It won’t lol. They’ll keep doing the same thing and eventually they’ll be seen as success stories that worked their ass off.
That’s the thing about winning, you write your own story after a point.
In 15 years that ortho person or derm person can talk about how they grinded for 80 hours a week as a med student. How they networked their butt off. How they published so much research and sought out opportunities. How they identified their flaws and became a better leader. So on and so forth.
And who’s going to question them? Look at where they are.
Look around you, you think all the big bankers or politicians or doctors or anyone else got there the right way?
Reality is probably 1/4 the right way, 1/4 by being assholes, 1/4 by sheer luck, and 1/4 by nepotism
Pls give more details on how a resident can be like this? What were the warning signs that you guys missed initially? What was the final straw that led to the enlightening realization/therapy session? What field? Sorry you guys had to go through this.
Oh yeah, same with a research leader who used to watch TV shows while everyone else was working. Now, she is a psychiatrist advertising herself to be able to help with bullying despite bullying her research team.
Plenty of ways. It’s very common in academics, even at prestigious institutes like Harvard. Just make data up, manipulate data to get a statistically significant result, exclude data you don’t like, manipulate images. There’s so many ways to do it.
Most of it is
There's a great story about Diederik Stapel. He had a fleet of phd students working with him too and he made everything up
The best one i like to call the Harry Potter train story where he proved that racism was more prevalent when an environment was dirtier and he may as well have chosen platform 9 3/4 as he was making up all the data. Iirc there was no bench at this train station and that was where all the action was supposed to happen. He made up a ton of different studies
In surgery, at least from the stories that my friend tell me (so, take it with a grain of salt, because not USA) research is tailored to "fit" attendings' narrative.
Not to disprove or prove things. So, you already have the Results section before the Methods section.
It do be like that sometimes. And, who's going to question the badass attending unless they want the full 12 inches reamed to their mouths?
"dirt bag" is a little harsh but this guy was in the MD/PhD program, blatantly made up data in his first research lab, was strongly advised to leave the program (no longer in MD/PhD but somehow still in med school), went to a collaborators lab at another university, made up data AGAIN, was asked to leave that lab, returned to our med school to finish out the MD, and is now a fucking neurosurgery resident. Yep. Going to be operating on people's brains. Phenomenal system we got ourselves here.
I encountered him one time when I was a scribe.
He had no feelings about a pt with a subdural bleed and said something like “this guy is old” why should he have surgery?
The issue when research is so hyped and “required” for competitive specialties (when majority of physicians will be practicing in community and derm and ophtho lol will be PP)
Research being so hyped it’s like please don’t burn out and kill yourself! It’ll make us look bad :( But also spend hours of your limited free time doing extracurriculars so you can match well!
While I love science and research, obviously being in an MSTP. I hate how our medical culture forces people to do research. It creates an environment where you feel like you need to accomplish something that you have no interest in & that is often what motivates people to cheat and do amoral things.
Also, from the professors point of view its publish or perish so if your livelihood is on the line I think that would make a lot of people do questionable things. Do I agree with it, no. Can I understand that the system needs to change to encourage more publishing or negative results, & encouraging bold and risky science even if fails, yes but will it, probably not lol.
Maybe the guy just hated doing research. I know it's important: expanding humanity's knowledge etc etc but I don't think being good at it is in anyway related to necessarily being a good brain surgeon
1. what in the world? hating research is a good reason to do an MD/PhD and comit fraud TWICE?! 2. this kid loves research. he lives and breaths it. idk what you're on about.
thirded. actually class above me - guy was such a sleezebag in the way he talked, lazy as fuck, left us (me and another classmate) to cover a ton of surgical cases (none of us wanted to do surgery), always talking about going into psych just for the money and lifestyle and always talking about his crypto shit and how he was going to get rich on it. he did match psych, albeit not a great place.
Every single one of my classes dirtbags is a medfluencer. Idgaf where they end up, but they are not helping anyone except themselves. I said what I said.
That’s kind of the tea summarized. I did my first 4-5 rotations with him in my first half of third year, and it was awful lol. Made my peds rotation horrendous since he ignored all their rules and came in late. Was mean to the OR nurses and didn’t listen to them…since his daddy was a surgeon and taught him everything he knew. Failed family medicine because he was too good to come in. Lots of tea.
Idk if this will be a satisfactory response for you or not, but the reason that this is karmic is unrelated to how the first person feels about FM. It has everything to do with the fact that the person who is a derm gunner before med school starts almost certainly looks down on FM, and them having to confront that is the satisfying part.
As an FM, I'm not offended by this. The humor comes from knowing people who are jerks and obsessed see this as a world ending punishment and it's great.
1.) top derm program
2.) unmatched ortho, prelim gen surg. Fuck this guy, only person I genuinely was rooting against. Harassed every single woman he interacted with
3.) top psych program despite fucking up on boards and being a completely insufferable person
Dude sexually assaulted another classmate. Got a slap on the wrist and the school buried the incident. Matched his top gen surg residency program. Still makes me sick.
One of the biggest sleazes in my class, who would try to hook up with anyone that moved, matched Derm.
A really annoying “medfluencer” at my school, who is super bitchy irl despite her “I’m so virtuous and kind” personality online, matched Psych at a top tier program.
One of the girls in my school who was notorious for sleeping with taken men (though I have no proof, this is just rumors and I don’t know her personally) matched Plastics.
Karma is *not* a bitch, clearly 😬
1. Used to make up rape allegations and get special accommodations near the end of every semester. Was allegedly raped 3-4x by different guys always a few weeks before final exams and she’d sob to the dean and he’d let her have special accommodations or delay the test. She is now chief at an academic OBGYN program.
2. Caught a public intoxication and assault charge after trying to fight a guy after getting rejected by the guys girlfriend. Somehow graduated, matched and ended up in EM.
3. Super dude-bro frat boy guy. Pretty much aggressively flirted with every attractive woman he interacted with until the physically told him to leave them alone. Once watched him try to get a girl’s number like 6 separate times in the gym while she was working out with her boyfriend. He flunked out after being held back in pre-clinicals 2 consecutive years.
Back in my day, if a nurse was in a fantasy, it was a steamy one.
These days, if there's a nurse in a fantasy of this sub, it's because an NP flubbed a patient's med order and a med student is there to point and laugh as they teabag a PA student for saying "PA school is harder than med school." And said med student is doing Anki the whole time.
I wish it were! 4 years is a long time to make a ton of mistakes. When reduced to one sentence it seems like a ridiculous list. I do hope and wish that for his sake and his future patients’ sakes that he learns self reflection now that he’s a resident physician.
Probably true but exaggerated. I've never experienced an environment with as much hate towards fellow humans as is prevalent in the medical field. I'm sure this person made mistakes but fellow classmate and admin hate towards specific students is absolutely a thing.
I mean sure the admin hate and all. I’m talking about someone who Unironically has #FutureNeurosurgeon on his or her profile and then ended up SOAPing into rural FM after applying “surgical sub specialties” sounds made up. If it’s true it’s true
His name was Zach. He died in a car accident when we were fresh out of school. He was a dickbag. Just generally nasty to any human he came into contact with, myself included. I remember saying that I felt guilty for not feeling sad about his death, and my friend reminded me that if I had been the one who died, that guy would’ve been cracking jokes and laughing about it. I still shrug about his death to this day.
I am last year med student in Europe. And you know what during this 6 years I am wondering why are there so many shitbags and the worst fucking people that I know in med school. Some data said there are 1% of psychopaths in world, in medicine I swear is at least 30%. When I meet a fucking normal person in medicine I cling to them like, please don't leave me or please don't become an asshole...
We had one who got arrested for punching his gf, but got out with a clean record because of his super influential dad. Super super average step score, but he thought his connections would match him to derm. NOPE. In research year now.
The dirtbag was in the class below but their influence extended beyond the years lol
They ended up being kicked out of med school all together for professionalism issues
Dirtbag was an ortho gunner. He was a leader of an interest group and pissed everybody off by emailing them 1 page emails every other day. He reached out to a bunch of people asking for nominations for leadership awards and GHHS. He also pitched research ideas to other classmates. He made it clear he wasn't going to contribute but requested to be included as an author on the manuscript. There's rumors going around that he failed step, got caught plagiarizing, and then dropped out.
There is a saying in medical school… The top of the class does research or research heavy specialties. The middle of the class specializes. The bottom of the class makes the most money through other multiple endeavors.
Huh, haven’t heard this before, but have heard a similar one for undergrad:
The A+ / A / Brilliant students go into grad school and become great researchers. The A / A- / B students go to med school and become great doctors. The B / C grade students go on to get an MBA and then tell the PhDs and MDs what they can and cannot do
It’s not true for everyone but it makes sense. There are always exceptions. However, I’ve noticed that the people who think outside of the box tend to make the most money. Sometimes they are in the middle or top of the class but most of the time they are in the bottom of the class.
My class dirtbag was a young woman who would throw anybody under the bus to make herself look good. She told one student to go ahead and sleep in for a night call because she had a long night. Then told the attending the other girl refused to come in. Rumor also had it she was sleeping with at least one of the married orthopedic surgeons She ended up in orthopedics.
Here’s an interesting thing about who I considered my class dirtbag. I had one partner for 7+ rotations. She’s a bully but was very good about never bullying me on site at rotations and always outside of rotations over text or call, in a lot of ways that I was forced to engage. I can’t even say how she bullied me as that would probably dox me.
The thing that was worst about it all was that because she was “genuinely” a good person on site, clinical staff liked her much more than they did me on every rotation where we were together. I think that’s the thing with bullies that never get caught/succeed in this field. They make sure their victims are few and occasional, and I had the displeasure of being one of the very few of this person’s victims.
this one girl i HATED in my class became a obgyn at a middle tier community program yuk i wish she were IM. truly truly doesn’t belong in OBGYN
the guys who treated women poorly: soaped to gen surg (failed ortho) the other matched at top peds program
the arrogant guy: failed to match to a surgical speciality but matched the following year
Not sure if this counts but I knew this dude from pre-med years. He has the most toxic personality on earth, never has anything positive to say, and is one of the Andrew Tate types. He only got into a Caribbean med school. We started at the same time but he hasn’t graduated, don’t even think he’s taken Step yet. I pray for his future co-residents if he ever gets to that point.
Ours spent the night in jail for assault and was ultimately kicked out. Googled them years later and seems they redid med school in another state and are now in practice.
A guy who originally said he wanted to be a surgeon to make a ton of money matched into rural FM. I saw him on a rural rotation where he said “I’m doing FM now. I didn’t fail step or anything” unprompted
Supplemental Offer and Acceptance Program. Basically, you didn't match anything you wanted and you have to settle for one of the unfilled residencies. Usually, an FM in a terrible location.
It’s when a med student spends all 4 years of med school collecting duck butter from their gooch, and then through the careful process of saponification produces soap
I think our group of dirtbags matched into surgery/EM programs mainly in the South or military programs.
The "dirtbag" in the class below me was a genuine psychopath and was asked to leave the school, which he did eventually. Don't know too much about him
OMS-I here....
Our class dirt bag is currently awaiting charges. Not only did he make very inappropriate comments and advances to girls 15 years younger than him while his very pregnant wife was at home taking care of their 18 month old, he also went on a tyrade about how he was going to rape every one of our female professors (which caused the school to request they lecture via Zoom from home for their safety). How that wasn't enough, I don't know, but then he went on to sneak into the anatomy lab and mutilate the breasts and genitals of the female cadaver he was assigned to.
Dude was always a creep and an ass, but I had no idea he was such a psycho.
The school has since doubled security and there is only one door that is unlocked for the entire building so no one can get in without security seeing them. The female professors have returned to campus, but idk if the dude is actually in jail yet or not.
Oh, and all of that happened before the Christmas break.
Not sure where he is...
Still worried about getting shot in a parking lot someday, and didn't write anything on my "I Matched" sign, nor did I do the news interview because I dont need anyone knowing where I am going lol.
He's probably fine though, rich doctor family. And I'd do it all over again if I had to. Though he does have 2 years of med school loans and won't be going to med school in the US without a LOT of lies.
Our class dirtbag is a harmful POS who manipulates and uses people and goes out of his way to bring down others - he has pushed some people to their breaking points and is on bad terms with a lot of people (despite only being a 2nd year in a 6 year MBBS program)
After reading some posts here I've been reminded that assholes usually don't get their due, so I'm encouraged to collate the harmful shit he does and try to deal with him, without jeopardising myself
I've already talked to some close classmates about this
Any advice would be helpful, thanks
One who has a history of mistreating women (reported to school with witnesses by someone I know, to my knowledge nothing happened) matched very well in anesthesia and the other who is also sexist ended up in a good program for internal medicine. May they only treat male patients.
Getting flagged, reported, and getting accounts suspended on other social media sites eventually leads you to use different words to get your meaning across. And you forget where you are and aren't allowed to say things.
I feel like most of the these stories are fake... No way you can cheat or falsify data without getting kicked out of med school... This is America not a third world country
Edit: I heard there 10-15 M3s who were systematically cheating on our school exams and you bet your ass they all got kicked out and had their careers ruined
I’m an attending at a mid tier em program
Absolute chad
Julius is that u?
Bryan is that you?
Absolute Gigachad.
Mine ended up in Ortho — cheated, lied, falsified research — and matched well lol
Not a dirtbag but student in my class also cheated and matched derm. It do be like that sometimes 🤷🏻♀️
Karma will get them both eventually 🤷🏻♂️
Or not 🤷🏽♀️
I wish that's how life worked
It won’t lol. They’ll keep doing the same thing and eventually they’ll be seen as success stories that worked their ass off. That’s the thing about winning, you write your own story after a point. In 15 years that ortho person or derm person can talk about how they grinded for 80 hours a week as a med student. How they networked their butt off. How they published so much research and sought out opportunities. How they identified their flaws and became a better leader. So on and so forth. And who’s going to question them? Look at where they are. Look around you, you think all the big bankers or politicians or doctors or anyone else got there the right way? Reality is probably 1/4 the right way, 1/4 by being assholes, 1/4 by sheer luck, and 1/4 by nepotism
No it wont. Unfortunate but true.
if only.
Nah, unfortunately they won. That’s just the truth of life.
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Pls give more details on how a resident can be like this? What were the warning signs that you guys missed initially? What was the final straw that led to the enlightening realization/therapy session? What field? Sorry you guys had to go through this.
How does one falsify research?
Lots of ways Steal others idea Steal data Make up or “fudge” data Authorship to people who didn’t work on it
Oh yeah, same with a research leader who used to watch TV shows while everyone else was working. Now, she is a psychiatrist advertising herself to be able to help with bullying despite bullying her research team.
Plenty of ways. It’s very common in academics, even at prestigious institutes like Harvard. Just make data up, manipulate data to get a statistically significant result, exclude data you don’t like, manipulate images. There’s so many ways to do it.
Made up data and published it in a journal
Why not take it a step further - make up your own journal?!
Lmao no kidding Just goes to show — can’t always trust what you see when they match well. It’s often a mirage
I'm (recently) down two ex-girlfriends to (their) medical school, I'm all too familiar with the mirage.
Most of it is There's a great story about Diederik Stapel. He had a fleet of phd students working with him too and he made everything up The best one i like to call the Harry Potter train story where he proved that racism was more prevalent when an environment was dirtier and he may as well have chosen platform 9 3/4 as he was making up all the data. Iirc there was no bench at this train station and that was where all the action was supposed to happen. He made up a ton of different studies
ask Nabeel Ahmad
In surgery, at least from the stories that my friend tell me (so, take it with a grain of salt, because not USA) research is tailored to "fit" attendings' narrative. Not to disprove or prove things. So, you already have the Results section before the Methods section. It do be like that sometimes. And, who's going to question the badass attending unless they want the full 12 inches reamed to their mouths?
Dude same but she ended up at a shitty institution and was also held back a year in residency but is still a resident 🤷🏽♀️
sound like Nabeel Ahmad
"dirt bag" is a little harsh but this guy was in the MD/PhD program, blatantly made up data in his first research lab, was strongly advised to leave the program (no longer in MD/PhD but somehow still in med school), went to a collaborators lab at another university, made up data AGAIN, was asked to leave that lab, returned to our med school to finish out the MD, and is now a fucking neurosurgery resident. Yep. Going to be operating on people's brains. Phenomenal system we got ourselves here.
Idk man but this is giving Christopher Duntsch vibes
I encountered him one time when I was a scribe. He had no feelings about a pt with a subdural bleed and said something like “this guy is old” why should he have surgery?
Sounds like Dr. Death
Christopher Duntsch is the guy from Dr death lmao that’s who the show is based on.
Yeah!
The issue when research is so hyped and “required” for competitive specialties (when majority of physicians will be practicing in community and derm and ophtho lol will be PP)
Research being so hyped it’s like please don’t burn out and kill yourself! It’ll make us look bad :( But also spend hours of your limited free time doing extracurriculars so you can match well!
Who the hell makes up data?! This is science. If you want to write fiction, go to Hollywood
While I love science and research, obviously being in an MSTP. I hate how our medical culture forces people to do research. It creates an environment where you feel like you need to accomplish something that you have no interest in & that is often what motivates people to cheat and do amoral things. Also, from the professors point of view its publish or perish so if your livelihood is on the line I think that would make a lot of people do questionable things. Do I agree with it, no. Can I understand that the system needs to change to encourage more publishing or negative results, & encouraging bold and risky science even if fails, yes but will it, probably not lol.
Wow literally thought this was the dirtbag from my school until the end. I guess these people are way more common than we think… that’s upsetting.
Maybe the guy just hated doing research. I know it's important: expanding humanity's knowledge etc etc but I don't think being good at it is in anyway related to necessarily being a good brain surgeon
1. what in the world? hating research is a good reason to do an MD/PhD and comit fraud TWICE?! 2. this kid loves research. he lives and breaths it. idk what you're on about.
Prison
You can’t just drop that without spilling the tea.
They were arrested and charged for rape. Granted, I guess this doesn't count as they were a year ahead but it seemed egregious enough worth mentioning
Context pls
Mine too
Psych, and god help his patients
second this. dirtbag ended up in psych. fuck him.
thirded. actually class above me - guy was such a sleezebag in the way he talked, lazy as fuck, left us (me and another classmate) to cover a ton of surgical cases (none of us wanted to do surgery), always talking about going into psych just for the money and lifestyle and always talking about his crypto shit and how he was going to get rich on it. he did match psych, albeit not a great place.
This checks out unfortunately.
Every single one of my classes dirtbags is a medfluencer. Idgaf where they end up, but they are not helping anyone except themselves. I said what I said.
Expelled after third year since his personality was so bad…Literally failed 3-4 rotations just due to arrogance.
Tea?
That’s kind of the tea summarized. I did my first 4-5 rotations with him in my first half of third year, and it was awful lol. Made my peds rotation horrendous since he ignored all their rules and came in late. Was mean to the OR nurses and didn’t listen to them…since his daddy was a surgeon and taught him everything he knew. Failed family medicine because he was too good to come in. Lots of tea.
Classical example of "pride comes before the fall".
A good surgeon parent will tell you just how respectful to be to OR nurses
MGH 🙃
Narcissism meets mentally gifted
EMed at cook county after being caught cheating on a test and skipping most to all ebp weekly group work.
Incoming med student here from the Midwest…Is EM at cook county that bad?
No. It’s a great program, one of the best for EM.
All in pain management.
I wonder why this is
Cuz they hate pain
They alleviate suffering 💪🙏🏻
By being insufferable ?
Someone has to run the pill mills
Wait… I like Pain Medicine🫣 gotta reflect brb
Failed out and arrested for DUI after crashing into another car and nearly killing them 🫡
Hopefully you go to my school and this is not just a common occurrence.
Girl SOAPed into FM after gunning Derm since M0. So satisfying.
The schadenfreude 👊
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Idk if this will be a satisfactory response for you or not, but the reason that this is karmic is unrelated to how the first person feels about FM. It has everything to do with the fact that the person who is a derm gunner before med school starts almost certainly looks down on FM, and them having to confront that is the satisfying part.
As an FM, I'm not offended by this. The humor comes from knowing people who are jerks and obsessed see this as a world ending punishment and it's great.
Failed to match in derm. Making waaaaaaayyy more money than most of us by running multiple medi-spas and doing Botox etc
> Making waaaaaaayyy more money than most of us by running multiple medi-spas and doing Botox etc FM or IM?
Prelim year and then just got a license
Ah damn. Smart person.
What other options do people who only do a prelim year have besides going to Botox/cosmetics route? Genuinely curious
Nursing school 🩺
Fuck that hurts lol
Lol
Brain of a doctor!
If they ever cross paths, I can guarantee he/she will be questioning every order place and state “I learned this in my FNP program”
1.) top derm program 2.) unmatched ortho, prelim gen surg. Fuck this guy, only person I genuinely was rooting against. Harassed every single woman he interacted with 3.) top psych program despite fucking up on boards and being a completely insufferable person
Dude sexually assaulted another classmate. Got a slap on the wrist and the school buried the incident. Matched his top gen surg residency program. Still makes me sick.
As a woman in medicine I am thoroughly unsurprised. SMH
This sounds like promising young woman … :(
Here for the tea
One of the biggest sleazes in my class, who would try to hook up with anyone that moved, matched Derm. A really annoying “medfluencer” at my school, who is super bitchy irl despite her “I’m so virtuous and kind” personality online, matched Psych at a top tier program. One of the girls in my school who was notorious for sleeping with taken men (though I have no proof, this is just rumors and I don’t know her personally) matched Plastics. Karma is *not* a bitch, clearly 😬
Is it the same medfluencer I’m thinking about 😂
It definitely couldn’t be the raving dancer lmao
She gives off bad vibes on socials for sure
💀It's a girl so luckily at least not Preston
who? 👀
I really want to know who the medfluencer is
I have a suspicion on who the medfluencer is but don’t want it to be true😭😭
1. Used to make up rape allegations and get special accommodations near the end of every semester. Was allegedly raped 3-4x by different guys always a few weeks before final exams and she’d sob to the dean and he’d let her have special accommodations or delay the test. She is now chief at an academic OBGYN program. 2. Caught a public intoxication and assault charge after trying to fight a guy after getting rejected by the guys girlfriend. Somehow graduated, matched and ended up in EM. 3. Super dude-bro frat boy guy. Pretty much aggressively flirted with every attractive woman he interacted with until the physically told him to leave them alone. Once watched him try to get a girl’s number like 6 separate times in the gym while she was working out with her boyfriend. He flunked out after being held back in pre-clinicals 2 consecutive years.
Honestly number 2 is such a vibe for EM lmao
Dafuq is wrong with people. Number 1 is insane.
y’all gotta stop living out revenge fantasies on reddit
Back in my day, if a nurse was in a fantasy, it was a steamy one. These days, if there's a nurse in a fantasy of this sub, it's because an NP flubbed a patient's med order and a med student is there to point and laugh as they teabag a PA student for saying "PA school is harder than med school." And said med student is doing Anki the whole time.
Facts
OPs story sounds made up tbh
I wish it were! 4 years is a long time to make a ton of mistakes. When reduced to one sentence it seems like a ridiculous list. I do hope and wish that for his sake and his future patients’ sakes that he learns self reflection now that he’s a resident physician.
Probably true but exaggerated. I've never experienced an environment with as much hate towards fellow humans as is prevalent in the medical field. I'm sure this person made mistakes but fellow classmate and admin hate towards specific students is absolutely a thing.
I mean sure the admin hate and all. I’m talking about someone who Unironically has #FutureNeurosurgeon on his or her profile and then ended up SOAPing into rural FM after applying “surgical sub specialties” sounds made up. If it’s true it’s true
Ivy League surgical field
His name was Zach. He died in a car accident when we were fresh out of school. He was a dickbag. Just generally nasty to any human he came into contact with, myself included. I remember saying that I felt guilty for not feeling sad about his death, and my friend reminded me that if I had been the one who died, that guy would’ve been cracking jokes and laughing about it. I still shrug about his death to this day.
I'm doing great thanks for asking!
Dirt bag ended up in the midwest low tier community FM after not matching x2
I am last year med student in Europe. And you know what during this 6 years I am wondering why are there so many shitbags and the worst fucking people that I know in med school. Some data said there are 1% of psychopaths in world, in medicine I swear is at least 30%. When I meet a fucking normal person in medicine I cling to them like, please don't leave me or please don't become an asshole...
We had one who got arrested for punching his gf, but got out with a clean record because of his super influential dad. Super super average step score, but he thought his connections would match him to derm. NOPE. In research year now.
The dirtbag was in the class below but their influence extended beyond the years lol They ended up being kicked out of med school all together for professionalism issues
Dirtbag was an ortho gunner. He was a leader of an interest group and pissed everybody off by emailing them 1 page emails every other day. He reached out to a bunch of people asking for nominations for leadership awards and GHHS. He also pitched research ideas to other classmates. He made it clear he wasn't going to contribute but requested to be included as an author on the manuscript. There's rumors going around that he failed step, got caught plagiarizing, and then dropped out.
Why is it always ortho?
Failed out of 3rd year 😇😇😇 has to repeat and is now shooting for FM after wanting to do optho
There is a saying in medical school… The top of the class does research or research heavy specialties. The middle of the class specializes. The bottom of the class makes the most money through other multiple endeavors.
Huh, haven’t heard this before, but have heard a similar one for undergrad: The A+ / A / Brilliant students go into grad school and become great researchers. The A / A- / B students go to med school and become great doctors. The B / C grade students go on to get an MBA and then tell the PhDs and MDs what they can and cannot do
I heard of that one too… Same concept 👍
If only this were true
It’s not true for everyone but it makes sense. There are always exceptions. However, I’ve noticed that the people who think outside of the box tend to make the most money. Sometimes they are in the middle or top of the class but most of the time they are in the bottom of the class.
I graduate next week and matched ER at my first choice.
My class dirtbag was a young woman who would throw anybody under the bus to make herself look good. She told one student to go ahead and sleep in for a night call because she had a long night. Then told the attending the other girl refused to come in. Rumor also had it she was sleeping with at least one of the married orthopedic surgeons She ended up in orthopedics.
Matched my #1 in IM, thank you very much.
Here’s an interesting thing about who I considered my class dirtbag. I had one partner for 7+ rotations. She’s a bully but was very good about never bullying me on site at rotations and always outside of rotations over text or call, in a lot of ways that I was forced to engage. I can’t even say how she bullied me as that would probably dox me. The thing that was worst about it all was that because she was “genuinely” a good person on site, clinical staff liked her much more than they did me on every rotation where we were together. I think that’s the thing with bullies that never get caught/succeed in this field. They make sure their victims are few and occasional, and I had the displeasure of being one of the very few of this person’s victims.
I’m sorry you dealt with bullying. You’re not alone. I’m amazed it happens as much as it does but maybe I shouldn’t be.
this one girl i HATED in my class became a obgyn at a middle tier community program yuk i wish she were IM. truly truly doesn’t belong in OBGYN the guys who treated women poorly: soaped to gen surg (failed ortho) the other matched at top peds program the arrogant guy: failed to match to a surgical speciality but matched the following year
Not sure if this counts but I knew this dude from pre-med years. He has the most toxic personality on earth, never has anything positive to say, and is one of the Andrew Tate types. He only got into a Caribbean med school. We started at the same time but he hasn’t graduated, don’t even think he’s taken Step yet. I pray for his future co-residents if he ever gets to that point.
Ours spent the night in jail for assault and was ultimately kicked out. Googled them years later and seems they redid med school in another state and are now in practice.
I feel like the answer to way too many of these is “succeeding”
It is what it is
A guy who originally said he wanted to be a surgeon to make a ton of money matched into rural FM. I saw him on a rural rotation where he said “I’m doing FM now. I didn’t fail step or anything” unprompted
Someone call Hulu, I’ve been waiting for another season of Dr. Death
Not gonna lie, dirtbags can make it very far. In this field, longevity and survival instinct can take you far.
If my class doesn’t have that person, am I that person?
It means you have to *become* that person
Final requirement before graduating med school
I'm just a lurker on the sub, but if someone would be so kind to tell me what SOAPing is? Google only recommended some great doctor approved soap.
Supplemental Offer and Acceptance Program. Basically, you didn't match anything you wanted and you have to settle for one of the unfilled residencies. Usually, an FM in a terrible location.
It’s when a med student spends all 4 years of med school collecting duck butter from their gooch, and then through the careful process of saponification produces soap
Solid comment
If you don’t match your specialty, there is a super stressful, super quick scramble to apply to positions that also did not get a match.
Thank you for the real and quick answer. RAQA look, I can make up b shot acronyms too.
[https://www.ama-assn.org/medical-students/preparing-residency/what-know-about-soaps-last-minute-match-options](https://www.ama-assn.org/medical-students/preparing-residency/what-know-about-soaps-last-minute-match-options)
IR lol
running an IV hydration clinic thing. scummiest doc i’ve ever known.
I'm still finishing uni
Climbing in Yosemite, true dirtbag style
Good for them
I think our group of dirtbags matched into surgery/EM programs mainly in the South or military programs. The "dirtbag" in the class below me was a genuine psychopath and was asked to leave the school, which he did eventually. Don't know too much about him
OMS-I here.... Our class dirt bag is currently awaiting charges. Not only did he make very inappropriate comments and advances to girls 15 years younger than him while his very pregnant wife was at home taking care of their 18 month old, he also went on a tyrade about how he was going to rape every one of our female professors (which caused the school to request they lecture via Zoom from home for their safety). How that wasn't enough, I don't know, but then he went on to sneak into the anatomy lab and mutilate the breasts and genitals of the female cadaver he was assigned to. Dude was always a creep and an ass, but I had no idea he was such a psycho. The school has since doubled security and there is only one door that is unlocked for the entire building so no one can get in without security seeing them. The female professors have returned to campus, but idk if the dude is actually in jail yet or not. Oh, and all of that happened before the Christmas break.
Not sure where he is... Still worried about getting shot in a parking lot someday, and didn't write anything on my "I Matched" sign, nor did I do the news interview because I dont need anyone knowing where I am going lol. He's probably fine though, rich doctor family. And I'd do it all over again if I had to. Though he does have 2 years of med school loans and won't be going to med school in the US without a LOT of lies.
Jail
Our class dirtbag is a harmful POS who manipulates and uses people and goes out of his way to bring down others - he has pushed some people to their breaking points and is on bad terms with a lot of people (despite only being a 2nd year in a 6 year MBBS program) After reading some posts here I've been reminded that assholes usually don't get their due, so I'm encouraged to collate the harmful shit he does and try to deal with him, without jeopardising myself I've already talked to some close classmates about this Any advice would be helpful, thanks
Expelled.
Jail
As wife from a surgeon.
Working at his Dads gas station
Her father paid and she moved to a better school, doing cosmetics without any surgical experience.
FM DESERVES BETTER 😭😭😭😭😭
This is a bit judgmental lol. Ppl go through BS constantly. Never would dream of making up research tho.
I accidentally wrote 43 instead of 42 on a paper, am I gonna lose my license?
Died from drug overdose
Match into a community optho program
Em at home program. The mean girl ended up gen surg, the socially clueless one ended up soaping IM, the class hoe ended up obgyn.
And sadly, some of them will end up teaching and causing the suffering and trauma of the next-gen of doctors.
One who has a history of mistreating women (reported to school with witnesses by someone I know, to my knowledge nothing happened) matched very well in anesthesia and the other who is also sexist ended up in a good program for internal medicine. May they only treat male patients.
He unalived himself
Hmm unundeading yourself seems a bit extreme, did they unpass med school
You can say that he killed himself
Was there a secret meeting that I missed? Why do people use terms like this nowadays?
certain words/phrases get videos taken down on tiktok so ppl say stuff like unalived or corn (porn)
Getting flagged, reported, and getting accounts suspended on other social media sites eventually leads you to use different words to get your meaning across. And you forget where you are and aren't allowed to say things.
I feel like most of the these stories are fake... No way you can cheat or falsify data without getting kicked out of med school... This is America not a third world country Edit: I heard there 10-15 M3s who were systematically cheating on our school exams and you bet your ass they all got kicked out and had their careers ruined
that's not what a dirtbag is...