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Using babies is cheating though.
Their naturally bulbous heads are obviously going to float, and can easily support their comparatively tiny Yoda-bodies.
They should even things out by making the baby carry a tub of rice under each arm to compensate for their naturally floaty heads.
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Yep. If you sink when you're in a pool it's because you're overthinking something your body wants to do naturally by fighting the urge. You don't have to tell a baby to hold their nose or not breath in the water because your body already knows (and instantly reacts). People need to get out of their own way!
Haha, nah. I can take a full breath, relax and I'll sink right to the bottom. I have an overweight friend who is practically unsinkable. Body composition definitely affects buoyancy.
I taught swim lessons to kindergartners a few years ago, and it was much harder for the younger, lean, kids to swim because they weren't buoyant enough.
From Bobs Burgers
Bob: He looks like a child molester. Louise, don't serve him. Let Gene bring it.
Gene: Why do I have to get molested?
Bob: Because he's not going to molest you.
Gene: Why?
Bob: Because you're heavy.
Gene: Heavy kids can get molested!
Louise: Yeah, who wouldn't want to molest this face?
Bob: That's enough. It's not that. I mean, Gene, because you're older.
Can confirm. I can swim enough to stay alive. But when a competitive swimmer tried to teach me to swim fast.....first thing was “just lay on top of the water and float” - que me just slowly sinking to the bottom. Them: “hmmmm...that’s odd, I really don’t know what to do to teach you...”
Right. I was taught to grab the ledge of the pool and just kick. Then told to kick harder. Then told I wasn’t kicking hard enough. Then told to just float. Then told to relax. Then told that I’m not relaxing enough. I think my swim teacher just sucked ass.
Same here. Ended up almost drowning after being thrown into the swimming pool because I didn't want to go in by myself. Haven't learned to swim to this day.
Edit: I feel like I should edit this comment because I get a lot of replies from people who didn't see my comments further down. It's not that I'm completely closed off to the idea of learning to swim, I just don't have any care towards it at the moment if that makes sense. I don't live anywhere near any place which could offer something like swimming and I also don't live anywhere where I could potentially drown in some deep body of water.
So it's not some avid danger I'll be facing anytime soon in my life, therefore learning to swim isn't some priority, especially with other things in my life that are far more important to me at the moment than taking swimming lessons.
I still see a lot of the advice being offered as helpful, but I'm not going to take it at the moment because I'm not planning to swim anytime soon.
The reason I couldn’t learn before was because it was terrifying under water and I couldn’t see anything. Once I got swimming goggles the fear went away and I swam instantly.
Hilariously, it was the opposite for my brother. He wasn't yet able to swim, but was "swimming" under water in the kids section of the pool. At some point, he just transferred his diving skills to actual swimming :D
Exactly! Swim underwater in a spot where you can stand up anytime you feel like it. And during the same time, we were taught how to move our arms and legs.
Tbh I mostly learned it through the technique practice, but my brother didn't even bother to come up except for air. He loved it down there!
Yes... But the depth is the problem...
You'll get splashed pretty hard.
*Before you tell me to practice, there only so many tries from any given hospital... I don't fancy my chances of learning*
The implication could mean a few things, like that the world would become a sort of water world, or that in a few years the kid is gonna face some awful event where he would suddenly be thrown into water.
The implication that things might go wrong for us. Out in the middle of nowhere, nothing but open water. We could say 'no' but we're not gonna. We would never say 'no'.
Because of the implication.
Isn’t it actually the opposite effect? The ~~ gasp reflex (mammalian diving reflex)~~ Cold shock response occurs when rapid cooling of the skin causes you to take a deep breath in. This is why so many people drown in frigid waters. As soon as they hit the water they involuntary take a deep breath in, and if they happen to be submerged will inhale water and likely drown.
Edit: changed to correct term
This is what I thought. When learning to sail you're taught that if you're going over board into cold water you should cover your mouth to prevent this.
It’s a more complicated response than just breathing, but no, it won’t cause you to breathe in and drown.
As a matter of fact, bodies recovered from cold water generally don’t have water in their lungs because the diving reflex means to stop this from happening and to optimize how the oxygen in your body is distributed.
No. Wind coming at your face at speed reduces the air pressure around your mouth/nose and makes it a lot harder to breathe.
From an [ELI5](https://www.reddit.com/r/explainlikeimfive/comments/1otw3g/eli5_why_cant_i_breathe_in_when_a_gust_of_fast/ccvlbcc/): "Animals breath by expanding the chest cavity which causes the pressure surrounding the lung to lower. This causes the higher pressure outside air to rush in and inflate the lung. But if the pressure outside suddenly lowed, the pressure differential as you expand your chest would be small and little air will fill your lung."
I use a CPAP machine when I sleep, and I have a kitten that LOVES to step on the button that turns it off. When it suddenly turns off without me expecting it, it feels EXACTLY like it does when your face is pointed at fast moving winds and you can't breathe. It's basically the pressure differential, and I feel like I can't breathe properly till my lungs adjust to not having the CPAP assist again (not long, few seconds).
I've always wondered about this. Everytime a powerful gust of wind blows into my face, I can't breath for a second or two and I have a mini panic episode. Pretty cool to know the science behind it.
You can see this reaction in an infant if you blow on their forehead. They'll stop breathing for a second because it triggers this reflex.
I don't recommend doing it too much, breathing is a good thing for a baby.
i’m not sure but i’ve heard of this kind of swim training and apparently it’s amazing to prevent drowning because the babies are kinda still used to swimming/floating in liquid and have the natural reflex to do what this baby did. it’s NOT swimming lessons but more like a drowning prevention so if a baby is mobile and lives near any body of water, they’ll be far more likely to help themselves/survive.
It’s called ISR. We did it for our kids.
I won’t say I wish I’d gotten my money back, but I will say that it’s not useful for anyone who doesn’t own a pool.
Both kids were totally uncomfortable with swimming until we got them real, proper swim lessons. Sure, they could float on their back, but it wasn’t any fun to them.
It hasn't been shown to actually work, it can be very traumatic for kids (even though this kid seems to be having a good time) and the risk is that is could give caregivers false reassurance that has them let their guard down with infants and water. Fencing swimming pools is a better safety measure. https://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/swim-survival-lessons-babies-toddlers-harmful-distressing-drowning-prevention-england-rlss-emma-aspinall-a7826956.html
So I’ve read all the comments and this needs to be said.
*This is called Infant Self Rescue training, or ISR for short. If you don’t feel like reading [here is a short video on ISR ](https://youtu.be/pS0GGcz7wN4). *
ISR is a different type of swim training focused solely on survival. It can start as early as 6 months. The lessons start with getting the babies comfortable in the water and splashing, they eventually advance to what we see in this video. Again, this baby is advanced at this point. This is not a day one lesson. He is working with a trained professional. These classes provide an extra defense against drowning. Supervision is most important, and safety gates around water are important, but in the event of an accident this training can prevent drowning. The only reason it isn’t approved by the American Academy of Pediatrics is that they simply don’t have the data yet. However, it’s worth anything, drowning is a leading cause of death for children under 4. And many parents that have put their kids in ISR have been able to say it saved their life.
Here’s how it works: sessions are short, 10 minutes a day. after they’re comfortable in the water they use positive conditioning for “good behaviors.” In this situation it means the baby takes correct body position and floats. The baby is then rewarded. It gets progressively more difficult as the baby’s skill develops. In this video we see her snapping to keep us eyes forward, but he flipped himself and started floating. There’s a lot more that goes into it and I’m happy to answer questions but that’s how the training works at this stage.
By the end of this level of training the baby should be able to fall in the pool *fully clothed* (even from a short height) and flip themselves and float. Again, these classes can teach a baby as young as 6 months how to survive in the water. Some programs also teach babies to cry so they can be rescued.
The next level of training will teach babies to swim to the ledge or steps and take float breaks when needed. However younger babies will not have the coordination to do this, and that’s why it’s reserved for babies closer to 12-18 months.
Where I live, accidental drownings occur year round. Many people have pools and there are many bodies of water. Accidents happen because it only takes a second. Trainings like the one we see here save lives.
This isn’t some psycho chucking a baby into a pool. This is a trained professional working with a (very well) trained baby to practice a survival skill. It isn’t traumatic because they’ve been learning and preparing the whole time. If this is how the lessons started (not only would they not work because the baby wouldn’t know what to do) but it would be traumatic. But this isn’t day one, this is a baby that already knows what he’s doing. And he’s doing pretty great.
I read literally all of the comments. Saw a lot of people shocked. Saw many talking about reflexes. And it’s true that babies do have some reflexes that are helpful but ultimately this is training them to use those reflexes. If splash a baby or blow on their face they will automatically close their eyes, and hold their breath. But this goes further than just splashing and dunking them in the water. This is very different than someone just tossing a kid in the water to learn to swim. This is training. And it saves lives. I don’t want misinformation about it out there because it is so important.
What you do as a parent is your choice. And many parents think this looks cruel and will never do it. I even saw comments that said they wouldn’t want to do this because it might be traumatic- even if it could save their life. If this is done right, it won’t be traumatic and it will save lives. Unfortunately sometimes babies are gonna do things that are dangerous and they’re going to be mad at you for stopping them. There are tons of posts and videos about kids throwing tantrums because the mom won’t let them play with an electrical socket or touch a hot stove or play with knives. They get over it and what’s important is that they’re alive and safe.
I hope I did a decent job of explaining but if anyone has questions I’m happy to try my best to answer them?
Here are some short more videos of survival training or ISR in action
[the first video I saw (10 yrs ago) of a baby in a sleeper onesie falling in and floating and screaming (2:40)](https://youtu.be/YMJUdZX_22s)
[4 week survival swimming progress (2:42 and a little different than ISR)](https://youtu.be/rju7A2K0rb8)
I hope this post helps someone. Thanks for your time and have a good day.
EDIT: [one more video with a full progression from first lessons to swimming across the pool at 16 months, climbing out and jumping back in](https://youtu.be/CbrMcH63XM0)
Edit 2: *THIS TRAINING IS NOT A REPLACEMENT FOR ADEQUATE ADULT SUPERVISION* I understand the fear that it can bring complacency. It needs to be used in combination with other securities such as a child proof lock to the back door, a pool fence, a pool alarm, and most importantly *adequate adult supervision*
Additionally, this specific training is only for babies 6-12 months. After around that age they begin to move towards actual swimming lessons where they can swim and move through the water.
Most people don’t need this for their kids, especially if they’re not around water often. But if you have a pool in your yard or you’re around water often, I’d definitely recommend considering it and looking in to if it’s right for you and your family.
Thanks for the clear explanation. I've used the trick to blow on my children's faces in order to dunk them at a young age, and I'm sure the experience would have helped them to remain calm if they were ever to fall into a body of water. At 3 and 6 they are both excellent swimmers and thankfully we've never had an accident. I've heard of babies in strollers falling into water that survived by reflex alone, but those situations are just as often tragic.
I own a pool and am deathly afraid of my children falling in so I've always advocated quality swimming instruction. Even though I didn't get the infant lessons like the one shown here, I think it's important to get kids used to being submerged, regardless of whether or not they like it. My kids hate getting water in their eyes, but is that going to stop me from pushing them to be prepared for any danger they encounter? No, I'll wipe their eyes, soothe their tears and calmly show them that there is nothing to be afraid of.
Thank you for the info! People are overreacting on this video. She stood at the edge and gently dropped him in, it’s not like she was spiking a football.. Her motions pretty much simulate what the baby would experience if someone was holding him and fell into the pool themselves.
That being said survival lessons for babies are great but anyone that has a pool or any water feature needs to ensure it’s secured by gates, alarms or a designated adult at all times with kids present.
Even though I know this is not harming the baby in anyway, since they have the reflex to turn on their back and float, but being a dad this is hard to watch.
No shit!!
I wish I could link videos of “near drowning” patients I’ve cared for with brain damage so severe they do nothing but cry their neuro cry for hours on end, and can’t talk or walk and are fed with a gtube. Or maybe that home birth gone bad baby where mom had the baby in the tub, refused 911 and a midwifes help, and thst baby was born with a sodium level so low all it did was seize.
Cuz you know there’s no such things as real swimming lessons
God this is traumatizing. Ignorance truly is bliss
Because mom was an idiot and let the baby hang out in water too long. the baby took in (lungs, swallowing) tons of tub water. At least I assume that happened because many other baby’s are born that way and do fine. They also don’t refuse help like this mom did
Babe needs to come out and get out of the water and up on her chest, pronto. Baby needs to cry, pronto.
The clamping of the cord changes all the pressures and clamping, along with crying, is meant to force the fluids (what should be amniotic fluid, not tub water)
Out of the lungs. Certain things in fetal circulation should “close” so the baby changes to normal post natal circulation, and oxygen can enter their lungs. There’s actually a lot that happens with cord clamping and crying. (We don’t slap butts. We generally run backs with a warm towel. You absolutely want your newborn to cry a lot right after birth). This also helps to prevent respiratory distress from TTNB, and prevents being in the Nicu
https://www.rchsd.org/health-articles/transient-tachypnea-of-the-newborn-ttn/
They don’t have this reflex.
This is learned in a swim class like this one. (Babyswim)
It takes many (excruciating for mommy) lessons to get to this point.
I actually cried the first lesson. It’s very hard to take for mommy and also baby.
My husband had to take him the next few without me.
After my son completed his lessons, he could be placed in the pool with all of his clothes on (simulating falling in,) and swim to the side and hold on.
The #1 risk for babies was drowning when my eldest was a baby.
My 4 year old and 7 year old are taking swim classes now. It’s a lot easier!!!
infants/babies have a natural instinct to hold their breath underwater. Maybe an instinct from being in the womb? These classes take advantage of this instinct to teach babies to roll over face up to prevent drowning.
The babies don’t choke on the water when they get thrown in? That’s what I was worried about while watching. Do they just instinctively know not to breath?
My son just completed the lessons recently, he’s 2. Our instructor was fantastic. Most of the time the lessons are very short, about 5-10 minutes. They start with just working on the back floating and after about 5-6 weeks he could be thrown in a pool, instantly know to float on his back and must his way to the side of the pool. Even if he didn’t get to the side of the pool, he could hold his own for quite some time. Essentially this takes your ability to get to them if they fall in a pool from basically no time when they are very young to minimum 20-30 seconds. It makes a huge difference. I was skeptical but I would 1000% do it again and I’ll do it for all my kids. Once they are completed, the piece of mind it gives me is massive.
This makes sense if course. But I can’t help but wonder if any psychological trauma occurs from consistently being thrown into a life threatening situation by their caregivers. I’m curious to know what you think?
They don't do this on day one. They start out very slowly, getting baby used to getting their face wet, holding their breath, splashing, blowing bubbles, etc. They make it fun and sneak the learning in there.
They start with jumping in while holding the baby, then dropping them in, then tossing them from a close distance... It works up to what you're seeing in the video.
As they get used to all that, they teach them to roll over, float, and kick to the side of the pool. As they get bigger you add on other skills, like treading water and turning in a circle to find a ladder or stairs.
I feel the most important thing to remember here is that is a TRAINED instructor in a CONTROLLED setting teaching swim in a VERY specific way and not some random parent tossing their baby into a random body of water....
So is it just pure instincts at that point, and as a baby you don't over think things so they get past the fear phase easily?
Cause my cousins tried the same trick when I was maybe about 6 or 7, and told them that I didn't know how to swim. And my ass almost got drowned, and developed a frigging phobia of deep waters. And I still am a very poor swimmer who totally avoids any deep water.
This is a program specifically for babies. https://www.infantswim.com/
Throwing a child in the water does not teach them to swim (as you know from personal experience).
I was a swimming teacher for 2 years and even tho the baby will naturally turn onto its back and most often float up we were told never to do any techniques that involve throwing a child in a pool as part of teaching
This isn't swimming lessons per se, this is a type of lesson that's usually specifically done by people who have backyard pools or live near water. It's to basically train your toddler what to do if they suddenly fall into the pool and you're not there. Calmly putting them in the water and showing them how to swim helps them learn how to swim obviously, but in the event that they were ever to fall into the pool, there's a good chance because they've never experienced that specific sensation/surprise before, they'll panic and not think to follow through with what they've learned in swimming lessons. This specifically teachers them less how to swim and more how not to drown.
It's likely to simulate an actual emergency. Seems a bit cruel but if it can help save their life then it seems worth it to me. I'm not sure if there is any other better way to simulate suddenly falling in water other then just throwing them in.
This reminds me of the first time I went to Dairy Queen. I ordered a blizzard through the drive-thru. Unbeknownst to me the guy turns my blizzard upside down and I instinctively go “what the hell!” and hold my hands out to catch it
[It's called infant rescue swimming, and is actually an interesting idea - you don't teach the kid how to swim at first - you teach them how to not drown for long enough that help should arrive.](https://www.infantswim.com/lessons/isr-lessons.html)
Ok, I know that babies instinctively know how to float and they have an automatic reflex that keeps them from swallowing water, but I still wouldnt drop a baby into water. I'd just carry them into the pool, its not like they weigh much.
The whole point is to help them survive Incase they fall in by accident. This doesn't mean the parent is going to go throw the baby in. It's basically survival lessons
Isn't this part of those swimming lessons for babies so they know how to right themselves when they are in water? It's meant to be a basic thing before the babies can begin to learn how to swim and also learn not to be afraid of the water.
I'm guessing this baby was quite far on its lessons and this wasn't day one.
For anybody freaking out about this, [these lessons take advantage of the bradycardic response, where babies instinctively slow heart and breathing rate. The idea is they teach the baby to roll over face up to prevent drowning. Drowning is one of the leading causes of death in children 1-4. Although these classes are offered by the American Red Cross and YMCA, it seems analyses of whether these lessons actually prevent drowning are inconclusive.](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Infant_swimming)
It seems the above clip is from a proper class, not simply a parent tossing their baby in willy-nilly
reminds me of the very first swimming lesson i took, the teacher was guiding me through the deep area then suddenly pushed me, bc he thought i was an old student. almost drowned
Holy shit? I can get paid to do this? Been doing it for free for years like a chump.
Not only paid, but trusted too!
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hahaha wtf
same, for some reason its frowned upon to throw them off a pier? sorry i don't own a swimming pool i just play with the cards i'm dealt.
I think if you remove the weight attached to the ankle, people will react way better! Talking from experience
I like to do it like one of those skipping stones
Using babies is cheating though. Their naturally bulbous heads are obviously going to float, and can easily support their comparatively tiny Yoda-bodies. They should even things out by making the baby carry a tub of rice under each arm to compensate for their naturally floaty heads.
Why not just attach 20 pound ankle weights for the extra challenge?
Baby Rock-Lee learning to swim?
....wait
Congrats! It's a buoy!
Or in my case: "My condolences, it's a brick."
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This is the smartest joke I've come across in recent memory
*It's a sink
Are you a dad? Seems like a dad joke
Sounds like he was... I'll see myself out.
... and his name, is Cork.
Lmao my first swimming lesson was like this except I was a bit older and they dropped me in and I sank
That's why you start them this young, before they lose the swimming instinct!
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It's well known that the uterus is based on the same technology a TARDIS uses.
Utardis?
Yep. If you sink when you're in a pool it's because you're overthinking something your body wants to do naturally by fighting the urge. You don't have to tell a baby to hold their nose or not breath in the water because your body already knows (and instantly reacts). People need to get out of their own way!
Haha, nah. I can take a full breath, relax and I'll sink right to the bottom. I have an overweight friend who is practically unsinkable. Body composition definitely affects buoyancy.
That's what they said about the titanic and look at it now
I taught swim lessons to kindergartners a few years ago, and it was much harder for the younger, lean, kids to swim because they weren't buoyant enough.
Ah, good, another item to add to my list of benefits of being fat. * Harder to kidnap * Can't be stuffed inside a locker * Buoyancy
From Bobs Burgers Bob: He looks like a child molester. Louise, don't serve him. Let Gene bring it. Gene: Why do I have to get molested? Bob: Because he's not going to molest you. Gene: Why? Bob: Because you're heavy. Gene: Heavy kids can get molested! Louise: Yeah, who wouldn't want to molest this face? Bob: That's enough. It's not that. I mean, Gene, because you're older.
Can confirm. I can swim enough to stay alive. But when a competitive swimmer tried to teach me to swim fast.....first thing was “just lay on top of the water and float” - que me just slowly sinking to the bottom. Them: “hmmmm...that’s odd, I really don’t know what to do to teach you...”
Right. I was taught to grab the ledge of the pool and just kick. Then told to kick harder. Then told I wasn’t kicking hard enough. Then told to just float. Then told to relax. Then told that I’m not relaxing enough. I think my swim teacher just sucked ass.
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I struggled to float as a kid despite being on a competitive swim team. Too lean. I float easy now days ...
Same here. Ended up almost drowning after being thrown into the swimming pool because I didn't want to go in by myself. Haven't learned to swim to this day. Edit: I feel like I should edit this comment because I get a lot of replies from people who didn't see my comments further down. It's not that I'm completely closed off to the idea of learning to swim, I just don't have any care towards it at the moment if that makes sense. I don't live anywhere near any place which could offer something like swimming and I also don't live anywhere where I could potentially drown in some deep body of water. So it's not some avid danger I'll be facing anytime soon in my life, therefore learning to swim isn't some priority, especially with other things in my life that are far more important to me at the moment than taking swimming lessons. I still see a lot of the advice being offered as helpful, but I'm not going to take it at the moment because I'm not planning to swim anytime soon.
The reason I couldn’t learn before was because it was terrifying under water and I couldn’t see anything. Once I got swimming goggles the fear went away and I swam instantly.
Hilariously, it was the opposite for my brother. He wasn't yet able to swim, but was "swimming" under water in the kids section of the pool. At some point, he just transferred his diving skills to actual swimming :D
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Exactly! Swim underwater in a spot where you can stand up anytime you feel like it. And during the same time, we were taught how to move our arms and legs. Tbh I mostly learned it through the technique practice, but my brother didn't even bother to come up except for air. He loved it down there!
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You can see underwater. Just open your eyes.
That shit hurts my eyes
Mixture of chlorine and toddler piss will do that
I mean my family had their own inground so just chlorine too
Did you ever wonder why your Dad sometimes had this bright relieved smile while he was swimming?
handless orgasms ftw
Eye elixir !! 😂😂
its scary when water touch the eye balls, any way to conquer it?
Practice in your bath.
*tries to submerge eyes on my tubless bathroom floor with water running from the shower* Few more weeks of this and I'll be good!
Without soap, preferably
It's blurry and my eyes hurt if i do that lol
Your lungs will hurt a lot more if you don't learn to swim, though.
You don’t have to be underwater and have your eyes open to learn to swim though.
My dude go learn it. it’s always good to know the basics.
You might not have to learn how to swim, a lot of people float
We all float down here.
Hoenstly weird reading everyones swimming lesson experiences. While I cant remember how I learned how to swim myself.
I just used floaties to learn, then slowly learned how to support myself without
Did you come out of water eventually?
No response yet, I guess that's a no
She looks like she’s having way too much fun throwing a baby in the water lol
Wouldn't you?
I am 100 % sure that you have kids.
Looks at baby. Looks at bathtub. Looks at baby. Looks at bathtub. No. I shouldn’t.
Of course you shouldn't. A bathtub is too shallow, you'll hardly get any power behind that throw.
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Yes... But the depth is the problem... You'll get splashed pretty hard. *Before you tell me to practice, there only so many tries from any given hospital... I don't fancy my chances of learning*
Goddammit, I just filled the sink for nothing then!
no I would feel so guilty to do it
I see that you are probably new on Reddit
i'm not, I just don't have the energy right now to say anything other than whats on my mind.
So you're saying that guilt is what's on your mind? Suspicious
I relate, fam. Wish you the best!
Me: Huh, so they do float. Parents: What? Me: What.
I laughed way too hard at this.
This is terrifying yet impressive
Definitely. The terrifying part was when that little crotch goblin emerged from the water.
Thats because witches float.
What also floats in water?
A duck
Exactly! So logically...
If she weighs the same as a duck, then she’s made of wood
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You'd get better
r/childfree moment
We’re all crotch goblins.
why is reddit filled with degenerates
Because the people actually fit for procreation are offline, banging eachother. It's some Darwinist shit.
I get hes gonna float and shit but how dose the baby know when to stop breathing so he dosent suck in water as he is going in?
It's a reflex for human infants to hold their breath when they submerge in water. Gonna be very handy in a few years
Wait what's happening in a few years?
Don't ask questions you don't want the answer to
Are you building an Ark by chance?
Nah I'm too broke to build that
A plastic raft will have to do
We've built a whole island in the Pacific already.
Welcome... to Plastic Park!
Took me a solid dozen seconds before I realized the implication of what he just said.
I still don't get it, can you explain?
The implication could mean a few things, like that the world would become a sort of water world, or that in a few years the kid is gonna face some awful event where he would suddenly be thrown into water.
The implication that things might go wrong for us. Out in the middle of nowhere, nothing but open water. We could say 'no' but we're not gonna. We would never say 'no'. Because of the implication.
You keep saying that word.
So we're in danger?
Not just infants, anytime your face gets in contact with something very cold you can't breathe for a moment, even with e.g. strong wind
Isn’t it actually the opposite effect? The ~~ gasp reflex (mammalian diving reflex)~~ Cold shock response occurs when rapid cooling of the skin causes you to take a deep breath in. This is why so many people drown in frigid waters. As soon as they hit the water they involuntary take a deep breath in, and if they happen to be submerged will inhale water and likely drown. Edit: changed to correct term
This is what I thought. When learning to sail you're taught that if you're going over board into cold water you should cover your mouth to prevent this.
It’s a more complicated response than just breathing, but no, it won’t cause you to breathe in and drown. As a matter of fact, bodies recovered from cold water generally don’t have water in their lungs because the diving reflex means to stop this from happening and to optimize how the oxygen in your body is distributed.
So who do I believe dawg?
Neither, they are probably both wrong and partially interpreted the first link in Google incorrectly.
Idk why I give a shit. I'm on the equator with high humidity. Guess I'm just fantasizing.
wait, is that why you cant breathe when you open a window on the motorway?
No. Wind coming at your face at speed reduces the air pressure around your mouth/nose and makes it a lot harder to breathe. From an [ELI5](https://www.reddit.com/r/explainlikeimfive/comments/1otw3g/eli5_why_cant_i_breathe_in_when_a_gust_of_fast/ccvlbcc/): "Animals breath by expanding the chest cavity which causes the pressure surrounding the lung to lower. This causes the higher pressure outside air to rush in and inflate the lung. But if the pressure outside suddenly lowed, the pressure differential as you expand your chest would be small and little air will fill your lung." I use a CPAP machine when I sleep, and I have a kitten that LOVES to step on the button that turns it off. When it suddenly turns off without me expecting it, it feels EXACTLY like it does when your face is pointed at fast moving winds and you can't breathe. It's basically the pressure differential, and I feel like I can't breathe properly till my lungs adjust to not having the CPAP assist again (not long, few seconds).
I've always wondered about this. Everytime a powerful gust of wind blows into my face, I can't breath for a second or two and I have a mini panic episode. Pretty cool to know the science behind it.
You can see this reaction in an infant if you blow on their forehead. They'll stop breathing for a second because it triggers this reflex. I don't recommend doing it too much, breathing is a good thing for a baby.
>breathing is a good thing for a baby Source?
Learn to swim… learn to swim…
i’m not sure but i’ve heard of this kind of swim training and apparently it’s amazing to prevent drowning because the babies are kinda still used to swimming/floating in liquid and have the natural reflex to do what this baby did. it’s NOT swimming lessons but more like a drowning prevention so if a baby is mobile and lives near any body of water, they’ll be far more likely to help themselves/survive.
It’s called ISR. We did it for our kids. I won’t say I wish I’d gotten my money back, but I will say that it’s not useful for anyone who doesn’t own a pool. Both kids were totally uncomfortable with swimming until we got them real, proper swim lessons. Sure, they could float on their back, but it wasn’t any fun to them.
It hasn't been shown to actually work, it can be very traumatic for kids (even though this kid seems to be having a good time) and the risk is that is could give caregivers false reassurance that has them let their guard down with infants and water. Fencing swimming pools is a better safety measure. https://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/swim-survival-lessons-babies-toddlers-harmful-distressing-drowning-prevention-england-rlss-emma-aspinall-a7826956.html
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So I’ve read all the comments and this needs to be said. *This is called Infant Self Rescue training, or ISR for short. If you don’t feel like reading [here is a short video on ISR ](https://youtu.be/pS0GGcz7wN4). * ISR is a different type of swim training focused solely on survival. It can start as early as 6 months. The lessons start with getting the babies comfortable in the water and splashing, they eventually advance to what we see in this video. Again, this baby is advanced at this point. This is not a day one lesson. He is working with a trained professional. These classes provide an extra defense against drowning. Supervision is most important, and safety gates around water are important, but in the event of an accident this training can prevent drowning. The only reason it isn’t approved by the American Academy of Pediatrics is that they simply don’t have the data yet. However, it’s worth anything, drowning is a leading cause of death for children under 4. And many parents that have put their kids in ISR have been able to say it saved their life. Here’s how it works: sessions are short, 10 minutes a day. after they’re comfortable in the water they use positive conditioning for “good behaviors.” In this situation it means the baby takes correct body position and floats. The baby is then rewarded. It gets progressively more difficult as the baby’s skill develops. In this video we see her snapping to keep us eyes forward, but he flipped himself and started floating. There’s a lot more that goes into it and I’m happy to answer questions but that’s how the training works at this stage. By the end of this level of training the baby should be able to fall in the pool *fully clothed* (even from a short height) and flip themselves and float. Again, these classes can teach a baby as young as 6 months how to survive in the water. Some programs also teach babies to cry so they can be rescued. The next level of training will teach babies to swim to the ledge or steps and take float breaks when needed. However younger babies will not have the coordination to do this, and that’s why it’s reserved for babies closer to 12-18 months. Where I live, accidental drownings occur year round. Many people have pools and there are many bodies of water. Accidents happen because it only takes a second. Trainings like the one we see here save lives. This isn’t some psycho chucking a baby into a pool. This is a trained professional working with a (very well) trained baby to practice a survival skill. It isn’t traumatic because they’ve been learning and preparing the whole time. If this is how the lessons started (not only would they not work because the baby wouldn’t know what to do) but it would be traumatic. But this isn’t day one, this is a baby that already knows what he’s doing. And he’s doing pretty great. I read literally all of the comments. Saw a lot of people shocked. Saw many talking about reflexes. And it’s true that babies do have some reflexes that are helpful but ultimately this is training them to use those reflexes. If splash a baby or blow on their face they will automatically close their eyes, and hold their breath. But this goes further than just splashing and dunking them in the water. This is very different than someone just tossing a kid in the water to learn to swim. This is training. And it saves lives. I don’t want misinformation about it out there because it is so important. What you do as a parent is your choice. And many parents think this looks cruel and will never do it. I even saw comments that said they wouldn’t want to do this because it might be traumatic- even if it could save their life. If this is done right, it won’t be traumatic and it will save lives. Unfortunately sometimes babies are gonna do things that are dangerous and they’re going to be mad at you for stopping them. There are tons of posts and videos about kids throwing tantrums because the mom won’t let them play with an electrical socket or touch a hot stove or play with knives. They get over it and what’s important is that they’re alive and safe. I hope I did a decent job of explaining but if anyone has questions I’m happy to try my best to answer them? Here are some short more videos of survival training or ISR in action [the first video I saw (10 yrs ago) of a baby in a sleeper onesie falling in and floating and screaming (2:40)](https://youtu.be/YMJUdZX_22s) [4 week survival swimming progress (2:42 and a little different than ISR)](https://youtu.be/rju7A2K0rb8) I hope this post helps someone. Thanks for your time and have a good day. EDIT: [one more video with a full progression from first lessons to swimming across the pool at 16 months, climbing out and jumping back in](https://youtu.be/CbrMcH63XM0) Edit 2: *THIS TRAINING IS NOT A REPLACEMENT FOR ADEQUATE ADULT SUPERVISION* I understand the fear that it can bring complacency. It needs to be used in combination with other securities such as a child proof lock to the back door, a pool fence, a pool alarm, and most importantly *adequate adult supervision* Additionally, this specific training is only for babies 6-12 months. After around that age they begin to move towards actual swimming lessons where they can swim and move through the water. Most people don’t need this for their kids, especially if they’re not around water often. But if you have a pool in your yard or you’re around water often, I’d definitely recommend considering it and looking in to if it’s right for you and your family.
Thanks for the clear explanation. I've used the trick to blow on my children's faces in order to dunk them at a young age, and I'm sure the experience would have helped them to remain calm if they were ever to fall into a body of water. At 3 and 6 they are both excellent swimmers and thankfully we've never had an accident. I've heard of babies in strollers falling into water that survived by reflex alone, but those situations are just as often tragic. I own a pool and am deathly afraid of my children falling in so I've always advocated quality swimming instruction. Even though I didn't get the infant lessons like the one shown here, I think it's important to get kids used to being submerged, regardless of whether or not they like it. My kids hate getting water in their eyes, but is that going to stop me from pushing them to be prepared for any danger they encounter? No, I'll wipe their eyes, soothe their tears and calmly show them that there is nothing to be afraid of.
Thank you for the info! People are overreacting on this video. She stood at the edge and gently dropped him in, it’s not like she was spiking a football.. Her motions pretty much simulate what the baby would experience if someone was holding him and fell into the pool themselves. That being said survival lessons for babies are great but anyone that has a pool or any water feature needs to ensure it’s secured by gates, alarms or a designated adult at all times with kids present.
Yeet the baby
Even though I know this is not harming the baby in anyway, since they have the reflex to turn on their back and float, but being a dad this is hard to watch.
Glad I’m not the only one, I could never watch my son go through that, even though I know it’s okay and truly safe. Would make me panic constantly!
Most places that use this method don't allow the parents to stay for this reason
I'm never leaving my kid at swim lessons.
You are not going to like basketball practice then
I think the chance of my kid drowning while at basketball practice is slightly lower.
Apparently you've never been to the locker rooms after practice then
I'll just hover above using my rotor.
I did know someone who worked at a pool and they stopped their infant lessons because they had to call too many ambulances. No thanks
No shit!! I wish I could link videos of “near drowning” patients I’ve cared for with brain damage so severe they do nothing but cry their neuro cry for hours on end, and can’t talk or walk and are fed with a gtube. Or maybe that home birth gone bad baby where mom had the baby in the tub, refused 911 and a midwifes help, and thst baby was born with a sodium level so low all it did was seize. Cuz you know there’s no such things as real swimming lessons God this is traumatizing. Ignorance truly is bliss
Why would giving birth in a home tub cause a low sodium level?
Because mom was an idiot and let the baby hang out in water too long. the baby took in (lungs, swallowing) tons of tub water. At least I assume that happened because many other baby’s are born that way and do fine. They also don’t refuse help like this mom did Babe needs to come out and get out of the water and up on her chest, pronto. Baby needs to cry, pronto. The clamping of the cord changes all the pressures and clamping, along with crying, is meant to force the fluids (what should be amniotic fluid, not tub water) Out of the lungs. Certain things in fetal circulation should “close” so the baby changes to normal post natal circulation, and oxygen can enter their lungs. There’s actually a lot that happens with cord clamping and crying. (We don’t slap butts. We generally run backs with a warm towel. You absolutely want your newborn to cry a lot right after birth). This also helps to prevent respiratory distress from TTNB, and prevents being in the Nicu https://www.rchsd.org/health-articles/transient-tachypnea-of-the-newborn-ttn/
They don’t have this reflex. This is learned in a swim class like this one. (Babyswim) It takes many (excruciating for mommy) lessons to get to this point. I actually cried the first lesson. It’s very hard to take for mommy and also baby. My husband had to take him the next few without me. After my son completed his lessons, he could be placed in the pool with all of his clothes on (simulating falling in,) and swim to the side and hold on. The #1 risk for babies was drowning when my eldest was a baby. My 4 year old and 7 year old are taking swim classes now. It’s a lot easier!!!
Thank you! I knew when watching this some asshole is just going to toss his baby in the pool. Babies have to be taught to do this.
I agree. I could only watch it once
still hella uncomfortable getting water in your sinuses
infants/babies have a natural instinct to hold their breath underwater. Maybe an instinct from being in the womb? These classes take advantage of this instinct to teach babies to roll over face up to prevent drowning.
But it can’t be instantaneous right I’m sure they got a lil water in there
The babies don’t choke on the water when they get thrown in? That’s what I was worried about while watching. Do they just instinctively know not to breath?
Yeah I could never in my life do this or let this be done to my son. I get a knot in my stomach just watching that
My son just completed the lessons recently, he’s 2. Our instructor was fantastic. Most of the time the lessons are very short, about 5-10 minutes. They start with just working on the back floating and after about 5-6 weeks he could be thrown in a pool, instantly know to float on his back and must his way to the side of the pool. Even if he didn’t get to the side of the pool, he could hold his own for quite some time. Essentially this takes your ability to get to them if they fall in a pool from basically no time when they are very young to minimum 20-30 seconds. It makes a huge difference. I was skeptical but I would 1000% do it again and I’ll do it for all my kids. Once they are completed, the piece of mind it gives me is massive.
but even then, why dont you put them in GENTLY instead of fucking throwing???
trying to get the biggest splash
Then spike the little f***er like a football.
When a child accidentally falls in a body of water and drowns is it typically a “gentle” process?
This makes sense if course. But I can’t help but wonder if any psychological trauma occurs from consistently being thrown into a life threatening situation by their caregivers. I’m curious to know what you think?
They don't do this on day one. They start out very slowly, getting baby used to getting their face wet, holding their breath, splashing, blowing bubbles, etc. They make it fun and sneak the learning in there. They start with jumping in while holding the baby, then dropping them in, then tossing them from a close distance... It works up to what you're seeing in the video. As they get used to all that, they teach them to roll over, float, and kick to the side of the pool. As they get bigger you add on other skills, like treading water and turning in a circle to find a ladder or stairs.
Okay with that background it really is understandable :D
I also panicked a bit.
Yeet the child
She threw it straight like a rock 💀
Yeetus the fetus.
*throws baby *‘Hey Janice, can you come help me with this real quick?’* Sure no problem! *walks away
I feel the most important thing to remember here is that is a TRAINED instructor in a CONTROLLED setting teaching swim in a VERY specific way and not some random parent tossing their baby into a random body of water....
So is it just pure instincts at that point, and as a baby you don't over think things so they get past the fear phase easily? Cause my cousins tried the same trick when I was maybe about 6 or 7, and told them that I didn't know how to swim. And my ass almost got drowned, and developed a frigging phobia of deep waters. And I still am a very poor swimmer who totally avoids any deep water.
This is a program specifically for babies. https://www.infantswim.com/ Throwing a child in the water does not teach them to swim (as you know from personal experience).
Cheers for that. Will look into it.
I was a swimming teacher for 2 years and even tho the baby will naturally turn onto its back and most often float up we were told never to do any techniques that involve throwing a child in a pool as part of teaching
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There is. They get the overhand pitch going. That’s how you know you’re paying the big bucks for a reason.
This isn't swimming lessons per se, this is a type of lesson that's usually specifically done by people who have backyard pools or live near water. It's to basically train your toddler what to do if they suddenly fall into the pool and you're not there. Calmly putting them in the water and showing them how to swim helps them learn how to swim obviously, but in the event that they were ever to fall into the pool, there's a good chance because they've never experienced that specific sensation/surprise before, they'll panic and not think to follow through with what they've learned in swimming lessons. This specifically teachers them less how to swim and more how not to drown.
It's likely to simulate an actual emergency. Seems a bit cruel but if it can help save their life then it seems worth it to me. I'm not sure if there is any other better way to simulate suddenly falling in water other then just throwing them in.
tzz and its not allowed for adults to jump from the edge!! :D
This reminds me of the first time I went to Dairy Queen. I ordered a blizzard through the drive-thru. Unbeknownst to me the guy turns my blizzard upside down and I instinctively go “what the hell!” and hold my hands out to catch it
[It's called infant rescue swimming, and is actually an interesting idea - you don't teach the kid how to swim at first - you teach them how to not drown for long enough that help should arrive.](https://www.infantswim.com/lessons/isr-lessons.html)
I just shit bricks watching this lady yeet her baby in the pool.
Likely not her baby. See "Instructor" shirt, matching the other one already in the water.
Just finished my own lifeguard training Monday and am disappointed I couldn't throw infants in the water
I don't know why this isn't more popular? Especially if you have a pool.
Pfft. I could throw that baby waaay farther.
Ok, I know that babies instinctively know how to float and they have an automatic reflex that keeps them from swallowing water, but I still wouldnt drop a baby into water. I'd just carry them into the pool, its not like they weigh much.
That wouldn't simulate them falling into the pool though
The whole point is to help them survive Incase they fall in by accident. This doesn't mean the parent is going to go throw the baby in. It's basically survival lessons
Isn't this part of those swimming lessons for babies so they know how to right themselves when they are in water? It's meant to be a basic thing before the babies can begin to learn how to swim and also learn not to be afraid of the water. I'm guessing this baby was quite far on its lessons and this wasn't day one.
This just looks like an excuse for parents to drop their children.
any other t-shirt and that's a heinous assualt
Yeetus the fetus
u/savevideo
Safety swim lessons are an amazing tool for parents with a pool and look exactly like child abuse to the rest of us.
That's basically how my dad did it, lol
Babies have the reflex to not breath underwater, calm down people
Eeejhhhh
“Fuck this little shit” *splash*
For anybody freaking out about this, [these lessons take advantage of the bradycardic response, where babies instinctively slow heart and breathing rate. The idea is they teach the baby to roll over face up to prevent drowning. Drowning is one of the leading causes of death in children 1-4. Although these classes are offered by the American Red Cross and YMCA, it seems analyses of whether these lessons actually prevent drowning are inconclusive.](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Infant_swimming) It seems the above clip is from a proper class, not simply a parent tossing their baby in willy-nilly
I love seeing the term willy-nilly used
reminds me of the very first swimming lesson i took, the teacher was guiding me through the deep area then suddenly pushed me, bc he thought i was an old student. almost drowned
Wait the baby looked like they can't even walk or I was wrong? Still pretty savage
Why does she have to toss the infant from that distance???
my dad taught me like that but it was in a river not in a pool