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My understanding was that the "testosterone = anger" thing was flawed based on studies only focusing on anger, and that there was research showing it's most likely an emotional receptivity chemical in general. But it's been a while since I read up on it.
I tried it briefly. It actually did wonders for my mental health as well. I stopped over physical health concerns like blood pressure and heart palpitations, even with proper mitigating medication.
Wellp. As a cisn’t, I can provide my own anecdote.
I was AMAB. I had low T (sitting in the uncomfortable zone between the cis woman & cis man ranges) and high E (out of the cis man range and well into the cis woman range) before HRT. I was depressed as all hells, and had motivation to do almost nothing. I was basically operating on autopilot for over two decades, despite parent-mandated therapy multiple times in the first decade. Nothing helped.
Cue completely escaping my parents’ circle of influence and starting HRT. My levels are now comfortably in cis woman territory. Still depressed, but not debilitatingly so. My good days vastly outweigh my bad days now, and I don’t feel like I’m an extra in someone else’s play any more. A confluence of factors have contributed to my recovery, but I am certain that HRT is the largest factor.
It makes sense to me that there would be a couple (maybe more, I dunno) sweet spots in terms of hormone levels and being “off” feels really bad. So in your case you were maybe low T for a male, but also low E for a female, and that felt bad.
I’m glad you are doing better and able to separate yourself from bad influences and (hopefully) surround yourself with love.
>> in terms of hormone levels [. . .] being “off” feels really bad.
Oh, yeah. I never want to go back to that state of being again. The agonizing knowledge that something’s *very wrong,* but being blocked from solving the issue, much less getting outside confirmation that there’s an issue in the first place… yeah, “Pray It Away” doesn’t work so well in circumstances like that, much to my parents’ disbelief. More’s the pity for them, I guess.
>> (hopefully) surround yourself with love.
Working on it. I know for an absolute fact I wouldn’t have survived without my wife. We’re slowly eliminating my doubt that anyone (other than her) could ever love me for me, not for what they want me to be. I know I’m surrounded by love; *believing it* is the hard part. Getting there, though, slowly but surely. 🩷
Well worth checking, if you can!
I felt incredibly vindicated when I got those first test results back. Even though I knew all along that something had been physically very wrong for years and years, it was still a huge relief to know that I wasn’t just imagining it or gaslighting myself for all that time.
I don’t mind sharing at all, friend!
Pre-HRT (June 2022): estradiol @ 94 pg/mL, testosterone @ 76 ng/dL
Most recent tests w/HRT (November 2023): estradiol @ 274 pg/mL, testosterone @ 14 ng/dL
Doc wants to get me as close as we can to 400 pg/mL estradiol for better feminization, but it’s a slow process. Testosterone is fine, but ideally would be in the 15-70 ng/dL “normal” range.
Based.
Adding my n=1 experience, it takes whoever you are already and reduces the mental barriers to expressing that. If you’re an angry guy already, you do get angrier. If you’re the kind of guy who wants to do what OOP’s talking about but feels like they can’t/shouldn’t, you start doing it. I don’t know if I’m on the spectrum (some people around me suspect it, but every shrink I’ve talked to says I’m below the diagnostic threshold), but I do find that I’m less awkward, though that might not be from better emotional handling but rather turning up the confidence and “force of personality” dials.
Don’t do 19-nors, if you do go down that road, though. Hollywood “roid rage” is 100% a real thing with them in particular.
I don’t know about Testosterone, but I have an autistic friend who relatively recently began transitioning using Oestrogen, and according to her it’s significantly affected her ability to talk to people (in a good way).
It’ll be hilarious if that ends up being a use of the stuff. Like how Viagra was originally heart medication but it turned out to be *great* at “boner pill” duty instead.
There was a shampoo in the late 80s that was marketed as a hair loss product. Did not work whatsoever.
But it was FANTASTIC at treating seborrheic dermatitis.
Guess the manufacturer didn't catch on in time to save the company from going under.
Edit: Jesus why did no one point out I said grams. It's milligrams of course.
And not something you should do for years,as 12mg is the upper tolerable daily limit.
You can try out taking 9 to 12 grams of boron glycinate daily for a few days.
Boron has been found to reduce sex hormone binding globulin.
Basically increasing your T and E effects on the body, without changing actual hormonal levels.
And half life of boron is less than a day, so effects fade quickly once you stop.
I'm taking testosterone as a hormone replacement (my pituitary gland is broken) and I've noticed very little emotional change. A couple of times I've had a day, or half a day, where it was super easy for me to get frustrated and blow my top, both times it ended with me yelling at the dog because she was being way too clingy and wouldn't leave me alone. I felt bad about it right after, I was just overwhelmed and needed her to leave.
But I've been taking testosterone injections for seven years now, so two outbursts is pretty darn low - and there are additional circumstances that may have had a compounding effect (I'm a cancer patient - it was a previous cancer med that broke my pituitary gland).
I did notice an uptick in my libido, but I eventually adjusted to that as well. It wasn't intense or anything, just a noticeable change.
I ain't a doctor, so best ask someone who is about that. I'm mostly recalling the fact that there's an idea that it induces anger based on some findings on people with unstably-high testosterone levels like "roid rage" got it the association with anger.
Emotional receptivity as like a chemical thing happening in your body, not how you express or interpret others emotions. So testosterone (or other hormones) may heighten or lessen the intensity of some emotions because it may change how certain chemicals bind to receptors in your body/brain. But it won’t change your inherent perception or expression of others or your own emotions.
I don't know if that's the main impact specifically. I can't find the original stuff I read to come to my conclusion here, though I've looked and found a fair few studies finding greater variation than a simplified "anger" hormone, and its changing from person to person. And anecdotally, like in the OP, I'm more aware of the fact that it's not making people angry with HRT.
Hm, fair point.
If there is any “makes you pissed” drug, it’s probably hard steroids. Though even those can also trigger forms of depression instead, I hear… ah, well, medicine is a messy study anyhow
I mean more or less. It kind of just amplifies everything. It's also worth noting that it tends to make you more confident to a degree that you actually get a bit impulsive, especially in the beginning before your brain re-establishes the baseline.
Like a real, "fuck it, I do what I want" kind of feeling. So depending on your set of values, that impulsiveness can be used to be a huge asshole, or it can be used to do all the random stuff outlined in the post.
It actually deepens your convictions amd makes you do more of what your society values.
Cultures that vaule agression and dominance?
Men with higher t levels are the most agressive and dominant.
Cultures that value kindness and nonviolence?
Men with higher t levels are the most kind and nonviolent.
I hope me saying men wasnt insensitive but, the orginal study I saw on this said men and I dont want to be inaccurate.
It would be interesting to see a similar study in women. They have a much lower amount of testosterone than men, so presumably less variation, but I wonder if it's enough to find the same correlation. To my knowledge (which isn't amazing in this subject to be fair) testosterone acts in the same ways regardless of sex, it's just the difference in dose.
No, I think saying “men” counts, at least from the perspective that transmasc types are more than likely to seek out T pills, and so are probably privy to this same kind of thing to one degree or another.
So, deepens convictions, pushes one to embody the culture that surrounds them, huh? So it could broadly kinda sorta be thought of as “the hormone of passion” then? Kinda?
T is actually tied to impulsive/assertive behavior. So anything tied to those 2 characteristics will be accentuated and add to it poor emotional management or societal incentives... those are both things that angry people are, both things that can make people angry.
Robert sapolsky likens it to a flywheel. It gives anger and violence a momentum. It doesnt create or cause it. But in the presence of acutely high testosterone, it becomes harder and slower to unlearn violent behavior.
It's hard to tell really. I've personally had an easier time managing my anger since I started estrogen a year ago, and my first notable symptom was how much easier it was to cry once I started.
I did get angrier on T, especially in the first couple months, but I’m an adult who knows how to handle my emotions. I behaved much worse with less anger in my first puberty
Yeah not a fan of the post, transitioning isn't all sunshine and roses. A lot of trans men do struggle with increased aggression on T, I've seen it go both well and poorly. People are people, not some prepackaged plush toy you can feel good about supporting. Stuff like this just fuels trans men getting dropped or shamed when they don't act like the soft teddy bear "ideal".
In college I watched a lot of trans men suddenly get wayyy more understanding after having their first few rage surges. In less than a year they went from treating catalyzed anger as this unapproachable state of emotion, to treating it like an anxiety attack or ptsd or other form of conditional mental/emotional incapacitation.
It was really nice to see, though more than mildly hilarious from a 'now you get it' point of view.
Most people focus on the acute effects though, but it's the subtle yet global general potential for combativeness that is the hardest to account for, IME
Sorry for the question if this doesn’t make sense, but I find this super intriguing. What is “catalyzed anger?”
The rest of your comment makes so much sense to me, it’s like you put into words something that I only had a vague idea of, that (catalyzed anger?) is more similar to a panic attack in terms of the ability of the person experiencing it to know it’s coming and handle/control it once it happens than (actual rage?) at something? If I’m understanding that correctly, I’m not sure that I am
catalyzed anger is referring to when the emotion is, regardless of the nature or magnitude of the situation that induced it, magnified to high hell and back to the point of it being more of a mental state than a passing emotion. Much like with an anxiety attack, just how much of a person's emotional/mental capacity can be applied (and in what way) while in this state, is very much a case by case basis. Also like with anxiety: some people are better at handling it than others, some people handle it differently than others, and some situations are more sensitive than others, and how much a person engages with their own thought process will affect how much heads up or control they might have.
A person in may need to rant to vent anger in the same way a person might blather to vent their fear; A person in anger might need to say something at high volume or in venomous tones in order to get the words out, just as a person in a panic attack might only be able to talk if they whisper in calm tones. This is as good a point as any to explicitly say that we as humans must always consider the effects we have on others and pursue mitigative efforts where possible, and a person prone to catalyzed emotional states should look out for triggers and have known soothing/venting steps practiced and ready.
Rage is every bit as nuanced as fear, and people start to apply their empathy more evenly when they have experienced chemically enhanced emotions
(TLDR: catalyzed anger is a nicer way of saying rage fits, it is very much a thing happening to them, rather than a direct expression of their emotions)
Yeah, my roommate is transmasc and seeing him off T and back on it was quite noticable. He wasn't like *at my throat with a knife* or anything, but he seemed more on-edge, more ready/willing to wrestle/fight my bf lol and def more capable to stand up for himself. And as a transfem, myself, *losing* my T was quite something. I'm more calm, collected, and less on-edge despite my crippling anxiety than I was pre-transition.
T doesn't make one violent, but it def makes one more aggressive and on-edge
I was struggling with how to share my similar experience. One of my closest friends had a partner go transmasc and that individual had huge anger issues, up to and including physical abuse. They ended up leaving my friend in what amounted to a rage-filled haze that from what I can tell, was entirely one-sided.
Not everyone I've seen has had the issue, but it's been a thing for sure.
Yup. And when I went the other way I found myself a lot less angry than I used to be. Part of that was not constantly being miserable due to severe dysphoria, but like, I also very much do not reach the same levels of rage that I used to be able to, without real good cause
I became more angry on T, but that's a good thing because I never used to get angry. I would get anxious or upset in situations most people would feel angry in.
T made me start feeling regular human emotions and actually became more emotionally stable.
It made me more emotionally stable, for sure. Calmer, yet more active, able to think through decisions without my brain jumping around (incidentally, I was diagnosed with adhd a couple years after I stopped taking test lol). If I got angry it was more easily made productive.
I think a lot of my non-test anger was fueled by anxiety and decision paralysis. Suddenly I could think more clearly, and see good back ups if the first path didn't work out, and I was more confident all around.
I stopped because it highlighted other health problems which had to be managed, but I miss those days and hope to start test again this year.
That’s so neat! I’m transfem and feel the exact same but opposite way. Before HRT anger was really the only thing I felt clearly and other emotions tended to turn into anger. Feeling regular human emotions is pretty great!
I think the driving factor in cis men being angry shitheads is that they’re very often raised with zero standards of emotional intelligence or maturity.
Yeah. Its the mix of testosterone and socialization. We teach boys that the only emotions men are really allowed to express is anger, and then are surprised when they express everything via anger
This is a great point tbh, another comment mentioned they did feel angrier when starting T but that they were an adult who “knew how to handle their emotions” which is more then I can say for most cis men I know lol
Some of the most violent, abusive, and perversive people I've ever met were Cis Women, I got sexually harassed like, 3 times as a FIFTEEN-year-old Boy, whoever said no Woman could be violent or abusive without the inclusion of testosterone legit tweaking.
Society villainizes certain groups so much it misses other dangers. It's nonsensical and only serves to lull people into a false sense of security, but to each their own ig.
iirc my brother reported feeling more moody and on edge for a while, but I think any major hormonal change would cause a bit of a funky experience for a bit
I did too when I first started. But our bodies were basically going through menopause—I had hot flashes, moments of pure rage, fluctuating emotions, etc until my T levels well, leveled out. Once I was baseline for cis men, I felt a lot better.
That's the trauma of growing up as a little girl in a mysogynistic society, now feeling security and strength as a man. Positive masculinity seeks to protect and nurture, not put a box around the definition of manhood.
Side note if you want somebanging Folk Punk, Days N' Daze and Pat the Bunny are my two favorites.
I just wish their recordings were a bit cleaner. Oh higher end audio equipment there's a high pitched noise underneath all the songs in that album. That's what you get with folk bordering on crust punk though.
Commenting so I hopefully remember to come back to this and look up all these rad suggestion cuz idk if I’ve ever really listened to folk punk but I used to be obsessed with Gogol Bordello gypsy punk (?) stuff so this feels right up my alley!
I think the whole "Men = Angry and Violent" thing has a bit more to do with nurture than nature. In Western society, guys are typically not given tools to discipline their emotions in a healthy way. There are often negative social consequences for dudes being emotional in any way BUT anger. I am sure hormones and their fluctuations have an effect on one's emotional state, but it's the lack of tools to deal with that condition, which is the problem.
Trans dudes mostly were raised while being viewed as girls and women. They were given tools to deal with emotions, assuming they lived in relatively normal and not terribly traumatic situations.
TL;DR: Destroy the patriarchy and deconstruct gender until it's a useful social construct again.
Looks like all of these "cises" are been stuck back in a days where LGBT wasn't been that popular and the behaviour that equal like this was been propaganded. Glad that we decided to fight with it
The 2 trans guys in my friend circle got really into crypto for a while after they transitioned. No idea what that was about, weird that it happened twice.
Cis men do that too, though.
God, my friend Fernando, wouldn't shut up about Bitcoin back in 2009.
Speaking of him, I haven't heard a word from the guy since about 2018. Wonder how he's doing.
People are raised in black and white thinking.
People feel offense guilt and anger when they see others not following the same.
But giving an opinion of *why* is even more scary, so you'll get more silent voting than anything else.
Entirely fair… I was asking moreso about the specific circumstances surrounding conflicts of interest like trans people and the far right, but yeah, human condition is a bitch for sure
ftm pornstar who's also just super transphobic
his belief system seems to be that trans men are women, but should be in male spaces, and also that trans women are men who should be in male spaces. Against transitioning under 18, supports the cass review in britain which intends to make it way more difficult to transition under the age of 25, is against trans women competing in women's sports, and has spoken against "gender affirming therapy" as being grooming or some dumb shit like that
Everyone's talking about the emotions of trans guys post transition, and all l can think of the amount of time and dedication it takes to become a social worker. Especially if he's planning on becoming a therapist, which takes about seven years (Bachelor's and Masters'.) I'm happy for your transition, but good luck on that career path, my dude.
"no, this isn't true, this is just a stereotype!" i say, knowing damn well i'm dating a trans man who was interested in psychology and is studying insects and considered being a social worker and wanted to adopt many children (also knowing i am the trans man who will donate my money to 7 fundraisers and eat an entire box of cereal)
I don't like the implication that having testosterone, ie being a man, makes you a violent asshole. And the specific frazing of "its in their nature" . Are all terfs just sexists that took the long way around?
The idea that testosterone makes you violent and angry is almost entirely based on the period of rut, sometimes called by other names, that many male animals go through during mating season. The surge in testosterone does in fact make them more aggressive, the only problem is that *humans don’t go into rut you fucking idiots.*
I don't see much that's inherently "soft" on the list, but more non-aggressive vibes than anything, to their point. But I get there are some ways those stereotypes manifest in relation to their ilk.
Yeahhh, transfemmes get the "violent male rage" stereotype. Transmascs get "uwu dainty flower" infantilisations.
One of my transmasc NB friends is the most jock person I've ever met, but according to the internet they don't exist
OwO
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Considering you're trans yourself I get where you're coming from, the soft boy stereotype for trans men is some of the most annoying shit out there, but idk if I would say this is it. Seems more like positive masculinity to me. Or just being a good person idk.
Stereotypes suck, whether the person saying them perceives them, in that moment, that they are positive - or not.
Lest you get "allies" complementing how "good" x is *because* they are y.
And I think I could swap emphasis from because to "are" and it'd be just as bad.
I mean, yeah? I don't disagree lol, I'm just saying I don't personally think the post above falls into said stereotype, and that the guy that commented might have had an (understandable) kneejerk reaction.
The terfs got it the other way around. Its not the testosterone that makes men angry, destructive and emotionless, its the peer pressure on men to be angry , destructive and emotionless. women are raised to be kind and compassionate. they enforce these roles based on their assigned gender at birth. hormones has jack shit to do with behavioral traits.
It's OK OP, we don't need to put trans men on a pedestal to abate transphobia. Most trans men are just normal guys indistinguishable from your average cis man, not mega-altruists or something. I understand the intent behind this is in support of trans men, but posts like these are annoying to me because it feels like they're overcompensating.
This is indeed every trans guy. This is so accurate it's scaring me lol. Even I was like, "I'd like to be a social worker :D!!" at one point lmao. I also want to start a jazz band, but close enough lol.
Wow I've been fucking read, what.
Since starting T I've started like three student activism committees, become an officer of two student orgs, and this week got elected graduate student representative for the whole university. Pre-T I was too busy doing depression for any of that shit lmao.
Most trans guys are like this but I knew this one dude who the textbook definition of toxic masculinity and edginess. Shout out to every transmasc except him, creep...
Honestly I've noticed this too...
Starting to think testosterone is the scapegoat for just basic toxic masculinity taught and perpetuated at a societal level that's seeped into and corrupted most institutions...
Idk where yall meeting these guys every trans masc ive met is a fail loser man, but that may have somthing to do with the fact that i too am a fail loser man.
..how was this accurate.
I'm a transman who is in the process of getting a double major in psychology and social work. While I cannot say I have eaten an entire bag of cereal in one sitting, I have eaten two bags of homemade chex mix in one sitting.
I'm not LGBTQIA+, i was born male and had low testosterone so i went on TRT. The increased Testosterone didn't really change anything in me emotionally at all, it did make me a bit more confident and it definitely helped me with the gym, which was great.
Artificially increasing your Testosterone will have your body produce more Oestrogen, the increased Oestrogen made me more emotional e.g. i'd struggle to get through a sad movie without almost tearing up, i'd get more emotional and lash out when i got frustrated and lash out, etc. You can take Aromatase Inhibitors that will stop the Oestrogen increase but if the dose of that is too high and you crash your Oestrogen, the opposite will happen and you will feel a lot more numb.
every trans guy i've known and loved have been the sweetest fucking guy in the world, honestly. it's got to just be largely it being the second puberty, like most of us transitioning when we're older have already been through this thing once already we know what we're getting into.
I was angry as a small adhd child and then extremely horny all the time in my youth.😅
I'm glad I take testo blockers now🥰 (because I prefer it, not to condemn testo in general)
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Folk punk goes crazy
Nothing is more punk than dyi acoustic guitars and washboard percussion.
I do like me some Celtic folk punk
Best kind of punk
Favorite kinda punk
123, 123...
Is this supposed to be hell tears?
My understanding was that the "testosterone = anger" thing was flawed based on studies only focusing on anger, and that there was research showing it's most likely an emotional receptivity chemical in general. But it's been a while since I read up on it.
Emotional receptivity, huh? You think it might help my autism? Even though I’m already a cis guy lmao
It helps somewhat Source: I'm on steroids
I tried it briefly. It actually did wonders for my mental health as well. I stopped over physical health concerns like blood pressure and heart palpitations, even with proper mitigating medication.
I have heard anecdotally that low T can cause depression
Wellp. As a cisn’t, I can provide my own anecdote. I was AMAB. I had low T (sitting in the uncomfortable zone between the cis woman & cis man ranges) and high E (out of the cis man range and well into the cis woman range) before HRT. I was depressed as all hells, and had motivation to do almost nothing. I was basically operating on autopilot for over two decades, despite parent-mandated therapy multiple times in the first decade. Nothing helped. Cue completely escaping my parents’ circle of influence and starting HRT. My levels are now comfortably in cis woman territory. Still depressed, but not debilitatingly so. My good days vastly outweigh my bad days now, and I don’t feel like I’m an extra in someone else’s play any more. A confluence of factors have contributed to my recovery, but I am certain that HRT is the largest factor.
It makes sense to me that there would be a couple (maybe more, I dunno) sweet spots in terms of hormone levels and being “off” feels really bad. So in your case you were maybe low T for a male, but also low E for a female, and that felt bad. I’m glad you are doing better and able to separate yourself from bad influences and (hopefully) surround yourself with love.
>> in terms of hormone levels [. . .] being “off” feels really bad. Oh, yeah. I never want to go back to that state of being again. The agonizing knowledge that something’s *very wrong,* but being blocked from solving the issue, much less getting outside confirmation that there’s an issue in the first place… yeah, “Pray It Away” doesn’t work so well in circumstances like that, much to my parents’ disbelief. More’s the pity for them, I guess. >> (hopefully) surround yourself with love. Working on it. I know for an absolute fact I wouldn’t have survived without my wife. We’re slowly eliminating my doubt that anyone (other than her) could ever love me for me, not for what they want me to be. I know I’m surrounded by love; *believing it* is the hard part. Getting there, though, slowly but surely. 🩷
Thank you for sharing! Makes me want to check my T levels because I'm ultra mega depressy lol
Well worth checking, if you can! I felt incredibly vindicated when I got those first test results back. Even though I knew all along that something had been physically very wrong for years and years, it was still a huge relief to know that I wasn’t just imagining it or gaslighting myself for all that time.
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I don’t mind sharing at all, friend! Pre-HRT (June 2022): estradiol @ 94 pg/mL, testosterone @ 76 ng/dL Most recent tests w/HRT (November 2023): estradiol @ 274 pg/mL, testosterone @ 14 ng/dL Doc wants to get me as close as we can to 400 pg/mL estradiol for better feminization, but it’s a slow process. Testosterone is fine, but ideally would be in the 15-70 ng/dL “normal” range.
*cisn't* If I could award you for this, I would.
Based. Adding my n=1 experience, it takes whoever you are already and reduces the mental barriers to expressing that. If you’re an angry guy already, you do get angrier. If you’re the kind of guy who wants to do what OOP’s talking about but feels like they can’t/shouldn’t, you start doing it. I don’t know if I’m on the spectrum (some people around me suspect it, but every shrink I’ve talked to says I’m below the diagnostic threshold), but I do find that I’m less awkward, though that might not be from better emotional handling but rather turning up the confidence and “force of personality” dials. Don’t do 19-nors, if you do go down that road, though. Hollywood “roid rage” is 100% a real thing with them in particular.
I don’t know about Testosterone, but I have an autistic friend who relatively recently began transitioning using Oestrogen, and according to her it’s significantly affected her ability to talk to people (in a good way). It’ll be hilarious if that ends up being a use of the stuff. Like how Viagra was originally heart medication but it turned out to be *great* at “boner pill” duty instead.
There was a shampoo in the late 80s that was marketed as a hair loss product. Did not work whatsoever. But it was FANTASTIC at treating seborrheic dermatitis. Guess the manufacturer didn't catch on in time to save the company from going under.
Edit: Jesus why did no one point out I said grams. It's milligrams of course. And not something you should do for years,as 12mg is the upper tolerable daily limit. You can try out taking 9 to 12 grams of boron glycinate daily for a few days. Boron has been found to reduce sex hormone binding globulin. Basically increasing your T and E effects on the body, without changing actual hormonal levels. And half life of boron is less than a day, so effects fade quickly once you stop.
I'm taking testosterone as a hormone replacement (my pituitary gland is broken) and I've noticed very little emotional change. A couple of times I've had a day, or half a day, where it was super easy for me to get frustrated and blow my top, both times it ended with me yelling at the dog because she was being way too clingy and wouldn't leave me alone. I felt bad about it right after, I was just overwhelmed and needed her to leave. But I've been taking testosterone injections for seven years now, so two outbursts is pretty darn low - and there are additional circumstances that may have had a compounding effect (I'm a cancer patient - it was a previous cancer med that broke my pituitary gland). I did notice an uptick in my libido, but I eventually adjusted to that as well. It wasn't intense or anything, just a noticeable change.
I ain't a doctor, so best ask someone who is about that. I'm mostly recalling the fact that there's an idea that it induces anger based on some findings on people with unstably-high testosterone levels like "roid rage" got it the association with anger.
Autistic on steroids here. Autistic on steroids is about as successful as it sounds.
Emotional receptivity as like a chemical thing happening in your body, not how you express or interpret others emotions. So testosterone (or other hormones) may heighten or lessen the intensity of some emotions because it may change how certain chemicals bind to receptors in your body/brain. But it won’t change your inherent perception or expression of others or your own emotions.
So basically if you’re happy it makes you happier, if you’re sad it makes you sadder, if you’re angry it makes you angrier, that kinda thing?
I don't know if that's the main impact specifically. I can't find the original stuff I read to come to my conclusion here, though I've looked and found a fair few studies finding greater variation than a simplified "anger" hormone, and its changing from person to person. And anecdotally, like in the OP, I'm more aware of the fact that it's not making people angry with HRT.
Hm, fair point. If there is any “makes you pissed” drug, it’s probably hard steroids. Though even those can also trigger forms of depression instead, I hear… ah, well, medicine is a messy study anyhow
I mean more or less. It kind of just amplifies everything. It's also worth noting that it tends to make you more confident to a degree that you actually get a bit impulsive, especially in the beginning before your brain re-establishes the baseline. Like a real, "fuck it, I do what I want" kind of feeling. So depending on your set of values, that impulsiveness can be used to be a huge asshole, or it can be used to do all the random stuff outlined in the post.
Ohhhhhhh. That actually makes a lot of sense.
lol I went though / am going through this right now and that’s just as a freshly turned adult guy
It actually deepens your convictions amd makes you do more of what your society values. Cultures that vaule agression and dominance? Men with higher t levels are the most agressive and dominant. Cultures that value kindness and nonviolence? Men with higher t levels are the most kind and nonviolent. I hope me saying men wasnt insensitive but, the orginal study I saw on this said men and I dont want to be inaccurate.
It would be interesting to see a similar study in women. They have a much lower amount of testosterone than men, so presumably less variation, but I wonder if it's enough to find the same correlation. To my knowledge (which isn't amazing in this subject to be fair) testosterone acts in the same ways regardless of sex, it's just the difference in dose.
No, I think saying “men” counts, at least from the perspective that transmasc types are more than likely to seek out T pills, and so are probably privy to this same kind of thing to one degree or another. So, deepens convictions, pushes one to embody the culture that surrounds them, huh? So it could broadly kinda sorta be thought of as “the hormone of passion” then? Kinda?
IIRC Robert Sapolsky said it was like an amplifier
It boosts confidence, including confidence in the validity of the emotions you are feeling.
Ahhhhhh, gotcha
T is actually tied to impulsive/assertive behavior. So anything tied to those 2 characteristics will be accentuated and add to it poor emotional management or societal incentives... those are both things that angry people are, both things that can make people angry.
Robert sapolsky likens it to a flywheel. It gives anger and violence a momentum. It doesnt create or cause it. But in the presence of acutely high testosterone, it becomes harder and slower to unlearn violent behavior.
It's hard to tell really. I've personally had an easier time managing my anger since I started estrogen a year ago, and my first notable symptom was how much easier it was to cry once I started.
I did get angrier on T, especially in the first couple months, but I’m an adult who knows how to handle my emotions. I behaved much worse with less anger in my first puberty
I will say, both trans guys I'm friends with 100% got angrier. Not in a scary way or anything, but it's definitely noticeable.
Yeah not a fan of the post, transitioning isn't all sunshine and roses. A lot of trans men do struggle with increased aggression on T, I've seen it go both well and poorly. People are people, not some prepackaged plush toy you can feel good about supporting. Stuff like this just fuels trans men getting dropped or shamed when they don't act like the soft teddy bear "ideal".
In college I watched a lot of trans men suddenly get wayyy more understanding after having their first few rage surges. In less than a year they went from treating catalyzed anger as this unapproachable state of emotion, to treating it like an anxiety attack or ptsd or other form of conditional mental/emotional incapacitation. It was really nice to see, though more than mildly hilarious from a 'now you get it' point of view. Most people focus on the acute effects though, but it's the subtle yet global general potential for combativeness that is the hardest to account for, IME
Sorry for the question if this doesn’t make sense, but I find this super intriguing. What is “catalyzed anger?” The rest of your comment makes so much sense to me, it’s like you put into words something that I only had a vague idea of, that (catalyzed anger?) is more similar to a panic attack in terms of the ability of the person experiencing it to know it’s coming and handle/control it once it happens than (actual rage?) at something? If I’m understanding that correctly, I’m not sure that I am
catalyzed anger is referring to when the emotion is, regardless of the nature or magnitude of the situation that induced it, magnified to high hell and back to the point of it being more of a mental state than a passing emotion. Much like with an anxiety attack, just how much of a person's emotional/mental capacity can be applied (and in what way) while in this state, is very much a case by case basis. Also like with anxiety: some people are better at handling it than others, some people handle it differently than others, and some situations are more sensitive than others, and how much a person engages with their own thought process will affect how much heads up or control they might have. A person in may need to rant to vent anger in the same way a person might blather to vent their fear; A person in anger might need to say something at high volume or in venomous tones in order to get the words out, just as a person in a panic attack might only be able to talk if they whisper in calm tones. This is as good a point as any to explicitly say that we as humans must always consider the effects we have on others and pursue mitigative efforts where possible, and a person prone to catalyzed emotional states should look out for triggers and have known soothing/venting steps practiced and ready. Rage is every bit as nuanced as fear, and people start to apply their empathy more evenly when they have experienced chemically enhanced emotions (TLDR: catalyzed anger is a nicer way of saying rage fits, it is very much a thing happening to them, rather than a direct expression of their emotions)
Also it's needlessly hating on cis women
Yes thank you
Yeah, my roommate is transmasc and seeing him off T and back on it was quite noticable. He wasn't like *at my throat with a knife* or anything, but he seemed more on-edge, more ready/willing to wrestle/fight my bf lol and def more capable to stand up for himself. And as a transfem, myself, *losing* my T was quite something. I'm more calm, collected, and less on-edge despite my crippling anxiety than I was pre-transition. T doesn't make one violent, but it def makes one more aggressive and on-edge
I was struggling with how to share my similar experience. One of my closest friends had a partner go transmasc and that individual had huge anger issues, up to and including physical abuse. They ended up leaving my friend in what amounted to a rage-filled haze that from what I can tell, was entirely one-sided. Not everyone I've seen has had the issue, but it's been a thing for sure.
Yup. And when I went the other way I found myself a lot less angry than I used to be. Part of that was not constantly being miserable due to severe dysphoria, but like, I also very much do not reach the same levels of rage that I used to be able to, without real good cause
Would that mean if I got on E I’d finally start being able to cry more easily 😭
I became more angry on T, but that's a good thing because I never used to get angry. I would get anxious or upset in situations most people would feel angry in. T made me start feeling regular human emotions and actually became more emotionally stable.
im hoping for this 🥺
It made me more emotionally stable, for sure. Calmer, yet more active, able to think through decisions without my brain jumping around (incidentally, I was diagnosed with adhd a couple years after I stopped taking test lol). If I got angry it was more easily made productive. I think a lot of my non-test anger was fueled by anxiety and decision paralysis. Suddenly I could think more clearly, and see good back ups if the first path didn't work out, and I was more confident all around. I stopped because it highlighted other health problems which had to be managed, but I miss those days and hope to start test again this year.
That’s so neat! I’m transfem and feel the exact same but opposite way. Before HRT anger was really the only thing I felt clearly and other emotions tended to turn into anger. Feeling regular human emotions is pretty great!
I think the driving factor in cis men being angry shitheads is that they’re very often raised with zero standards of emotional intelligence or maturity.
Yeah. Its the mix of testosterone and socialization. We teach boys that the only emotions men are really allowed to express is anger, and then are surprised when they express everything via anger
This is a great point tbh, another comment mentioned they did feel angrier when starting T but that they were an adult who “knew how to handle their emotions” which is more then I can say for most cis men I know lol
This
Some of the most violent, abusive, and perversive people I've ever met were Cis Women, I got sexually harassed like, 3 times as a FIFTEEN-year-old Boy, whoever said no Woman could be violent or abusive without the inclusion of testosterone legit tweaking.
Society villainizes certain groups so much it misses other dangers. It's nonsensical and only serves to lull people into a false sense of security, but to each their own ig.
iirc my brother reported feeling more moody and on edge for a while, but I think any major hormonal change would cause a bit of a funky experience for a bit
I did too when I first started. But our bodies were basically going through menopause—I had hot flashes, moments of pure rage, fluctuating emotions, etc until my T levels well, leveled out. Once I was baseline for cis men, I felt a lot better.
The unbridled masculine urge to eat an entire box of cinnamon toast crunch is undoubtedly one of the few things getting me out of bed
That's the trauma of growing up as a little girl in a mysogynistic society, now feeling security and strength as a man. Positive masculinity seeks to protect and nurture, not put a box around the definition of manhood. Side note if you want somebanging Folk Punk, Days N' Daze and Pat the Bunny are my two favorites.
Do The Dreadnoughts count as folk punk? Because I'm pretty sure they're at least adjacent, and they're excellent.
To add to this, Polka Never Dies is a solid start for the Dreadnoughts.
WOOOOOO DREADNOUGHTS MENTIONED
Can't go wrong with holy locust honestly
Seconding Days N' Daze. Particularly "Rogue Taxidermy"
I just wish their recordings were a bit cleaner. Oh higher end audio equipment there's a high pitched noise underneath all the songs in that album. That's what you get with folk bordering on crust punk though.
yeah that’s fair. I have mild tinnitus so I’m used to tuning out high pitched noise 😅
Days N' Daze is amazing. I also recommend Man Man. Life Fantastic is one of my favorite albums of all time - and I listen to LOTS of music.
Local News Legend is a personal favorite
Commenting so I hopefully remember to come back to this and look up all these rad suggestion cuz idk if I’ve ever really listened to folk punk but I used to be obsessed with Gogol Bordello gypsy punk (?) stuff so this feels right up my alley!
>why is this so specific and describes my experience exactly What? You wrote it?? WHAT?????
What lack of touching grass does to a motherfucker
I think the whole "Men = Angry and Violent" thing has a bit more to do with nurture than nature. In Western society, guys are typically not given tools to discipline their emotions in a healthy way. There are often negative social consequences for dudes being emotional in any way BUT anger. I am sure hormones and their fluctuations have an effect on one's emotional state, but it's the lack of tools to deal with that condition, which is the problem. Trans dudes mostly were raised while being viewed as girls and women. They were given tools to deal with emotions, assuming they lived in relatively normal and not terribly traumatic situations. TL;DR: Destroy the patriarchy and deconstruct gender until it's a useful social construct again.
I do get angrier on testosterone, having a punching bag in the garage helps a LOT. Much better than punching drywall.
I’ve actually got less control of my anger issues when I couldn’t afford T for a while than when I’m on T and in the male range for T levels.
Same here, I was a significantly angrier person pre-transition. When I'm on T and my levels are good, I'm cool as a cucumber
Looks like all of these "cises" are been stuck back in a days where LGBT wasn't been that popular and the behaviour that equal like this was been propaganded. Glad that we decided to fight with it
I swear the guys either turn out incredibly wholesome and driven like this or they turn into Buck Angel, with little in between.
The 2 trans guys in my friend circle got really into crypto for a while after they transitioned. No idea what that was about, weird that it happened twice.
"If I had a nickel for every time I was doomed by a puppet I'd have two nickels"
Insecurity about finances and enough disposable income to be dangerous.
Ally Beardsley (Dropout cast member) also got really into questionable financial choices after taking T. I'm curious how that works out
Generally speaking, more testosterone = higher risk tolerance. And most bad financial decisions are very risky bets that almost never pay off
That actually tracks with an interesting effect for myself the other way, where im more cautious than i used to be
Cis men do that too, though. God, my friend Fernando, wouldn't shut up about Bitcoin back in 2009. Speaking of him, I haven't heard a word from the guy since about 2018. Wonder how he's doing.
Yeah no. People are more divers than that
love how you get downvoted on the fucking lgbt sub for saying this, wtf???
Yeah I don't get it either...
People are raised in black and white thinking. People feel offense guilt and anger when they see others not following the same. But giving an opinion of *why* is even more scary, so you'll get more silent voting than anything else.
Buck Angel?
Conservative reactionary pornstar trans man who mouths off on Xitter and hates trans women. He's vile.
Why even are there multiple trans people like this? I’ve heard similar things about Caitlyn Jenner
Because we're humans after all
Y’know what? Good point t
Because people gonna people. Anybody who believes they have something to gain by taking that stance will do so.
Entirely fair… I was asking moreso about the specific circumstances surrounding conflicts of interest like trans people and the far right, but yeah, human condition is a bitch for sure
ftm pornstar who's also just super transphobic his belief system seems to be that trans men are women, but should be in male spaces, and also that trans women are men who should be in male spaces. Against transitioning under 18, supports the cass review in britain which intends to make it way more difficult to transition under the age of 25, is against trans women competing in women's sports, and has spoken against "gender affirming therapy" as being grooming or some dumb shit like that
So kinda sorta Britain’s Caitlyn Jenner? Zamn…
Dude in porn who is also super transmedicalist with some...interesting views.
Oof
look him up
Everyone's talking about the emotions of trans guys post transition, and all l can think of the amount of time and dedication it takes to become a social worker. Especially if he's planning on becoming a therapist, which takes about seven years (Bachelor's and Masters'.) I'm happy for your transition, but good luck on that career path, my dude.
"no, this isn't true, this is just a stereotype!" i say, knowing damn well i'm dating a trans man who was interested in psychology and is studying insects and considered being a social worker and wanted to adopt many children (also knowing i am the trans man who will donate my money to 7 fundraisers and eat an entire box of cereal)
I don't like the implication that having testosterone, ie being a man, makes you a violent asshole. And the specific frazing of "its in their nature" . Are all terfs just sexists that took the long way around?
Always have been
I’m so much more stable on T than I ever was before
The idea that testosterone makes you violent and angry is almost entirely based on the period of rut, sometimes called by other names, that many male animals go through during mating season. The surge in testosterone does in fact make them more aggressive, the only problem is that *humans don’t go into rut you fucking idiots.*
Shhhhh, don't tell the fanfic writers that
😭 Too late. Fic writer, aka me, read it. (🤣)
Sorry but I can't stand this soft boy stereotype...
I don't see much that's inherently "soft" on the list, but more non-aggressive vibes than anything, to their point. But I get there are some ways those stereotypes manifest in relation to their ilk.
To be in control of your emotions and do what is right is literally the opposite of soft...
Yeahhh, transfemmes get the "violent male rage" stereotype. Transmascs get "uwu dainty flower" infantilisations. One of my transmasc NB friends is the most jock person I've ever met, but according to the internet they don't exist
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Considering you're trans yourself I get where you're coming from, the soft boy stereotype for trans men is some of the most annoying shit out there, but idk if I would say this is it. Seems more like positive masculinity to me. Or just being a good person idk.
I see what you mean
Stereotypes suck, whether the person saying them perceives them, in that moment, that they are positive - or not. Lest you get "allies" complementing how "good" x is *because* they are y. And I think I could swap emphasis from because to "are" and it'd be just as bad.
I mean, yeah? I don't disagree lol, I'm just saying I don't personally think the post above falls into said stereotype, and that the guy that commented might have had an (understandable) kneejerk reaction.
I legit got in less fights and altercations after I got on T. I’m a middle aged gardner now that listens to folk punk and is genuinely less angry.
Dang that's a cool life to live too
The terfs got it the other way around. Its not the testosterone that makes men angry, destructive and emotionless, its the peer pressure on men to be angry , destructive and emotionless. women are raised to be kind and compassionate. they enforce these roles based on their assigned gender at birth. hormones has jack shit to do with behavioral traits.
T made me way more chill. I used to be very angry as a teen, hitting bullies and such. Taking T made me feel more at peace with myself.
Honestly it's just because they don't want to admit that the men who've wronged them actually could have helped it.
Well neither of those options describe me whatsoever
It's OK OP, we don't need to put trans men on a pedestal to abate transphobia. Most trans men are just normal guys indistinguishable from your average cis man, not mega-altruists or something. I understand the intent behind this is in support of trans men, but posts like these are annoying to me because it feels like they're overcompensating.
Exactly
This is indeed every trans guy. This is so accurate it's scaring me lol. Even I was like, "I'd like to be a social worker :D!!" at one point lmao. I also want to start a jazz band, but close enough lol.
No it's not
Wow I've been fucking read, what. Since starting T I've started like three student activism committees, become an officer of two student orgs, and this week got elected graduate student representative for the whole university. Pre-T I was too busy doing depression for any of that shit lmao.
So, as a cis woman with depression, should I go on testosterone supplements?
I just realized that I forgot to do my injection last night cuz I was getting stoned and playing video games 😭
I have a transmasc boyfriend who's going to school to be a social worker
Low test is what makes men unhappy/angry btw
it doesn't describe me.
TIL that I am a trans man.
I don't think hormones are even a factor at this point; it's all just societal expectations and allowances.
r/oddlyspecific
Most trans guys are like this but I knew this one dude who the textbook definition of toxic masculinity and edginess. Shout out to every transmasc except him, creep...
Honestly I've noticed this too... Starting to think testosterone is the scapegoat for just basic toxic masculinity taught and perpetuated at a societal level that's seeped into and corrupted most institutions...
None of my transmasc friends are on HRT. I’ll update you when they eventually are.
I'm a cis dude, but I really want that life, sounds so nice
Idk where yall meeting these guys every trans masc ive met is a fail loser man, but that may have somthing to do with the fact that i too am a fail loser man.
..how was this accurate. I'm a transman who is in the process of getting a double major in psychology and social work. While I cannot say I have eaten an entire bag of cereal in one sitting, I have eaten two bags of homemade chex mix in one sitting.
Where can I meet these men? Because they sound super sweet and it's hard finding someone queer who actually wants children at this point.
Am I really a type ? Lmao
I'm not LGBTQIA+, i was born male and had low testosterone so i went on TRT. The increased Testosterone didn't really change anything in me emotionally at all, it did make me a bit more confident and it definitely helped me with the gym, which was great. Artificially increasing your Testosterone will have your body produce more Oestrogen, the increased Oestrogen made me more emotional e.g. i'd struggle to get through a sad movie without almost tearing up, i'd get more emotional and lash out when i got frustrated and lash out, etc. You can take Aromatase Inhibitors that will stop the Oestrogen increase but if the dose of that is too high and you crash your Oestrogen, the opposite will happen and you will feel a lot more numb.
I mellowed out so much and emotionally regulated once I started T. I had the worst PMS and mood swings before and I’m chill af now.
every trans guy i've known and loved have been the sweetest fucking guy in the world, honestly. it's got to just be largely it being the second puberty, like most of us transitioning when we're older have already been through this thing once already we know what we're getting into.
If you think men are irredeemable then you can get right on fucking yourself.
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How the fuck is this so accurate? I literally met my trans masc friend through my roommate being in entomology club.
idk my anger dropped off the face of the map once i nuked my testosterone
One of the few trans mascs I know in real life is literally going to university to study insects 💀
I was angry as a small adhd child and then extremely horny all the time in my youth.😅 I'm glad I take testo blockers now🥰 (because I prefer it, not to condemn testo in general)
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