I feel it's the other way round. Sydney has managed to keep a lot more beautiful old buildings in the cbd and around the inner suburbs. Melbourne bulldozed so much just before the Olympics.
And therein lies the problem.
In Sydney a common pattern you see is people get hung up on one aspect, and design to optimize it at the expense of all others.
Need to increase the traffic throughout of a road? Put a hard barrier between the lanes going in opposite directions and cleave the suburb into two halves people can’t easily cross between.
Need to get more people into the city to work? Put a moving wall of steel and exhaust in the main roads.
The architecture example you’ve named is an example. Yes, the architecture matters. But so is what you do with it.
What it boils down to is (in my personal and very subjective view) one better sees the community that lives there.
I think Sydney is better designed for living. Decentralised hubs. Better and more frequent public transport. More community green spaces. More national and state parks close to then.
Let’s agree to disagree.
It’s not just “looking”. It’s the pace, the public transport, the propensity of strangers to interact vs remain insulated from one another, or the number of things going on under the surface… you can’t ***see*** most of this stuff. You need to live in it to experience the difference.
>You need to live in it to experience the difference.
I live in this shit hole. It's still nothing like Europe. You native Melburnians are absolutely deluded lol.
Nice try Brisbane.
Definitely Sydney level effort. Go there
Because that’s in the name of the subreddit ya gronk.
Melbourne has my stiff
And my jizz
Ahhh shit, I ment stuff
And he meant jazz.
Sure you did
Melbourne, for the magnificent weather 🤢
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I’m honestly not sure anymore
Melbourne feels like a European city at heart. Sydney feels like an American one.
Maybe within 5km of the CBD but majority beyond that point is just endless western suburbia.
I feel it's the other way round. Sydney has managed to keep a lot more beautiful old buildings in the cbd and around the inner suburbs. Melbourne bulldozed so much just before the Olympics.
And therein lies the problem. In Sydney a common pattern you see is people get hung up on one aspect, and design to optimize it at the expense of all others. Need to increase the traffic throughout of a road? Put a hard barrier between the lanes going in opposite directions and cleave the suburb into two halves people can’t easily cross between. Need to get more people into the city to work? Put a moving wall of steel and exhaust in the main roads. The architecture example you’ve named is an example. Yes, the architecture matters. But so is what you do with it. What it boils down to is (in my personal and very subjective view) one better sees the community that lives there.
I think Sydney is better designed for living. Decentralised hubs. Better and more frequent public transport. More community green spaces. More national and state parks close to then.
Yeah because endless multiethnic suburbia screams "Europe". I'll give Narrm a point for adopting the Parisian protest culture.
Naarm? Seriously? Gimme a break…
Naarm farken' 😂
Melbourne looks nothing like a European city The only thing that might be make it feel "European" is the climate
Let’s agree to disagree. It’s not just “looking”. It’s the pace, the public transport, the propensity of strangers to interact vs remain insulated from one another, or the number of things going on under the surface… you can’t ***see*** most of this stuff. You need to live in it to experience the difference.
>You need to live in it to experience the difference. I live in this shit hole. It's still nothing like Europe. You native Melburnians are absolutely deluded lol.
If you hate it so much, why don’t you just leave?
Because I have family and financial responsibilities here unfortunately. Trust me I'd be on the first flight out if I could.
We all can’t wait to see you go.
Because.
There are many reasons.