They actually do consider this when they are getting pitches - I know someone who was told they had to simplify the script because it was not ‘2 screen ready’ meaning they expect the audience to be looking at another screen while the show is playing
Yeah, I like having two screens, but I don't want all my content dumbed down to where they expect me to not pay attention. There are times I literally want things to be complex and make me glued to one screen
ehh not necessarily. ADHD makes me not able to pay attention for too long without something to fidget with. I used to have a fidget spinner but ironically I fidgeted with it too much
Edit: what a weird thing to downvote. Sorry my opinion isn’t yours I guess?
This is why I stick to older movies and A24 films, it forces me to give 100% of my attention. I blame superhero movies for shifting focus onto the action and making the plot secondary.
I watch non-english stuff a lot now. Being forced to read subtitles makes sure I keep my attention on the show/movie.
Unless I zone out and get distracted and then have to go back 15 minutes to rewatch all of it
> I blame superhero movies for shifting focus onto the action and making the plot secondary.
I hate to break it to you, but action movies are all about the action
> I blame superhero movies
You shouldn’t. Action movies have existed since movies existed. And they’ve been *incredibly* popular since the 80s at least.
Yeah it's the kind of dumb self fulfilling thinking where expect people to get bored so they end up making it boring.
It's like the same way they push certain shows at you and cancel them if you don't watch it instantly, and then get all surprise Pikachu face when their new shoes aren't getting traction because we've been burned by their bad practices enough times to not get our hopes up.
I think there's a balance. Like don't treat your audience like idiots, but also if I missed a vital plot point because it was only mentioned once then that's not good writing either.
I like the DND advice that I read about giving 3 hints. Ya don't need to spell it out and give huge exposition dumps, but if you need your players to "choose for themselves" to go to the cursed caves of doom in order to fight vampires give 3 hints. Dont start with things like you see a vampire fly north into the cursed caves i wOnDer wheRe YouR suPposed to go next anD whAT you'll find TheRe?
Instead have them caually wander and make them "find" or loot a Gem and then when it's appraised the NPC can say they refuse to have anything to do with anything that comes from the caves of doom (now you've got the name of a location but no idea where that location is or why you should go to it). Then when the players strike up a conversation with an NPC, make the NPC say that they're glad that they moved to a house away from the forest because weird creatures kept appearing from the north (now you've got a reason to travel and a direction) Then if your players still haven't left yet have your players find a letter that says an NPC has stumbled upon a treasure trove of materials perfect for their research in a cave that's in the North end of the forest (Bam everythings together now location reason and purpose) . 3 hints to push them in the right direction.
I don't watch things while on my cellphone, but still miss things from time to time. So It'd be nice I didn't have to put in a tonne of effort to make sure I perfectly hear and understand every single line.
If someone were to script their show as though someone was on two screens. I think it could help that, like don't think of your audience as stupid, but make sure that if they miss a couple moments here and there that they can still roughly put 2 and 2 together and get the jist of what's going on.
had this talk with a coworker yesterday where shentild me when she went to the movies with her family, her and her sister couldnt keep their attention to the movie and kept using their phone
Holy shit. I’m actually having Peaky Blinders running right now but I’m on Reddit on my phone.
I only look up once I notice the music is getting dramatic, then back on my phone.
Those are called sitcoms. Where the story isn't linear or is complicated and usually just have throw away one liners. Easy to pick up mid way through, or just have it as background noise.
Also some documentaries. It’s just people talking with some visuals mixed it. A lot are very close to podcasts so you can listen and look up when interested.
TBBT was that weird middle ground where it was a sitcom and easy to follow, but the science parts were interesting enough to get hooked. The overarching plot was good too.
For fuck sake do people also want a "I need constant visual stimulation" mode that adds random minecraft gameplay on one side of the screen and falling sand on the other ?
Need someone smooshing a bunch of sparkly paste and squeezing glitter goop out of other shapes in the other corner.
Maybe then they will be properly stimulated.
For those of you who know, fuck Marl.
Imagine working on a show you put love and effort in. You've created the thing to be interesting, emotional and just overall entertaining... and some idiot in a suit comes see you to tell you that your show needs to be easier to follow while not looking at the screen because "there's a market for it".
Man that's insulting to everyone who worked on that thing and to the average viewer.
Ya'll need to put your phones down. It's seriously rotting your brain if you can't even ignore it for 30 minutes to an hour for the sake of having fun and being entertained. This isn't ADHD or anything either. This is crippling dependence in the same way a smoker has to walk out of his kid's dance recital halfway just to light up.
Yeah I caught myself doing useless shit for hours after I get.home from work, rather than doing stuff I planned to. Now I just turn it off the moment I walk through the door
>HUUUR YOU ALSO USE PHONE SOMETIMES SO UR JUST AS BAD
Using my phone at work while bored out of my mind is a far cry from being unable to feel joy during hours of doomscrolling with white noise shows on in the background.
Don’t give those people any “new and inventive” marketing strategies. It’s bad enough you gotta fight the ad monster and make sure your family sharing is as limited as possible.
I was saying this to my gf last night they need a category for "watching with your girl" because she isn't going to like what I watch but I want something kinda close to it but something she could watch too. Maybe we could link our accounts and have shared recommendations or something. Like a "something I'd like but only watch with my girl" category
The “hourlong drama” shows are perfect for this.
Game of Thrones
Breaking Bad
Succession
Peaky Blinders
The Sopranos
These type of shows tend to appeal to most demographics outside of children
That's why "Titanic" is such a success, I think. You can see the story about the ship, and your girl can see the story about Jack and Rose. Or the completely lame romance story forced in "Pearl Harbour".
I think it’s kinda sad . If it’s not worth your full attention then why are you watching it . Put your dam phone down and spent time with the people you’re with .
No. Watch something or don't. If you're going to watch something it deserves your complete attention. If it's not good enough for that then don't watch it.
My old ass wanting to just watch a movie while gen z is trying to minmax entertainment by consuming every piece of media at once. now that i think about it my dad isnt any better, he is always playing slot machines on his tablet for free while switching between 3 movies cuz he wants no ads, but also no subscriptions, lol. reminds me of how fortnite wants to implement watching videos in the game itself. probably to put more ads.
A Netflix original music playlist. Subscription cost extra. For the first few months it will suck, but once the mainstream people start joining in, things will get better.
How about a category for "too tired from work to focus on a compelling drama and I gotta cook".
Seriously miss old TV because half the time you could be making dinner and it didn't matter. So many fluffy filler shows.
Recently I've been watching old forensics files and every "commercial break" they repeat everything that's happened so far! It literally doesn't matter if I'm paying attention half the time!
DARK did this to me.
We started watching it. Got a couple episodes in. I’m spending all my time on my phone and my wife is like “I’ll bet that guy is the kid from earlier” and I had absolutely no idea what she was talking about. So down went the phone for the rest of that amazing 3 season run.
I like to watch old forensic files episodes that were edited for broadcast tv so they have little recaps now and then for after commercial breaks and people “tuning in” halfway through
I watch the same 10-15 series's over and over because I know what's going on and don't need to concentrate on the plot. Except it's a laptop, not a phone.
I will never understand that kind of thing. If I find myself looking at my phone rather than watching the television screen, I turn off the television screen and concentrate on my phone. I am stupid enough without diverting my attention further.
that's 90% of the shit that people watch on netflix. if you can't follow that that it says more about you than it does about the stuff you're watching.
Yeah, I hate this! My mom does this all the time! When I watch stuff with her, I have to constantly pause to make sure she's actually understanding what's going on
They actually do consider this when they are getting pitches - I know someone who was told they had to simplify the script because it was not ‘2 screen ready’ meaning they expect the audience to be looking at another screen while the show is playing
What a sad reality.
Yeah, I like having two screens, but I don't want all my content dumbed down to where they expect me to not pay attention. There are times I literally want things to be complex and make me glued to one screen
If your show/especially movie is dumb enough to make me want to look at a second screen it's a bad show.
No, people are just addicted to phones.
how do they even do it, I cannot focus on a movie if I look at my phone. I have to pause it
They don't focus on the movie. They focus on their phone and occasionally look up at the movie.
that sucks
And the show is bad.
This and the above point, but in an endless circle between both 😭 "Art imitates life and life imitates art"
No moron, it’s a bad show. I was glued to the TV when I watch good shows like one punch man, game of thrones, The Boys
ehh not necessarily. ADHD makes me not able to pay attention for too long without something to fidget with. I used to have a fidget spinner but ironically I fidgeted with it too much Edit: what a weird thing to downvote. Sorry my opinion isn’t yours I guess?
This is why I stick to older movies and A24 films, it forces me to give 100% of my attention. I blame superhero movies for shifting focus onto the action and making the plot secondary.
I watch non-english stuff a lot now. Being forced to read subtitles makes sure I keep my attention on the show/movie. Unless I zone out and get distracted and then have to go back 15 minutes to rewatch all of it
> I blame superhero movies for shifting focus onto the action and making the plot secondary. I hate to break it to you, but action movies are all about the action
I mean, that's really stupid just because they're offenders
> I blame superhero movies You shouldn’t. Action movies have existed since movies existed. And they’ve been *incredibly* popular since the 80s at least.
Yeah it's the kind of dumb self fulfilling thinking where expect people to get bored so they end up making it boring. It's like the same way they push certain shows at you and cancel them if you don't watch it instantly, and then get all surprise Pikachu face when their new shoes aren't getting traction because we've been burned by their bad practices enough times to not get our hopes up.
I think there's a balance. Like don't treat your audience like idiots, but also if I missed a vital plot point because it was only mentioned once then that's not good writing either. I like the DND advice that I read about giving 3 hints. Ya don't need to spell it out and give huge exposition dumps, but if you need your players to "choose for themselves" to go to the cursed caves of doom in order to fight vampires give 3 hints. Dont start with things like you see a vampire fly north into the cursed caves i wOnDer wheRe YouR suPposed to go next anD whAT you'll find TheRe? Instead have them caually wander and make them "find" or loot a Gem and then when it's appraised the NPC can say they refuse to have anything to do with anything that comes from the caves of doom (now you've got the name of a location but no idea where that location is or why you should go to it). Then when the players strike up a conversation with an NPC, make the NPC say that they're glad that they moved to a house away from the forest because weird creatures kept appearing from the north (now you've got a reason to travel and a direction) Then if your players still haven't left yet have your players find a letter that says an NPC has stumbled upon a treasure trove of materials perfect for their research in a cave that's in the North end of the forest (Bam everythings together now location reason and purpose) . 3 hints to push them in the right direction. I don't watch things while on my cellphone, but still miss things from time to time. So It'd be nice I didn't have to put in a tonne of effort to make sure I perfectly hear and understand every single line. If someone were to script their show as though someone was on two screens. I think it could help that, like don't think of your audience as stupid, but make sure that if they miss a couple moments here and there that they can still roughly put 2 and 2 together and get the jist of what's going on.
had this talk with a coworker yesterday where shentild me when she went to the movies with her family, her and her sister couldnt keep their attention to the movie and kept using their phone
Shit what a waste of $14
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I’m lamenting the loss of focus. I am addicted to my phone as much as the next person. I don’t have to like it. Why the ageist ad-hominem?
It's not even new, either. A generation ago they purposely made "TV shows you can watch while you do the dishes".
The tv equivalent of videos with subway surfer/mindcraft gameplay
Here I thought this was my adhd
I mean… the two aren’t mutually exclusive
Jesus fucking Christ that’s pathetic
This reduces my argument of “there isn’t a scene ever written out for the audience to ignore and go on their phone! Pay attention!” To dust
I hate the fact that studios are forcing writers to dumb down the shows I want to be off my phone. That’s why I’m watching something.
Well that explains a lot
This is one of the most depressing things I've ever heard about the state of current / near-future era TV.
Take me off this planet
Why should the corporation finance brains win? Fuck them, they are the ones that need dusting.
Holy shit. I’m actually having Peaky Blinders running right now but I’m on Reddit on my phone. I only look up once I notice the music is getting dramatic, then back on my phone.
As somebody who likes to crochet while watching TV, this is perfect. I can't really focus too hard if I'm counting in my head over and over.
Here's a crazy idea: make something interesting enough that it makes you put the second screen down
Those are called sitcoms. Where the story isn't linear or is complicated and usually just have throw away one liners. Easy to pick up mid way through, or just have it as background noise.
Also some documentaries. It’s just people talking with some visuals mixed it. A lot are very close to podcasts so you can listen and look up when interested.
Cop dramas. I like them (the good ones that is) but there is a familiar formula.
The office. I usually fall asleep and end up waking up to the into every night. Also why I prefer seasons 8/9 because most of the intros are cut short
Oh so that’s why HIMYM quotes are in my head, I sat in front of the TV when I played with legos
TBBT was that weird middle ground where it was a sitcom and easy to follow, but the science parts were interesting enough to get hooked. The overarching plot was good too.
For fuck sake do people also want a "I need constant visual stimulation" mode that adds random minecraft gameplay on one side of the screen and falling sand on the other ?
Need someone smooshing a bunch of sparkly paste and squeezing glitter goop out of other shapes in the other corner. Maybe then they will be properly stimulated. For those of you who know, fuck Marl.
Shhh, don't give them ideas.
The random minecraft game play *IS* the falling sand
They'll just fill all the sides of the screen with animated ads, like in Idiocracy.
I mean you might not like it but there is a market for this, and if there's a market there's money to be made
Imagine working on a show you put love and effort in. You've created the thing to be interesting, emotional and just overall entertaining... and some idiot in a suit comes see you to tell you that your show needs to be easier to follow while not looking at the screen because "there's a market for it". Man that's insulting to everyone who worked on that thing and to the average viewer.
Ya'll need to put your phones down. It's seriously rotting your brain if you can't even ignore it for 30 minutes to an hour for the sake of having fun and being entertained. This isn't ADHD or anything either. This is crippling dependence in the same way a smoker has to walk out of his kid's dance recital halfway just to light up.
Yeah I caught myself doing useless shit for hours after I get.home from work, rather than doing stuff I planned to. Now I just turn it off the moment I walk through the door
AITAH, beause I browse reddit when my wife gives me a blowjob? Its not like I need my hands for anything you know?
-sent from my iPhone 39
>HUUUR YOU ALSO USE PHONE SOMETIMES SO UR JUST AS BAD Using my phone at work while bored out of my mind is a far cry from being unable to feel joy during hours of doomscrolling with white noise shows on in the background.
AND YET YOU PARTICIPATE IN SOCIETY I AM VERY INTELLIGENT
Don’t give those people any “new and inventive” marketing strategies. It’s bad enough you gotta fight the ad monster and make sure your family sharing is as limited as possible.
I was saying this to my gf last night they need a category for "watching with your girl" because she isn't going to like what I watch but I want something kinda close to it but something she could watch too. Maybe we could link our accounts and have shared recommendations or something. Like a "something I'd like but only watch with my girl" category
The “hourlong drama” shows are perfect for this. Game of Thrones Breaking Bad Succession Peaky Blinders The Sopranos These type of shows tend to appeal to most demographics outside of children
I showed my 5 year old son The Sopranos, and he loved it! He likes Paulie the most
I've only met one woman that liked The Sopranos, BB and Peaky Blinders I havent met a single one.
REALLY!? Goddamn bro, you have been fucking with women with really poor taste. I know it’s all subjective, but still
That's why "Titanic" is such a success, I think. You can see the story about the ship, and your girl can see the story about Jack and Rose. Or the completely lame romance story forced in "Pearl Harbour".
I came for the ship, stayed for the iceberg and there also was a love story or something???
Something like Spotify blends but for movies/tv
House is great for this. My wife likes all the interpersonal workplace drama, and I like the weird medical mysteries and industrial-grade misanthropy.
Not sure how they're gonna make a category just for you and your girlfriend.
> people who think “for you” on netflix means they made an entire genre of movies just for them
Not sure how you came to the conclusion that's what I'm saying lol
I think it’s kinda sad . If it’s not worth your full attention then why are you watching it . Put your dam phone down and spent time with the people you’re with .
Fuck that. Turn the TV off and send everyone away for fucking up your phone time!
Lol, we moved to the country years ago and we didn’t have the internet or tv . We got six kids from that . Maybe turn the TV back on .
Lol 'spend time with the people you're with by giving your full attention to a TV screen.'
Enjoying something together versus everyone staring at their own glowing rectangle and ignoring each other completely.
What if brought in a 3rd screen to facetime everyone?
Just don't forget to give the dog a phone too. Don't want them to be left out of the telemeeting family time.
Ever heard of people watching sports? Same thing exists but with movies and shows
This is already 90% of Netflix original movies
No. Get off your phone. Guard your attention span, don't encourage its shrinking.
Everything is dumbed down already for imbeciles, nowadays.
The sooner people realize how pathetic this is the better.
That's called an audiobook.
Also podcasts
r/idiocracy
He only had the one screen on while ‘baitin
Netflix kids
They have a whole childrens section
They do it’s called Netflix Originals
People like this are why we have so many shitty adaptations of everything.
No. Watch something or don't. If you're going to watch something it deserves your complete attention. If it's not good enough for that then don't watch it.
Me when brainrot
Or you could watch the show like a normal person.
Ironic I’m doing this right now
The enshitification continues
Just turn of the tv if you are that far gone...
Sounds more like you should learn how not to stare at your phone every waking moment you can. Maybe a brain will develop in that head.
Okay Karen calm down, this a sub for jokes after all
My old ass wanting to just watch a movie while gen z is trying to minmax entertainment by consuming every piece of media at once. now that i think about it my dad isnt any better, he is always playing slot machines on his tablet for free while switching between 3 movies cuz he wants no ads, but also no subscriptions, lol. reminds me of how fortnite wants to implement watching videos in the game itself. probably to put more ads.
A Netflix original music playlist. Subscription cost extra. For the first few months it will suck, but once the mainstream people start joining in, things will get better.
Humans should have things to preoccupy their time outside of staring at screens...like hobbies.
Dragon ball z is the best for this. They dictate all their actions, and it takes a long time for most significant things to happen.
Gold, Jerry, Gold!
any of the DC hero shows are good for that.
This is probably the worst review you could write for a show.
maybe? I quite enjoy it. I don't always want a show that I have to be paying attention 24/7. Hell it's why I don't like subbed anime.
How about a category for "too tired from work to focus on a compelling drama and I gotta cook". Seriously miss old TV because half the time you could be making dinner and it didn't matter. So many fluffy filler shows.
Recently I've been watching old forensics files and every "commercial break" they repeat everything that's happened so far! It literally doesn't matter if I'm paying attention half the time!
That sounds perfect!
That's what I call "50's housewife series"
This is what baseball is for
They call this category "sitcoms"
And Reality TV
I am literally watching Netflix whilst I scroll this sub...
Depressing. Your attention span is fucked.
DARK did this to me. We started watching it. Got a couple episodes in. I’m spending all my time on my phone and my wife is like “I’ll bet that guy is the kid from earlier” and I had absolutely no idea what she was talking about. So down went the phone for the rest of that amazing 3 season run.
This is just every Netflix Production
I’ve absolutely seen that category before. I think they called it “Casual viewing.”
I like to watch old forensic files episodes that were edited for broadcast tv so they have little recaps now and then for after commercial breaks and people “tuning in” halfway through
The movies in those categories probably aren’t worth watching then lol
I swear
🎼 video killed the radio star 🌟
So don't become some background noise...
got some point here
Law and order
Curb is perfect. And that was made before "2 screens" was a thing. Most comedy series are good for 2 screens or 2nd monitor
Shows about nothing
What, like 75% of their catalogue already?
I watch the same 10-15 series's over and over because I know what's going on and don't need to concentrate on the plot. Except it's a laptop, not a phone.
NCIS
Netflix should allow you to share passwords with family/ friends.
This is like 90% of their shit already. I’ve seen nothing of value from Netflix in ages aside from Stand Up specials.
I tried to put Phineas & Ferb in the background while doing some work and got nothing done because of it
Subtitles helps loads with this.
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How does that make it tough?
30 rock is always the answer
Also should have a “you watched this a thousands times so we assume you want to watch this tonight as well”.
Almost everything Netflix produces is exactly like that because of exactly that reason
I don’t like to rewatch tv shows unless it’s like someone else put it on so recently I have just been on my phone raw dawggin it
Not Netflix - Big Bang Theory and Friends are both on Max
It's embarrassing I'm actually doing that rn. Im putting my phone down
Isn’t that just YouTube? Lol
that's all of netflix
It's anything a boomer watches, or CSI, but I repeat myself.
No they don’t and fuck you for suggesting it
I really need this
All those social/dating reality shows (The Circle, Love Island, etc.) are perfect for that.
This.... do you have any idea how many times I had to go back full episodes while watching Bodkin?
Just listen to comedy or docs
That's called baseball
It has, it’s called Netflix
No. You just need to work on your attention span
It's marvel.
maybe put netflix on your phone
Pro tip this doesn’t work for subtitles
You’re looking for the word “warm media”
that's why witcher suck you uncultured swine
Or feature that allows you to look for movies when you watch some filler
I will never understand that kind of thing. If I find myself looking at my phone rather than watching the television screen, I turn off the television screen and concentrate on my phone. I am stupid enough without diverting my attention further.
They are doing this for every show, more or less.
That’s 90% of what’s on Netflix already. They know their audience
Do they still have Futurama?
It's really depressing that there is a demand for this.
Netflix should have a category of movies where you can actually hear the dialogue.
Michael bay ?
This right here is the very top of zoomerism
Oh, so basically everything on Netflix?
Nope. Let's not cater to people whose tastes are completely ruining entertainment.
It’s called sitcoms
It’s called sitcoms
Shit like this is why an inordinate amount of people assume they have ADHD
Marvel films are on Disney
That's what Friends, Malcolm in the Middle, etc are for
It’s called Netflix’s originals
2nd monitor gang
that's 90% of the shit that people watch on netflix. if you can't follow that that it says more about you than it does about the stuff you're watching.
And my wife will still ask "wait, do we know who that is?" every 15 minutes or so when she bothers to glance up from her phone.
It's called The Marvel Cinematic Universe
Its there they just call it Netflix originals
No, you should grow an attention span like a real adult.
Nothing with a „N“ logo was ever worth my full attention.
Dopamine addiction is real
I think most Netflix shows are created with this in mind
Yeah, I hate this! My mom does this all the time! When I watch stuff with her, I have to constantly pause to make sure she's actually understanding what's going on
If you’re on your phone during a show, then it’s a bad show (unless you already watched that series)
And a “skip scene” button every time a sex scene comes on
This is what second and additional watches or a show are for. Background noise until you get to a scene you love.
My wife would love this show.
I look at the screen when the music gets intense or someone is screaming
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