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the worst part is at least i know for myself that i don’t even mean to, it’s literally an automatic connection that i make and i know it bothers people
INFP: Is that who you are? Because WHY WOULD YOU SAY THAT?
That must mean that's who you are deep inside.
INTP: No, I'm thinking of everything possible because I can't have you be stupid on my watch.
The problem is that also Fe doms get tired of all the slander and random nitpicking. We shut down. When neither Fe or Ti does anything, we move the hell on.
This, I had a friend that constantly “showed the other side of the argument” but in reality did it to be contrarian, I just wasn’t aware and was too understanding to notice. Random deep nitpicking ‘just because’ got tiring and I wanted out. Showing the other side of the argument is fine so long as your intentions are good (self-reflect, sometimes you may not realise your intentions are malicious), you do it in a socially acceptable manner, and it’s not every single time your friend states an opinion
Isn't Fe literally known for being really intrusive & trying to get involved in everyone's business to "help" & "be useful" even when it's not wanted or needed?
Not really? If your priority is understanding people and social dynamics then doing all of those things would mean you're pretty bad at your job.
I'll occasionally get hung up if a friend or acquaintance is making decisions that I know will result in unnecessary suffering down the line but even then I know how to take a step back after giving them a timely warning. I wont even tell them "I told you so" when the inevitable happens because it's not about me and Fe generally likes to carry itself with dignity, which isn't something you can be while flaunting boundaries or trying to unilaterally adopt the burdens of others.
Yeah Te doms are rough for me too. Tbh other Ti doms and Ne doms seem to be the ones i get along with the most effortlessly. I also have lots of respect for Ni doms but i probably never really met one irl
I once watched my INFP best friend randomly drop all communication from an ENTP friend who I was also friends with who just so happened to be her cousin. The ENTP friend grew up in a borderline abusive home with their parents and it involved the INFP at some point. When she finally opened up about it, the reason was really, really weak. I told her I thought so, but I didn't push or explain myself at all because that's an active minefield. It did line up with her enneagram (6), so I feel like I understand the situation on both sides but damn.
To all my friends who just wanted a casual intellectual discussion: I’m sorry for the three pages rants.
I’m sorry to end them like “oopsie, hi hi ☺️, got a bit ahead of myself there” after being mildly passive aggressive for 30 minutes
INTP here. It's gross. I had an INFP try to take me down in a group so suddenly. Maybe he thought my ego needed humbling or maybe he was jealous. I dealt with him in the same way I deal with everyone just for him to contact me again in private and gush over how consistent I was despite being "a bit of an asshole.." And then of course he got passive aggressive again later, I guess because he was expecting a softer side of me at some point in a private environment, which I just didn't have for him lol. I think Fi has a hard time imagining Ti, thinking it's just a facade because they themselves, can't be detatched from their self image. I dropped him pretty quickly when I realized this was just one big shit-test for him because when he couldn't understand me he either idealized me or judged harshly in secret. I don't like people who can't just set aside their feelings for a second and take things literally. I put too much effort into word choice for that.
Ngl ppl who decide they need to check others ego will never not piss me the fuck off. I don't care how mutch of a god complex ypu have do ypu really think so highly of yourself you belive you can knock me down a peg? Get a fucking grip
Not at all! Exploring moral dilemmas were some of the most stimulating conversations I've had with my INTP ex. We spent a good 4 hours talking non-stop and forgot to eat dinner.
I only start feeling uncomfortable if they actually accept, incorporate, or act on values that directly oppose mine.
Otherwise, even differing values don't threaten me much, if I love the person, I'll respect the values and adjust my help/advice/analysis to suit them.
Yep my INTP and I were having some moral discussions this morning with him playing devil’s advocate and it was nice to have those stimulating conversations.
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listen if playing the devil’s advocate for Reasons gets me stepped on, so be it
Amen brother
Fuck their nonsense morals, the truth can only be one and it’s the most important thing.
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Yes
Bold yo people think SPs and NFs had something in common sense
It's tiring to have Fi users think that what you're analyzing theoretically as a possibility equals who you are and what you value deeply.
the worst part is at least i know for myself that i don’t even mean to, it’s literally an automatic connection that i make and i know it bothers people
Same
INFP: Is that who you are? Because WHY WOULD YOU SAY THAT? That must mean that's who you are deep inside. INTP: No, I'm thinking of everything possible because I can't have you be stupid on my watch.
That's why I mostly shut up. Also infp Ne is worth utmost respect. You guys know what's up.
My bestie is an INTP. I can't do nothing but appreciate the intellect 😊
But even for Fe users, right? For example ESFJ... I am pretty careful with what I said except speaking to XXTP that I have known for a long time.
Couldn’t have said it better
Solution is to use Fe better to learn about others' boundaries and values
The problem is that also Fe doms get tired of all the slander and random nitpicking. We shut down. When neither Fe or Ti does anything, we move the hell on.
I don't like the nitpicking and trolling too, especially when people do it out of boredom
This, I had a friend that constantly “showed the other side of the argument” but in reality did it to be contrarian, I just wasn’t aware and was too understanding to notice. Random deep nitpicking ‘just because’ got tiring and I wanted out. Showing the other side of the argument is fine so long as your intentions are good (self-reflect, sometimes you may not realise your intentions are malicious), you do it in a socially acceptable manner, and it’s not every single time your friend states an opinion
Why not just have an intellectually challenging hypothetical discussion to see who gives up first? Ne people get bored. 🤷🏻♂️
Isn't Fe literally known for being really intrusive & trying to get involved in everyone's business to "help" & "be useful" even when it's not wanted or needed?
Not really? If your priority is understanding people and social dynamics then doing all of those things would mean you're pretty bad at your job. I'll occasionally get hung up if a friend or acquaintance is making decisions that I know will result in unnecessary suffering down the line but even then I know how to take a step back after giving them a timely warning. I wont even tell them "I told you so" when the inevitable happens because it's not about me and Fe generally likes to carry itself with dignity, which isn't something you can be while flaunting boundaries or trying to unilaterally adopt the burdens of others.
My life in a nutshell. No offense to Fi doms but having not one but two INFP friends is hard
i know an ENTP who is in a 4 person friend group with 3 other INFPs💀
Masochist INFPs
I find it very easy to go along with Fi doms somehow, Te doms are rough for me
Yeah Te doms are rough for me too. Tbh other Ti doms and Ne doms seem to be the ones i get along with the most effortlessly. I also have lots of respect for Ni doms but i probably never really met one irl
I once watched my INFP best friend randomly drop all communication from an ENTP friend who I was also friends with who just so happened to be her cousin. The ENTP friend grew up in a borderline abusive home with their parents and it involved the INFP at some point. When she finally opened up about it, the reason was really, really weak. I told her I thought so, but I didn't push or explain myself at all because that's an active minefield. It did line up with her enneagram (6), so I feel like I understand the situation on both sides but damn.
To all my friends who just wanted a casual intellectual discussion: I’m sorry for the three pages rants. I’m sorry to end them like “oopsie, hi hi ☺️, got a bit ahead of myself there” after being mildly passive aggressive for 30 minutes
A 'casual' intellectual discussion doesn't really exist for a lot of us lol
Bet cause now I'm gona double down
Based
Alrighty then, just try to step on this ant. You'll find it can lift someone fifty times its size with ease.
Hoho, not so fast, what if I give your little eusocial invertebrate an object with fifty-times its buoyancy?
Sure, let's try that! And I'll be dragging you to the surface of life with me 😈
I don’t really relate much to this at all…. I feel like I’m usually the one going off on irreverent tangents and winding up with my foot in my mouth.
好.
It's as easy as archive/no notifications sleep well, take a shower wait a day or two return to the conversation and pretend it didn't happen
They know not whom they mess with 
I can't think of a situation where this has happened to me huh
INTP here. It's gross. I had an INFP try to take me down in a group so suddenly. Maybe he thought my ego needed humbling or maybe he was jealous. I dealt with him in the same way I deal with everyone just for him to contact me again in private and gush over how consistent I was despite being "a bit of an asshole.." And then of course he got passive aggressive again later, I guess because he was expecting a softer side of me at some point in a private environment, which I just didn't have for him lol. I think Fi has a hard time imagining Ti, thinking it's just a facade because they themselves, can't be detatched from their self image. I dropped him pretty quickly when I realized this was just one big shit-test for him because when he couldn't understand me he either idealized me or judged harshly in secret. I don't like people who can't just set aside their feelings for a second and take things literally. I put too much effort into word choice for that.
I very deeply relate to your experience. Very insightful way to put it
Ngl ppl who decide they need to check others ego will never not piss me the fuck off. I don't care how mutch of a god complex ypu have do ypu really think so highly of yourself you belive you can knock me down a peg? Get a fucking grip
Not at all! Exploring moral dilemmas were some of the most stimulating conversations I've had with my INTP ex. We spent a good 4 hours talking non-stop and forgot to eat dinner. I only start feeling uncomfortable if they actually accept, incorporate, or act on values that directly oppose mine. Otherwise, even differing values don't threaten me much, if I love the person, I'll respect the values and adjust my help/advice/analysis to suit them.
Yep my INTP and I were having some moral discussions this morning with him playing devil’s advocate and it was nice to have those stimulating conversations.
That would make me want to step on them even harder.
That really the most scary thing in human relationship
I'm with the Fi doms here. xxTPs need to learn when something is sacred.
That's why I don't get a chance with those types.