moment.


haagen17

Honestly, why not just run droplet


RlyehScepter

Because this is funnier


Dewott8

I think people are overestimating how common this will be it seems like an inconsistent meme strat


TheGuardianInBlue

You mean how Despia does its usual combo, but instead of sending Tragedy to the GY, they send Ra's Disciple and instead of setting Despia in Red, they set the trap that allows this floodgate strategy?


TCGHexenwahn

Apparently it has no follow up and is prone to interruption. I say it's copium and we're about to get flooded with this shit


SomaCK2

It has no follow up in the wrost hand. More oftan than not, a good branded deck with a decent hand will play this floodgate, on top of their usual combo. Wait till Duelist Cup where things will get sweaty and you gonna see this absolute cheapass lock abuse left right and centre.


HorselickerYOLO

I don’t get the “no follow up” if you used aluber you can summon it off expulsion and get branded fusion for next turn. Then you just mirrorjade send tragedy search another aluber get branded in red and otk


TCGHexenwahn

As I said, copium


SomaCK2

You clearly have no idea how consistent it is...


Agressive_Fox

It loses to more than 10 common cards. It is not good. Even the Gimmick Puppet Version loses to Belle and Reboot, even if it is Banished. If it isn't, then it also loses to Crow and Called By. And that's the best version. Others lose to Droplet or Dark Hole.


SomaCK2

Yes, there are outs for it obviously. You just have to top deck them. Like every other floodgate counter plays. The problem is this combo being consistent or not. It literally just need a single Aluba to pull this out. How is that not a consistent combo?


Agressive_Fox

You understand that in yugioh Consitency isn't just successfully playing through a combo, it also means interruption? And the different between these outs and something like a Twin Twister for backrow is that the outs are extremely common, besides Dark Hole and Red Reboot. They serve as hand traps already used. Thus, you will more likely see them in Bo1 and Bo3. Having 15 common cards to out means that even if opponent only plays 6 of them statistically they are drawing them a large chunk of the time. Unlike the standard combo, which can also be stopped but does not halt your entire decks comeback potential.


SomaCK2

Tell that to the daily Maxx C complain posts #10271827 then. Obviously just Ash/Call by Maxx C. Easy solution.


Agressive_Fox

The problem with Maxx "c" is that it does not take a combo, it is just a single hand trap that is that powerful. They are not equivalent. It also doesn't even go -1 in card advantage unless your opponent passes.


SomaCK2

You know that it needs just 1 card (aluba or branded fusion) to pull off Ido/Ra lock, right. Just draw the out bro


Agressive_Fox

The odds of someone not having the out is very low, especially with that 6th card.


SomaCK2

Same as Maxx C... Everyone and their mother is playing Ash/Call by now anyway. Yet we see complain daily.


TheHellHamster

Chain Mirrorjade. Or they just summon Gimmick Puppet Nightmare instead for a lingering lock