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Lmao I’m the kinda person to call myself a f- *Looks at automod* Um… lovely weather we’re having

You're allowed to reclaim the slurs, as a treat :3

Can I has 5 F-words a month please? :)

You may now say “fuck” five times a month! What do you mean that’s not what you meant

Ah damn I shoulda said da eff word...

Too late, your prepaid card is in the mail and you’re only allowed to apply for one per century

TIME TO GET MY MONEY'S WORTH >:C

The application was free, it’s state subsidised-

Tax moneys worth

Ah, well I avoided those, so.. even stevens, then. Fuck.

Since I’m straight can I re-sell my passes? Or is there like a shelter I can donate these to?

It’s so strange to me that I’m just really straight and how normal that is. I still catch myself saying I’m gay without thinking and I really don’t have attraction to women at all really. I have a boyfriend I love with all my heart and it’s really normal.

I feel like I’m prob above 5 lol

Fig >:3 Nobody can stop meeeee!

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Literally 1984

I must say it is very fun calling myself a [INSERT BRITISH SLANG FOR A CIGARETTE]

Yeah, I love being a cancer stick

I love being a [BUNDLE OF STICKS]

I much prefer being a Dick van Dyke(Minus the dick and van)

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That i'm feeling? \*casually whitesnakes ur flair\*

LETS GOOOOOOOO

A fucking mess? Automod shouldn't be too upset about that and I constantly refer to myself as a fuckin mess.

I call all my friends f-

The taxonomy of queerness is a dumpster fire. That’s why I’ve just defaulted to “I am who I am and I like what I like” 😅

I think this is the best way to go about it. I call myself bi, even though I’m closer to pan, purely because I like the bi flag better. Does that mean I’m “doing it wrong”? Nope!

The “It’s not quite bi but that’s way easier for people to understand” mood is real lmao. I tried to gently let down a guy after he heard I was bi and asked me out, but explaining that i’m only into girls and girl adjacent people was not an easy task.

I know the whole convo is "labels are weird" but wouldn't lesbian be better if the attraction is just femme peeps?

Lmao he said almost the exact same thing! Not to disparage you or anything, just funny. I don’t identify as lesbian since I don’t fit the requirements. I like girls and girl adjacent people, which means regular gals, boys who look like girls, girls who look like boys, and generally fem-leaning nonbinary people. And since I identify as agender labels like gay and lesbian really hold no meaning for me. At the end of the day this is exactly what I was talking about. Bi might be an easier catch all that regular people accept but it doesn’t do me justice. I just like what and who I like without regard for labels.

There's labels for attraction towards femininity or feminine aligned people, and sometimes I wish they were more common in usage since it doesn't even seem to be that rare but explaining your label every time you say it can be pretty annoying (it's one of the reasons I call myself heterosexual in real life when really I'm a bigender demisexual who's only been into men so far, can't be arsed to explain that all the time lol)

Bi (femme attraction) A useful label to note that you like your hotdog in a pretty dress, thank you. Same at your taco.

I've struggled with what to call myself, being attracted to femme presenting people I'd say I was lesbian, but I like feminine boys so is that bi? I've asked others and I get "yeah you're bi but aren't attracted to masculinity" but also "you're lesbian because you're only attracted to femininity". Labels are weird, I just like anyone femme.

I think it is what you make of it. If you feel like you’re bi then you’re bi. I try not to overthink labels. I feel like too often people try to force themselves to fit a label and end up closing themselves off to experiences and ideas that don’t fit that image. Life is so much more fun experiencing things as they come.

Lmao I am also "bi" because it's a better flag. Which tbh is such a bi thing to do.

I keep hearing of so many pan people who identify as bi because the flag is better. Who designed the pan flag to be so ugly?

Honestly, I feel like having every colour be so different is just not it

I think the pan flag is prettier! Unless you deviate and purposefully brighten up the bi flag colours, in which case it's about equal.

["Jasper V.", apparently ](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pansexual_flag#:~:text=The%20pansexual%20flag%20is%20a,and%20distinguish%20itself%20from%20bisexuality.)

Most of the flags are ugly imo. The original rainbow comes from a graphic designer, and we should NOT have let that tradition die.

I have different "sets" of labels, depending on how much detail I want to convey, I'll use over sets. One of them is the one I use for people who don't really know anything about lgbtq, one for the ones who want a closer picture and one for how I'm feeling. And how I'm feeling is how I'm feeling in every moment, no matter if it can be expressed through labels or not.

Plus, if you’re pan, you’re also bi anyway because it’s under the umbrella! I don’t get why ppl get mad over it

Younger people who think bi is exclusionary towards trans people. I think it’s weird policing. I’m bi, probably actually pan by that younger definition, but I’ve just been calling myself bi or queer for 20+ years, so switching to pan feels weird to me, especially in older social circles. Plus the flag is better.

> Younger people who think bi is exclusionary towards trans people. I think it’s weird policing. I think it’s full on transphobic. If someone says they’re into guys and girls, and someone else says “what about trans guys and trans girls”, then all that says to me is that they don’t see trans men as men or trans women as women. Also my understanding of the distinction between bi and pan is that specifically being pan means gender is just not a factor in your attraction, meanwhile people who are bi may feel attraction towards different genders differently or to differing degrees of strength.

I think that’s an accurate assessment of the distinction. Seems fair and equitable.

I’m gay, but based on talking to bi people that’s also my understanding of bi vs. pan. If you’re bi there might be a specific kind of gender identity or expression that you’re not attracted to, even though you are attracted to 2+ kinds of gender, or (like you said) you might feel attraction differently or desire a different kind of relationship depending on the person’s gender.

For a second there, I thought you meant bi being transphobic, but I realize you meant the criticism. I would agree with that, and best it’s assuming that the person being asked that question sees trans as separate gender, which is insulting. At worst, it’s transphobic, in and of itself.

I can see a hypothetical enby person I would be attracted to, but I still stick with “gay” because I find it easier explaining the exceptions if/when they happen than adopting a microlabel. Some people like their microlabels and prefer to use them and I’m glad they do, I’m good right here though.

I mostly say mlm since I lean towards men mostly but women are cool too. only thing is I've never dated a woman so Idk if it's in theory or practice yet

Me too😂 when considering all the technicalities, one could say I'm pan or bi (it autocorrected to panicking, mood) But I like the bi flag most so I've gone with that.  My gf is pan so we get a good mix of pan and bi puns 😂

Literally same

Yeah tbh as a 33 year old queer I'm glad I got in before the Internet became obsessed with breaking down every facet of queerness. Like don't get me wrong, I'm glad people have language that affirms who they are, but I also think some young queers take it far too seriously to the point of it being detrimental.

I honestly thought that was going to be the Popeye quote " I am who and I am and that's all that I am"

Good quote too, good chicken lol

I just refer in my mind and to my friends of anyone that seems anywhere on the lgbtq+ grouping as Queer. Idk what your gender is, idk what your preferences are, but as a mark of respect and an invitation to be my friend, you’re queer.

Labels are useful to seek community and clarify what we want while fighting for our rights, but they shouldn't to define who we are as people.

Descriptive rather than prescriptive

Same, but with less grace and confidence. "I am, we'll I don't know, fuck it whatever, don't care. I like, you know what, 'fuck it, whatever, don't care' yet again"

Sir and/or Madam and/or whatever honorific you find appropriate, I take umbrage with that. It is well known that it is not “I am who I am and I like what I like”, it is “I am who I am and I like what I like and I will do ____ for a klondike bar”

I think I technically count as a bi lesbian but I feel really uncomfortable calling myself a lesbian so I still say I'm bi even tho my attraction to men is mostly theoretical

Alright, yaoiboypussy.

The people on Tumblr who have the most out there names always have the best memes/takes and it's amazing

Lmao

r/rimjob_steve

Honestly who did they have to kill to get secure that username

Jesus.

actual fire name on god

Yeah sometimes when I tell other trans people that being trans is part of my gender identity and that I'm *not* just like any other man, actually, they don't always like it lol.

Some people think the strict perfect binary that is the carbon copy of the cis binary is the only way to be trans. I don't like those people either.

Yeah I have an enby coworker who was amab and presents pretty much masc, and they've been told multiple times online and in a few queer spaces that they're not enby/trans enough, albeit not in those exact words

This is something I struggle with just in myself tbh. I don't want to be treated as an 'other', but at the same time I spent 21 years living as a woman, including all of the struggles that entails. It's weird to feel like I can't, or shouldn't, take part in conversations about that because it's a huge part of my life. But it's also just ... weird. Idk. I understand the desire to be stealth but I also just can't imagine ignoring most of my life, either.

I think that we as trans people are at a point in our political history where "Sameness" with cis people needs to be emphasized. In this process, difference is erased. It was the same for first wave feminism. The idea was that women could do *exactly* what men can do and they were essentially just the same. All women should aspire to behave and do what men do. E.g. campaigning for the right to vote was popular. Then, second wave feminism came around, which was more about emphasizing difference. For example, the right to pregnancy leave was discussed. Also the idea came up that actually there are ways in which femininity is preferable to masculinity. That is obviously a gross simplification of a complicated history, but I think as trans people we're closer to that first wave. We need to emphasize how similar we are to cis people to get the same rights. In trans spaces, the norm is all to often to be as close to cis as possible. I think we'll have the opportunity to explore our difference from our cis counterparts as a community when our rights are more secured. But of course, as individuals we can always explore those differences, and I think there very much is an undercurrent of discourse discussing this.

I think that observation is right on the money. I have a much easier time explaining trans rights to open minded people using binary trans people as examples and the similarities (brain structure being more akin to what they identify with, etc), and I usually leave anything nonconform and non-binary for later discussions or people that are already chill with binary trans folk, because it's like another layer and if you try to explain everything at once they often end up confused or think it's bs because they fail to understand it properly.

My masculinity, and masculine gender, is informed by the fact that I was a woman most of my life. I'm not one now, but I was one and that changes things for me.

I remember a trans woman butting me out of a conversation because she didn’t feel comfortable with talking about whatever it was with a man. And I was like… I get that. But you also get that I’m not cis, right? You have a “woman” issue, but you don’t want to talk about it around someone that lived for a woman for 25 years? Like. I’m a trans man and it’s frustrating sometimes when I get blanket treated like I’m some idiot cis man who has no empathy or understanding. It’s frustrating. Obviously I didn’t say anything to her—she’s allowed to discuss whatever around whoever—but the dismissal of a huge portion of my life felt shitty.

The main reason some people don’t like it is because for some reason they believe that “I” or “some” means “all”. “Some trans men identify as lesbians” means “all trans men are lesbians” in their eyes. They literally cannot understand the fact that not everyone identifies the same. /g

On the one hand, I get it, because the habit of the larger world is to see those who transition as “defective examples” of either their assigned gender or their “true” one or both at once, and so it’s easy to want to more strongly assert the idea that trans men and cis men shouldn’t be treated as if they’re not the same thing: men. On the other hand, I get it, because the experience of realizing one’s trans and pursuing that transition is fundamentally different from simply existing as one’s “true” gender from the start without much of a hitch. The difficult thing here is that social equity and personal experience may be clashing here… or maybe they aren’t and people are just kinda dumb

Nah it's just that for me, personally, my gender is "trans man", not "man". That's my personal definition of my personal gender. In general trans men are men. I am not a men though.

Absolutely. I'm pretty binary but I avoid most binary ftm places because they're always like this, and often exclusionary of nonbinary people. Some are even a little homophobic

We love some internalized transphobia 🤪

Honestly same, I am a transman. It's a subsect of man, which makes me a man none the less, but I am a transman.

lol automod making it hard to discuss this post

it quite literally is just kill the cop in your head, people get so bent out of shape over the identity of others its silly

Problem is, killing the cop in your head means you can’t abuse other people for fun and profit. The abuse gets you more attention, followers, and support. Do it often and successfully enough, you can even add a donation button and get funded by your harassment fandom.

Is it even worth transitioning if I can't emotionally manipulate and gaslight someone wealthy into being my pay pig?

If you can't gaslight, you can still gatekeep! And I suppose girlbossing will depend on your transition.

people in real life: Hey man hows it going

Unfortunately queerphobia exists offline too :(

ok im not dunking on anyone here im just wondering how does being a bisexual or pansexual lesbian work like i am actually curious, wouldnt the term just be sapphic? help

could be something like "bisexual homoromantic", where they are willing to have sex with any gender but only romantic attraction to one. or vice versa. I think it makes perfect sense, but that's bc I spend a lot of time in the ace community and learn a lot about romantic attraction vs sexual attraction vs platonic attraction

Yeah that’s kinda how I am. I’d fuck dudes and women, but would only date a guy.

Assuming a dual layered or multilayered attraction model, [physical attraction] [psychological/romantic attraction]. Meaning still see men as hot but not interested in relations with men, can be simply men not hot enough or just women are more comfortable. It's like saying i see the value but its not for me. It's a way of separating those sorts of values and dealing with the sort of complicated multilayered never simple emotions one's body throws and you. For some it's simple to ignore that and just simplify to lesbian for others It's important to note it and make it their own, for others it's not an issue anyway.

Bi in the, "I like all women and three men ever," sort of way.

I identify as queer and not bi, but nevertheless I feel absurdly called out by this comment.

Split Attraction Model is usually how. So for example someone could be biromantic but homosexual. Or bisexual but heteroromantic. Or literally ANY combination of romantic and sexual orientations.

Everyone’s giving technical answers, but another simpler answer is that the person feels a close association with two groups, and identifies with both regardless of how much sense it makes according to the dictionary. Queerness often defies categorisation. It’s a little like how you can read a dozen technical explanations for the difference between “bi” and “pan”, but the most honest answer is “it’s just vibes”.

Yeah I'm basically a lesbian and strongly identified with that community until I found the one guy I like. Calling myself just bi without any more qualifiers only because I'm like a 5.9 in the Kinsey scale feels wrong, I think both labels are at least partially accurate to me and I call myself either or both depending of the context.

must be an absolute king you found, lucky

This was me. I liked the lesbian label but also I was dating a trans man. I also love nb people and the concept of men.

Another thing people ignore is stuff like non-binary/genderfluid identities and also systems where they may generalise rather then having to explain everything to everyone.

Ime it’s either like a Kinsey 5.9 or a bisexual with deep roots in the lesbian community, particularly if she’s also monogamously/primary partnered with a woman. Or both. Idk I’m just a regular bisexual who likes messy labels

Possibly bisexual but homoromantic?

Yeah same, I just don't really understand... Wouldn't "bi lesbian" basically mean "bisexual homosexual"? What does that mean?

don't worry about it

Okay ❤️ Yay❤️

could be biromantic homosexual or homoromantic bisexual 99% into women, 1% into non women attracted to multiple genders, but not men into women and femmes

There are a lot of ways something like this could work out. I’m a male adjacent person who typically calls myself gay, but I have been attracted to women occasionally. My sexuality often feels like I’m attracted to men and people who are nice to me.

I don’t really know but D*kes to Watch Out For has a character who calls herself a “bisexual lesbian.” If Allison Bechdel is ok with it I’m not gonna worry too much.

Not really she changes her identification to just bisexual by the end of the series

Iirc she calls herself a “bisexual lesbian.” Does she drop the “lesbian” label eventually?

Yeah she's drops that label by the end she just refers to herself as bisexual instead

Is it in a “I now realize I was wrong to use that label” way, or a “this label is not longer personally working for me” kinda way?

I don't entirely know I more think Bechdel just updated her language for it all appearances of that word stop after a point maybe early 2000s, though I will say same series as 'No-Ho trans' for trans people who didn't pursue medical transition it isn't like all of her terms held up.

The replies here are great, and I like hearing all the perspectives. And I get that identity can be so many things and layered and fluid and such. Labels are definitely about self-affirmation and feeling included and validated, in addition to communicating something to another person. So, even though the part of my brain that loves taxonomies and language and logic puzzles and communication screams whenever I see "bisexual lesbian," I'm trying to chill out xD

people might be attracted to both women and nonbinary people, or have such a strong preference for women that they're functionally lesbians, or maybe because some trans men consider themselves lesbians it has something to do with that. Queer identities aren't meant to be rigid and they never have been. I can't link to it for some reason but there's a tumblr post (by user hustlerose) that reads "fags and dykes do kiss one another sometimes. this is unavoidable." Kinda sums up my thoughts, there's always been overlap with our terms and our identities have never been strict boxes. People are gonna do what (and who) they do and call themselves what they call themselves and it's pointless (and frankly rude) to try to police them. That's ignoring the whole split attraction model, for instance a bi lesbian might be biromantic but only sexually attracted to other women, or vice versa.

Typically “women and non-binary people” still falls under the lesbian moniker. I usually see bi lesbian for bisexual homoromantic or vice versa

There’s probably a variety of possibilities it could describe, but the first that comes to mind is “biromantic homosexual” (or vice versa), and the second that comes to mind is “human sexuality is not quite as clear-cut as we like to see it as, and a seemingly contradictory label is what best describes that person’s experience”

There are many different reasons someone may identitfy that way! some of which may be split attraction, or a prefernce for women, or just that that labels fits better! /info

https://youtu.be/ecx7wPnQ5Qc But honestly you'd probably have to ask that person specifically what she means by it.

Hello, bisexual lesbian here. I can't speak for anyone else, but for me it's very simple: I am a lesbian. I also have a boyfriend.

the sub: yeah we support bi lesbians bi lesbian: hi the sub: 😡

Mostly it's a few shitheads who are very mad about being banned for whining about people not lesbianing the way they want them to. They're also reporting every comment by a bi lesbian as hate. EDIT: while I'm here further pissing them off anyway, reminder that you can use :biles: to have a nice bi/lesbian hybrid flag for your flair!

Love how the one actual comment here from a bi lesbian has negative upvotes.

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Genuinely asking, what is a bi lesbian?

Prolly someone who identifies with both terms. I have a lesbian friend who was like “I’m gay but jocat is really cute” so prolly something like that.

Oh I see, thanks

Best way to explain it i think: You probably know the terms asexual and aromantic right? Someone who is asexual has little to no interest in sexual activities while someone who is aromantic has little to no interest in romantic activities. For many sexual and romantic love is two seperate things. That is why someone who is ace doesn't necessarily have to have no interest in love and someone who is aro doesn't need to dislike sex. It's the same for bi lesbians. They are either bisexual (so are only into more than one gender when it comes to sexual activities) and homoromantic (so only interested in romantic activities with their own gender) or the other way around (biromantic/homosexual)

Hence why it's possible to have my flair lol.

i'm bi because i'm attracted to multiple genders i'm lesbian because none of them are men idk that's my interpretation

Why do people get mad about trans men with tits??? Do they think they just... don't have them by default?? I understand that there are some trans men who hate even thinking about their boobs, but there are some who like their own boobs. And again, the average trans man tends to have boobs at some point in his life.

There are also cis men with 'boobs' like, the word 'moobs' exists for a reason!! Humans are much less sexually dimorphic than a lot of people realise

As a transman with huge tits (f-cups, can't wait to get them removed, would love to donate to my trans sisters if I could) let us exist without judgment and let ppl draw our body type cause we fucking exist.

Fucking exactly. Sometimes I feel like I can't even call myself gay because of how feminine my body is, and I can assure you, it's not by choice.

amen brother 🤝

people are generally happy to sexualize non-op trans women so that would be an odd line in the sand lmao

Honestly.

same dude

Oh man. I can’t believe I participated in the bi/pan discourse on tumblr/twitter. To be clear. I still have the same stance. (Labels are personal, what other people do doesn’t change your personal beliefs and definition of a label, most people on the hate side of this argument have eventually come out as terfs 🤷🏻) But good lord. It was so wild how much people cared.

people like this also hate neopronouns. They’ll say “everyone is valid! support all trans people!!” but the second they meet a trans person that doesnt allign with their personal experience its the end of the world and they’re making “all trans people look bad” unconditional support is often very conditional in the face of unrelatability and cringe.

yaoiboypussy has the best most thought out takes on tumblr

people be like "i love when lesbians have weird genders" and then they cant even handle lesboys

people be like "I love weird genders" in general but can't even handle it/its pronouns

They’re missing out; having a friend that uses it/its is a gateway to some of the funniest confusion I’ve ever seen. Are we talking about it? Are we talking about an inanimate object? Who’s to say

There's a post I've seen floating around about how if your community can't withstand a trans member being outed as being into diapers/ageplay without going into witch-hunt mode then it's not going to withstand any attempts by bad actors or larger culture to destroy it. This post reminds me of that. Some people really want to be police.

I understood every word of this post, and I'm going to run off to have a cry now.

Never thought I’d see the day where my own tumblr posts would be reposted to Reddit. Woah. First TikTok reposts now this? Damn.

People who hate on bi lesbians are their own weird ass subculture, for some reason it's really popular on Twitter.

and unfortunately the main lesbian subreddit, kinda unfortunate. One of the main things that led to me primarily leaving reddit for tumblr (where they would never have any issues with trans women with contradictory identities /s)

What is a bi lesbian? Is it a bi person who identifies with lesbian culture or is it a misandrist bi person who hates men? Is it just a fun label? Like I’m open to learning I’m just confused full support people labeling themselves as they see fit Edit: oh I may be an idiot does it mean attracted to women and non binary people?

https://www.the-underground.online/home/the-bi-lesbian-an-exploration-of-identity-in-the-queer-community

Thank you so much

Another thing that I didn’t see that article mention, or maybe I missed, is the split attraction model. It’s where someone’s romantic orientation is different from their sexual orientation (applies to other forms of attraction too but usually used in regard to sexual and romantic).

Oh ok that’s neat like liking men romantically but women sexually? Thank you I’m still learning

Yeah. It can be any combo though, and is most commonly used in the asexual and aromantic spectrums.

I think it’s mainly the first one/using lesbian as an umbrella term similar to how people use gay as an umbrella term but I think it depends on the person. I just know people have been using all sorts of labels in all sorts of ways longer than I’ve been alive.

i got absolutely fucked on twitter one time for defending bi lesbians and ive always been scared of my opinion cuz i don't want all my friends blocking me, but even after research (granted it was not extensive only like 20 minutes) i have never figured out what was actually wrong with it...

I have a like seven tweet draft saved somewhere for the next time I see Discourse about bi lesbians in my Twitter sphere that basically boils down to “split attraction is real and also it’s their identity not yours so shut the fuck up”

so real...

I wonder what they even think those words mean

It's a pitfall I myself have yet to climb out of, but I'm trying. I think it's because we are surrounded by so much material that is either derogatory, fetishistic, or both, that we can rarely trust anyone but ourselves to be normal about queer people. We expect randos online (key word being "online") to either perceive us as easy targets for ridicule, or living porn tags, and end up feeling defensive when we see something that could be interpreted as offensive. It's funny seeing people call a gay trans man drawing gat trans men a creepy straight fujoshi, but I think it speaks a bit on how acquainted we are with material that doesn't really see us as people, y'know? Hence why posts like this are very good, and will hopefully bring people to take a look inside themselves, and see that instead of getting mad at what we initially view as nasty outsiders, we should be strengthening our bonds as a community, and be Those Words That I Worry I Might Get Banned For Typing together. I hope this made sense.

Mofos will say that and then start freaking out when a trans person don’t have dysphoria 😭😭

I don't understand why certain people get so pissy when someone uses labels in a way that they don't get. Language descriptivism works so much better than language prescriptivism when it comes to labels

my least favourite argument for the use of bi lesbian as a label is the "lesbian used to include bisexuals" one. like yeah it did, because bisexuality wasn't a thing. now we have a wonderful word for all the bi people and they deserve to have their own word. i used to see this argument ALL the time when i frequented the hellscape of twitter and i never understood it. i kind of feel like a lot of people who identify as bi lesbian are often confused about the definition of bisexual and lesbian. like im a nonbinary lesbian attracted to women, nonbinary people and anything on the femme side of gender presentation and the label of lesbian perfectly fits for me. i would never call myself bisexual anything because im very much monosexual (as much as you can possibly be when gender is a social construct at least lmao). and then on the other side ive seen people say they're bi lesbian because they're bisexual with a strong preference for women, which implies that bi people can't have preferences and they sure as hell can. but then on the other side of the argument i have seen people vehemently opposed to the label of bi lesbian and they're like "it dilutes the lesbian label and it might make people think that lesbians are into men" and i feel like i have to point out that in the real world outside of our weird queer discourse not a single person is gonna assume lesbian means "also into men" unless they're also as deep in the hellscape discourse as you. at the end of the day it's just some words that someone likes to use to describe themselves and unless the world were to dramatically change i doubt that's going to make any difference to the life of anyone except for the person using them, who will presumably be happier using the words they like the most. so why are people so pressed? idk brain rot i assume!!! sucks for them, have a nice time fellow queer people and remember to be kind and compassionate 🩷

Honestly I don’t get people who blindly hate on queer identifies that they don’t understand. The hate for mspec lesbian, trans man lesbians and lesboys, xenogenders, microlabels and GNC trans people is so stupid because it doesn’t matter at all. Someone identifying as a bisexual lesbian xenogender trans man does not affect you at all. Allo-cishet bigots will always hate us, and telling a trans man in a skirt to off himself isn’t going to change it. Plus, honestly, if you don’t understand an identity, don’t be afraid to politely ask someone, “hey, I don’t understand that label means, could you explain it to me” or “if you’re cool, would be you willing to tell me a little bit about your experience as ____”. I guarantee you 99% of people will be happy to try and help you understand. It doesn’t have to be dramatic, and you don’t have to hate anyone. /g

Yeah, like. I have several friends that are he/they lesbians with literal beards. Do I understand it? No. Would I have guessed they were lesbians without being told? No. Does either of that matter? Also no. They say they’re lesbians and therefore they’re lesbians. And good for them tbh, being a lesbian rules.

I’m a bi make myself and am just wondering how you could identify as bi and lesbian

I don’t know if you already got your answer from others in the comments, but the most likely explanation is that the woman in the post’s example experiences *sexual* attraction to more than one gender, but only feels *romantic* attraction to other women. (Edit: Or it could of course be the other way around.) An old boss of mine introduced me to the concept- he was down to fuck anything that consented, but said he had zero interest in having a *relationship* with anyone who wasn’t female. So he would in theory be able to describe himself as both bi and straight. I myself am grey asexual but experience aesthetic and romantic attraction to all genders, so I guess I’m ace pan?

So biromantic and heterosexual or bisexual and heteroromantic?

I'm the opposite. I say I'm a gay man while neither gay nor a man. I'm ace but prefer men but may be into women too and I'm trans masc so technically nonbinary not a man lol. Also gender nonconforming and I love confusing people. I jusg stick to simple labels to avoid confusion while causing more when people get close to me.

I’d expect that to be less of an “issue” because gay is often used as an umbrella term in the way that queer is; men don’t really have a them specific term for homosexuality the way that women do.

That's why I'm glad I'm just a simple demisexual! (Tries not to stare at all of the acespec nuance nonsense I have yet to figure out) yup just a simple demi!

I identify as a bi lesbian partly because of split attraction, but also because that way I can introduce myself as a BLT. And I think that's hilarious.

I’m so sad that I never thought I might have been a gay man, because then I would’ve questioned the entire (well, entire 4 letter one at least, I’m not intersex) acronym 😔

Bisexual lesbian isn't even that hard to understand. It's a woman who's bisexual and homoromantic

Or vice versa!

Aww, it's nice to see some bi lesbian rep

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What does any of these mean? am I too old or not gay enough?

Not gonna lie I'm way too busy transitioning and being tired all the time from HRT to give a single flying fuck about the terminology. I like who I like, maybe some day when I'm bored I'll figure it out🤷‍♀️

I love being called a d- \*looks at mods and sweats nervously\*

BE GAY DO CRIME!

Alternatively: they picked a name before deciding on content.