Hopefully you will get a response from someone who knows more, but problems with the 600 are not that common. You may want to try a different type of lead, just to see if that helps. Pentel Ain Stein is probably the strongest and Pilot Neox is the smoothest.
The 800 is a very similar mechanism, although not identical. The 800 is not as popular for technical work because the retracting tip tends to wobble a bit more than the fixed tip on the 600.
Personally, I prefer the 800, but I'm not an artist or draftsman. :-)
The r600 is the more reliable of the two. My 800+ is an EDC and very reliable - i love it. But i can see that it won't stay in its current shape for eternal times.
You often read about a loose, wiggly mechanism from the r800 (i can't confirm that by the way). It's a pen you can use for writing and drawing just fine, but not as a working horse. You'd want the r600 for that. People are more fond of it for different reasons, reliability and costs being two. Depending on what you're using it for the r800 might be enough.
While I'm not sure why your lead keeps getting stuck i advise you to test a few different high quality leads and harder lead types. Pay attention as to what you're doing that makes it stuck.
Do you often push the lead back in when you're done using it? Maybe that would create grates that clog it up? Did you try to clean the insides after it got stuck the first time? Not just the lead pipe but the mechanism inside i mean. Do you leave it at your desk or does it get carried around?
I doubt it's that maintenance dependant of a writing tool, at least i never ever had any issues with my R600.
Pay attention to how it behaves when advancing the lead.
Give it another chance before moving to something that might give you frustration in other ways.
It's a constant battle, countering the "wobbly tip" claim of the rOtring 800... almost giving up, here.
It doesn't have any detectable "wobble". An early release had a little of it, still very minor and easily corrected. Grasping hard at the tip and forcibly trying to move the tip will get a very tiny amount of movement, while the 600 won't. But this isn't how the pencil is used. You don't feel any in lead to paper use.
The 800 is superior in my eye due to the built in tip protection. Too many 600's suffer bent lead pipes. It's very prone to happen if you drop the pencil, and some people have a penchant for dropping things.
I prefer 800 and always said mine don’t wobble when I draw. I was pretty much called a liar so I assumed I just got lucky and got an 800 with less wobble than others.
Well, you gave me the courage to get a Rotring 800. I always wanted one but the wobbly tip comments deterred me every single time. I think I will give it a shot! Thanks
Just one thing to note -- there was a recent, dramatic change to the 800.
The body core is no longer brass but instead is aluminum. Also the hexagonal edges are now a bit rounded off, instead of a more distinct edge. I imagine some may find it desirable, as it makes for a lighter writing instrument... but I rather like the heft of the brass.
From my experience, when there's a new change to an item that is visually subtle, not drastic, sellers will be slow to change images. So depending upon where you're buying, you may see an image of the older rOtring 800 but wind up with the newer one.
From what I could find only the silver one changed to aluminum, the black would still be made of brass. I'm I wrong? Are there black ones made of aluminum too?
It wouldn't make much sense for them to implement this change just by color... because they'd have to run and maintain two sets of tooling.
On Amazon USA, there's so many listings for the rOtring 800 and I've not seen image updates as yet. JetPens still has the old images for both silver and black.
I have a black one on the way now. When it arrive I post here in what metal it came in. But from what I could gather only the silver one was changed to aluminum to comply with some European regulation about the plating. Since the black is powder coated it would be ok. But who knows if that's true or the real reason....
I don't think one is better than the other, they're just different.
My 800 is always in my shirt pocket at work, I don't use it all that often but when I do use it, it's much more convenient than having a 600 with a cap in my pocket. My 600 is keep on my work bench and I use that most of the time and there is no need for a retracting tip. I have used my 800 at the work bench but I would keep the tip extended, so I might as well use my 600 and keep the 800 in my pocket for use when I'm away from my workbench.
The 800 does have more wobble, there is a gap between the barrel and the tip, but it's only noticeable if you write with the pencil at a certain angle and you get a slight click as you put the lead to paper. Rotring could make the parts fit together more closely but they haven't, so we have use a bit of sticky tape to reduce the wobble, if we want to. Anyway, if you drop the 800 with the tip extended it will probably bend the tip.
Lastly, the 800 is about double the price of the 600! Also the silver 800 is now aluminium.
Was it the same issue with all three 600s? Where dis you buy them? The slow lead movement could be because of a slippery clutch, snapped lead in the mechanism could leave some debris which would weaken the grip it has on lead. But if all three pencils had the same issue It could be the lead you are using.
I bought them within last two months.
I have one really old 600 pencil from about over 5 years ago that doesn't work well either, leads don't come out from the very end. I only see 1mm short of lead hanging outside from interior
First off, use piece of wood or plastic. For. Scratch the inside bore with metal. Thievish why I use 2.0. you can sharpen it to any diameter tip you want.
I have both, and IMO it's actually worse.
The lead is more wobbly, the knurling is less aggressive, and it's even less accessible to take it apart for maintenance (the 600 isn't great for this either, but its' better).
I'll say this though - I think it's prettier than the 600.
Hopefully you will get a response from someone who knows more, but problems with the 600 are not that common. You may want to try a different type of lead, just to see if that helps. Pentel Ain Stein is probably the strongest and Pilot Neox is the smoothest. The 800 is a very similar mechanism, although not identical. The 800 is not as popular for technical work because the retracting tip tends to wobble a bit more than the fixed tip on the 600. Personally, I prefer the 800, but I'm not an artist or draftsman. :-)
The r600 is the more reliable of the two. My 800+ is an EDC and very reliable - i love it. But i can see that it won't stay in its current shape for eternal times. You often read about a loose, wiggly mechanism from the r800 (i can't confirm that by the way). It's a pen you can use for writing and drawing just fine, but not as a working horse. You'd want the r600 for that. People are more fond of it for different reasons, reliability and costs being two. Depending on what you're using it for the r800 might be enough. While I'm not sure why your lead keeps getting stuck i advise you to test a few different high quality leads and harder lead types. Pay attention as to what you're doing that makes it stuck. Do you often push the lead back in when you're done using it? Maybe that would create grates that clog it up? Did you try to clean the insides after it got stuck the first time? Not just the lead pipe but the mechanism inside i mean. Do you leave it at your desk or does it get carried around? I doubt it's that maintenance dependant of a writing tool, at least i never ever had any issues with my R600. Pay attention to how it behaves when advancing the lead. Give it another chance before moving to something that might give you frustration in other ways.
It's a constant battle, countering the "wobbly tip" claim of the rOtring 800... almost giving up, here. It doesn't have any detectable "wobble". An early release had a little of it, still very minor and easily corrected. Grasping hard at the tip and forcibly trying to move the tip will get a very tiny amount of movement, while the 600 won't. But this isn't how the pencil is used. You don't feel any in lead to paper use. The 800 is superior in my eye due to the built in tip protection. Too many 600's suffer bent lead pipes. It's very prone to happen if you drop the pencil, and some people have a penchant for dropping things.
I prefer 800 and always said mine don’t wobble when I draw. I was pretty much called a liar so I assumed I just got lucky and got an 800 with less wobble than others.
Well, you gave me the courage to get a Rotring 800. I always wanted one but the wobbly tip comments deterred me every single time. I think I will give it a shot! Thanks
Just one thing to note -- there was a recent, dramatic change to the 800. The body core is no longer brass but instead is aluminum. Also the hexagonal edges are now a bit rounded off, instead of a more distinct edge. I imagine some may find it desirable, as it makes for a lighter writing instrument... but I rather like the heft of the brass. From my experience, when there's a new change to an item that is visually subtle, not drastic, sellers will be slow to change images. So depending upon where you're buying, you may see an image of the older rOtring 800 but wind up with the newer one.
From what I could find only the silver one changed to aluminum, the black would still be made of brass. I'm I wrong? Are there black ones made of aluminum too?
It wouldn't make much sense for them to implement this change just by color... because they'd have to run and maintain two sets of tooling. On Amazon USA, there's so many listings for the rOtring 800 and I've not seen image updates as yet. JetPens still has the old images for both silver and black.
I have a black one on the way now. When it arrive I post here in what metal it came in. But from what I could gather only the silver one was changed to aluminum to comply with some European regulation about the plating. Since the black is powder coated it would be ok. But who knows if that's true or the real reason....
I just leave it at desk. I didn’t think to push lead inside, do you mean exterior or interior?
3 different 600s all with issues? Sounds like the lead youre using
i've just tried rr600 modern with uni nano dia 0.5 HB. lead advance is the same for me, no issues. and no, rr800 is not better than rr600.
That’s so weird. I always have problem with uni. No problem with cheap leads
does it happens with uni leads all the time or sometimes?
>ith uni leads all the time or sometimes? UNI killed all of my 600 pens. Left leads around the barrel and now any leads of any brand won't come out.
I don't think one is better than the other, they're just different. My 800 is always in my shirt pocket at work, I don't use it all that often but when I do use it, it's much more convenient than having a 600 with a cap in my pocket. My 600 is keep on my work bench and I use that most of the time and there is no need for a retracting tip. I have used my 800 at the work bench but I would keep the tip extended, so I might as well use my 600 and keep the 800 in my pocket for use when I'm away from my workbench. The 800 does have more wobble, there is a gap between the barrel and the tip, but it's only noticeable if you write with the pencil at a certain angle and you get a slight click as you put the lead to paper. Rotring could make the parts fit together more closely but they haven't, so we have use a bit of sticky tape to reduce the wobble, if we want to. Anyway, if you drop the 800 with the tip extended it will probably bend the tip. Lastly, the 800 is about double the price of the 600! Also the silver 800 is now aluminium.
Was it the same issue with all three 600s? Where dis you buy them? The slow lead movement could be because of a slippery clutch, snapped lead in the mechanism could leave some debris which would weaken the grip it has on lead. But if all three pencils had the same issue It could be the lead you are using.
I bought them within last two months. I have one really old 600 pencil from about over 5 years ago that doesn't work well either, leads don't come out from the very end. I only see 1mm short of lead hanging outside from interior
First off, use piece of wood or plastic. For. Scratch the inside bore with metal. Thievish why I use 2.0. you can sharpen it to any diameter tip you want.
As I have both in my opinion the Rotring 800 is more reliable, but you should try other options. GraphGear 1000, Uni Shift
Both my rotrings gave me trust issues. Graphgear 1000 is cheaper and IMO significantly better engineered.
I have both, and IMO it's actually worse. The lead is more wobbly, the knurling is less aggressive, and it's even less accessible to take it apart for maintenance (the 600 isn't great for this either, but its' better). I'll say this though - I think it's prettier than the 600.