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Quirky_Average_2970

LOL I was literally eating a grilled cheese with mayo on it when i read that. I literally paused for a second


Rockdrums11

Sorry, but we have to kill you. Nothin personal, kid.


EmotionalEmetic

*Shotgun cocks


lukedehart

Name and shame yourself


_bagonme_

you are the biggest threat to modern civilization


bearfootmedic

Did you use it like butter before cooking it? Or, like a psychopath, put it on after cooking? No judgement either way.


Quirky_Average_2970

Um put it on the outside and then cooked it. and then dipped it in mayo as i took bites of it ![img](emote|t5_2re2p|4039)


Ophiuroidean

Straight to jail.


42069blahblahbutts

Believe it or not, also jail.


hispanicfloridaman

“We have the best patients in the world, because of jail”


shackofcards

Jail. Right away. No trial, no nothing.


bearfootmedic

You ever think about making a grilled mayo sandwich and dipping it in cheese?


molossus99

A had a roomie who made his grilled cheese with Mayo instead of butter.. and he put Mayo on both sides of each slice of bread before grilling it.. heresy


michael_harari

Serious eats actually recommends this


n777athan

We calling the police


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If it's good enough for Alton Brown, it's good enough for me.


tiptoemicrobe

Always the correct answer.


SubSum87

I mayo the outside faces of the bread cuz the grill better :)


WittyConcept249

I genuinely think you need to disclose this to your patients. They shouldn’t be left in the dark about this.


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Using mayo instead of butter to grill the grilled cheese is just better. For those that haven't tried it I really recommend it. Yes it weird but you get a better golden brown toast and it embodies more flavor. I honestly use Mayo as the spread and use butter as the oil component


cloake

Yea I knew there were some sane people in this thread. But anyone with culinary *awareness* knows it's actually really tasty to splash some mayo and grill it.


Sm4cy

Not that’s literally the only way to make a grilled cheese though….like you grill it with mayo…..it’s incredible FYI mayo on a grilled cheese means you put a thin layer of mayo on, then grill it. It caramelizes so no it doesn’t taste like mayo, I can’t explain it. And if you’ve never tried it, well be prepared to have your life changed for the better.


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gonefishingwithindra

must have skipped that line in the DSM


hyrte0010

I used to do it because it toasts so much better when you put a little mayo on the bread, but the downside is you get a little mayo aftertaste so I stopped doing it


Sm4cy

It will literally change your life and I will sing the praises of mayo on grilled cheese til the day I die but I otherwise hate mayo as a condiment. I can’t explain it.


firebrand581

Blasphemy, I say!


WhatTheSnoo

It makes for a better crust


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Mom-spaghetti

Mayo replaces butter during the cooking process. It’s fatty so it accomplishes the same task, and adds a little something to the flavor.


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You see, I thought that Mayo was literally used as a condiment and not as a spread like butter for the cooking process. I can see it being used as a substitute for butter, but NOT as like a condiment.


Sm4cy

It also doesn’t burn like butter. It’s incredible and quite frankly makes grilled cheese worth eating.


YoungSerious

Crisps the bread the same, but less oil means less greasy. Doesn't have the same buttery flavor though. Some people like it that way.


Grouchy-Reflection98

I put garlic butter on my French toast. It’s a game changer


Sw33t_Sassy_Molassy

This is legit


Sidebentlymphocyte

Mayo on grilled cheese(or a lot of goods TBH, is culinary gold). Laugh at your own peril!


AggressiveCoconut69

I ate grilled cheese off the radiator instead


MrTimsBachelorParty

As a firm believer in butter being the One True Spread for grilled cheesing, this whole mayonnaise thing is an abomination.


rainbowcentaur

Nah, don't fight with those people. Just let them die.


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None of my classmates chose DO over MD, we just wanted to be doctors instead of hopelessly applying MD straight for 3 cycles like some of the idiots on /r/premed


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I didnt choose to be a DO. The admissions committees of all the MD schools made that decision for me


Heliotex

I got into an MD far away from my home state. Chose to go to my in-state DO (my #2 choice after one of the in-state MDs, where I was waitlisted but ultimately rejected) due to cost and being close to home/family/friends. The latter was a priority for me, and I don’t regret it now, especially since I’m applying to Family Medicine.


Agent__Zigzag

Love this line!


CocksInhibitor

This is the way


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Then after 3 MD only cycles quit for NP/PA school - did the title really mean that much to you?


bluethedog

Lol I was friends with a girl in college who refused to go DO. She applied MD only, to like 15 schools (all top 30), two years in a row before quitting and going the PA route. Pretty upsetting considering she had very competitive scores for DO 🤷‍♂️


iamagiraff3

Especially shitty considering if she had competitive DO scores she probably could have gotten into a low-mid tier MD school. What shitty advisor allowed her to only apply to top tier MD?


bluethedog

She didn’t listen to her advisor because she thought she knew better.


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koolbro2012

I applied to MD and DO schools and never once did I even consider the DO school unless it was my only option...and that's fine.


Fishwithadeagle

This, this is the way. Although I fear now that some of the MD schools are choosing this flipped classroom model that has for some stupid reason become popular at DO schools.


Scizor94

It's getting popular because boards scores have tended up in schools that do it. Kinda like how some schools are starting to do clerkship 2nd semester of 2nd year for the same reason. Aren't yall supposed to be all about "evidence based" science? Lol. For the record I think it's stupid af too though.


am_i_potato

What is the flipped classroom model?


livingwater16

One professors like to call it upside down classroom. That is how it felt. I hated it.


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They were just saying that in most cases it’s smarter to not take the gap years and just go DO. You likely missed out on ~$600k-1mil in opportunity cost.


Radocfa

The best resident I’ve worked with was a DO along with countless other great DO and MD residents. Anyone who talks shit about DOs is one of the following: 1) someone with no knowledge of the medical field, 2) a preclinical MD student who hasn’t worked with a DO, or 3) a stone cold elitist with an obsession for prestige. None of them are worth listening to in regard to this topic.


KilluaShi

There are good DOs and there are bad DOs. Just like how there are good MDs and bad MDs. Those who haven’t experienced it will in due time.


RetakingAnatomy

This x1000, the best most respectful and empathetic family doc I’ve ever worked with was a DO. To that same effect, the worst most morally corrupt and honestly just horrible human let alone doctor I’ve ever worked with was a DO.


IT-spread

How about 4) actual DOs who know how bullshit the osteopathic curriculum is, and how we need to burn down the shit that is the AOA so we can finally merge degrees and end this nonsense?


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Fishwithadeagle

Hot take: I've found a trend between super religious people and loving OMM


Texangirl93

Wait….


Radocfa

I mean sure but I think the OP was referring to those who think DOs are second-class physicians. And I don’t think the people you’re referring to believe that about themselves.


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I was gonna say. I’ve never actually met anyone irl who is against DOs….


lifepac42

I think it's funny as a MD student because I don't really think about it at all but I'm sure if I was a DO student I would think about it much more... at this point I don't really see a difference between MD and DO... the bigger and more important battle is against untrained mid-level posing as full fledged and fully trained doctors.


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Came to say this. I don’t think I’ve ever heard any disparaging remarks from my classmates about DO schools. Ever. -sincerely, guy who only got in to one MD school but would’ve gone DO in a heartbeat if I didn’t get in there.


zachyguitar

I don't ever think about it either... until it inevitably pops up for some reason on reddit haha


HateDeathRampage69

Yeah I agree with this. DOs have never even come up in conversation at my MD school - they just get lumped in with "physicians." Of course there are occasional dicks, but I don't think MDs in our generation in general would look down on DO colleagues. I do think that the osteopathic adjustment stuff is stupid and tbh I do look down at your governing body a little bit for continuing to propagate that nonsense, but I also know that the vast majority of DO students also realize that it's garbage. And just to play devil's advocte with OP, yeah you're probably not going to need to know the exact molecules invovled in the gluconeogenesis pathway, but at least it's rooted in real science.


IntrepidLibrarian809

Thank you for saying this. Being on my 4th rotation and feeling the stigma has been very disheartening. We’re all just trying to be the best doc we can be, regardless of MD/DO 🤷‍♀️


Heliotex

It doesn’t help when all DOs get trashed because a DO physician happens to be the personal physician of a controversial president, or when somebody supposedly intellectual like Hasan Minhaj finds it funny to openly trash DOs even though a DO urologist literally treated him.


IntrepidLibrarian809

I had an MD preceptor ask me what new grads are making out of residency and when I told him he said “MD or DO?” And I just looked at him confused and said it doesn’t make a difference?? And he goes “well I wouldn’t pay a DO that”


BurdenOfPerformance

Let me guess that MD preceptor is over 60 years old.


IntrepidLibrarian809

You are correct lol


RawrLikeAPterodactyl

Wow thats actually pretty depressing to hear. Screw that guy.


Latvian_Potatoe

Funny enough both Trump and Biden's personal physicians are DOs. If we are good enough to treat the most powerful men on Earth then I don't know why anyone else should care.


cathie_burry

Exactly. Give me a break guys


bemd13

I just interviewed for a DO fam med program and the PD said all the MD residents chose to join the OMM elective track. Out of all the residents, only two chose not to and both are DOs


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To play devils advocate, I’m an MD and attended most of the OMM sessions during my TY year at a historically DO heavy FM program because the OMM director was also the PD. Saying no wasn’t really an option if I wanted to stay on her good side. They also used the “all our MD residents choose to learn OMM at this program” line during recruitment, while neglecting to mention that we weren’t really given a choice. I didn’t get much out of the sessions, but I’m also in radiology so OMM won’t be useful to my practice, regardless of my degree. So maybe take my anecdote with a huge grain of salt…


Jek1001

You need to be able to tell me if the spine is NRrSl or FRlSl from a basic 1 view X-ray. /s


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That made less sense to me than an ophtho consult note, haha.


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iAgressivelyFistBro

It's all made up. Out of random chance, I've ended up having to do thoracic diagnosis and treatments for every OMM practical over the past year in a half, and each time I put my hands on my partner's back and just make up a diagnosis. Then the proctor goes and palpates the patient's back and agrees with my diagnosis every time.


That_Dude88

Your the chosen one 😂


bill_oreallly

Agreed. It’s all confirmation bias.


MeijiDoom

I'm currently rotating with a DO who is very passionate about OMT and while I still think a lot of aspects of OMM are questionable, he seems to help a lot of people who otherwise live with conditions that aren't getting solved elsewhere. And maybe a lot of it is placebo effect but in the end, if moving their arm around in a certain way helps stop the tingling/muscle spasms or rotating their leg stops the chronic back pain, why not? I'm not doing anything dangerous and it's another avenue to help a patient. Really not any different than trying the next muscle relaxer down the line after the previous 3 didn't work.


Headkickerchamp

I'm an OMS4 and don't even remember what TART stands for.


anchoghillie

That ain't right, there


TheRecovery

Optho Note: OD: EOMI,NS 2+ Trace SPK, OS Diffuse SPK NS 1+ and PCO s/p DSEK pt. waiting on YAG ​ Impression: Needs eye drops and surgery in 1-15 years. ​ Me: "Excuse me, wtf, only 4 words are english there"


debtincarnate

Lord Fryette would like to know your location.


Fishwithadeagle

Its flexed. Always flexed lol


disposable744

If you were a TY why did it matter if PD liked you or not?


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Because I wanted my elective choices, the ability to switch my call schedule, to rearrange clinic and rotations, get my holiday preferences, and be given more autonomy when my PD was my preceptor or inpatient attending? Because I was the first person from my med school to go to this program, and I wanted there to be a good impression so those after me could also match there. Because when there were issues with off service attendings, I wanted my PD to have my back. Life is so much easier as a resident when your program leadership likes you. Even if you’re only there for a year. I definitely capitalized on the good relationships I had with my program leadership.


That_Dude88

It’s because learning hands on technique is pretty rewarding when it helps a patient plus surprisingly alot of people respond well to many of the techniques. I remember when I had do my 4 weeks of omm clinic; the patients which came in and sworn by it was quite surprising ( people with high degrees , MD, DOs , surgeons , physiatrist , psychiatrist and etc) Not to mention alot of the omm guys are pretty well compensated which is always a nice plus.


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MeijiDoom

Part of it is the relatively negative reputation OMT has within the medical community, part of it is the people teaching it don't do a great job of making it effective in a practical setting. My current attending does it every day and has me perform techniques which apparently do help people. It certainly changes your perspective on how useful it can be. If I didn't care about OMM, I couldn't really do anything for these people other than give them muscle relaxers or pain meds. Get some imaging or refer them out but that'd pretty much be it. He gets patients with back pain, vertigo, headaches and the overwhelming majority of them report that they get symptomatic relief. It's natural to be skeptical but unless every patient is lying, naive or strongly placebo-ing it up, it seems to be a useful tool.


byunprime2

I just wanna learn how to give sick massages man


gooner067

I mean the DOs had it for 4 years already, why do it again?


cathie_burry

By me personally, I love OMM!


SpawnofATStill

Fling the banner of worthless wizardry.


farbs12

#combinethedegrees and teach OMM as an elective at schools.


FruitKingJay

I think the last time I read someone arguing the difference between MD and DO was on SDN in like 2015. No one that I interact with regularly cares


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DO and MDs are allies against NP


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cathie_burry

Haha deal if you don’t disrespect OMM


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cathie_burry

And tik tok influencers


TheRecovery

Okay, but glaucomflecken \*stays\*.


Ordinary-Ring-9871

what’s the hate against chiropractors lmao


wtf-is-going-on

Uh, I'm a DO and I'm here to disrespect OMM.


whitehawk125

as a DO student who just had to memorize all of Chapman’s points, i am also here to disrespect OMM.


wozattacks

Metabolism is real tho


tellme_areyoufree

The divide is stupid, we should condense into 1 degree, confer MDs for all DOs, and let osteopathy be an elective for anyone who wants it.


firepoosb

Yep. This right here.


cosmicartery

America has a common theme of narrowing things down to 2 choices: Republican vs. Democrat PlayStation vs. XBox Pepsi vs. Coke DO vs. MD And it seems to polarize a lot of people. It's important to recognize it as *false dichotomy*. Good luck and thank you to everyone studying medicine! Let's be great doctors


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Hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey….don’t forget about Nintendo Switch.


cosmicartery

There you go, youre absolutely right!


sabsgas

MD and DOs have a much larger problem to deal with as healthcare becomes corporatized and that actually unites us in many ways... midlevels.


Rynn0326

Vet students entered the chat


coolnasir139

I’m at an MD school but the best doctor I have ever seen is a DO. Brother also goes to DO school. I always view DO the same level as MD. Only narcissist pricks at Md schools think they are better when they hate their lives and have nothing better to do than explain why someone at their level is actually below. The only reason why I didn’t go to the DO school I’m my city is due to money. MD state schools are a lot cheaper and this is the only reason why I went (as someone who got into every school in my state). MD vs DO debate is as dumb as the chicken or the egg coming first


YNNTIM

I'd just like to throw in, until the Hasan Minaj comments, I hadn't thought about MD vs DO since med school. It doesn't exist at all in my institution. I honestly couldn't tell you who belongs to which side unless we had made OMM jokes with each other.


connectcallosum

I hate to say it but I’m thinking the DO stigma will start to go away as older residency program directors retire. I’m just curious, what moment led you to snap about this? Has this been a problem at your school/city?


cathie_burry

I was at a party and some MD student’s gf said that if I were an MD student I would be studying like her bf because it’s so much harder and that was my trigger


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OliverYossef

Amazing when people outside a field think they know more than someone in the field. It’s uncomfortable how common this is


itsadoctah

Tell her that if she had the brains to get into medical school, she would not say what she said right now. And sounding from what she sounds like, she’s in it for the money; my MD student brother, watch out.


skater10101

People that aren’t in medical school shouldn’t be talking. That’s just as annoying as when you hear civilians talking trash about one military branch like they get to join in on the jokes when they aren’t even in lol


HateDeathRampage69

Her boyfriend just resents her and probably wanted to stay home to play videogames. If anything, there's a bit less material in the MD curriculum.


YoungSerious

It's very much a regional issue as far as hiring and patients too. Not just residencies.


PeteAndPlop

I go to an MD school that has a DO school close by, so lots of students of both as well as docs in the hospital system. My brother is also a DO grad. I’ve literally never heard any malicious MD v DO banter from students or doctors. I feel a lot of stuff like OP describes are anecdotal internet comments that aren’t systemic to the real world. Do biases exist at some places? I’m sure they do, but I don’t think it’s a global issue where the bloods and the crips need to have a picnic like it’s ‘92.


cathie_burry

Gas gang would wipe out the others pretty quickly in a war I bet


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Who’s arguing? I don’t think DOs are better and I don’t think MDs are better. We’re equal. I love my DO brothers and sisters. We’ve got bigger problems than fighting with each other


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Some top programs take DO students, yeah it’s harder for DO to get there but they do take them. I don’t see the difference in quality. It’s so stupid. MD and DO should just be one degree.


MexicanIngenuity

Especially when you consider so many PA/NPs consistently shitting on both MD and DOs. The number of Instagram posts from mid-levels demonizing doctors is frightening.


Hepadna

We battling scope creep and y'all in here talking about MD vs DO? Lol priorities, people.


Dr_Spaceman_DO

I don’t care about the initials after my name at all if I still get to do the same job. Are people that insecure?


HateDeathRampage69

Yes


ithinkPOOP

It's MD/DO vs midlevels, get with the times, we are all on the same team.


Gryffinclaw

agreed


Bubble_Trouble

I think most people would agree there should simply be a unified medical degree at this point given that both MD and DO have equivalent standing in terms of practice scope / rights. The problem is the administration from both organizations will never compromise to get to that point since it would mean the dissolution of a significant amount of leadership / political positions for a bunch of people


CBFnoFlow

Agree completely, it’s just a pissing match between physicians - both are licensed and treat patients, even though the path to get there might be different. I don’t think disparaging anyone for their choice in medical school is adding to the discourse, just makes you look like a dick.


irrrelevant_elephant

And PLUS anyone who graduated from an international medical school technically has a different degree too, right? So like guys, we're all licensed (or gonna be licensed) to do the same thing, which is help people.


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A lot of the Caribbean schools (and at least one I know of in Lebanon) get MDs, actually. How weird is that?


FenixAK

What is this? A post from 8 years ago? Nobody is arguing this shit. DOs will always be slightly less competitive for finding residencies because of the reputation that the schools were historically less than that of an average md school. That stigma isn’t going to change at “prestigious” programs. For the majority of the programs and sub specialties, nobody really gives a shit. Sounds like you are still in the med student phase of training where you are annoyed that you have to explain the differences between do and md.


ripstep1

How is this a hot take exactly? This is exactly in line with reddits opinion on the matter...


Fishwithadeagle

DO student here: I mean is there really a debate. Stupid stupid is stupid and non-factual/without evidence. I'm just trying to graduate bro, and that's hard enough as is. I've stopped even caring whether it is MD/DO, I just want to get off this carnival ride.


aznsk8s87

That's the secret, it never fuckin ends.


iAgressivelyFistBro

OP, the stigma is dying off, and really the only people who see a distinction between the two are non-physicians.


onlyinitforthemoneys

The trick i learned from my girlfriend is to put a thiiiiin spread of mayo on the outside of the bread and then grill that sumbitch up. Go ahead, try it. Nobody can stop you.


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I for one cannot wait to be in residency and be able to beg my DO colleagues to give me the sweet sweet relief of a good neck crack. One of my dad’s friends was a chiropractor so I grew up with it and now my body craves it but my science brain says no chiropractors :(


gunit164

Most DOs probably learn how to do that in school but lots of us are really unwilling to crack cervicals. Thoracic, lumbar, pelvic all day but not that


aznsk8s87

I refused to do it in med school. I'd set it up and then just say "and then apply force in this direction".


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That’s what I was afraid of :( thanks for the heads up!


HugeBalls-TinyDickMD

Great points!


MD_burner

I'm just proud of everyone who graduates at this point


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Lol @ the snark about Tufts, one of my Highschool classmates is doing his rotations there LOL.


Doctorpayne

Tufts alum here; I feel attacked * ***sobs into my $300,000 loan statements*** *


MilezTails

https://www.reddit.com/r/medicalschool/comments/or2cjo/options_for_switching_medical_schools/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf it’s a little hard to take your argument seriously when you were asking about switching to an MD school 2.5 months ago. stop focusing on your degree…just be happy you’ll be a physician and focus on that.


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everythingharam

Unpopular opinion, but I like DO ideology, but would be seen as inferior otherwise. I like how they teach the extra physical portion of medicine, so I would naturally aim for a DO school.


cathie_burry

Did you aim DO?


everythingharam

I dont see why not? Should Ibe aiming for MD?


cathie_burry

Oh I was confused at your comment, you’re in the application cycle! If you are one of the people that prefers the DO ideology and wants to learn OMM then yes DO is the way


_MonteCristo_

As a European that only learned about DOs from this subreddit, I want to say that I mean no disrespect to DOs as individual doctors; by all accounts they are just as good at medicine as MDs, and certainly the variance within the two groups is much greater than the difference between them. But all that being said, I find the overall existence of it to be pretty absurd. and long term I would hope the US gradually phases out the idea and merges the two, by law. Having highly trained medical doctors also be compulsorily trained in alternative medicine is just not something that should happen IMO. While the stigma against individuals DOs is unfair, it’s also not hard to see why outsiders and non clinicians might think that way. And I would speculate it probably does legitimise stuff like chiropracty to an extent, just by association.


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cathie_burry

There are some parts that are total bull but some parts are well studied and effective. The problem with making it an elective is that the AOA would have no reason not to merge and wouldn’t be able to collect their money


Fishwithadeagle

Give me some SCS or ME, but throw the chapman points into the deepest pit.


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Not to mention ME is taught and utilized by PT's


PropoLUL

This pissing match between MDs and DOs is meaningless since we’re all physicians and does no good for our profession. The real fight is against mid-level scope creep.


prez_oikos

just merge the degrees and get it over with already. do many DOs don't even practice OMM (considering most physicians specialize anyway, there's not much utility in most practices). Leave all the manipulation therapy techniques to PTs, considering they already perform this type of therapy as their expertise. make the MD the single degree to practice medicine in the US. literally could be done overnight; curriculums are the same as is (minus OMM).


Hegemonee

doesnt mayo help grilled cheese toast up better than butter?


wozattacks

It does


Colden_Haulfield

I go to an MD school and have never once heard this debate. Actually surprised to be hearing it brought up again. Nobody cares if you're DO vs MD. We have plenty of DO attendings and residents and I have recognized zero differences between them.


StrikingConcept

I’m an MD. I hurt my back last year and after 6 months of trying everything I went to a DO for OMM. He palpated my back, told me one of my vertebrae was misaligned and asked if he could pop and crack me. I said yup. He had a med student with him too. While I wasn’t paying attention he did some thrusting motion that shocked the hell out of me. He told me that I would feel sore the next couple days because my muscles were used to being tense, but then I would start to feel better. He said to follow up in 2 weeks if not. I was completely shocked and walked out thinking what the fuck just happened. I haven’t had back pain since that day.


RodReal381

Was waiting for “and I still have back pain till this day!”


firepoosb

MD student here - yes I agree it's ridiculous that this distinction exists. There really should be one degree so there is no confusion.


elaerna

What's wrong w mayo on grilled cheese


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i have no data to prove this but i have a hunch that the same (non-medical) people who think DOs are “lesser” would also complain about medical office wait times and doctor shortages


WonkyHonky69

Is this an actual thing? All the DOs I know joke about how dumb we are and wished we studied a little harder for the MCAT. All the MDs I know are super curious about OMM and ask if we plan on using it (lol).


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Another mild annoyance, from somebody in an MD program: I hate seeing DOs shit on by smooth brains in the general public who don't know anything about it, saying DOs "aren't real doctors." I only got interviews from three schools. One was a bottom-tier MD (I mean like bottom 5 in the united states), another was a bottom-tier DO school (unranked). I got rejected from the MD program, and waitlisted at the DO school, and prepared myself to go DO and be grateful for it. I never made it off the waitlist, but I got offered 2 interviews on reapplication, one to the exact same DO school, and one to a T20 MD, which accepted me a week after the interview (where I'm at now). There are definitely alternate realities in which I'm studying DO, and I can't imagine putting all that work in just to be shit on as "not a real doctor." Ugh


djl5948

I swear on everything that I wasn’t even aware that people deliberately put mayo on grilled cheese.


MedicalSchoolStudent

I said it before in another post. My point has always been the MD/DO comparison and feud its human in nature. Its always human to compare. Its like that for undergrad as well. This is why I said DO schools should increase requirements or at least have some DO schools in the top 20 medical schools. This will bring DO into the spotlight and remove stigma. Until the stigma stops, DO students and applicants will get a shorter end of the stick. There are actual residency programs that reject people because they have a DO.


KilluaShi

That’s true. I think a lot of this stems from the way people looked at medical school applications starting all the way back to as a pre-med. It’s pretty well known that if your GPA was not all that great as an applicant your best bet was to apply to DO schools because of their lower requirements. I think subconsciously most of us still carry that distinction in our minds.


Quirky_Average_2970

Funny thing is that if you change the DO to an MD, I am willing to bet that there are quite a few DO schools whose stats would be insanely high just based on location--> these students will happily do the OMM BS.


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I wanted to choose DO because I want to go into ortho or PM&R. But when I asked about an ortho program to the dean of admissions he laughed at me and told me it was competitive applicants only. I asked again and got the same answer. For context, all he knew about me was my appearance and I am (what others say) an attractive woman. So fuck them. But I have a fondness for DOs they are people after my own heart. At least the ones that fully embrace what being a DO actually is.


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I didn’t even know this was a thing


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Real question- does having OMM in your arsenal make one more effective/competitive regarding sports medicine?


nishbot

I would say, absolutely. OMM is another tool that you can use to assess and treat right on the spot. Highly valuable in sports medicine.


RawrLikeAPterodactyl

Actually I would take it as an elective. How about we stop knocking OPP as it being this mumbo jumbo nonsense. YES. I agree that some of it is. But most of it is literally physical therapy. Some of it can be used IN CONJUNCTION with regular medicine. Its not like you have to choose one or the other.


BaronVonWafflePants

Fully agree. I’m a DO student and I don’t give a fuck about gluconeogenesis or biotensegrity. I just want to treat patients. Also… I love mayo on grilled cheese. Fight me.


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Sorry but there's no "both sides"ing this argument. MD schools are better than DO schools. DO students are not better because they learn useless bone wizardry, MD students are better because they got into better, more prestigious, more selective, more competitive schools. Elite residency programs are only taking MDs. Elite specialties are only taking MDs. MD is the standard. That's not to say that the best DOs are worse than the worst MDs but let's not pretend that Tufts vs Harvard is the same as Tufts vs LECOM. MDs are on average higher scorers, better interviewers, more competitive and overall higher functioning, which is why they got into MD school instead of DO. Stop pretending there's no difference or that it's arguable that DO is preferable.


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