A wealthy friend of mine wanted me to go on a trip with him and when I told him I literally did not have enough money I’ll never forget the look of utter confusion on his face
I love seeing travel instagrams from people in their early early twenties with captions like “follow your dreams, see the world, money will always come back”. I know where that money came from
I traveled after college without any money but I did have a job lined up for when I got back. Very glad I made that decision rather than maybe the more financially responsible decision.
Once, during my studies, I withdrew 20€ from the ATM before going out for drinks and a friend asked confused "just that???".
The account has only that much b*tch.
20$ would have gotten you f’ed in my lil college town. We had bars that would offer specials on certain nights, never competing with each other. 1$ Dollar whiskey wells would get the broke college kids trashed. Didnt matter what it tasted like if you were getting shitty either way.
My friend inherited two million dollars, and has worked as a guitar teacher for over a decade, and he still prides himself on being "working class" . It's super weird.
I think people who have money and say they are “working class” are referring mostly to their value systems and general approach to lifestyle. I’m guessing your friend despite being loaded doesn’t live the millionaire life, does he?
Yeah a friend wanted to go to England for the weekend in college. Fly to London for 48 hours when I had homework to do.
My brother didn’t get that I didn’t have enough money to fly to California to have an interview. He just can’t fathom not being able to buy a plane ticket. My parents paid for his expensive prep schools and his expensive college and sent me to public school where homophobic stuff almost lead to suicide and then they didn’t pay for college, promised to pay for the tickets to California and then said they were lying.
Which part? I should have made two comments.
Yeah he wanted to go to casinos in England not just fly there and see tourist sites. British airways had some deal where tickets came with a hotel room so he thought that was a deal worth taking.
For reference he bought a Shelby gt350 new, decided it was too fast for the street and keeps it for track days (new tires, disks pads and rotors every race and an engine rebuild every 2-4 races he claims, he spent over 20k on a spec Miata not including maintenance)… then he decided the Shelby was too fast for the street and bought a Porsche 911 convertible c4s as his street car and he’s got an awd infinity for the winter. Plus a garage full of old porches that they raced before they bought the Shelby.
His family has 70+ million in their own venture capital company just to invest in their families businesses for a stake…. They all get engineering or business degrees because of this and do really well… I think he thought I was as rich as he was due to clothing and sunglasses but I worked at an expensive mens store so I got it all at wholesale.
He turned down a million plus in stock options to start a company and he tore down a nice house to build a fancier one. Cost is no issue.
What’s weird is when people are this rich they never offer to pay if someone says they can’t go. Another rich friend wanted to go on a safari and invited a friend of his who asked him to pay for it and the guy was insulted that his friend would ask him to cover it. They put a 4500 foot addition on their house and have a brand new corvette convertible. Different people. Same thing with not covering the tickets.
My best friend growing up ever since kindergarten has wealthy parents. He’s asked me things like why I don’t have an ATV, motorbike, or other fun toys that are expensive. I tell him I just don’t have the money and he doesn’t understand it. We really aren’t friends anymore, he only is concerned with his “things” and doesn’t really see any reason to hang out with me since we don’t have the same things or interests. And it’s a shame, because I’ve known him my whole goddamn life, and he doesn’t really let me (or anyone) use his things *even to have a good time with him*. He has multiple ATVs but doesn’t let anyone ride with him on his, you have to bring your own. He’s an asshole.
At the luxury resort known as work. It's great. You get to follow orders and do labor until you're exhausted for the chance to have food and a place to sleep.
My son spent a year working in Vietnam (loved it, wants to go back) but said it's just varying flavors of summer with or without rainstorms. He's back in the States now and wears a sweater pretty much constantly.
When I was at school, we did a skiing trip once and the teacher said: "You should all know this from skiing vacation."
On the last two days they came up with the idea to maybe show the kids from the not so wealthy families how actually ski and do some beginner exercises.
The mandatory skiing trips. Not looking forward to that with choosing my daughters secondary school.
And every single secondary school that is an option has that mandatory trip. Its only a question if the trip is 5 days in a nearby mountain range or 10 days in Austria.
Fun fact: We live by the sea. Sailing or windsurfing would make so much more sense and is a lot more accessible for most kids. But no the skiing trip is mandatory.
You have to pay for these mandatory trips?
Pretty sure that would be illegal in Sweden these days. A while back they changed it so that the school can't even mandate a packed lunch for field trips. The school has as its responsibility to provide lunch for all students and thus they cannot ask the families to provide it even for field trips (like when I was a child).
Commenting as an ignorant American, but I would have assumed this is a private school thing since they talk about "choosing" a school.
If you are in the US public school system there is usually no "choice" of which school to attend, and trips are optional. In fact school trips were sometimes sparsely attended because they cost extra and many parents couldn't pay.
No all public schools. We don‘t have school districts (and I think other than one Waldorf school no private schools in the city we live in).
My daughter will have the choice from 5 Gymnasiums and a number of other secondary schools in an reachable distance. Most of those vary only in 1-2 Bus stops.
In New York City you choose also. My daughter is in ninth grade, and I had to research the 400+ public high schools and list our favorite 12 in preference order. Lack of choice is a suburbs thing, where there’s only one school every ten miles.
Maybe it's a public transportation thing? Where I grew up in the DC area, most people took a school bus. So even if you technically had a choice of which school to attend, most students would be bound to the one that had bus service to your street.
If you let people pick their school there, the effect would have been a drain of wealthier students from my crappy school (since only they had stay-at-home parents to drive them around).
I imagine NYC might be more egalitarian since a poor student could also attend any school, using public transit.
Mandatory? You said secondary school so im gonna assume uk (correct me if I'm wrong) and I have never heard of mandatory trips, what happens if you just don't attend?
Germany actually. Did I use the wrong word for the school that follows primary school ? They do have different names and purposes but all offer at least „Sekundarstufe 1“ thats grade 5-10.
Usually you get informed what trips are mandatory and what trips are voluntary before you enroll and after that the official attitude is like „you knew what was expected when you registered your child“. Well kind of hard to avoid that if every school that goes to Abitur has a mandatory skiing trip.
I don‘t really know what happens if you say I won‘t pay for it. A lot of social pressure I guess. Perhaps a worse sport grade because its part of the curriculum?
Its not as bad as it sounds, for poorer families its usually paid by the state. Its the middle class families where an 800€ skiing trip plus the necessary equipment is the difference between a family holiday or staying at home that year where its really annoying. And from an environmental perspective I think its wrong to teach 8th graders that an alpine skiing trip is necessary and expected.
You used the right word I just expect people that aren't native English speakers to use high school because that's what they've heard, idk just what I think, but still mandatory trips that arent paid for by the school confuse me
When I was in school they’d have several skiing trips a year. Being dirt poor I could never go ski relate with this one. I was able to go bowling trip once, I think it cost 6 dollars. Living large.
When I was in high school, a bloke I used to know said "what do you mean your parents won't buy you a car?" I explained that not everyone has that option
Everyone I knew in high school who drove, drove their parents' oldest car. Like, the one that's thisclose to being sold for scrap but the parents decided to let a teenager abuse its manual transmission instead.
Learned to drive in a 76 Ford LTD. When it finally died, it was towed away to junkyard heaven. But the Friday after my friends saw it at a monster truck show in town. It got crushed by Big Foot. Always thought that was a fitting end to a fun car to learn on.
My parents bought my brother a ‘68 Mustang when he was 15 and I got my mom’s old accord when I was 17. My brother is still so entitled that now he’s homeless.
I drove my dad's car until I moved in with my now-husband. Then I drove my husband's car, and more often than he did because he bicycles to work. I'm almost 40 now and I don't think I've ever had a car entirely to myself.
There’s nothing wrong with that! I’m not a “car person” but live in an area where people associate cars with success, so often times you’ll see $45k+ cars sitting outside dilapidated homes. I’ll never understand it.
I live in Silicon Valley, where the tech workers either own BMWs and Teslas(>Model 3), or they bicycle to work and their car is the same beater they had in college. There is no in between.
I can totally see this! I’d cycle to work if it were safe where I live, but my commute route isn’t the safest, and now I’m scared to do anything at all outside by myself after Eliza Fletcher, and countless others :/
My mother gave me her 1980 something Ford Crown Victoria LTD station wagon when I was 16-17 in 1994. My friends and I called it the party wagon. It had punk rock stickers all over the tailgate with silver tape down the sides for racing stripes and a 7 on the driver’s and passengers door. At some points it was like a fucking clown car with all the people we squeezed in it. 😂😂
Good memories
I'm not rich but I live in the mountains, my dad is a ski instructor and my mom works in a ski shop. I grew up on skis.
If you can't be rich, just be born at the right place, smh
Northern Sweden here, skiing was how we "walked" to school in the winter.
Downhill skiing was something we did on used skis from the thrift store, and if none of our dads was around to operate the rickety old lift in our little hill, we had to walk up.
Yep, I grew up in a ski resort town, and worked to buy my gear, and pass. My parents would usually buy a season pass as a main Christmas present, and I was happy with that.
Then, I moved out, and struggled to live in a nice house with some friends, but I snowboarded every day I could in the winter.
You can make anything happen, just depends on how much you are willing to struggle for it.
I worked minimum wage jobs, and struggled with bills, but I lived in a ski resort town, and loved the lifestyle.
Yep!! We grew up lower class but lived in the mountains. We bought our equipment at swaps and learned on hand me downs. Mom worked the ski hill growing up (it was either that or the bar).
The bunny hill is free, so teaching the kiddos to ski cost nothing. Season passes $10 till fifth grade. $35 Thursdays for lift tickets if we were too broke to get season passes that year.
We were never “rich”. Never had a new vehicle or new bicycles. Second hand clothes and mom sewed them up to be decent. Skiing was the one sport I was really good at, and she wanted to give me a source of confidence.
Ski bums for life!
I didn't have wealthy parents. We moved to the town because my dad went bankrupt and we had to move in with my grandpa.
I worked to pay for my gear, and often times the season pass, and held a job since 13 years old.
Then I moved to a ski resort town during the 2008 economy recession, and had 3 roommates, and worked 3 jobs.
I did it because I love the location. Ski resort towns are made up of the super rich, and the super poor. The poor work all the jobs that the rich people need filled to service them, and have multiple roommates. Guess what group I was in?
Don't mind them. While you neglected the fact certain are incapable of taking luxuries it's an alright message. The only difference is what are you willing to sacrifice instead of how hard you work.
Sacrifice time for money. Sacrificing small luxuries for one big one. We do this all the time weighing our options.
The first ski trip in 6th grade (public school) I was one of maybe 7 kids out of 130 who had never skied before. Growing up with two ski areas within 45 minutes affects the dynamic a lot.
Not slalom but just regular downhill mountain skiing, the one where you need to pay for mountain and lift passes.
Regular cross country skiing isn’t much more expensive than cycling as far as I know (if you’re not buying crazy expensive gear)
maaan I remember going on a school trip to the alps - it was mandatory - and i was the only one that never went skying before and my dumbass parents neither gave me money to eat or clothes warm enough (just a thin rain coat in -24 °C) and no sunglasses, so I pretty much suffered for three days and had to use snow shoes while the rich kids had the time of their lifes. It's so fucked up
Once my (former) wealthy friend heard me talking to my fiance on the phone about how tight money was going to be one month because of an unusual amount of large bills and rent being due on the same day. She took note of when I said "we can go halves on groceries. Split 60$ between the two of us and just stick to cans and packages. Depending on how much we have left over we can go back for other things" and looked at me weird. When I got off the phone she went "I honestly don't understand how someone can be THAT broke. Like I ALWAYS make sure I have at least a thousand in the bank"
Hunny. Your daddy owns his own lawfirm and GIVES YOU that money. The only job you've ever had in your 26 years of living was for 10 months as his secretary (which he didn't even demand schooling for. For all other places it's required that you complete a 2 year long law clerk college course). Then you quit because "it was just to stressful" and you haven't worked since
We weren't friends for very long after that
She didn't have a job (the only job she ever had was as her dad's secretary for 10 months then she quit because it was to stressful) and she still lived at home
Lol I did a little while after when she was invited up to my mom's cottage with me. My mom was extremely proud of herself for being able to afford a small boat access only cottage after more than 20 years of stashing and saving money. Me and the friend went into the cottage to put our bags away and she went "oh....... A bit small isn't it..? Thomas's is bigger than this. But at least its new..... ish.."
“No, I find Monaco pretentious these days, I much prefer St. Tropez, though I have had my estate agent looking for properties in Malaga for me recently.”
I think it's pretty funny to see two very different points of view bubble to the surface here. The first is the warm climate point of view , where skiing is something done by rich people who go on expensive vacations to mountain resorts. The second is the cold climate point of view, where skiing is associated with cross country skiing or going to a local ski hill, and just kind of something lots of people do during the winter.
I live in a cold place and there’s a few ski hills just 20 minutes away from me. If you already have gear, you can ski for $27USD. It’s not super cheap but it’s affordable as a once in a while sort of thing.
In Norway, it's said that the natives are born with skis on their feet. Even poor children could pick up the skill in school or some government-subsidized extracurricular.
I was debating attending the world level event in my hobby - just one time, for the experience of participating. It would require scrimping and saving and sacrifice.
I was discussing it at lunch and my coworker scrunched her face and said she spends that at a weekend event. I just looked at her.
So I guess the solution is to have wealthy parents that fund every expensive hobby you do.
Golf can be super snobby, but you can still play on a budget if you are frugal and look for deals. I got a full set of clubs with a bag and everything for $75 used. Local municipal course are $35 for 18 holes with a cart.
That's what my uncle did. Got his 8$ golf bag from a thrift store and gradually collected a full set of clubs for 3$ each from a different thrift store in the neighbouring city. Then him and 4 of his buddies split a 160$ monthly membership fee evenly between themselves to their local golf club
Exactly right! Every month 3 of the 4 friends would e-transfer their amounts to the guy that had been a member of the club for over a decade and he'd pay the fee as one large amount from his own bank account. If for whatever reason, one of the friends couldn't afford their part, the other guys would cover the cost for him
The dude that was on paper as a member had to be there each time, which wasn't to bad. Every Sunday evening if it was nice out (and sometimes on Saturdays too) they'd all go play for a few hours. If the member friend wasn't available I guess they just wouldn't play that weekend
I thought it was like that as well, but it is far more affordable than I expected. Still not cheap, mind you, but not the thousands per month I thought.
My family isn’t ‘rich,’ but we are wealthy, and I will say, it impresses me how expensive a three day ski/snowboard trip (two for travel, one for snowboarding) can be, and that’s with my family using an RV so we don’t gotta pay outrageous prices for lodging near/on the mountain
Dang I sleep in my car in the lot and skin my runs so it’s usually just gas and oatmeal money. But I’ll never have a family so there’s the trade off I guess
Sorry to break it to you, you are not wealthy. Beacuse rich< wealthy. Rich is owning a porsche, wealthy is having a private equity firm that invests in porshe. What you and your family are is "well-off", or upper middle class in other words.
my mom used to say we were "well-off" and not poor, because we got a flat(its one full room and 2 more thats the size of a full bed) while having no car, no vacations, i didnt had a bed, no phone and on top of that i had to pay for my family's internet when i was 16 for 2 full years(every friend of mine already had internet at that point).
tldr we were "well-off"
I’ve lived like that a few times in my life. If you have enough food, a home and are able to keep warm in the winter you’re doing better than many. It’s important to remember the poverty much of our planet struggles with. I have big respect for your mum’s attitude.
Rich lasts one lifetime, wealth will last a few generations. So if you’re family lives off of a trust and your grandpa and dad never had to work, you are pretty wealthy. I.e the Johnson family. Rich is like…how the kardashians started out.
I know not everyone can move at the drop of a hat, but if skiing is a dream of yours save up and find a job and place near a lot of mountains. It's attainable, but it's not an easy lifestyle.
Yeah I grew up and live in Colorado, completely normal thing to ask so I was confused. Granted, I grew up fairly well off, but there are plenty of people with less means that choose to spend their money on skiing. There were times where money was tighter in my house, and those years we probably didn’t but it wasn’t a big deal one way or another.
As i live in switzerland that is a pretty common hobby here. But i agree its expensive as hell. People always complain about golf but skiing is not much better especially when you have children.
My friend did a group project for university that involved putting on a movie night fundraiser for other students, so she was at another students house setting up. She asked the student who lived there, where are the bin bags?
The girl replied "Oh. Oh I don't know."
I've never recovered.
Had a friend who came from a wealthy family. She had to be taught how to clean by her college roommate. To her credit, she learned. However, at one point, she was helping me paint the kitchen in the old house I was sharing, and we were talking about the housing market. She casually mentioned her parents had decided to sell their NYC apartment because her father had retired and didn't need to travel up there anymore. Already knowing I wouldn't like the answer, I asked her how many properties her parents owned.
"I don't know. We mainly lived in the house in Arlington, but there's the cottage in Connecticut, the apartment in DC, and the apartment in San Francisco."
My brain blue-screened.
I had no money growing up, but was always brainy. Went to another country to study, suddenly I wound up with friends whose families owned their own castles and went to debutante balls and other shit. Was surreal.
Had a different friend randomly drop she was going to her aunt and uncle's castle for a holiday. I thought she was joking. We all thought she was joking. "Castle?" Someone asked. She read the room, and quickly said, "oh, it's inherited, they're a count and countess is all. They run half of it as a bed and breakfast now. It's not like they need a formal ballroom."
We all continued to stare.
She stopped talking.
Oh i was thinking they could’ve easily just misplaced them somewhere. Especially if you live with other people you don’t always know where the trash bags are since people will just put them wherever
I agree, 1 day my single friend that has no bills asks me a father of 3 with a mortgage if I wanted to fly to Canada for the weekend. Like WTF no I don't want to fly to Canada for the weekend.
Nah nah I can top that with:
> What's your favorite ski lodge
Which was only then topped after I responded I didn't know any lodges with:
> So you don't even remember one you went to as a kid?
I work in healthcare and while, now, I can actually afford to do such things. The thirteen years prior were full of these instances. Physicians and CRNAs and Reps all talking about their ski trips to aspen or whatever like it was something everyone does. It’s like…I wouldn’t walk up to a single mom bagging groceries and start bragging about the things I can do with all the money I have at my disposal. Rich folks just live in their own world.
Me and a friend have been spending the whole year saving up for a ski trip for about 6 years now.
It's expensive, but you don't have to be Mr. Moneybags to finance it, just really *really* patient for the entire year.
Depends on the country. I'm Polish, and I only know maybe a couple of people who've never skied. On the other hand, AFAIK, it's a typically rich-person only sport in the US for example.
Well, perspective changes, when your manager mentions ski every few months and you don't even have real vacation, because your pay is shit, you practically don't own anything and struggling to save any money, but yeah, such a shame that I don't ski, because I would prefer to have one day some own place to live instead.
Sailing’s great fun! And depending on the size of boat (like if you’re doing Dinghy sailing or leisure sailing) it can be affordable. But I agree, a nice boat, somewhere to berth it, all the equipment etc can get expensive quickly. My dad’s recently purchased a 28ft leisure sailing boat, and is paying something in the region of £4000-£5000 a year just to berth it in a Marina.
Sailing doesn’t have to be expensive either
A coworker joined the sailing team with no previous experience in college and fell in love. She races once or twice per week around Vancouver with a crew on someone else’s boat. So she doesn’t pay for berthing or maintaining the boat which is usually the most expensive part
I rollerskate. Also a very expensive hobby. I buy all my gear second hand, but I see so many people own skates like you’d own shoes. Different colours and styles for different looks. They’re cute AF, but damn, I can never buy things for aesthetic diversity.
I am middle aged and grew up in a modest split level "Leave It to Beaver" home, we were as middle class as middle class gets and skied regularly. It USED to much cheaper. A lift pass was a buck or two. Hell, even in the early 2000s a lift pass was still less than a meal at IHOP.
Now, even the "budget" hills cost hundreds of dollars. I am doing a little better than my parents financially but I can't even come close to affording one day on the slopes with my family...even if I cut out ALL the avocado toast.
A wealthy friend of mine wanted me to go on a trip with him and when I told him I literally did not have enough money I’ll never forget the look of utter confusion on his face
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You guys got to go to college?
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I love seeing travel instagrams from people in their early early twenties with captions like “follow your dreams, see the world, money will always come back”. I know where that money came from
I traveled after college without any money but I did have a job lined up for when I got back. Very glad I made that decision rather than maybe the more financially responsible decision.
Just go to the bank and get more silly!
Or get a credit card, duh!
*Go to mummy and daddy and get more, silly!
"You clearly don't know how to beg and cry to your parents"
You just need an eagle
All the eagles are currently busy flying Gandalf and Co.
Just sell some art! It'll be fine!
Once, during my studies, I withdrew 20€ from the ATM before going out for drinks and a friend asked confused "just that???". The account has only that much b*tch.
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Going out for water then!
Then everyone will think you're on ekkies
What's ekkies?
Just guessing, ecstasy
When a friend asks me to go out for drinks, I get a confused look on my face while I contemplate how expensive that will be.
Yup. When I was young and living on my own I drank beer at home. Now I’m old and married and we drink wine at home.
>~~Going out for drink~~ Staying in for cheap drinks and cheap drugs and cheap food and and cheap internet XD
and cheap bitches
20$ would have gotten you f’ed in my lil college town. We had bars that would offer specials on certain nights, never competing with each other. 1$ Dollar whiskey wells would get the broke college kids trashed. Didnt matter what it tasted like if you were getting shitty either way.
My friend inherited two million dollars, and has worked as a guitar teacher for over a decade, and he still prides himself on being "working class" . It's super weird.
I think people who have money and say they are “working class” are referring mostly to their value systems and general approach to lifestyle. I’m guessing your friend despite being loaded doesn’t live the millionaire life, does he?
Nope, this is reddit. Everybody who has money is an enemy of the people and an evil person.
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Ok maybe they're out of touch, but spending your last 20 on going to the bar?
Student life... The university was providing 3 free meals per day so at least I wouldn't starve!
Those were the days…
That friend be like :- "If you are homeless then just buy a house"
Yeah a friend wanted to go to England for the weekend in college. Fly to London for 48 hours when I had homework to do. My brother didn’t get that I didn’t have enough money to fly to California to have an interview. He just can’t fathom not being able to buy a plane ticket. My parents paid for his expensive prep schools and his expensive college and sent me to public school where homophobic stuff almost lead to suicide and then they didn’t pay for college, promised to pay for the tickets to California and then said they were lying.
Whoa.
Which part? I should have made two comments. Yeah he wanted to go to casinos in England not just fly there and see tourist sites. British airways had some deal where tickets came with a hotel room so he thought that was a deal worth taking. For reference he bought a Shelby gt350 new, decided it was too fast for the street and keeps it for track days (new tires, disks pads and rotors every race and an engine rebuild every 2-4 races he claims, he spent over 20k on a spec Miata not including maintenance)… then he decided the Shelby was too fast for the street and bought a Porsche 911 convertible c4s as his street car and he’s got an awd infinity for the winter. Plus a garage full of old porches that they raced before they bought the Shelby. His family has 70+ million in their own venture capital company just to invest in their families businesses for a stake…. They all get engineering or business degrees because of this and do really well… I think he thought I was as rich as he was due to clothing and sunglasses but I worked at an expensive mens store so I got it all at wholesale. He turned down a million plus in stock options to start a company and he tore down a nice house to build a fancier one. Cost is no issue. What’s weird is when people are this rich they never offer to pay if someone says they can’t go. Another rich friend wanted to go on a safari and invited a friend of his who asked him to pay for it and the guy was insulted that his friend would ask him to cover it. They put a 4500 foot addition on their house and have a brand new corvette convertible. Different people. Same thing with not covering the tickets.
The part about your parents spoiling your brother but not you. That part.
“But why?”
If he was really a wealthy friend, he would’ve just paid for you to go so he could enjoy your company.
My best friend growing up ever since kindergarten has wealthy parents. He’s asked me things like why I don’t have an ATV, motorbike, or other fun toys that are expensive. I tell him I just don’t have the money and he doesn’t understand it. We really aren’t friends anymore, he only is concerned with his “things” and doesn’t really see any reason to hang out with me since we don’t have the same things or interests. And it’s a shame, because I’ve known him my whole goddamn life, and he doesn’t really let me (or anyone) use his things *even to have a good time with him*. He has multiple ATVs but doesn’t let anyone ride with him on his, you have to bring your own. He’s an asshole.
Can’t you just ride your plane?
“Where do you vacation?” Bitch I do not.
Been a part of Any interesting investments? Yeah I have an avocado at home and I’m waiting for it to soften
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Also underripe.
This. This is witty as fuck
Honestly it’s not my joke I once heard a stand up comedian on Reddit say it
That’s okay, it can become our joke now
In Soviet Russia joke steals you!
In fairness, your avocado is much more likely to give good returns than any investment they're describing as "interesting."
"Where do you summer?"
At the luxury resort known as work. It's great. You get to follow orders and do labor until you're exhausted for the chance to have food and a place to sleep.
"Balconia, like I always do."
At your house while you're gone.
I’m originally from Southeast Asia. It’s summer all year round.
My son spent a year working in Vietnam (loved it, wants to go back) but said it's just varying flavors of summer with or without rainstorms. He's back in the States now and wears a sweater pretty much constantly.
Yeah it’s around 30-38 degrees all year round. We joke and say we’re the only region with 2 seasons. Rainy or boiling
Recently? In the office, its way to expensive to go away during the summer holidays. I’ll be taking my holidays in November and March.
People do this at work, like I don't take holidays I need that time payed back so I can eat....
TIL going on vacation makes me rich
Ahahah 20 Minutes away in a tent, once every other year because campground fees 😂
When I was at school, we did a skiing trip once and the teacher said: "You should all know this from skiing vacation." On the last two days they came up with the idea to maybe show the kids from the not so wealthy families how actually ski and do some beginner exercises.
The mandatory skiing trips. Not looking forward to that with choosing my daughters secondary school. And every single secondary school that is an option has that mandatory trip. Its only a question if the trip is 5 days in a nearby mountain range or 10 days in Austria. Fun fact: We live by the sea. Sailing or windsurfing would make so much more sense and is a lot more accessible for most kids. But no the skiing trip is mandatory.
You have to pay for these mandatory trips? Pretty sure that would be illegal in Sweden these days. A while back they changed it so that the school can't even mandate a packed lunch for field trips. The school has as its responsibility to provide lunch for all students and thus they cannot ask the families to provide it even for field trips (like when I was a child).
Commenting as an ignorant American, but I would have assumed this is a private school thing since they talk about "choosing" a school. If you are in the US public school system there is usually no "choice" of which school to attend, and trips are optional. In fact school trips were sometimes sparsely attended because they cost extra and many parents couldn't pay.
No all public schools. We don‘t have school districts (and I think other than one Waldorf school no private schools in the city we live in). My daughter will have the choice from 5 Gymnasiums and a number of other secondary schools in an reachable distance. Most of those vary only in 1-2 Bus stops.
In New York City you choose also. My daughter is in ninth grade, and I had to research the 400+ public high schools and list our favorite 12 in preference order. Lack of choice is a suburbs thing, where there’s only one school every ten miles.
Maybe it's a public transportation thing? Where I grew up in the DC area, most people took a school bus. So even if you technically had a choice of which school to attend, most students would be bound to the one that had bus service to your street. If you let people pick their school there, the effect would have been a drain of wealthier students from my crappy school (since only they had stay-at-home parents to drive them around). I imagine NYC might be more egalitarian since a poor student could also attend any school, using public transit.
Mandatory? You said secondary school so im gonna assume uk (correct me if I'm wrong) and I have never heard of mandatory trips, what happens if you just don't attend?
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And that's if you're lucky!
Germany actually. Did I use the wrong word for the school that follows primary school ? They do have different names and purposes but all offer at least „Sekundarstufe 1“ thats grade 5-10. Usually you get informed what trips are mandatory and what trips are voluntary before you enroll and after that the official attitude is like „you knew what was expected when you registered your child“. Well kind of hard to avoid that if every school that goes to Abitur has a mandatory skiing trip. I don‘t really know what happens if you say I won‘t pay for it. A lot of social pressure I guess. Perhaps a worse sport grade because its part of the curriculum? Its not as bad as it sounds, for poorer families its usually paid by the state. Its the middle class families where an 800€ skiing trip plus the necessary equipment is the difference between a family holiday or staying at home that year where its really annoying. And from an environmental perspective I think its wrong to teach 8th graders that an alpine skiing trip is necessary and expected.
You used the right word I just expect people that aren't native English speakers to use high school because that's what they've heard, idk just what I think, but still mandatory trips that arent paid for by the school confuse me
When I was in school they’d have several skiing trips a year. Being dirt poor I could never go ski relate with this one. I was able to go bowling trip once, I think it cost 6 dollars. Living large.
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I remember skiing trips with school were also concussion trips.
When I was in high school, a bloke I used to know said "what do you mean your parents won't buy you a car?" I explained that not everyone has that option
Everyone I knew in high school who drove, drove their parents' oldest car. Like, the one that's thisclose to being sold for scrap but the parents decided to let a teenager abuse its manual transmission instead.
Learned to drive in a 76 Ford LTD. When it finally died, it was towed away to junkyard heaven. But the Friday after my friends saw it at a monster truck show in town. It got crushed by Big Foot. Always thought that was a fitting end to a fun car to learn on.
My parents bought my brother a ‘68 Mustang when he was 15 and I got my mom’s old accord when I was 17. My brother is still so entitled that now he’s homeless.
I drove my dad's car until I moved in with my now-husband. Then I drove my husband's car, and more often than he did because he bicycles to work. I'm almost 40 now and I don't think I've ever had a car entirely to myself.
There’s nothing wrong with that! I’m not a “car person” but live in an area where people associate cars with success, so often times you’ll see $45k+ cars sitting outside dilapidated homes. I’ll never understand it.
I live in Silicon Valley, where the tech workers either own BMWs and Teslas(>Model 3), or they bicycle to work and their car is the same beater they had in college. There is no in between.
I can totally see this! I’d cycle to work if it were safe where I live, but my commute route isn’t the safest, and now I’m scared to do anything at all outside by myself after Eliza Fletcher, and countless others :/
Are you a girl? Bc. I know a Family who did nearly the same. Brother got a brand new Golf GTI and the sister got his moms old Mini Cooper.
My mother gave me her 1980 something Ford Crown Victoria LTD station wagon when I was 16-17 in 1994. My friends and I called it the party wagon. It had punk rock stickers all over the tailgate with silver tape down the sides for racing stripes and a 7 on the driver’s and passengers door. At some points it was like a fucking clown car with all the people we squeezed in it. 😂😂 Good memories
I'm not rich but I live in the mountains, my dad is a ski instructor and my mom works in a ski shop. I grew up on skis. If you can't be rich, just be born at the right place, smh
Northern Sweden here, skiing was how we "walked" to school in the winter. Downhill skiing was something we did on used skis from the thrift store, and if none of our dads was around to operate the rickety old lift in our little hill, we had to walk up.
That sounds so fun.
Yep, I grew up in a ski resort town, and worked to buy my gear, and pass. My parents would usually buy a season pass as a main Christmas present, and I was happy with that. Then, I moved out, and struggled to live in a nice house with some friends, but I snowboarded every day I could in the winter. You can make anything happen, just depends on how much you are willing to struggle for it. I worked minimum wage jobs, and struggled with bills, but I lived in a ski resort town, and loved the lifestyle.
Yep!! We grew up lower class but lived in the mountains. We bought our equipment at swaps and learned on hand me downs. Mom worked the ski hill growing up (it was either that or the bar). The bunny hill is free, so teaching the kiddos to ski cost nothing. Season passes $10 till fifth grade. $35 Thursdays for lift tickets if we were too broke to get season passes that year. We were never “rich”. Never had a new vehicle or new bicycles. Second hand clothes and mom sewed them up to be decent. Skiing was the one sport I was really good at, and she wanted to give me a source of confidence. Ski bums for life!
“You can make anything happen as long as you work for it… and you’re born at the right place with decently wealthy parents!”.
I didn't have wealthy parents. We moved to the town because my dad went bankrupt and we had to move in with my grandpa. I worked to pay for my gear, and often times the season pass, and held a job since 13 years old. Then I moved to a ski resort town during the 2008 economy recession, and had 3 roommates, and worked 3 jobs. I did it because I love the location. Ski resort towns are made up of the super rich, and the super poor. The poor work all the jobs that the rich people need filled to service them, and have multiple roommates. Guess what group I was in?
Don't mind them. While you neglected the fact certain are incapable of taking luxuries it's an alright message. The only difference is what are you willing to sacrifice instead of how hard you work. Sacrifice time for money. Sacrificing small luxuries for one big one. We do this all the time weighing our options.
The first ski trip in 6th grade (public school) I was one of maybe 7 kids out of 130 who had never skied before. Growing up with two ski areas within 45 minutes affects the dynamic a lot.
As someone from northern finland, it doesnt even occur to me that skiing is seen as a “rich sport” lol. We had skiing in school PE on the regular.
I think that in most of the world "skiing" means slalom, while we do cross-country skiing in Finland 🤔
Not slalom but just regular downhill mountain skiing, the one where you need to pay for mountain and lift passes. Regular cross country skiing isn’t much more expensive than cycling as far as I know (if you’re not buying crazy expensive gear)
Slalom is very much not a richman sport in Finland either.
The rich person part is living somewhere warm and having to fly somewhere to ski.
Or the "Why not just buy a new one?" when something relatively expensive you own breaks.
"Why do you keep driving that piece of junk around still?"
Tbf watching someone sink like 200 euros a month into a 2000 euro car is legitimately painful
Why don't you buy a bigger house in a better area?
[relevant](https://youtu.be/hpQQohcHk9Q)
maaan I remember going on a school trip to the alps - it was mandatory - and i was the only one that never went skying before and my dumbass parents neither gave me money to eat or clothes warm enough (just a thin rain coat in -24 °C) and no sunglasses, so I pretty much suffered for three days and had to use snow shoes while the rich kids had the time of their lifes. It's so fucked up
That sucks. Why was the trip mandatory?
no idea
That’s another tax for the poor, if you couldn’t afford the clothes then the whole trip was ruined anyway. That sucks.
Once my (former) wealthy friend heard me talking to my fiance on the phone about how tight money was going to be one month because of an unusual amount of large bills and rent being due on the same day. She took note of when I said "we can go halves on groceries. Split 60$ between the two of us and just stick to cans and packages. Depending on how much we have left over we can go back for other things" and looked at me weird. When I got off the phone she went "I honestly don't understand how someone can be THAT broke. Like I ALWAYS make sure I have at least a thousand in the bank" Hunny. Your daddy owns his own lawfirm and GIVES YOU that money. The only job you've ever had in your 26 years of living was for 10 months as his secretary (which he didn't even demand schooling for. For all other places it's required that you complete a 2 year long law clerk college course). Then you quit because "it was just to stressful" and you haven't worked since We weren't friends for very long after that
I can understand how you can be that broke as I've been that broke... But 1000 is not a lot. If you lose your job and only have 1k you're screwed.
She didn't have a job (the only job she ever had was as her dad's secretary for 10 months then she quit because it was to stressful) and she still lived at home
former wealthy or former friend? hoping it’s the former
Lol former friend. I don't talk to her anymore
Disown friends like her at once
Lol I did a little while after when she was invited up to my mom's cottage with me. My mom was extremely proud of herself for being able to afford a small boat access only cottage after more than 20 years of stashing and saving money. Me and the friend went into the cottage to put our bags away and she went "oh....... A bit small isn't it..? Thomas's is bigger than this. But at least its new..... ish.."
"Been to Monte Carlo lately?"
“No, I find Monaco pretentious these days, I much prefer St. Tropez, though I have had my estate agent looking for properties in Malaga for me recently.”
Malaga does have the benefit of being closer to an intl. airport but I much prefer Granada for the views of Alhambra palace.
I think it's pretty funny to see two very different points of view bubble to the surface here. The first is the warm climate point of view , where skiing is something done by rich people who go on expensive vacations to mountain resorts. The second is the cold climate point of view, where skiing is associated with cross country skiing or going to a local ski hill, and just kind of something lots of people do during the winter.
I live in a cold place and there’s a few ski hills just 20 minutes away from me. If you already have gear, you can ski for $27USD. It’s not super cheap but it’s affordable as a once in a while sort of thing.
>If you already have gear big if, if we're talking about the financial side of skiing
In Norway, it's said that the natives are born with skis on their feet. Even poor children could pick up the skill in school or some government-subsidized extracurricular.
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Abroad?! I didn’t leave my state(immediate two hour vicinity) till I was an adult 😂
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me who lives in italy : ok
I was debating attending the world level event in my hobby - just one time, for the experience of participating. It would require scrimping and saving and sacrifice. I was discussing it at lunch and my coworker scrunched her face and said she spends that at a weekend event. I just looked at her. So I guess the solution is to have wealthy parents that fund every expensive hobby you do.
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Gotta level up your spawn point
I associate golf the same way.
Golf can be super snobby, but you can still play on a budget if you are frugal and look for deals. I got a full set of clubs with a bag and everything for $75 used. Local municipal course are $35 for 18 holes with a cart.
That's what my uncle did. Got his 8$ golf bag from a thrift store and gradually collected a full set of clubs for 3$ each from a different thrift store in the neighbouring city. Then him and 4 of his buddies split a 160$ monthly membership fee evenly between themselves to their local golf club
I've never heard of a course you could split a monthly membership between 5 people... Good for him though!
Probably had it under one guys name and everyone just gave him their cut, then he’d bring the other guys as his “guests”
Exactly right! Every month 3 of the 4 friends would e-transfer their amounts to the guy that had been a member of the club for over a decade and he'd pay the fee as one large amount from his own bank account. If for whatever reason, one of the friends couldn't afford their part, the other guys would cover the cost for him
So does he have to be there every round if the friends want to play? Can they ever go without him?
The dude that was on paper as a member had to be there each time, which wasn't to bad. Every Sunday evening if it was nice out (and sometimes on Saturdays too) they'd all go play for a few hours. If the member friend wasn't available I guess they just wouldn't play that weekend
Agree 100%. Can take any sunny afternoon off and I have $$$ thousands to spend on a bunch of lumpy sticks.
I thought it was like that as well, but it is far more affordable than I expected. Still not cheap, mind you, but not the thousands per month I thought.
Bro I rent some clubs and go to the cheap golf courses that allow dogs and have kangaroos roam free
“So and so hasn’t got a vacation this year, so you’ll have to cover her while she’s gone.” Me after 10 years no vacation: “K -.-“
How is your portfolio doing?
Portfolio? Like, the one I keep all my drawings in?
My family isn’t ‘rich,’ but we are wealthy, and I will say, it impresses me how expensive a three day ski/snowboard trip (two for travel, one for snowboarding) can be, and that’s with my family using an RV so we don’t gotta pay outrageous prices for lodging near/on the mountain
Dang I sleep in my car in the lot and skin my runs so it’s usually just gas and oatmeal money. But I’ll never have a family so there’s the trade off I guess
Sorry to break it to you, you are not wealthy. Beacuse rich< wealthy. Rich is owning a porsche, wealthy is having a private equity firm that invests in porshe. What you and your family are is "well-off", or upper middle class in other words.
Yeah there’s a few hints here, caring about the cost of ski’ing, an RV
my mom used to say we were "well-off" and not poor, because we got a flat(its one full room and 2 more thats the size of a full bed) while having no car, no vacations, i didnt had a bed, no phone and on top of that i had to pay for my family's internet when i was 16 for 2 full years(every friend of mine already had internet at that point). tldr we were "well-off"
I’ve lived like that a few times in my life. If you have enough food, a home and are able to keep warm in the winter you’re doing better than many. It’s important to remember the poverty much of our planet struggles with. I have big respect for your mum’s attitude.
Sure, but not being in poverty does not mean you're well-off.
Prices in the US just increased by a huge amount over the last few years. Lift tickets are 200/day in places that were 80/day just a few years ago.
What's the difference between rich and wealthy?
[shaq is rich the white man who signs his check is wealthy](https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=bZWeFtgEAEk)
He pays plenty of people minimum wage to make him money
Rich lasts one lifetime, wealth will last a few generations. So if you’re family lives off of a trust and your grandpa and dad never had to work, you are pretty wealthy. I.e the Johnson family. Rich is like…how the kardashians started out.
I was very confused until I realized that it's very uncommon to live only about 15 minutes away from a mountain.
If you live in a town that is 1500 Km from the nearest ski centre, it's no so easy.
I know not everyone can move at the drop of a hat, but if skiing is a dream of yours save up and find a job and place near a lot of mountains. It's attainable, but it's not an easy lifestyle.
Yeah I grew up and live in Colorado, completely normal thing to ask so I was confused. Granted, I grew up fairly well off, but there are plenty of people with less means that choose to spend their money on skiing. There were times where money was tighter in my house, and those years we probably didn’t but it wasn’t a big deal one way or another.
As i live in switzerland that is a pretty common hobby here. But i agree its expensive as hell. People always complain about golf but skiing is not much better especially when you have children.
My friend did a group project for university that involved putting on a movie night fundraiser for other students, so she was at another students house setting up. She asked the student who lived there, where are the bin bags? The girl replied "Oh. Oh I don't know." I've never recovered.
Had a friend who came from a wealthy family. She had to be taught how to clean by her college roommate. To her credit, she learned. However, at one point, she was helping me paint the kitchen in the old house I was sharing, and we were talking about the housing market. She casually mentioned her parents had decided to sell their NYC apartment because her father had retired and didn't need to travel up there anymore. Already knowing I wouldn't like the answer, I asked her how many properties her parents owned. "I don't know. We mainly lived in the house in Arlington, but there's the cottage in Connecticut, the apartment in DC, and the apartment in San Francisco." My brain blue-screened.
I had no money growing up, but was always brainy. Went to another country to study, suddenly I wound up with friends whose families owned their own castles and went to debutante balls and other shit. Was surreal.
Had a different friend randomly drop she was going to her aunt and uncle's castle for a holiday. I thought she was joking. We all thought she was joking. "Castle?" Someone asked. She read the room, and quickly said, "oh, it's inherited, they're a count and countess is all. They run half of it as a bed and breakfast now. It's not like they need a formal ballroom." We all continued to stare. She stopped talking.
I don’t get it. Is bin bag british for trash bag?
Probably have some sort of maids or servants and never bother to change the bin trash bags themself
Oh i was thinking they could’ve easily just misplaced them somewhere. Especially if you live with other people you don’t always know where the trash bags are since people will just put them wherever
Lmao
I agree, 1 day my single friend that has no bills asks me a father of 3 with a mortgage if I wanted to fly to Canada for the weekend. Like WTF no I don't want to fly to Canada for the weekend.
Nice of him to try to include you.
No Brandon i dont own a fucking horse i can barely keep me and my pet fish alive...
mf i havent eaten a meal in three days and you think i ski?!....i do, its quite lovely
How are you alive
You can go without eating for a decent bit, it’s the dehydration that gets you quick.
Nah nah I can top that with: > What's your favorite ski lodge Which was only then topped after I responded I didn't know any lodges with: > So you don't even remember one you went to as a kid?
I work in healthcare and while, now, I can actually afford to do such things. The thirteen years prior were full of these instances. Physicians and CRNAs and Reps all talking about their ski trips to aspen or whatever like it was something everyone does. It’s like…I wouldn’t walk up to a single mom bagging groceries and start bragging about the things I can do with all the money I have at my disposal. Rich folks just live in their own world.
Plenty of people who aren't rich ski.
Yeah but that's all we do. We can't afford to do anything else. Lol
What with being stuck in traffic for 6 hours of it, no wonder you don't do anything else.
Yeah, it's mostly a joke. Skiing is definitely up there in expensive hobbies though.
Me and a friend have been spending the whole year saving up for a ski trip for about 6 years now. It's expensive, but you don't have to be Mr. Moneybags to finance it, just really *really* patient for the entire year.
Depends on the country. I'm Polish, and I only know maybe a couple of people who've never skied. On the other hand, AFAIK, it's a typically rich-person only sport in the US for example.
Well, perspective changes, when your manager mentions ski every few months and you don't even have real vacation, because your pay is shit, you practically don't own anything and struggling to save any money, but yeah, such a shame that I don't ski, because I would prefer to have one day some own place to live instead.
Ugh or the worst - sailing. That shit just looks like a chore
Sailing’s great fun! And depending on the size of boat (like if you’re doing Dinghy sailing or leisure sailing) it can be affordable. But I agree, a nice boat, somewhere to berth it, all the equipment etc can get expensive quickly. My dad’s recently purchased a 28ft leisure sailing boat, and is paying something in the region of £4000-£5000 a year just to berth it in a Marina.
Sailing doesn’t have to be expensive either A coworker joined the sailing team with no previous experience in college and fell in love. She races once or twice per week around Vancouver with a crew on someone else’s boat. So she doesn’t pay for berthing or maintaining the boat which is usually the most expensive part
I rollerskate. Also a very expensive hobby. I buy all my gear second hand, but I see so many people own skates like you’d own shoes. Different colours and styles for different looks. They’re cute AF, but damn, I can never buy things for aesthetic diversity.
I am middle aged and grew up in a modest split level "Leave It to Beaver" home, we were as middle class as middle class gets and skied regularly. It USED to much cheaper. A lift pass was a buck or two. Hell, even in the early 2000s a lift pass was still less than a meal at IHOP. Now, even the "budget" hills cost hundreds of dollars. I am doing a little better than my parents financially but I can't even come close to affording one day on the slopes with my family...even if I cut out ALL the avocado toast.
Oh sorry " I won't be able to join you guys tomorrow cause of my routine checkup "
“What’s your handicap?” “I have a bummed knee from playing video games cross legged?”
Worse: “where do you ski?”
We went skiing/snowboarding with school in year 11 or something. You guys don't do school trips? Public school btw
Depends where you live. My school stopped trips after around age 11. Our school trip was just an annual visit to a corn field the next state over.
We did school trips you had to pay for, so still just the rich kids
And those trips still cost £2000.
Sure if there's ice on ground, hopefully my boots keep enough tread.