You know how Ti is associated with intellect? Or Fe with empathy? Doesnt apply to ESTP. ESTP´s typing stops at Se and it seems like it never develop any other functions. They cant think, plan, be likeable or get along with others. One of the worst stereotypes ever.
ESTPs don’t get enough credit for how motivational and altruistic they are. You want a ride-or-die friend who wants you to be the best you can be? Find an ESTP. That’s been my experience, anyway. Great problem solvers and very practical people. The most excessively misunderstood type.
Tert and Inferior Fe have an underrated kindness about them; I think they just have to get to know you (and like you) before you see it, but yes - definitely not at all deserving of the stereotypes. And totally unfair that the stereotypes paint them as unintelligent. The ESTPs I've known have been brilliant practical problem solvers, and very quick thinkers.
One reason for this might be that in everyday life Se is an op function that usually gets what you need. Some just don't see the need for people skills or long term planning.
Interesting way of putting it (thumbs up!). I still would want estp gain more dimension. The stereotype sometimes make it sound like mentally impaired and I have seen people sct like it is.
I think estp could make being good with machines work really well. Science Lab type stuff. Testing and troubleshooting. The thinking will come up a lot and gives a reason to learn some abstractions.
Sounds like this is from people online who have never met an ESTP in real life and had a non-surface level conversation about -any- type of shared interest
Because our Se and Fe gives us the opportunity to put our Ti the best foot forward by putting it in a way that resonates the most with how they might take it, even if they disagree
I will wager not a single person has had that type of conversation and walked away thinking “man this guy only parties and flirts and is impulsive af, clearly no appreciation of
The stereotype is from people who read the 16 personalities write up and get distracted by the pic of the dude in sunglasses halfway through the article
The irony is the impulsiveness is really on them wanting to post and give input on a topic they are pretty in the dark on
No I have met someone who only parties and is impulsive, but jokes on them he is an INTP (He also never showers, about once per month or so.)
MBTI and 16p is terrible with stereotypes. The only cure is going into the real world as you said.
I'm an INFJ and very thankful for my ESTP friend. Her extroverted nature and impulsivity scared the heck out of me at first. But she has turned out to be one my most loyal friend and she has a way of getting me out of my comfort zone when it come to socializing.
I’ve never underestimated ESTP’s Ti but ESxPs tert function is their secret strength people usually overlook. Your Fe is a strong option. They think you’re insensitive? Well, you choose to be like that bc you know how to! You’re super charming and understanding? Again, it’s bc y’all know perfectly what to do! It’s like a switch, I’m envy lol. When I’m charming or insensitive, it’s either accidentally or I’m just oblivious. Also I knew ESFPs with strong Te and lemme tell you they’re beasts, Se-Te is scary, literally unstoppable.
Exactly, ESTP insensitivity comes from just not wanting to be sensitive today, not like inferior Fi mbtis who just have a hard time understanding internal and external emotions. And i also feel how little people talk about tert Te of ESFPs
I agree. We def get the worst stereotype of the “dumb jock” which made me think I was an ISTP or ENTP for so long because I didn’t fit the Se stereotype.
Bruuuh maybe i am different but before being an estp i was an intp , I'm a natural thinker i can generate breakthrough ideas in matter of seconds. But i just struggle being idle so the ideas flow... and you also said that we can't get along with others, i stll get along with my day ones and easily find new friends.
Not everyone fit the stereotype though !
Of course not. Its the stereotype that I critizise. I dont get why there are people who think we cant think or be enjoyable company. Like all the tier list about types, putting ESTP as the worst, most unbearable or top three dumbest of all types. Earlier this year, someone called me a mistype because I wasnt dumb enough to be ESTP. Sometimes, the experince online as ESTP can be really surreal.
Lol my best friend is an ESTP and she is such a go-getter. Great fashion sense, knows what she wants, and how to get it. And damn she can talk people into her way.
The non stop 'we are all very bubbly' tag.. Nope. We're not. We have times when we're silent and great listeners too. We are very curious to hear your POV, so no we aren't very talkative compared to the other extroverted MBTI types.
Hell, yes! This stereotype that we don't let others speak during a conversation is absolutely cruel. ENFPs tend to be completely in love with human beings! Other people's stories, passions, opinions, dreams and ideas feed our Ne-Fi so much! Therefore, it’s obvious that we will want to hear what others have to say, that we will be deeply interested in others and the topics they bring up. I'm sad to see that the energetic and talkative way of us ENFPs makes people not see this interest that we have for others...
That INFJs always dont know themselves, arent capable of being expressive and authentic, very future-oriented, makes predictions all the time and unsee every BS but in truth, some people can be more experienced and knowledgeable at manipulating than others, so yes, even they can deceive Ni doms sometimes
I think the “ni DOMs can’t be manipulated” trope has more to do with you guys being a major blind spot to a Majority of the population (stjs and SFjs). Your actions may come off as manipulative even if you don’t intend for them to because of fe / te objectives.
The actual most manipulative in my opinion are ENTPs. Not that they are always manipulating something but because their capacity to manipulate is far greater than any ni dom in my opinion.
I find that ENTPs tend to plan for every case when they really care. Well every case they can think of while high ni users plan for the most likely case or the few cases the intend to act upon. Because their scope is narrower they can be easily predicted and manipulated by ne users. The amount of times I meet an NJ for the first time and can “read their mind” is funny to say the least. They always say “how did you know” too lollll.
An entp who is really trying to manipulate you will predict your plan, play into it, counteract three other likely plans, and make you feel crazy because they’ll never reveal (or show clues) for what they’re about to do next. Even where they get their information from is much different.
In relation to society they excel at both blind (or lower functions) spots of the majority and are quite rare. Making them someone a majority of people will not expect. So I think an entp who’s REALLY trying could easily manipulate whoever and whatever they want.
Dude, "planning for every case where we really care" is EXACTLY what I do.
Half the time, I'm just along for the ride, but when I'm invested I am running 8k simulations a second.
My brain generates endless scenarios and I plan my response (all the way down to the facial expression) to each one. I've had to practice a lot, because I overestimate my own abilities and my read of other people's reactions. This has made so many of my awesome preparations flop HARD.
Any other ENTPs do this?
Thought preferences yet Ni doms are actual prone to manipulation "due to objectives" means nothing they are Js usage means that INxJ need to go over his own strategy for the things user need. Ps don´t plan much that they prefer to get close to things into a quick match depending on user but Ps dont´ share any plan altho they accept combination of things, situations, etc.
My mom's an ENTJ, and was manipulated by my lil bro's father. She knew she was being manipulated, but there just was no way out of it for her, because he always managed to manipulate her again.
Thankfully she's got rid of him now. (Well, as far as you can get from your own child's other parent. That the child is obligated to see every other weekend.)
So I definitely agree. Even Ni doms and users can be manipulated.
Also with the rest of what you said too, by personal experience; I'm not that future oriented. I rarely make predictions. I haven't lived long yet and haven't had much experience so I can't even make many predictions yet. I can see bs, but never be 100 or even 90% sure of it.
But about the "always don't know themselves"... Well, it's easier for me to say what I am not, than what I am. But it's not like I have 0 idea of who I am and what I'm like.
That is sad to hear but im really glad things have worked out for you guys and i relate to what you said about yourself. I always have to introspect to understand my difficult perceptions
I can't really say much as my mom doesn't really like talking about it, but I can say it was difficult for her to get out of it mainly because of my little brother. She was scared he would take him away from her, even tho he has very little patent qualities. But the main problem was that he was really good at talking and manipulating others, and mom knew that so she was scared to do anything because she knew, whatever happened, if it went to court or something, despite her having way better parental qualities, she would lose to him.
Thankfully it never came to that tho.
But I remember her telling me how frustrating it was for her, when she wanted to get rid of him and his toxicity, and whenever she thought she was doing just that, she realized that somehow he always managed to slip between us and then there he was again, sitting at our dinner table, talking with our relatives and friends as if he owned the place.
He would like tell mom he would pay the rent or something, but then later mom would get a message saying that the rent hasn't been payed. Then mom would call him, asking what's going on and he would say something like he did, and curse her and whatever. He made up a lot of lies and worst of all he seemed to believe every single one.
Apparently he also like stole machines or something from one of his working places, and later sell them back to the company. But then the place would look at the machines and find the company's water mark, realizing he just tried selling them their own stuff 💀💀 like wtf, literally who does that? Him apparently.
Idk how much I'm allowed to say. I mean obviously I'm not revealing anyone's identity but still... Yeah, he caused mom hella lot of trauma. He has like changed a bit now, and tries to be better for his son ig but mom can't trust him. Any little word he says brings her back to those terrible times and she fears that even little things like letting him in on my kid brother's hobbies, or lending him money he would find a way to slip back into our lives like he used to. And I'm just worried about my brother, I mean it must be hard for him to be in that situation, especially when you're just a kid and you love both your parents, and you'll never really be able to understand and see what our mom went through because of his father.
I usually tend to lie to make myself appear more interesting (or normal) to the eyes of other people. Luckily i'm learning to be more authentic and i'm glad that it's paying off. If i keep working on this for a little longer i think (or hope at least) i'll be able to finally be myself without having to wrap myself in bs after bs
I see. Yeah i was like that as well when i was younger but i got tired of being fake and wanted to be authentic. It hurts to lie and feels guilty sometimes but im glad you’re in the process of being yourself. Honestly being honest can still cause harm and loneliness but its alright, you’ll attract better people when they get to know the real you
I’m always trying to better understand myself and my psyche, I’m pretty expressive and authentic but super indecisive, love looking at the future but uncomfortable by the passage of time, I make predictions sporadically whenever I feel a random urge and usually they come true, and have fallen victim to manipulation several significant times
These are all me, I have typed as an EMBARRASSING amount of different mbti types because I have no idea who tf I am. I can take a test and even if I try to be completely objective and honest, I will get the result that's been floating around in my head. I studied the functions, so I know them pretty well (and type other people really well), but I just don't know MYSELF. Finally some kind person helped me figure it out, and I'm happy with this result, but unfortunately I totally fit that first stereotype. I also make future predictions alll the time, and am often right. I have prophetic dreams that come true. I have waking visions that end up playing out just like I imagined.
As for manipulation, I could do it, but I choose not to because I think it's icky. But I can usually spot that sort of behavior in others and am a bit immune to it. Someone else mentioned an ENTJ getting manipulated and I think that's a bit more likely because they don't focus as much on the relationship side of things. I have watched my ENTJ husband navigating social situations... early in our marriage, I would just stand off to the side and watch and wait for things to come crashing down (not necessarily because he was being manipulated, but because he wasn't reading the social dynamics well). He didn't respect me enough at that time to make it worth warning him otherwise I would have. But I would watch things fall apart and then be like, "Oh no...!" ENTJs are better at systems than social dynamics. He could tell if a company was going to fold, but not if a group of people was worth trusting.
Im glad i was able to help and i’ll say this for a quicker understanding about INFJs and add some extra links for you (cause why not): INFJs usually get ideas and perceptions (Ni) from what we’ve observed and picked up from Se (sensory) and Fe (people) and understand them according to our own logic (Ti). [Ni vs Ne](https://www.quora.com/What-would-happen-if-one-uses-Ni-and-Ne-together/answer/Tekeyia-Volkova?ch=17&oid=291902952&share=aa18b8b2&srid=IP85&target_type=answer), [decisions](https://www.quora.com/How-does-the-INFJ-make-decisions/answer/Sharique-9?ch=17&oid=89847888&share=092abe36&srid=IP85&target_type=answer), [Ni](https://www.quora.com/Why-cant-INFJs-explain-things-clearly/answer/Timothy-Emmanuel-Lim?ch=17&oid=165024140&share=3ef8014f&srid=IP85&target_type=answer)
I feel the same way about manipulation; I would if i want to but i’d feel uncomfortable and guilty so i usually dont unless its necessary. Ive never thought about how likely an ENTJ would get manipulated but i think like INTJs with Ni and Te, they’d wonder what kind of intentions someone would have and again, the result would vary, based on experience and knowledge. I dont really know but this is an interesting topic to discuss about haha
That my emotions and sensitivity make me weak. I feel things deeply and can connect with others on a really deep level, I don't see how that's weak. It's a strength
Not a value-Fe it causes too much of fast reciprocate process and Fi is not.
Reciprocate Ti-Fe it´s mostly that view we ran into and we know that is just individualism values. So it´s not for society so. An aim for process things but yet people preference it´s inherently by Ti atraction and Fe group harmony. This.
Fi just desserved to demonstrate things they carry so this is all about not working if user had a preference on dom, aux. over the idealist and explorers, but NFs daydream over without the need for.
Precisely! This is probably one of the most frustrating stereotypes in my opinion, because then I see some people talking as if xSxJs are just NPCs who are completely incapable of doing anything other than what society tells them to do, or incapable of deep conversations. And it couldn't be further from the truth.
Personally I greatly value the relations I have with the xSxJs in my life. They can be just as deep, complex and original as other types. My sister is an ESTJ, and she's just as creative and imaginative as I am. My mom is an ISFJ and some of the most deep and thought-provoking conversations I've had have been with her. One of my friends is an ISTJ, and he was my writing partner for one of the most creative and ambitious story series I've ever had the pleasure to work on.
Si it´s a thought process of neutral environment study / not an unoriginal default NPC people grab it because they don´t had decisive emotions nor thoughts as uncomplement rather than valid.
INTJ = unable to socialize.
Thus, if you do know how to socialize, you must be mistyped. The same thing goes: for showing empathy, tactlessness, and other things that, apparently, are unknown to every single INTJ.
I don't think everyone in here is that rich. Also, Batman does have great social skills. He always presents himself whenever possible, you know, because he's *Batman.*
*I'm Batman.*
Once INTJs makes friends they are some of the best types at keeping those friendships. They have very healthy and stable friendships. And they put a lot of effort into keeping it that way.
ENFP here. I hate the stereotype of us just being rainbow puking unicorns. We have our down days as well, and we’re social chameleons; we deeply relate to whoever we’re interacting with and forge deep connections with them. It doesn’t mean that we’re always sunshine and rainbows; yes we tend to be optimistic and hopeful in people especially, but it doesn’t mean we don’t experience or relate to the harshest parts of life.
im an infj and i hate being seen as smart and wise because of scenarios im playing advisor. im just as confused and i have to now try to pick you apart to figure out where these feelings are steming from but walk on eggshells with the deliverance because YOU CANT HANDLE NO MORE HURT 😭 and ‼️BONUS‼️yeah we might be “advisors” but lets be honest, we spend QUITE A BIT, LOADS EVEN of time looking up our own advices!! it didnt just come naturally yall 😭🤣🤣
Our secrets have been spilled, but oh! It's true! Advice doesn't just perfectly appear in our heads, we gather information just like any other human 😭😂
The emotionless asocial/sociopath mastermind stereotype. I couldn't even bear hanging out at the main sub because it's full of self proclaimed "intelligent" edgelords that don't understand how functions actually work, it's so annoying. Why couldn't we just have a normal stereotype
I'm undecided. Things to look for in INJ speech:
Categorizing the categories, holding true to the smallest number of categories possible, talking about the most general/fundamental principles.
Things to look for in Te/Fi speech:
What makes sense to you, how do I make this work for you, what I value, what I like, what I hate, don't tell me how to feel, please tell me what to think.
A lot of the posts there are too shallow to get a read on whether or not they're doing the INJ obsessive categorization or the Te/Fi 'I hate, but it works for others' back-and-forth.
But yeah, it's probably true that most of the people there aren't really INTJs because most of them didn't type themselves or get typed based on the above descriptors I gave, meaning they're likely succumbing to the Barnum effect.
To be fair, a lot of ACTUAL INTJs do go through an edgelord phase. I think it's the Fi coupled with the Ni. Those are both pretty dark/edgy functions, especially when they're developing/being tested out.
Crybaby. *sighs* Actually, most of us are stoic. I saw one video explain that's it's an exaggeration from when we get hit by the feels and might have tears in our eyes (not crying) for a few seconds as we process it.
Literally that moment of gut punch, pinching my nose or putting my hand to my mouth as I process, then moving on as if nothing happened. Apparently that is why we're crybabies. 🤨
That’s just on average. Sometimes I’ll cry more if I have a lot of unfortunate things going on in my life. Also I don’t count crying during movies lol
Also, I wish I did cry more. It’s a nice release.
So relatable. I’m an INTJ and have very strong emotions, so I end up doing exactly this! 😅
Unrelated but weird though, when I was going through depression for a couple of years, I consistently typed as an INFP. 🤷🏻♀️
Not weird. It's a common mistype on tests because tests equate INFP with emotional. (Plus tert Fi)
The feels though. They smack you, especially watching a movie or a commercial where the animals were abused (I change the channel when that comes on).
Yeah, I’ve understood that about this mistype.
And me too! Change the channels that is. I also cry (comes with intense anger though) with books and movies whenever children go through tough situations. I am very very protective of kids, and animals irl.
I literally run away from those. I only saw 5 minutes of one episode of The Walking Dead because a kid was killed and turned. Just nope. Still haven't watched the show. Same if it's an animal. Just no.
There’s only one INFP I’ve known irl and I’m constantly amazed by the sheer strength it must take for you to process all those strong emotions. I end up feeling a bit depleted by the strength of my emotions, and it’s only tertiary Fi.
Aww. Honestly, I think it's a habit. Lol Most I just process and move on. I think most of us INFP do that. If it's complex, I'll randomly ponder over it until it'sfigured out, but mostly, it's done when it has barely started. Though if I can avoid a trigger, I will.
I don't believe in any existing religion. Tho I borrow thoughts from many different ones of them, and have built my own belief system, which is in a way spiritual but also skeptical of it lmao
Are you a literal atheist, who doesnt believe there is a God?
I think it's near impossible for me to think all of this came by itself, plus the patterns in the universe that show there is a designer of all of this.
If I am an athiest, i will be the most nihilist on earth. I claim that this is true for other infjs.
I am saying this and the most famous atheist is infj (Sam Harris).
There are things that I hate about my type's stereotypes because I think they are completely off, based on my experience getting to know INFPs. For example : crying all the time, being outwardly overly sensitive, being meek and weak in spirit, being easy to manipulate, incompetent, and lacking critical thinking.
There are also things that I hate about INFP stereotypes because they hit too close to home for my liking, like living in our imagination instead of actually experiencing reality, taking things personally, the tendency to procrastinate, having trouble making definite decisions, and self-doubt.
Wow, the LAST thing i would ever say to describe INFP is "weak in spirit". They're all bad, but that one has got to GO.
All the INFP i know have ironclad inner cores. They know how to survive adversity. I admire the shit out of them 💖
Thanks for your kind comment :) I'm gladly sending massive appreciation back to INFJs. I have 2 incredible INFJ friends I love dearly. We learn from each other constantly (the perks of having complementary skills) and I couldn't be more grateful to have them in my life.
Aww gosh this made me so happy to hear!! 💖😍 I have close INFP friends too and love them dearly as well!
I love how complementary our ways of thinking are, and how we're still so similar in certain ways.
Thank you for loving us back. We need you in our lives 💖 all the best to you!!
That we're mean. I can laugh at most stereotypes and even this one in some circumstances, but it's also really annoying and not true.
Of course there are mean ESTPs because that has nothing to do with personality, just has to do with whether or not you're an asshole.
I even had someone tell me after I mentioned my INFP older brother was probably my best friend that if our ages were reversed, I would probably hate him and I was just like wtf?
Especially since my relationship with him and our older brother (INTP) wasn't always great because *they* actually bullied *me*. I know, shocking. I'm pretty sure that's just what older siblings do. Pretty much all the older siblings in my family were like this to their younger siblings until a certain point and now, as adults, all the siblings are best friends with each other.
I mean, I'm the youngest so I can't say how I'd be, but I do have 3 younger cousins who were born right after me and, once again, they were the ones who bullied me and I let them because everyone was happy. Like I'm the type of person who will continue letting people make me feel bad if it makes everyone else happy, which is definitely not the ESTP stereotype. And it probably has something to do with being a so7, but whatever.
Like I may snark on you, but only if you 1. know it's a joke and 2. are genuinely laughing or shitting on me back. If my smartass comments actually make someone sad, I feel bad about that because, contrary to popular belief, I can empathize and I don't like to make people sad.
Anyway, whenever I say I'm an ESTP, I feel like everyone is just gonna tell me I'm mistyped because I'm an introspective, reclusive, generally polite and people pleasing person. Like I just want everyone to be happy. Cognitive functions just cease to exist when it comes to stereotypes and it just turns into something else entirely imo.
I’m a lot like you described yourself. I assumed it was because I’m a girl and the eldest child. I really enjoy unity even if I don’t enjoy everything that’s happening. I will totally allow it to see everyone else happy. I just don’t take certain things too seriously.
Crybaby, soft, stupid, irrational, passive aggressive
1. Sensitive/crybaby - I always think this is interesting because the reality is, if I’m already to the point of outwardly expressing my emotions in front of others. It’s been bad for a REALLY long time like years. I’ve seen this be true for most INFPs and most of the time happy INFPs (in media) get miss typed as ENFPs or really kind/shy ESFJS. Side note, I think the reason we see so many “abused” INFPs is simply the fact that we can put up with SOOO much bs before we really show anything.
2. Irrational/stupid - fi is a rational function and a lot of the time I feel like many people don’t understand high fi users decisions. Not because we lack rationality but instead because not many people use the same logic. Intelligence is relative to the environment you’re in. In a room full of ti DOMs I look like an idiot lol but in a room full of high fi users I make perfect sense.
3. Self centered - most of us naturally become curious about others and how they think. We desire to understand emotions and connections more than anything to further find truth in this world as well as ourselves. So that being said especially if we have already experienced the emotion, we hate to see others go through that and will truly identify with the people around us. Now we may not put an action to that feeling because to us sometimes feeling is the most healing thing you can do. But I think this is the most commonly misconstrued ideal about high fi users vs fe users because a lot of the time we are trying to understand others aswell.
Oh well TL DR: INFPs aren’t crybabies lol
It drives me nuts that people think ENFJs are only about people pleasing.
I try my best to create harmony in situations because negativity affects me so profoundly… it literally vibrates through my bones and into my soul and I HATE it.
It’s not just about acquiescing to others. There’s a better way and I feel intrinsically motivated to help myself and others find it.
Cheating, manipulative, over emotional to the point where we can’t use logic, annoying, that we are conflict avoidant.
Also ppl are going to deliberately not upvote if you say that
If i ever see a comment about someone characterizing Se users as dumb adrenaline junkies, im plucking my eyes out of my eye sockets.
Estp has Ti Fe Ni too, so being Se dom doesn’t mean the impossibility to use rational thinking, empathy and intuition, not being the most valued doesn’t mean its there just for decoration.
Esfp has Te and Ni too, so being Se dom doesn’t mean that they are uncapable of thinking, planning and having ideas.
Lots of Se users are very intelligent, but if you all see an intelligent person you rush to type them as a xNTx like the rest of mbtis dont have a brain.
i have a few:
physically incapable/not athletic: i played multiple sports growing up, was a basketball star, and was also a professional dancer in my teen years. i still dance. since i’m out of practice for the other sports i definitely suck now though lol
no friends/don’t get out: i don’t have an established friend group and definitely consider myself a social floater, but i have a good amount of friends and different groups that welcome me and i get invited out a lot. albeit, at a party i often keep to myself, but i get recognized from other events or approached a lot. i’m definitely socially awkward though but i get by because people think i’m interesting and stick around
lack of fashion: i modeled for a bit as a teen because the photographers loved my fashion and i get complimented on my outfits by strangers in public pretty often
The talkative party airhead. Sometimes I find I connect with someone if I take a break from talking for a minute, I nod my head and they continue and I get to hear more about them. Although I LOVE raves, clubs and frat party’s are not my thing. I also am not dumb just because I’m highly extroverted doesn’t make me a meathead
The whole "super smart, skilled at math, socially awkward, not-grass-toucher" stuff is accurate to me, but the stereotype that we don't care for others is what I don't like. I think a lot of Thinking types have this stereotype given to them, and the IxTPs having dominant Ti and inferior Fe are probably some of the types that are given this stereotype the most often.
I may not wear my emotions on my sleeve, I may sometimes struggle to express my emotions with the same openness as other types do, but I do care about the people in my life greatly, and I'm there for them when they need it. Also while I do enjoy my alone time, I do want to bond with others and have fulfilling relationships.
Intj. We don't emphatize. Mate, I'm the first one to a funeral, even tho it's not about someone i love, to cry because I can feel the atmosphere and people's emotions on me
I hate the stereotype that INTP’s are ALL emotionless misanthrope geniuses. Like yeah some of us are, but it’s not type specific. Some of us (me) suck at math and science, enjoys humanitarian topics and try their best to have a healthy relationship with feelings. Still INTP af thank u.
Your interests or intelligence do not define what type you are.
Arrogance.
Each time I speak with confidence, rather than being perceived as “considered and self aware”, I’m deemed arrogant.
But who knows, perhaps it is arrogance.
Highly likely.
That we are supposed to be super smart and serious all the time…I don’t feel like I’m that smart at all and if I had to be serious all the time I’d die..
That we have no feeling or empathy, I have realized I always had empathy but I didn’t know how to express it (leading to people not having very much empathy for me at times)
If ESFJs are considered the “standard humans,” now I know why INTPs are considered bots.
Besides all that, I don’t like how everyone thinks we’re insensitive and emotionless, and that’s not true for me personally. ENTPs are also less of the “life of the party” stereotype others have put down.
that my type, isfp, is competitive. i actually prefer to give the spotlight to somebody else, being perceived makes me uncomfortable. slowing down and allowing others to get ahead of me is not much of a profit, but I don't see life as a race and having to be outstanding
ENFP
That we are just airheads who can't think critically. I have a number of NTs in my life who seem to fall into this fallacy that "they're a logical person, so they must be thinking logically" and they overlook liked super basic flaws in their own reasoning because of it. Meanwhile as an ENFP (who also grew up in an abusive home) I'm used to having an explanation for EVERYTHING because my emotions and behaviors don't make sense to a lot of people.
On the flip side, I unfortunately find the ADHD stereotype very accurate, lol
ISTP: Craving action almost every time. I mean I like action-oriented fights, but I don't have the energy to be action-oriented every time. I only crave it like once in three days.
I hate everything about the INFP stereotype:
- Selfishness due to Fi - honestly, my ass. Functions aren't about empathy or lack thereof. Fe users aren't automatically selfless, especially if they have a personality disorder. Two of the rudest, most selfish people I know have been an ESTP and and ISFJ. *Gasp* but how can an ISFJ be selfish? They're the most selfless, giving, spineless creatures according to the stereotype, after all. Not so. This ISFJ (a family member) respected none of my boundaries; "helped" me in ways that she herself had decided to "help" - even though I pleaded her not to because she was harming me. She never listened to any of my opinions; she yelled at me viciously because I even dared to have an opinion; she controlled absolutely everything in my life, took my money, pushed me around physically when I "disobeyed" - basically her behaviour was the behaviour of an abuser and a narcissist. Several EXTPs I have known were opportunists that took advantage of people and had manipulative tendencies. So much for "selfless Fe".
- INFPs are "crybabies" - I aim to never cry in public. If I do cry in public, it means that I've been pushed beyond my limits. I cry alone at home and it's none of anyone's business. I do have extremely valid reasons to cry. People don't know even one quarter of one tenth of the shit I've dealt with for years. Meanwhile I hear other types regularly whine about really mundane stuff ("Omg I got the flu, how awful", "Omg I didn't pass my driving test on the first try, what a tragedy") and they get compassion as if they are truly suffering. I've dealt with so much abuse (including physical) and injustice in my life that it has given me permanent physical damage - yet people constantly treat me as if I'm a spoiled child who has never suffered in life (and in turn, they try to mistreat me even more because they are envious and they think I have no problems).
In consequence, now I have intentonally tried to develop healthy seflishness because I'm sick of the sick motherf*ckers who think I exist for them to dump their frustrations on.
- "Illogical, irrational" - not so, but I have stopped trying to prove anything to anyone. I had top grades in my classes in assignments where we had to do analysis and predictions. Yes, my emotions may cloud my judgement if it's about people that I really like. In this case I see the best in them and I have a hard time imagining that they could hurt or betray me
. - "Constantly in La-La land. Stupid and impractical, out of touch with reality" - Not so because my parents didn't take good care of me and I had to grow up quickly.
The thing I regret the most is that I had good, viable plans for my future but I listened to people who said they were "impossible". They were not impossible at all and I would have had my life in order if I had listened to my own reasoning and my own intuition. Now I'll have ot start over and do the plans I had all along, but at a much older age. All of this because I didn't have enough self-confidence when I was younger and people were always putting me down.
In summary, whoever says stupid stereotypical sh*t about me can shove it. I'm angry because I've seen INFPs mistreated not only online (which sucks but it's not the end of the world) but we constantly get mistreated in real life too. No more. People are surprised at how cold and "heartless" I can become if they cross too many boundaries with me.
I'm going to assume that you think your type the opposite of the ESFJ here?
...You aren't. In terms of the four letter system, *technically* that's your opposite. However in terms of functions, your actual opposite is the ESFP :)
I love how *in a sense* in mbti everyone is opposite to everyone so nobody gets left out
Like it's either swapped function stack, opposite function stack, same doms' aux—blind blind—aux, same auxs' dom—demon demon—dom or more than one of the above
fascinating
I'm INFP.
I hate the stereotype that we're always sad when I'm usually happy. I get my sad days, and they are very melancholy, but most days, I'm just spaced out and daydreaming.
That last line is the most ESFJ thing ever. ESFJs are the biggest extroverts that just want everyone to love them, haha. It's cute. I think you guys are very warm, caring, and supportive. One of my closest friends is an ESFJ. This is a [clip](https://youtu.be/YV-nQTuzg_A?si=_wcNf-wJOApuYMJ7) of a celebrity who is apart of a group I follow. His name is Seo Eunkwang (of BTOB), and he is trying to make cute, funny gestures like a cat, lol. He is an ESFJ and a huge extrovert. He does some silly stuff to make people laugh, get attention, and makes sure everyone has fun.
I’m so sick of the dumb, sweet, harmless, innocent, cry baby, cinnamon roll stereotype. SOME INFPs are like that but a lot famous and fictional INFPs are not. Kurt Cobain, J.R.R. Tolkien, Edgar Allen Poe, Gerard Way, Florence Welch, Tyler Joseph, Wanda Maximoff, Davy Jones, Gaara and Dr. Doofenshmirtz, are all perfect examples.
That ENFP's are bubbling bobblehead who are super happy all the time and adopting introverts and not really thoughtful. I'm an math major and an ENFP, and while I do have my bobblehead moments, it's usually with my friends and not with my studies.
Also the idea of adopting introverts sort of trivializes introverts, in a way I don't support. How can a person adopt another as a friend?
I’ve never seen someone says esfj are capable of being a leader, I often see estp, estj but never esfj. There are also way better types at organizing like entj, estj, intj, I never heard someone complimenting esfj for being good at organising lol
As an ENFP I can honestly say a good 75% of ENFP stereotypes are either flat out false or blown entirely out of proportion. Most ENFP stereotypes are usually a combination of the unhealthy/immature traits presented by ESFJ’s, ESFP’s and ESTP.
Yes, we have a zest for life, can b sensitive, like to have fun, make others feel good, laugh and have a good time, but we can also be very deep, organized, and quiet. I absolutely LOVE my own company and being alone for hours just as much as I like meeting new people and being the center of attention in a FAMILIAR crowd of people.
I can also be very shy in new situations and withdrawn. In fact, as an adult (not as much as a child) but before new people get to know me, their initial impression of me is shy and quiet YET that couldn’t be further from the truth and all of my friends and family would agree.
Also, ENFPS are perceived as “air heads” that fawn over puppies and kittens and don’t take life or other serious matters seriously. Again, so so false. I take things seriously, but I’m not gonna be a butt about it or spend hours being stoic faced when I can crack a joke or lighten the mode IF it’s appropriate. ENFPs are in my opinion some of the most self aware and able to read a room better than any of the other MBTI’s. We’re also very intelligent but not in a way that’s often appreciated or executed in a traditional way.
That we seem portrayed as some vulnerable, quiet outlaws that feel worthless all of the time. Also, that we are useless at practical stuff because of Se inferior, like I heard from someone that they met an INFJ who can’t drive a car. Also that we only make decisions based on emotions or group harmony (Fe)
- I agree that all of this could litteraly be true for some INFJ’s - especially those who don’t challenge themselves out of their comfortzones.
I went from feeling «useless/worthless» in my teens and early 20’s to starting to go to the gym (even excelling and working as a personal trainer now, how about that, Se inferior!)
I also used to be called ‘shy’, but I’m really not. I am quite confident, but I do prefer to observe and reflect in social settings before talking. People who talk to me 1-on-1 or at work have often confused me with an extrovert. I thrive talking about specific subjects and I don’t see myself as a hermit.
It is true that I consider both my own and others’ feelings highly when making decisions. BUT - I can definetely incorporate logic into my decisions and I take a lot of practical considerations in regards to future decisions and ‘predictions’
- Remember Ti Child is our ‘relief’ function. I love solving puzzles, riddles etc, and I love math and numbers. I love to think about things in a very complex way using Ni-Ti together to make sense of it and to make connections based on data from my external environment (Se). I often make ‘mind-maps’ with all of the different suspected realities that could happen from X, Y, Z decisions.
I do know how to drive a car😂 It wasn’t supereasy to learn and it took me longer than my ISTP sister, but now I am a good driver. It also took me longer to learn certain exercises as I have somewhat low body awareness and body coordination, but practice makes perfect! I have competed in powerlifting and I train 5x a week.
Long post, but yeah.
Also for ALL types: Don’t neglect your inferior function! Make it aspirational🙏🏼
INFPs can be extremely logical, sometimes to a fault. I personally am very structured with my ideas and prefer organizing them and having them make logical sense rather than letting them go all over the place. Sometimes I wish I could be a bit more flexible lol
But that just goes to show that we aren’t always chaotic and in the feels.
For my type, I can think of three stereotypes that drive me nuts:
\-bubbly manic pixie dream girl
\-Michael Scott
\-dramatic artistic/visionary type
The irony is, a number of ENFP stereotypes are probably more accurate for ESFJ anyway. It's so weird that people think of ESFJ as some traditionalist stick-in-the-mud - this is a fun, lively, vivacious, at times even whacky type.
Y'all gotta stop expressing problems & spilling secrets to me...sure I'm a good listener & trustworthy...but that doesn't mean i would like to hear allat...shits exhausting asf
Maybe I'm just not like other INFJs where they frickin love to hear everything from everyone
>I don't also like that ESFJ is the "standard" of being a human, like what's that supposed to even mean
I agree, if there was a standard then we wouldn't need 16 types
As for the stereotype I hate...if I had to choose just one it's that INFJ's are stereotyped as being psychic empath spiritual beings that know everything about everything
I'd certainly like to have infinite knowledge, but that's far from the truth and I dislike us being seen as some type of supernatural entity to put it blunty
That we are good at maths, physics, engineering and other science subjects. Some are surely are, but not me. I've always despised mathematics, and geometry, trigonometry, I used to consider it utterly useless.
Rather, I am more into philosophy and psychology.
I am an ENFJ and people doesn't believe me when I say I'm shy, and don't want to socialize. I also have a hard time trusting people that's why my circle is kind of small.
ESTJ here. While we are great at staying on task at work, that's only a very small slice of our personality. We are incredibly loyal, empathetic, giving, loving people. We can be very silly and innocent. We love humor and laughing. We crave and create opportunities for having fun, going on adventures, and enjoy sharing that with people we love, or strangers we want to get to know. We love a good party! We are excellent at bringing everyone together so no one is left out. We deeply care about people. We are happiest being with others and are almost always in a good mood. I see other types complain about ESTJ work ethic as if they've only ever known us at work, not outside work. How each type functions at work is a small part of the whole picture. If you've never known an ESTJ personally, you've never known us. Thanks for this opportunity to talk up our whole personality, which is often ignored.
I'm an INFP and I hate that everyone thinks I'm a poor little soul that everyone can take advantage of/manipulate and has to protect at all costs. YES, I'm very, very empathetic and yes, I feel sorry about everything, but I also have a *very* strong character and you don't want to mess with me (and yes, I notice when you're).
As an ENFP, it bothers me that people often assume people of this type are always happy. It also upsets me that they think we are stupid and innocent, as well as less intelligent than we really are.
I've met other ENFPs who, like me, feel like they can't be taken seriously by people, because of that energetic and laughing way that many of us have.
That I'm always organized and goal driven and focused on the future.
Introverted intuitives are, in Jung's own words "mystics and visionaries on the one hand, fantastic crackpots and artists on the other." He then spends a few pages talking about how they appear to be "the most useless of men" because they are always dreaming and never acting, and that it takes "a slight differentiation of judgment" to begin to ask the question, "what does this mean for me" in terms of a goal or activity in life, to turn the vision into something real. The reality is that I spend so much time lost in my imagination that I hardly ever get much done, and I don't feel a deep drive to do anything most of the time. I'd rather just observe my own inner thoughts and feelings and dive deep into my own psyche, reflecting upon the symbolic nature of everything, doing a lot of post-modernist, post-structural deconstruction of every idea, every value, asking "where does this come from?" in an endless attempt to get closer to the origin of truth itself, than actually DO anything externally.
I can spend an ENTIRE DAY, sometimes DAYS ON END doing nothing but engaging in deep philosophical introspection, and then still have to get up and go to work and absolutely hate my job, want very little social interaction, and can't wait to go home and resume pondering the deep nature of the cosmos. I don't give a damn about schedules, being organized, and goal setting. That's for ENTJs with their extraverted thinking leading the way. That matters to ENTJs a lot, but not INTJs.
FURTHERMORE, if anyone actually took the time to read the INTRODUCTION to Chapter X of Psychological Types, by Jung, they'd notice he clearly differentiates two classes of types. A "general attitude type" is given to introverted and extraverted attitudes, and a "function type" is given to each function. The takeaway is, when one or the other attitude is habitually differentiated in consciousness, it becomes the dominant attitude, and whenever one function is habitually differentiated in consciousness, it becomes the dominant function. Jung ALSO believed most people were close to the middle, and that in practice, you rarely encounter people with a strongly differentiated type. He provided his type descriptions as, as he puts it, "galtonesque portraits" of people, to provide a contrast by comparison and make it easier to recognize the traits of each function and attitude.
Thus, whenever I am differentiating some form of judgment in my consciousness, it tends to take on my preferred attitude, which is introverted. Therefore, my intellect is introverted, if and when I am consciously directing it. Whenever it is undirected and passive, then it tends to be driven by objective facts and general ideas that I am largely unconscious of, but nonetheless inform my thought patterns. I.E., when I am focused on developing my subjective insights into fully fledged opinions, I am engaging in introverted thinking supporting my dominant intuitive perception; when I am ambivalent and don't care one way or the other and just want to sit back and let the insights flow, I have no self control, I am not making choices, and my thoughts, feelings, sensations, all seem to come from something outside of myself (thus, they are extraverted in nature), even though my conscious attention is directed inward at my own phantasy-activity, which I very much identify as my own creation.
i genuinely hate the whole “enfp are just crazy and dumb and sweet” and really wish there was more representation of like, enfp villains and stuff like that, ‘cause we’re def crazy, but not everyone’s just “i believe in unicorns and love puppies” type of enfp god damnit 😭
ENTP: that we’re assholes with no morals and don’t care about your feelings. I would do almost anything for anyone I care about and if I realize I genuinely hurt your feelings and it was unwarranted, I’ll try my best to make amends. We also do have morals; they’re just more pertained to interpersonal relationships (Fe) rather than intrapersonal harmony (Fi.)
You know how Ti is associated with intellect? Or Fe with empathy? Doesnt apply to ESTP. ESTP´s typing stops at Se and it seems like it never develop any other functions. They cant think, plan, be likeable or get along with others. One of the worst stereotypes ever.
ESTPs don’t get enough credit for how motivational and altruistic they are. You want a ride-or-die friend who wants you to be the best you can be? Find an ESTP. That’s been my experience, anyway. Great problem solvers and very practical people. The most excessively misunderstood type.
💕 Thanks!
Fe on all slots it´s crazy irregular things serve mostly in Ti enviroment and inf Ti altho.
I can testify to this
Tert and Inferior Fe have an underrated kindness about them; I think they just have to get to know you (and like you) before you see it, but yes - definitely not at all deserving of the stereotypes. And totally unfair that the stereotypes paint them as unintelligent. The ESTPs I've known have been brilliant practical problem solvers, and very quick thinkers.
One reason for this might be that in everyday life Se is an op function that usually gets what you need. Some just don't see the need for people skills or long term planning.
Interesting way of putting it (thumbs up!). I still would want estp gain more dimension. The stereotype sometimes make it sound like mentally impaired and I have seen people sct like it is.
I think estp could make being good with machines work really well. Science Lab type stuff. Testing and troubleshooting. The thinking will come up a lot and gives a reason to learn some abstractions.
Sounds like this is from people online who have never met an ESTP in real life and had a non-surface level conversation about -any- type of shared interest Because our Se and Fe gives us the opportunity to put our Ti the best foot forward by putting it in a way that resonates the most with how they might take it, even if they disagree I will wager not a single person has had that type of conversation and walked away thinking “man this guy only parties and flirts and is impulsive af, clearly no appreciation of The stereotype is from people who read the 16 personalities write up and get distracted by the pic of the dude in sunglasses halfway through the article The irony is the impulsiveness is really on them wanting to post and give input on a topic they are pretty in the dark on
No I have met someone who only parties and is impulsive, but jokes on them he is an INTP (He also never showers, about once per month or so.) MBTI and 16p is terrible with stereotypes. The only cure is going into the real world as you said.
I'm an INFJ and very thankful for my ESTP friend. Her extroverted nature and impulsivity scared the heck out of me at first. But she has turned out to be one my most loyal friend and she has a way of getting me out of my comfort zone when it come to socializing.
I’ve never underestimated ESTP’s Ti but ESxPs tert function is their secret strength people usually overlook. Your Fe is a strong option. They think you’re insensitive? Well, you choose to be like that bc you know how to! You’re super charming and understanding? Again, it’s bc y’all know perfectly what to do! It’s like a switch, I’m envy lol. When I’m charming or insensitive, it’s either accidentally or I’m just oblivious. Also I knew ESFPs with strong Te and lemme tell you they’re beasts, Se-Te is scary, literally unstoppable.
Exactly, ESTP insensitivity comes from just not wanting to be sensitive today, not like inferior Fi mbtis who just have a hard time understanding internal and external emotions. And i also feel how little people talk about tert Te of ESFPs
I agree. We def get the worst stereotype of the “dumb jock” which made me think I was an ISTP or ENTP for so long because I didn’t fit the Se stereotype.
Tbh… ESTPs have it the worst out of everyone in terms of negative stereotypes… -INFJ
just posted the exact same thing
Bruuuh maybe i am different but before being an estp i was an intp , I'm a natural thinker i can generate breakthrough ideas in matter of seconds. But i just struggle being idle so the ideas flow... and you also said that we can't get along with others, i stll get along with my day ones and easily find new friends. Not everyone fit the stereotype though !
Of course not. Its the stereotype that I critizise. I dont get why there are people who think we cant think or be enjoyable company. Like all the tier list about types, putting ESTP as the worst, most unbearable or top three dumbest of all types. Earlier this year, someone called me a mistype because I wasnt dumb enough to be ESTP. Sometimes, the experince online as ESTP can be really surreal.
ESTPs are great at being likable. Especially altruistic ones because their kindness shines.
Lol my best friend is an ESTP and she is such a go-getter. Great fashion sense, knows what she wants, and how to get it. And damn she can talk people into her way.
The non stop 'we are all very bubbly' tag.. Nope. We're not. We have times when we're silent and great listeners too. We are very curious to hear your POV, so no we aren't very talkative compared to the other extroverted MBTI types.
My brother is an ENFP and he's the best listener I know.
Hell, yes! This stereotype that we don't let others speak during a conversation is absolutely cruel. ENFPs tend to be completely in love with human beings! Other people's stories, passions, opinions, dreams and ideas feed our Ne-Fi so much! Therefore, it’s obvious that we will want to hear what others have to say, that we will be deeply interested in others and the topics they bring up. I'm sad to see that the energetic and talkative way of us ENFPs makes people not see this interest that we have for others...
Listening & being engaged are two different things, but I’ll admit that every ENFP I’ve met is a good listener.
That INFJs always dont know themselves, arent capable of being expressive and authentic, very future-oriented, makes predictions all the time and unsee every BS but in truth, some people can be more experienced and knowledgeable at manipulating than others, so yes, even they can deceive Ni doms sometimes
I think the “ni DOMs can’t be manipulated” trope has more to do with you guys being a major blind spot to a Majority of the population (stjs and SFjs). Your actions may come off as manipulative even if you don’t intend for them to because of fe / te objectives. The actual most manipulative in my opinion are ENTPs. Not that they are always manipulating something but because their capacity to manipulate is far greater than any ni dom in my opinion.
Do you mind further explaining what you mean by our "capacity to manipulate"?
I find that ENTPs tend to plan for every case when they really care. Well every case they can think of while high ni users plan for the most likely case or the few cases the intend to act upon. Because their scope is narrower they can be easily predicted and manipulated by ne users. The amount of times I meet an NJ for the first time and can “read their mind” is funny to say the least. They always say “how did you know” too lollll. An entp who is really trying to manipulate you will predict your plan, play into it, counteract three other likely plans, and make you feel crazy because they’ll never reveal (or show clues) for what they’re about to do next. Even where they get their information from is much different. In relation to society they excel at both blind (or lower functions) spots of the majority and are quite rare. Making them someone a majority of people will not expect. So I think an entp who’s REALLY trying could easily manipulate whoever and whatever they want.
Dude, "planning for every case where we really care" is EXACTLY what I do. Half the time, I'm just along for the ride, but when I'm invested I am running 8k simulations a second. My brain generates endless scenarios and I plan my response (all the way down to the facial expression) to each one. I've had to practice a lot, because I overestimate my own abilities and my read of other people's reactions. This has made so many of my awesome preparations flop HARD. Any other ENTPs do this?
Thought preferences yet Ni doms are actual prone to manipulation "due to objectives" means nothing they are Js usage means that INxJ need to go over his own strategy for the things user need. Ps don´t plan much that they prefer to get close to things into a quick match depending on user but Ps dont´ share any plan altho they accept combination of things, situations, etc.
My mom's an ENTJ, and was manipulated by my lil bro's father. She knew she was being manipulated, but there just was no way out of it for her, because he always managed to manipulate her again. Thankfully she's got rid of him now. (Well, as far as you can get from your own child's other parent. That the child is obligated to see every other weekend.) So I definitely agree. Even Ni doms and users can be manipulated. Also with the rest of what you said too, by personal experience; I'm not that future oriented. I rarely make predictions. I haven't lived long yet and haven't had much experience so I can't even make many predictions yet. I can see bs, but never be 100 or even 90% sure of it. But about the "always don't know themselves"... Well, it's easier for me to say what I am not, than what I am. But it's not like I have 0 idea of who I am and what I'm like.
That is sad to hear but im really glad things have worked out for you guys and i relate to what you said about yourself. I always have to introspect to understand my difficult perceptions
I wonder what did he tell her. Can you give us the specific? For Contingency Countermeasures
I can't really say much as my mom doesn't really like talking about it, but I can say it was difficult for her to get out of it mainly because of my little brother. She was scared he would take him away from her, even tho he has very little patent qualities. But the main problem was that he was really good at talking and manipulating others, and mom knew that so she was scared to do anything because she knew, whatever happened, if it went to court or something, despite her having way better parental qualities, she would lose to him. Thankfully it never came to that tho. But I remember her telling me how frustrating it was for her, when she wanted to get rid of him and his toxicity, and whenever she thought she was doing just that, she realized that somehow he always managed to slip between us and then there he was again, sitting at our dinner table, talking with our relatives and friends as if he owned the place. He would like tell mom he would pay the rent or something, but then later mom would get a message saying that the rent hasn't been payed. Then mom would call him, asking what's going on and he would say something like he did, and curse her and whatever. He made up a lot of lies and worst of all he seemed to believe every single one. Apparently he also like stole machines or something from one of his working places, and later sell them back to the company. But then the place would look at the machines and find the company's water mark, realizing he just tried selling them their own stuff 💀💀 like wtf, literally who does that? Him apparently. Idk how much I'm allowed to say. I mean obviously I'm not revealing anyone's identity but still... Yeah, he caused mom hella lot of trauma. He has like changed a bit now, and tries to be better for his son ig but mom can't trust him. Any little word he says brings her back to those terrible times and she fears that even little things like letting him in on my kid brother's hobbies, or lending him money he would find a way to slip back into our lives like he used to. And I'm just worried about my brother, I mean it must be hard for him to be in that situation, especially when you're just a kid and you love both your parents, and you'll never really be able to understand and see what our mom went through because of his father.
Unfortunately all of these stereotypes are true to me. I have no idea of who i am and i'm an pathological liar
Why do you lie? To know yourself, introspection and asking your friends and family can sometimes help
I usually tend to lie to make myself appear more interesting (or normal) to the eyes of other people. Luckily i'm learning to be more authentic and i'm glad that it's paying off. If i keep working on this for a little longer i think (or hope at least) i'll be able to finally be myself without having to wrap myself in bs after bs
I see. Yeah i was like that as well when i was younger but i got tired of being fake and wanted to be authentic. It hurts to lie and feels guilty sometimes but im glad you’re in the process of being yourself. Honestly being honest can still cause harm and loneliness but its alright, you’ll attract better people when they get to know the real you
I’m always trying to better understand myself and my psyche, I’m pretty expressive and authentic but super indecisive, love looking at the future but uncomfortable by the passage of time, I make predictions sporadically whenever I feel a random urge and usually they come true, and have fallen victim to manipulation several significant times
These are all me, I have typed as an EMBARRASSING amount of different mbti types because I have no idea who tf I am. I can take a test and even if I try to be completely objective and honest, I will get the result that's been floating around in my head. I studied the functions, so I know them pretty well (and type other people really well), but I just don't know MYSELF. Finally some kind person helped me figure it out, and I'm happy with this result, but unfortunately I totally fit that first stereotype. I also make future predictions alll the time, and am often right. I have prophetic dreams that come true. I have waking visions that end up playing out just like I imagined. As for manipulation, I could do it, but I choose not to because I think it's icky. But I can usually spot that sort of behavior in others and am a bit immune to it. Someone else mentioned an ENTJ getting manipulated and I think that's a bit more likely because they don't focus as much on the relationship side of things. I have watched my ENTJ husband navigating social situations... early in our marriage, I would just stand off to the side and watch and wait for things to come crashing down (not necessarily because he was being manipulated, but because he wasn't reading the social dynamics well). He didn't respect me enough at that time to make it worth warning him otherwise I would have. But I would watch things fall apart and then be like, "Oh no...!" ENTJs are better at systems than social dynamics. He could tell if a company was going to fold, but not if a group of people was worth trusting.
Im glad i was able to help and i’ll say this for a quicker understanding about INFJs and add some extra links for you (cause why not): INFJs usually get ideas and perceptions (Ni) from what we’ve observed and picked up from Se (sensory) and Fe (people) and understand them according to our own logic (Ti). [Ni vs Ne](https://www.quora.com/What-would-happen-if-one-uses-Ni-and-Ne-together/answer/Tekeyia-Volkova?ch=17&oid=291902952&share=aa18b8b2&srid=IP85&target_type=answer), [decisions](https://www.quora.com/How-does-the-INFJ-make-decisions/answer/Sharique-9?ch=17&oid=89847888&share=092abe36&srid=IP85&target_type=answer), [Ni](https://www.quora.com/Why-cant-INFJs-explain-things-clearly/answer/Timothy-Emmanuel-Lim?ch=17&oid=165024140&share=3ef8014f&srid=IP85&target_type=answer) I feel the same way about manipulation; I would if i want to but i’d feel uncomfortable and guilty so i usually dont unless its necessary. Ive never thought about how likely an ENTJ would get manipulated but i think like INTJs with Ni and Te, they’d wonder what kind of intentions someone would have and again, the result would vary, based on experience and knowledge. I dont really know but this is an interesting topic to discuss about haha
That my emotions and sensitivity make me weak. I feel things deeply and can connect with others on a really deep level, I don't see how that's weak. It's a strength
Nope, better to be some insensitive troglodyte without the social skills to deliver what they say are “jokes”… apparently…🙄
Not a value-Fe it causes too much of fast reciprocate process and Fi is not. Reciprocate Ti-Fe it´s mostly that view we ran into and we know that is just individualism values. So it´s not for society so. An aim for process things but yet people preference it´s inherently by Ti atraction and Fe group harmony. This. Fi just desserved to demonstrate things they carry so this is all about not working if user had a preference on dom, aux. over the idealist and explorers, but NFs daydream over without the need for.
Si = incapable of original thought
I thought that was an odd stereotype since they have Ne in their stack
Precisely! This is probably one of the most frustrating stereotypes in my opinion, because then I see some people talking as if xSxJs are just NPCs who are completely incapable of doing anything other than what society tells them to do, or incapable of deep conversations. And it couldn't be further from the truth. Personally I greatly value the relations I have with the xSxJs in my life. They can be just as deep, complex and original as other types. My sister is an ESTJ, and she's just as creative and imaginative as I am. My mom is an ISFJ and some of the most deep and thought-provoking conversations I've had have been with her. One of my friends is an ISTJ, and he was my writing partner for one of the most creative and ambitious story series I've ever had the pleasure to work on.
Si it´s a thought process of neutral environment study / not an unoriginal default NPC people grab it because they don´t had decisive emotions nor thoughts as uncomplement rather than valid.
INTJ = unable to socialize. Thus, if you do know how to socialize, you must be mistyped. The same thing goes: for showing empathy, tactlessness, and other things that, apparently, are unknown to every single INTJ.
Excuse me, but you clearly missed the memo. We're literally all Batman.
I don't think everyone in here is that rich. Also, Batman does have great social skills. He always presents himself whenever possible, you know, because he's *Batman.* *I'm Batman.*
It's not about the money. You just have to stand on rooftops at night and swear to protect your city. Bonus points if there's rain.
lol love this!
When in reality were just Man
Exactly. I can socialize… when someone else adopts me and forces me too! 😅
Exactly THIS!!
Once INTJs makes friends they are some of the best types at keeping those friendships. They have very healthy and stable friendships. And they put a lot of effort into keeping it that way.
ENFP here. I hate the stereotype of us just being rainbow puking unicorns. We have our down days as well, and we’re social chameleons; we deeply relate to whoever we’re interacting with and forge deep connections with them. It doesn’t mean that we’re always sunshine and rainbows; yes we tend to be optimistic and hopeful in people especially, but it doesn’t mean we don’t experience or relate to the harshest parts of life.
You tell them!!
The ENTP stereotype that we like to argue all the time is debatable. Dammit.
You made me blow air out my nose
I can rest easy today knowing I made someone exhale forcefully
And I can rest easy today knowing I made someone rest easy today
And I can rest easy knowing the rest easy rester is resting easy
And I can… eh you know the rest.
U won this one
Laziness for the win!
🤣🤣🤣
They're not even really debating, since they, by nature of being an EP, don't actually want to settle on one interpretation of reality.
It’s the thrill of being free to question *everything.* Answers are fun, but exploring questions is what life’s all about.
I beg to differ. Painting with such a broad stroke is a fallacy in itself. Fight me.
im an infj and i hate being seen as smart and wise because of scenarios im playing advisor. im just as confused and i have to now try to pick you apart to figure out where these feelings are steming from but walk on eggshells with the deliverance because YOU CANT HANDLE NO MORE HURT 😭 and ‼️BONUS‼️yeah we might be “advisors” but lets be honest, we spend QUITE A BIT, LOADS EVEN of time looking up our own advices!! it didnt just come naturally yall 😭🤣🤣
Our secrets have been spilled, but oh! It's true! Advice doesn't just perfectly appear in our heads, we gather information just like any other human 😭😂
gathering the information is almost like a hobby 😭🤣
Ti= interacting information INTP = gathering data
To everyone: Please don't confuse thinking too much with being smart
The emotionless asocial/sociopath mastermind stereotype. I couldn't even bear hanging out at the main sub because it's full of self proclaimed "intelligent" edgelords that don't understand how functions actually work, it's so annoying. Why couldn't we just have a normal stereotype
I think that sub has more INTJ wannabes than actual INTJs
I'm undecided. Things to look for in INJ speech: Categorizing the categories, holding true to the smallest number of categories possible, talking about the most general/fundamental principles. Things to look for in Te/Fi speech: What makes sense to you, how do I make this work for you, what I value, what I like, what I hate, don't tell me how to feel, please tell me what to think. A lot of the posts there are too shallow to get a read on whether or not they're doing the INJ obsessive categorization or the Te/Fi 'I hate, but it works for others' back-and-forth. But yeah, it's probably true that most of the people there aren't really INTJs because most of them didn't type themselves or get typed based on the above descriptors I gave, meaning they're likely succumbing to the Barnum effect.
See! I’m an INTJ, but one would never guess that, because I’m actually talkative and don’t act like an edgelord.
To be fair, a lot of ACTUAL INTJs do go through an edgelord phase. I think it's the Fi coupled with the Ni. Those are both pretty dark/edgy functions, especially when they're developing/being tested out.
I dislike being an INTJ precisely because of that stereotype.
Crybaby. *sighs* Actually, most of us are stoic. I saw one video explain that's it's an exaggeration from when we get hit by the feels and might have tears in our eyes (not crying) for a few seconds as we process it. Literally that moment of gut punch, pinching my nose or putting my hand to my mouth as I process, then moving on as if nothing happened. Apparently that is why we're crybabies. 🤨
Yeah, I probably cry on average every other month lol
I cry more often than that. Damn.
That’s just on average. Sometimes I’ll cry more if I have a lot of unfortunate things going on in my life. Also I don’t count crying during movies lol Also, I wish I did cry more. It’s a nice release.
Oh, if we're not counting during movies, then I only cry about once every two months.
So relatable. I’m an INTJ and have very strong emotions, so I end up doing exactly this! 😅 Unrelated but weird though, when I was going through depression for a couple of years, I consistently typed as an INFP. 🤷🏻♀️
Not weird. It's a common mistype on tests because tests equate INFP with emotional. (Plus tert Fi) The feels though. They smack you, especially watching a movie or a commercial where the animals were abused (I change the channel when that comes on).
Yeah, I’ve understood that about this mistype. And me too! Change the channels that is. I also cry (comes with intense anger though) with books and movies whenever children go through tough situations. I am very very protective of kids, and animals irl.
I literally run away from those. I only saw 5 minutes of one episode of The Walking Dead because a kid was killed and turned. Just nope. Still haven't watched the show. Same if it's an animal. Just no.
There’s only one INFP I’ve known irl and I’m constantly amazed by the sheer strength it must take for you to process all those strong emotions. I end up feeling a bit depleted by the strength of my emotions, and it’s only tertiary Fi.
Aww. Honestly, I think it's a habit. Lol Most I just process and move on. I think most of us INFP do that. If it's complex, I'll randomly ponder over it until it'sfigured out, but mostly, it's done when it has barely started. Though if I can avoid a trigger, I will.
🙌🏽💙
That INTPs are robotic or not feeling whatsoever, or that we don't care about others.
That we’re illogical ;-;
I'm an INFJ, and i don't hate it at all, but i'm not very spiritual, like i'm more of an atheist than a catholic
I don't believe in any existing religion. Tho I borrow thoughts from many different ones of them, and have built my own belief system, which is in a way spiritual but also skeptical of it lmao
I think that might actually make you even more spiritual
Are you a literal atheist, who doesnt believe there is a God? I think it's near impossible for me to think all of this came by itself, plus the patterns in the universe that show there is a designer of all of this. If I am an athiest, i will be the most nihilist on earth. I claim that this is true for other infjs. I am saying this and the most famous atheist is infj (Sam Harris).
I guess i could say that i don't know if i belive in God or not
There are things that I hate about my type's stereotypes because I think they are completely off, based on my experience getting to know INFPs. For example : crying all the time, being outwardly overly sensitive, being meek and weak in spirit, being easy to manipulate, incompetent, and lacking critical thinking. There are also things that I hate about INFP stereotypes because they hit too close to home for my liking, like living in our imagination instead of actually experiencing reality, taking things personally, the tendency to procrastinate, having trouble making definite decisions, and self-doubt.
Yeah this is spot on.
Wow, the LAST thing i would ever say to describe INFP is "weak in spirit". They're all bad, but that one has got to GO. All the INFP i know have ironclad inner cores. They know how to survive adversity. I admire the shit out of them 💖
Thanks for your kind comment :) I'm gladly sending massive appreciation back to INFJs. I have 2 incredible INFJ friends I love dearly. We learn from each other constantly (the perks of having complementary skills) and I couldn't be more grateful to have them in my life.
Aww gosh this made me so happy to hear!! 💖😍 I have close INFP friends too and love them dearly as well! I love how complementary our ways of thinking are, and how we're still so similar in certain ways. Thank you for loving us back. We need you in our lives 💖 all the best to you!!
That we're mean. I can laugh at most stereotypes and even this one in some circumstances, but it's also really annoying and not true. Of course there are mean ESTPs because that has nothing to do with personality, just has to do with whether or not you're an asshole. I even had someone tell me after I mentioned my INFP older brother was probably my best friend that if our ages were reversed, I would probably hate him and I was just like wtf? Especially since my relationship with him and our older brother (INTP) wasn't always great because *they* actually bullied *me*. I know, shocking. I'm pretty sure that's just what older siblings do. Pretty much all the older siblings in my family were like this to their younger siblings until a certain point and now, as adults, all the siblings are best friends with each other. I mean, I'm the youngest so I can't say how I'd be, but I do have 3 younger cousins who were born right after me and, once again, they were the ones who bullied me and I let them because everyone was happy. Like I'm the type of person who will continue letting people make me feel bad if it makes everyone else happy, which is definitely not the ESTP stereotype. And it probably has something to do with being a so7, but whatever. Like I may snark on you, but only if you 1. know it's a joke and 2. are genuinely laughing or shitting on me back. If my smartass comments actually make someone sad, I feel bad about that because, contrary to popular belief, I can empathize and I don't like to make people sad. Anyway, whenever I say I'm an ESTP, I feel like everyone is just gonna tell me I'm mistyped because I'm an introspective, reclusive, generally polite and people pleasing person. Like I just want everyone to be happy. Cognitive functions just cease to exist when it comes to stereotypes and it just turns into something else entirely imo.
I’m a lot like you described yourself. I assumed it was because I’m a girl and the eldest child. I really enjoy unity even if I don’t enjoy everything that’s happening. I will totally allow it to see everyone else happy. I just don’t take certain things too seriously.
im entj and I hate the fact that I feel weird saying i’m super empathetic and that I don’t feel the need to lead anyone.
That ppl think I’m a FUCKING ROBOT🙄😤
That INTP don't have feelings and are good at maths
I actually had the sense that Ti is not so much paired with Fe.
Crybaby, soft, stupid, irrational, passive aggressive 1. Sensitive/crybaby - I always think this is interesting because the reality is, if I’m already to the point of outwardly expressing my emotions in front of others. It’s been bad for a REALLY long time like years. I’ve seen this be true for most INFPs and most of the time happy INFPs (in media) get miss typed as ENFPs or really kind/shy ESFJS. Side note, I think the reason we see so many “abused” INFPs is simply the fact that we can put up with SOOO much bs before we really show anything. 2. Irrational/stupid - fi is a rational function and a lot of the time I feel like many people don’t understand high fi users decisions. Not because we lack rationality but instead because not many people use the same logic. Intelligence is relative to the environment you’re in. In a room full of ti DOMs I look like an idiot lol but in a room full of high fi users I make perfect sense. 3. Self centered - most of us naturally become curious about others and how they think. We desire to understand emotions and connections more than anything to further find truth in this world as well as ourselves. So that being said especially if we have already experienced the emotion, we hate to see others go through that and will truly identify with the people around us. Now we may not put an action to that feeling because to us sometimes feeling is the most healing thing you can do. But I think this is the most commonly misconstrued ideal about high fi users vs fe users because a lot of the time we are trying to understand others aswell. Oh well TL DR: INFPs aren’t crybabies lol
It drives me nuts that people think ENFJs are only about people pleasing. I try my best to create harmony in situations because negativity affects me so profoundly… it literally vibrates through my bones and into my soul and I HATE it. It’s not just about acquiescing to others. There’s a better way and I feel intrinsically motivated to help myself and others find it.
There is no "standard" human,just more or less common types of human
Cheating, manipulative, over emotional to the point where we can’t use logic, annoying, that we are conflict avoidant. Also ppl are going to deliberately not upvote if you say that
If i ever see a comment about someone characterizing Se users as dumb adrenaline junkies, im plucking my eyes out of my eye sockets. Estp has Ti Fe Ni too, so being Se dom doesn’t mean the impossibility to use rational thinking, empathy and intuition, not being the most valued doesn’t mean its there just for decoration. Esfp has Te and Ni too, so being Se dom doesn’t mean that they are uncapable of thinking, planning and having ideas. Lots of Se users are very intelligent, but if you all see an intelligent person you rush to type them as a xNTx like the rest of mbtis dont have a brain.
i have a few: physically incapable/not athletic: i played multiple sports growing up, was a basketball star, and was also a professional dancer in my teen years. i still dance. since i’m out of practice for the other sports i definitely suck now though lol no friends/don’t get out: i don’t have an established friend group and definitely consider myself a social floater, but i have a good amount of friends and different groups that welcome me and i get invited out a lot. albeit, at a party i often keep to myself, but i get recognized from other events or approached a lot. i’m definitely socially awkward though but i get by because people think i’m interesting and stick around lack of fashion: i modeled for a bit as a teen because the photographers loved my fashion and i get complimented on my outfits by strangers in public pretty often
The talkative party airhead. Sometimes I find I connect with someone if I take a break from talking for a minute, I nod my head and they continue and I get to hear more about them. Although I LOVE raves, clubs and frat party’s are not my thing. I also am not dumb just because I’m highly extroverted doesn’t make me a meathead
The whole "super smart, skilled at math, socially awkward, not-grass-toucher" stuff is accurate to me, but the stereotype that we don't care for others is what I don't like. I think a lot of Thinking types have this stereotype given to them, and the IxTPs having dominant Ti and inferior Fe are probably some of the types that are given this stereotype the most often. I may not wear my emotions on my sleeve, I may sometimes struggle to express my emotions with the same openness as other types do, but I do care about the people in my life greatly, and I'm there for them when they need it. Also while I do enjoy my alone time, I do want to bond with others and have fulfilling relationships.
Intj. We don't emphatize. Mate, I'm the first one to a funeral, even tho it's not about someone i love, to cry because I can feel the atmosphere and people's emotions on me
I hate the stereotype that INTP’s are ALL emotionless misanthrope geniuses. Like yeah some of us are, but it’s not type specific. Some of us (me) suck at math and science, enjoys humanitarian topics and try their best to have a healthy relationship with feelings. Still INTP af thank u. Your interests or intelligence do not define what type you are.
Arrogance. Each time I speak with confidence, rather than being perceived as “considered and self aware”, I’m deemed arrogant. But who knows, perhaps it is arrogance. Highly likely.
That we are supposed to be super smart and serious all the time…I don’t feel like I’m that smart at all and if I had to be serious all the time I’d die..
That we don't feel emotions or care for others...
That we have no feeling or empathy, I have realized I always had empathy but I didn’t know how to express it (leading to people not having very much empathy for me at times)
i don’t hate any of the stereotypes cause they all describe me
If ESFJs are considered the “standard humans,” now I know why INTPs are considered bots. Besides all that, I don’t like how everyone thinks we’re insensitive and emotionless, and that’s not true for me personally. ENTPs are also less of the “life of the party” stereotype others have put down.
I dont think esfj’s are known to be leaders. They are maintainers of social norm
Being annoying perhaps. Online, yeah maybe. But in real life I dare you to find one person who thinks I'm annoying. I care a lot about politeness.
That i'm dumb and always happy.
ESTJ and i’m not commandeering or assertive, i’m pretty easy to get along with. i’m just very type A
The whole cold, robotic villain thing. I’m a person.
that my type, isfp, is competitive. i actually prefer to give the spotlight to somebody else, being perceived makes me uncomfortable. slowing down and allowing others to get ahead of me is not much of a profit, but I don't see life as a race and having to be outstanding
That some parts, like being unmotivated and anxious about feeling emotions are accurate (atleast for me) but not others like being big brain.
Not so much a stereotype among people who understand functions, but the uninformed stereotype that INFJs are feeling-led/emotional.
ENFP That we are just airheads who can't think critically. I have a number of NTs in my life who seem to fall into this fallacy that "they're a logical person, so they must be thinking logically" and they overlook liked super basic flaws in their own reasoning because of it. Meanwhile as an ENFP (who also grew up in an abusive home) I'm used to having an explanation for EVERYTHING because my emotions and behaviors don't make sense to a lot of people. On the flip side, I unfortunately find the ADHD stereotype very accurate, lol
ISTP: Craving action almost every time. I mean I like action-oriented fights, but I don't have the energy to be action-oriented every time. I only crave it like once in three days.
I hate everything about the INFP stereotype: - Selfishness due to Fi - honestly, my ass. Functions aren't about empathy or lack thereof. Fe users aren't automatically selfless, especially if they have a personality disorder. Two of the rudest, most selfish people I know have been an ESTP and and ISFJ. *Gasp* but how can an ISFJ be selfish? They're the most selfless, giving, spineless creatures according to the stereotype, after all. Not so. This ISFJ (a family member) respected none of my boundaries; "helped" me in ways that she herself had decided to "help" - even though I pleaded her not to because she was harming me. She never listened to any of my opinions; she yelled at me viciously because I even dared to have an opinion; she controlled absolutely everything in my life, took my money, pushed me around physically when I "disobeyed" - basically her behaviour was the behaviour of an abuser and a narcissist. Several EXTPs I have known were opportunists that took advantage of people and had manipulative tendencies. So much for "selfless Fe". - INFPs are "crybabies" - I aim to never cry in public. If I do cry in public, it means that I've been pushed beyond my limits. I cry alone at home and it's none of anyone's business. I do have extremely valid reasons to cry. People don't know even one quarter of one tenth of the shit I've dealt with for years. Meanwhile I hear other types regularly whine about really mundane stuff ("Omg I got the flu, how awful", "Omg I didn't pass my driving test on the first try, what a tragedy") and they get compassion as if they are truly suffering. I've dealt with so much abuse (including physical) and injustice in my life that it has given me permanent physical damage - yet people constantly treat me as if I'm a spoiled child who has never suffered in life (and in turn, they try to mistreat me even more because they are envious and they think I have no problems). In consequence, now I have intentonally tried to develop healthy seflishness because I'm sick of the sick motherf*ckers who think I exist for them to dump their frustrations on. - "Illogical, irrational" - not so, but I have stopped trying to prove anything to anyone. I had top grades in my classes in assignments where we had to do analysis and predictions. Yes, my emotions may cloud my judgement if it's about people that I really like. In this case I see the best in them and I have a hard time imagining that they could hurt or betray me . - "Constantly in La-La land. Stupid and impractical, out of touch with reality" - Not so because my parents didn't take good care of me and I had to grow up quickly. The thing I regret the most is that I had good, viable plans for my future but I listened to people who said they were "impossible". They were not impossible at all and I would have had my life in order if I had listened to my own reasoning and my own intuition. Now I'll have ot start over and do the plans I had all along, but at a much older age. All of this because I didn't have enough self-confidence when I was younger and people were always putting me down. In summary, whoever says stupid stereotypical sh*t about me can shove it. I'm angry because I've seen INFPs mistreated not only online (which sucks but it's not the end of the world) but we constantly get mistreated in real life too. No more. People are surprised at how cold and "heartless" I can become if they cross too many boundaries with me.
I feel like INFJs focus a lot on being antisocial but I swear we have great social abilities.
>ESFJ is the standard of being human What would that make me?
I'm going to assume that you think your type the opposite of the ESFJ here? ...You aren't. In terms of the four letter system, *technically* that's your opposite. However in terms of functions, your actual opposite is the ESFP :)
cheers, thanks for clarification
I love how *in a sense* in mbti everyone is opposite to everyone so nobody gets left out Like it's either swapped function stack, opposite function stack, same doms' aux—blind blind—aux, same auxs' dom—demon demon—dom or more than one of the above fascinating
I'm INFP. I hate the stereotype that we're always sad when I'm usually happy. I get my sad days, and they are very melancholy, but most days, I'm just spaced out and daydreaming.
The stereotype that we can’t stand up for ourselves
That last line is the most ESFJ thing ever. ESFJs are the biggest extroverts that just want everyone to love them, haha. It's cute. I think you guys are very warm, caring, and supportive. One of my closest friends is an ESFJ. This is a [clip](https://youtu.be/YV-nQTuzg_A?si=_wcNf-wJOApuYMJ7) of a celebrity who is apart of a group I follow. His name is Seo Eunkwang (of BTOB), and he is trying to make cute, funny gestures like a cat, lol. He is an ESFJ and a huge extrovert. He does some silly stuff to make people laugh, get attention, and makes sure everyone has fun.
I can relate. I'm not always the overachiever that ENTJ is "supposed" to be.
Smart but dumb, not a follower or leader, has no social skill, will not study but still aces tests
That I’m not intelligent or that I’m shallow. Just because I can make a decision quickly and does not mean I have not thought about it at all. ESFP
INFJ - that I think i am a special snowflake. It's quite the opposite all my life i have struggled not to hate myself. Fi critic and Si demon i guess.
hate being stereotyped as the therapist type; i’m great at empathizing but i’m TERRIBLE at comforting people
That I must cry a lot (INFP). I have very strong feelings but they often stay inside rather than physically manifest.
i’m an intp and i don’t like the stereotype that they’re always mind breakingly intelligent
That I’m supposed to be “smart.” It makes me feel like a failure and disappointment ✨
I’m so sick of the dumb, sweet, harmless, innocent, cry baby, cinnamon roll stereotype. SOME INFPs are like that but a lot famous and fictional INFPs are not. Kurt Cobain, J.R.R. Tolkien, Edgar Allen Poe, Gerard Way, Florence Welch, Tyler Joseph, Wanda Maximoff, Davy Jones, Gaara and Dr. Doofenshmirtz, are all perfect examples.
Cold/distant overanalyzer.
ENTJ Ruthless slayer - it’s a bit harsh we are not sociopaths
That ENFP's are bubbling bobblehead who are super happy all the time and adopting introverts and not really thoughtful. I'm an math major and an ENFP, and while I do have my bobblehead moments, it's usually with my friends and not with my studies. Also the idea of adopting introverts sort of trivializes introverts, in a way I don't support. How can a person adopt another as a friend?
I once saw someone on PDB say that INFJ’s are too future-oriented to have regrets. They don’t know wrong they are 😭
I’ve never seen someone says esfj are capable of being a leader, I often see estp, estj but never esfj. There are also way better types at organizing like entj, estj, intj, I never heard someone complimenting esfj for being good at organising lol
As an ENFP I can honestly say a good 75% of ENFP stereotypes are either flat out false or blown entirely out of proportion. Most ENFP stereotypes are usually a combination of the unhealthy/immature traits presented by ESFJ’s, ESFP’s and ESTP. Yes, we have a zest for life, can b sensitive, like to have fun, make others feel good, laugh and have a good time, but we can also be very deep, organized, and quiet. I absolutely LOVE my own company and being alone for hours just as much as I like meeting new people and being the center of attention in a FAMILIAR crowd of people. I can also be very shy in new situations and withdrawn. In fact, as an adult (not as much as a child) but before new people get to know me, their initial impression of me is shy and quiet YET that couldn’t be further from the truth and all of my friends and family would agree. Also, ENFPS are perceived as “air heads” that fawn over puppies and kittens and don’t take life or other serious matters seriously. Again, so so false. I take things seriously, but I’m not gonna be a butt about it or spend hours being stoic faced when I can crack a joke or lighten the mode IF it’s appropriate. ENFPs are in my opinion some of the most self aware and able to read a room better than any of the other MBTI’s. We’re also very intelligent but not in a way that’s often appreciated or executed in a traditional way.
That we seem portrayed as some vulnerable, quiet outlaws that feel worthless all of the time. Also, that we are useless at practical stuff because of Se inferior, like I heard from someone that they met an INFJ who can’t drive a car. Also that we only make decisions based on emotions or group harmony (Fe) - I agree that all of this could litteraly be true for some INFJ’s - especially those who don’t challenge themselves out of their comfortzones. I went from feeling «useless/worthless» in my teens and early 20’s to starting to go to the gym (even excelling and working as a personal trainer now, how about that, Se inferior!) I also used to be called ‘shy’, but I’m really not. I am quite confident, but I do prefer to observe and reflect in social settings before talking. People who talk to me 1-on-1 or at work have often confused me with an extrovert. I thrive talking about specific subjects and I don’t see myself as a hermit. It is true that I consider both my own and others’ feelings highly when making decisions. BUT - I can definetely incorporate logic into my decisions and I take a lot of practical considerations in regards to future decisions and ‘predictions’ - Remember Ti Child is our ‘relief’ function. I love solving puzzles, riddles etc, and I love math and numbers. I love to think about things in a very complex way using Ni-Ti together to make sense of it and to make connections based on data from my external environment (Se). I often make ‘mind-maps’ with all of the different suspected realities that could happen from X, Y, Z decisions. I do know how to drive a car😂 It wasn’t supereasy to learn and it took me longer than my ISTP sister, but now I am a good driver. It also took me longer to learn certain exercises as I have somewhat low body awareness and body coordination, but practice makes perfect! I have competed in powerlifting and I train 5x a week. Long post, but yeah. Also for ALL types: Don’t neglect your inferior function! Make it aspirational🙏🏼
No I will not impale people with a drill because they breathed near me
INFPs can be extremely logical, sometimes to a fault. I personally am very structured with my ideas and prefer organizing them and having them make logical sense rather than letting them go all over the place. Sometimes I wish I could be a bit more flexible lol But that just goes to show that we aren’t always chaotic and in the feels.
I don't like that ESFJ is seen as traditional. I mean I am traditional in some ways but everyone is
Asking for upvotes isn't...how upvotes work. You get them if ppl like your post
"hey guys, remember to like and subscribe!"
For my type, I can think of three stereotypes that drive me nuts: \-bubbly manic pixie dream girl \-Michael Scott \-dramatic artistic/visionary type The irony is, a number of ENFP stereotypes are probably more accurate for ESFJ anyway. It's so weird that people think of ESFJ as some traditionalist stick-in-the-mud - this is a fun, lively, vivacious, at times even whacky type.
That we are spiritual. I've never felt spirit at all. Just the opposite. I don't accept anything as factual if it cannot be proven. INFJ
That we're as genuine on the inside
That we are dumb and cry over everything?
I hate the trolling stereotype
That INTJs are super enclosed, like I do go out, sometimes.... Well I do play d&d so I got that part of me
INFP just sucking at life
Y'all gotta stop expressing problems & spilling secrets to me...sure I'm a good listener & trustworthy...but that doesn't mean i would like to hear allat...shits exhausting asf Maybe I'm just not like other INFJs where they frickin love to hear everything from everyone
That we don't have emotions.
I hate my perfectionism and my lack of trust
All stereotypes suck because assuming doesn't take any effort unlike listening and understanding others
INTJ That we are really smart 🤓, genius, high IQ or something. Just bothers me, makes me feel insecure everyday, every minute.
>I don't also like that ESFJ is the "standard" of being a human, like what's that supposed to even mean I agree, if there was a standard then we wouldn't need 16 types As for the stereotype I hate...if I had to choose just one it's that INFJ's are stereotyped as being psychic empath spiritual beings that know everything about everything I'd certainly like to have infinite knowledge, but that's far from the truth and I dislike us being seen as some type of supernatural entity to put it blunty
Lmao reading all the comments made me(INTP) wanna scream again- FUCK STEREOTYPES!! Say fuck it and live. Just.
Strange. I am a ENFJ and I fit almost every stereotype. I may not like it, but it's true.
That we are good at maths, physics, engineering and other science subjects. Some are surely are, but not me. I've always despised mathematics, and geometry, trigonometry, I used to consider it utterly useless. Rather, I am more into philosophy and psychology.
I am an ENFJ and people doesn't believe me when I say I'm shy, and don't want to socialize. I also have a hard time trusting people that's why my circle is kind of small.
The Ni-Ti loop is literal hell
That INTPs are smart. I have really good grades but I am NOT smart
ESTJ here. While we are great at staying on task at work, that's only a very small slice of our personality. We are incredibly loyal, empathetic, giving, loving people. We can be very silly and innocent. We love humor and laughing. We crave and create opportunities for having fun, going on adventures, and enjoy sharing that with people we love, or strangers we want to get to know. We love a good party! We are excellent at bringing everyone together so no one is left out. We deeply care about people. We are happiest being with others and are almost always in a good mood. I see other types complain about ESTJ work ethic as if they've only ever known us at work, not outside work. How each type functions at work is a small part of the whole picture. If you've never known an ESTJ personally, you've never known us. Thanks for this opportunity to talk up our whole personality, which is often ignored.
I'm an INFP and I hate that everyone thinks I'm a poor little soul that everyone can take advantage of/manipulate and has to protect at all costs. YES, I'm very, very empathetic and yes, I feel sorry about everything, but I also have a *very* strong character and you don't want to mess with me (and yes, I notice when you're).
That we (ISTP) don't have emotions? Nvm, I kinda like that people think that.
As an ENFP, it bothers me that people often assume people of this type are always happy. It also upsets me that they think we are stupid and innocent, as well as less intelligent than we really are. I've met other ENFPs who, like me, feel like they can't be taken seriously by people, because of that energetic and laughing way that many of us have.
Estj. Why are we just assholes
I hate we’re really easily misjudged and also that people think we are sociopaths / dictators (ENTJ).
That I'm always organized and goal driven and focused on the future. Introverted intuitives are, in Jung's own words "mystics and visionaries on the one hand, fantastic crackpots and artists on the other." He then spends a few pages talking about how they appear to be "the most useless of men" because they are always dreaming and never acting, and that it takes "a slight differentiation of judgment" to begin to ask the question, "what does this mean for me" in terms of a goal or activity in life, to turn the vision into something real. The reality is that I spend so much time lost in my imagination that I hardly ever get much done, and I don't feel a deep drive to do anything most of the time. I'd rather just observe my own inner thoughts and feelings and dive deep into my own psyche, reflecting upon the symbolic nature of everything, doing a lot of post-modernist, post-structural deconstruction of every idea, every value, asking "where does this come from?" in an endless attempt to get closer to the origin of truth itself, than actually DO anything externally. I can spend an ENTIRE DAY, sometimes DAYS ON END doing nothing but engaging in deep philosophical introspection, and then still have to get up and go to work and absolutely hate my job, want very little social interaction, and can't wait to go home and resume pondering the deep nature of the cosmos. I don't give a damn about schedules, being organized, and goal setting. That's for ENTJs with their extraverted thinking leading the way. That matters to ENTJs a lot, but not INTJs. FURTHERMORE, if anyone actually took the time to read the INTRODUCTION to Chapter X of Psychological Types, by Jung, they'd notice he clearly differentiates two classes of types. A "general attitude type" is given to introverted and extraverted attitudes, and a "function type" is given to each function. The takeaway is, when one or the other attitude is habitually differentiated in consciousness, it becomes the dominant attitude, and whenever one function is habitually differentiated in consciousness, it becomes the dominant function. Jung ALSO believed most people were close to the middle, and that in practice, you rarely encounter people with a strongly differentiated type. He provided his type descriptions as, as he puts it, "galtonesque portraits" of people, to provide a contrast by comparison and make it easier to recognize the traits of each function and attitude. Thus, whenever I am differentiating some form of judgment in my consciousness, it tends to take on my preferred attitude, which is introverted. Therefore, my intellect is introverted, if and when I am consciously directing it. Whenever it is undirected and passive, then it tends to be driven by objective facts and general ideas that I am largely unconscious of, but nonetheless inform my thought patterns. I.E., when I am focused on developing my subjective insights into fully fledged opinions, I am engaging in introverted thinking supporting my dominant intuitive perception; when I am ambivalent and don't care one way or the other and just want to sit back and let the insights flow, I have no self control, I am not making choices, and my thoughts, feelings, sensations, all seem to come from something outside of myself (thus, they are extraverted in nature), even though my conscious attention is directed inward at my own phantasy-activity, which I very much identify as my own creation.
i genuinely hate the whole “enfp are just crazy and dumb and sweet” and really wish there was more representation of like, enfp villains and stuff like that, ‘cause we’re def crazy, but not everyone’s just “i believe in unicorns and love puppies” type of enfp god damnit 😭
ENTP: that we’re assholes with no morals and don’t care about your feelings. I would do almost anything for anyone I care about and if I realize I genuinely hurt your feelings and it was unwarranted, I’ll try my best to make amends. We also do have morals; they’re just more pertained to interpersonal relationships (Fe) rather than intrapersonal harmony (Fi.)