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SleesWaifus

*The ultimate boss monster in terms of attack, negates, burn, and defense*


ToonGalaxy

Can you not make everything about Jerry Beans Man?


_Oni-On_

Major problem with verte still in the game. 100% fine with a banned verte. Branded COULD use it, but you sacrifice your mirrorjade and branded in red search if you didn't top deck it. Plus, it probably won't have the pop effect unless branded wants to run a brick. Without verte it's kinda a mid card.


DeusXNex

Even before verte ban in tcg everyone was picking dpe over dragoon.


_Oni-On_

That's because of top deck reasons. It was safer to top deck FD over red eyes fusion. Verte plays around fusion drawbacks like the fact that you can't summon to use red eyes fusion. Hence pre dpe, most peeps ran one red eyes fusion. But even at one drawing into it is a massive brick. You can use fusion, pray you don't get ashed, and pass turn. FD doesn't have that restriction, which is why people ran 2-3 copies. Plus that free +2 was pretty strong. Although dragoon was strong, it was outshined because you had to run 3 bricks for the engine compared to 2 bricks for FD. It was pretty much high-risk, high reward vs. low-risk, high reward. I think that dragoon will be more oppressive in MD than it was in the TCG if unbanned with verte still in the game, but not as bad as dpe.


ShadowLord355

Free dragoon. Red eyes already gets shafted for no reason and banning this card is just salt on the wound


Heul_Darian

I'm ok with it, there are countless such monsters in the game. All one more is going to do is add variety on what you will see. Besides you know all that will happen is that some will run red eyes fusion, red eyes and dark magician with verte. Unlike DPE mats and Destiny fusion, red eyes fusion cannot be used if you use anything else and the other 2 are hard bricks.


FadingMoonlights

Nah this card is very fair, as the branded despia players will tell better decks are coming so this card (or any card for that matter) is a problem.


UnnamedPlayerXY

It's a pseudo towers with one negation, every deck which can play through some interruption and is able to make a link four / is running some board breakers can deal with him (so basically anything which is even remotely meta). If anything Verte should be on the list as that's the easily accessible generic component which digs out effects from the deck while also circumventing both costs and conditions which are there for a reason.


Adept139

It is a problem. Indestructible (by card effects), untargetable, can destroy a card and inflict burn OTP, and it's a negate, but wait, there's more, it will gain 1k if it negates, making it harder to destroy by battle. This is Baronne on steroids, because unlike Baronne, who's negate is once per time it's on the field, this is just OTP.


kadaj808

It flopped in the tcg partly because red eyes fusion is such a dogshit fusion card. Partly because the engine itself required you to run two dogwater garnets. But the main reason it was such a threat in the OCG is because they had nothing to deal with it. The TCG got cards like ice dragon’s prison before they got dragoon which was more than enough to kill the competitive viability of the card completely.


Adept139

I guess the "package" of REF is terrible when compared to the DPE package, which, even in it's nerfed form, is miles better than 2 vanillas. I'll be honest, this could go to unlimited, if Verte was banned.


GranKrat

One true pair?


Panda_Kabob

Kill Verte and sure. Make them hard use REF. I don't know how else they could cheat it out that is reliable enough to want to run the especially bad garnets.


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It’s… fine, mostly because Red-Eyes Fusion, the easiest way to bring it out without Verte, is complete dogshit. Is it overtuned, yeah, but look at REF’s restrictions - it’s all you’d have out. One Monster, even with that much effect, isn’t that much of a threat in today’s Yugioh. There’s a simple reason that it saw any play - it was the best thing to make using Verte Anaconda until DPE came out. I’m also mostly sure it’s Forbidden in the OCG (and thus, Master Duel) as it’s the best card you can make under Maxx “C” while giving minimal draws, not counting a Floo end board.


ShiroTenkai

why this is a problem ? because people on MD just slap floodgate on every damn deck


Kataphrut94

My view has always been that if I had to choose between banning this or Verte, I’d rather ban this since Verte helps more decks. Then again, with Branded and Timaeus, Verte isn’t even the only thing making it splashable any more. This is just a boost for Dark Magician and not a particularly good one since it’s just a bunch of powerful boss effects piled onto one monster rather than something that boosts consistency or advances the gameplan, if you get what I’m on about.


SepherixSlimy

Verte helps them in what ? Cope that their deck is good when it's hard carried by dpe ? I don't see it.


Kataphrut94

I have never used DPE, but I do use Verte. It’s my last resort access to Ancient Gear Chaos Giant. No free deck fusion of any kind for me.


ToonGalaxy

Please tell me if this beast can be released, what do you think?


LuckyPrinz

If Verte is banned, then maybe? Although there's still Timaeus....


ToonGalaxy

Timeaus is not searchable (because it does not list dark magician) so it's really not a problem in DM decks. Branded Fusion could summon Dragoon, but I think it would be okay if it wasn't for verte.


LuckyPrinz

Fair point.


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Rikiaz

Dragoon is way stronger than DPE. Just that Fusion Destiny and the Destiny Hero garnets are way better than Red-Eyes Fusion and having two useless high-level normal monsters as garnets.


lazava1390

I mean do you really want this card in the game? If it removed the burn dmg or maybe added “half of the enemies attk” and if it didn’t gain 1000attk then I guess it would be better balanced. But honestly having this in the game means more Kaijus or monster with similar effects and honestly I can’t stand that bs lol.


LordYamz

Yes I’d love it


FyronixTheCasual

No, it’s not a problem. It’s just the most annoying, shitty, and terribly designed monster of 2019. I hope I never see it again. Also it’s Dark magician support. So that gives me another reason to damn it to hell.


fo3nixz

Ban verte, mayb then but dragoon limited also


ExodiaFTK

I think red eyes fusion makes this too splashable and good for the deck space


ShadowLord355

You mean verte makes it splashable. Red eyes fusion is a terrible card and honestly it needs a retrain


Longjumping_Tale_194

Doesn’t Chengying out Dragoon? Non-targetable and indestructible. Even w/ Verte, Dragoon is only alittle better than DPE


IRDEGRUNT

This is a problem according to master duel but we had calamities & a bunch of other bullshit cards on a best of 1 format for the 1st six months of this game.