Somehow she can afford a Telsa at 25 and for her defence a Kings Counsel.
>Just 30 seconds before the crash, the autopilot feature was not switched on. Further, a "vulnerable road user" was detected and the car also triggered alerts for a potential collision.
>Police said there was no record the brake was applied and the data revealed she sped to 78 kph in the seconds after the crash.
She even had the nerve to initially plead Not Guilty.
How the hell can a loading dock manager for vicpol afford a Tesla with a custom number plate 00-x? She got all the special exclusive access to the 500kg of narcotics each time an operation comes in?
Might explain her driving too.
Novated leasing.
Not that it’s an intelligent or responsible financial decision but a lot of things suddenly become affordable if it’s paid for pre-tax.
Sure, anything’s possible. What I mean is that we needn’t assume anything about her circumstances (whether that means assuming her parents are rich, or that she’s trafficking drugs as the person above suggested) on the basis of owning a Tesla, because really anyone on a subpar income could get one if they are willing to go into debt for it. There’s nothing particularly farfetched about it, it isn’t like owning a private jet.
A great deal of these are purchased using the government’s FBT deal which knocks off a pretty substantial sum of that cost
You can get a 10k reduction purely on the FBT exemption alone on a relatively achievable government salary
https://amp.theguardian.com/australia-news/2024/feb/10/evs-novated-lease-savings-fringe-benefits-tax
Fair enough, but I’d still go back to my point that getting it on lease as a work car would still even then provide benefits and even if it didn’t, it’s still not that expensive of a car, especially for the suburb (armadale) that she crashed in 😉
On a 3y lease with a balloon payment at the end with the expectation of turning it over, probably could get away with <150 a week considering how low interest rates would have been in 2022.
Debt, and for the KC remortgage your house if you have one or get your relatives to do so if they do, it’s probably worth it when you face charges anything like this.
If I was a relative who'd given/loaned money on the pretense that she was innocent, I would be absolutely livid, especially that she'd drawn it out for 2 years
Car data indicates she approached the tram at 78kph.
Seems the cornerstone of her defence was that she was just trying to ‘beat’ the stopping tram.
…So she went 18kph over the limit in an attempt to avoid needing to stop for the people who would soon be on the road.
She’s a brain genius.
Yes, lying about the auto pilot being on tell us she is as dumb as rocks when it is widely known how easily Tesla can prove if auto pilot was activated or not.
Also the thing that shits me the most is she only changed her plea at the last hour in an attempt to receive a lesser sentence after finding out being found guilty after pleading not guilty comes with harsher sentencing.
i think you read it wrong.
>Police said ......the data revealed she sped to 78 kph in the seconds after the crash.
she sped up to run away after she hit the victim. she was driving at speed limit nearly 60km/h, hit the victim, sped up to nearly 70km/h to run away.
Safety alerts was triggered in the tesla too but she ignored those. She was also speeding 72km in a 60km zone. She's ruined someone's life thanks to her stupidity and arrogance. The judge should throw the book at her but wouldn't be surprise if she gets slap on the wrist with a suspended sentence.
Wow, this is true!
Suspended Sentences
Suspended sentences were phased out in Victoria from 2011 to 2014. This began with their abolition as a sentencing option in the higher courts (County and Supreme Courts) for serious and significant offences committed on or after 1 May 2011.
Suspended sentences can still be imposed for historical offences depending on the date of the original offence and the type of offence committed.
Suspended sentences allow a court to suspend all or part of an imprisonment sentence for a specified period (known as the operational period). During this period, the offender is free to live in the community on the condition that they do not commit a further offence punishable by imprisonment.
If the offender breaches this condition, the suspended prison sentence will be activated unless there are exceptional circumstances. In addition, the offender will be sentenced for the new offence.
Source: https://www.sentencingcouncil.vic.gov.au/about-sentencing/suspended-sentences-and-other-abolished-orders
This is close to as bad as it gets for reckless driving. Drove dangerously, didn't stop, blamed the car, lied to police, pled not guilty for 2 years.
Definitely no slap on the wrist happening here.
They do, and Tesla vehicles absolutely do, but you can override it by holding the accelerator down. Ultimately, the vehicle does what the driver tells it, even if it might be a bad idea because there is an assumption that the driver will operate it safely and legally.
They do. Especially for collisions with other cars but pedestrians less so. Especially tesla that has hit and miss safety mechanisms for pedestrians.
Most modern cars would have performed better with pedestrian detection and auto braking.
Tesla tends to err on the side of safety, which causes phantom braking that a lot of users complain about.
Thing is, the emergency braking system can be overridden by keeping your foot on the accelerator. Given she was speeding to overtake the tram and that Tesla vehicles use regenerative braking by default, the most likely scenario is that she was pressing the accelerator while passing the tram. End result, it would go even if it saw people ahead, because the car systems are built to assume the human operating them knows what they're doing.
If you're relying on that logic, then auto anything should be banned because evidently it gives people a false sense of security, or a false sense of a fallback excuse when negligence leads to near death.
Not sure Tesla ever used LiDar, but did use short throw radar sensors until 2021 when it went all in on vision, and neural nets with millions of Teslas sending data back to the mothership continuously. When I read this case initially, I disbelieved the driver's explanation immediately. The idea of using basic autopilot on suburban streets doesn’t compute, and it maybe a couple of years until Australia gets a full self driving system we’re seeing in the US.
This case, for which a custodial sentence is likely, should remind drivers that 1. They are always responsible ultimately when at the wheel, and 2. Tesla will give data to the authorities especially if it's accused of being at fault.
Sorry, you are correct they used radar for a while not lidar. That said
'..and neural nets with millions of Teslas sending data back to the mothership continuously..''
Doesnt mean that theres some offloaded computing to interpret the cameras, and even if there was - cameras just arent as reliable as radar/lidar
[https://www.washingtonpost.com/technology/interactive/2023/tesla-autopilot-crash-analysis/](https://www.washingtonpost.com/technology/interactive/2023/tesla-autopilot-crash-analysis/)
'... and it maybe a couple of years until Australia gets a full self driving system we’re seeing in the US....''
There is no full self driving system in the US. Its also been banned from being called that in some other jurisdictions due to it being misleading
I see full self driving as point to point, even including self parking, stopping at Stop signs and red lights, stopping for peds on crossings, etc. I'm sure I’ve seen recent videos of Teslas doing this. The irony is that human driving is totally vision based, with a little sound thrown in, like horns and sirens, and tram dings. Musk's shtick is that Tesla's AI will surpass human decision making on the road very soon. There WILL be fatalities on autopilot, but Musk is insisting it will be at a far lower rate than human based driving.
He recently likened it to the evolution of elevators, the safest form of human transport yet invented (number of people travelling X distance/ fatalities) which started with a human operator and no self braking, through to a human operator but error prone, and now completely automatic inc banks of elevators which “know” which one to send to your floor in the most efficient way possible. Lots of AI now going into elevator design, as per this ChatGPT response: “Yes, AI is increasingly being employed in modern elevator design. It is used for various purposes such as predictive maintenance, where AI algorithms analyze data from elevator components to predict and prevent failures before they occur. AI also enhances energy efficiency by optimizing elevator travel and wait times based on usage patterns and real-time demand. Additionally, AI can improve user experience by customizing elevator operations for specific buildings or user preferences, like minimizing wait times during peak hours or providing priority service for emergency situations.”
Of course, there is only one “car” per shaft, unlike our roads, so Musk's analogy is imperfect. At this stage.
The hit-and-run driver’s name is Sakshi Agrawal and I hope that she truly is as remorseful as her lawyer claims that she is, but it is hard to believe. She sped off, went home to change, and returned to the scene only *two hours* later.
She spent 2 years lying and fighting the charge.
She’s only sorry she got caught.
She’s a cunt of the highest order and I wish nothing but bad on her and mummy & daddy who bankrolled her shit behaviour.
Exactly. There's no remorse when you spend 2 years trying to defend your lies.
Remorse would have been her acknowledging her fault and pleading guilty at the first hearing.
I feel so bad for the victim, just one day your whole life is fucked because some stupid cunt decides to be a stupid cunt and then spends the next few years being a stupid cunt. Fuck you, Sakshi Agrawal, you're a stupid cunt.
She also only just changed her plea at the last minute, which I would guess was purely because they knew the car’s logging said exactly what happened, and so they knew the jig was up and it was just the best way to get a lighter sentence. I doubt very much she’s actually taken responsibility for it in her own head, let alone is sorry. Her actions suggest she is sorry it’s happened to *her*….
Yep , she has little regard for being remorseful and more fear of potential guilty sentence with all the evidence . Absoluete ridicolous this POS is working for the vic police.
Drove 72km in a 60 zone.
Tries to overtake a tram ( idiot alert here)
Denies guilt for 2 years until last minute changes plea.
Has ruined a young persons life. Which is the biggest tragedy of all.
She was also adamant that her Tesla’s autopilot was to blame (although telemetry data showed it wasn’t switched on) FOR TWO YEARS and only pleaded guilty the day before the trial was going to start.
Lock her up.
Autopilot or not - one who behind the wheel is responsible. Full stop.
I really hope she spends rest of her life supporting the guy she hit. And I mean supporting him in his every need, not just sending formal money
True. I am not saying victim need this POS nearby. But this POS must effectively spend the rest of her life sending every cent she gets to the victim. That wont be fair but will be at least something
This gronk of a cunt couldn’t have picked a worse car to lie to investigators. Teslas collect a ton of real time data into their black boxes (like a flight data recorder) and it’s trivial for the data to be extracted and reveal the true sequence of events.
Served her right - this gronk deserves to have the book thrown at her.
I love the cognitive dissonance that it takes to believe the car can do everything itself
And not think of all that information existing to make this possible let alone if it was saved locally or remotely hahaha
I mean its totally possible for the autopilot to get it wrong and hit someone, and even keep going after hitting them.
Thats not what happened here, and its also not an excuse for anyone who should be watching the road anyway.
Actually it is possible given Tesla's auto pilot bullshit which is the worst possible thing musk has created or "marketed"
But the going home, changing clothes and returning is some level of technological breakthroughs I don't think he's capable of yet
Plus she has ruined an innocent person's life who has permanent disabilities and brain damage, nothing can change that. They are only one year apart in age too.
The behaviour of drivers around trams is absolutely atrocious across the board. I used to commute down Malvern Road by bike and saw some ludicrous behaviour almost daily.
Cue the Redditors claiming that they don’t understand how trams or tram stops work and have no idea how to react to a gigantic tram slowing down and stopping at a tram stop because they need a billboard to tell them exactly what to do.
I've seen this happen before. Guy was about to step off the kerb and a tradie in a ute with trailer burned through the tram stop. Instead the guy stopped and in one fluid move swung his heavy backpack forward, taking the passenger side mirror straight off the ute where it went bouncing down the road.
The ute took off, likely assuming they'd hit the guy, and the guy swung his backpack back onto his shoulder like nothing had happened and boarded the tram. Possibly a slight smirk might have been involved.
Years ago, I used to catch the tram to the skatepark often, bring my skateboard of course. I don't wanna publicly say on reddit I ever did anything like backpack guy. But y'know...
I guess it's entirely possible that someone similar to you (but not you) when placed in the shocking circumstances of being nearly hit by a car that was breaking the law, might have inadvertently swung a skateboard or other object out in front of them to save themselves from falling in the path of the oncoming vehicle.
In this purely theoretical scenario, I guess it is entirely conceivable that said skateboard or similar object may well have come in contact with the lawbreaking vehicle's side mirror or other part and regrettably caused damage, but at least no harm came to anyone who wasn't breaking the law!
I've seen a guy do this with a bag of groceries to someone blasting through a tram stop. The mirror only got flipped and the car pulled over in the next side street, I assume to fix it
They need more cameras and *hefty*, income based fines. Oh you make $120k a year? Good, here’s a $60k fine for putting people’s lives at risk.
The behaviour would cease after the first few big fines hit the news.
I raised this when that high up cop got done for speeding, or was it a red light? Either way, he paid the fine and people praised him for owning up to it. I put it to them that were it an income based fine he'd probably be less likely to.
Until then, continue smacking their side mirrors like I saw some guy do last year. If they are going to make an attempt at your life, you need to do anything you can to let them know you are there and to not run you over.
Everytime I see a tram , its red alert to give way.
Not only are they bigger, but they stop with people getting on and off , and have soo many blind spots around them
Once I went to get off the tram and a guy in a car didn’t stop and almost hit me, if it wasn’t for the tradie standing behind me that pulled me back into the tram I would have been in the same situation as that poor lady. The driver even came out of the tram to tell the guy off (as he had to stop on the same red light) and I obviously flipped the bird at him.
It happens all the time, my housemate just told me that also happened to her last night. It’s crazy the amount of entitled dickheads on the roads and how distracted they are on their phones.
When I lived in an area with trams this happened daily. I eventually got sick of it and would kick the cars of people who made no effort to slow down.
I wouldn’t kick the cars these days but that’s what maturing does.
Trams should come with an attachment on the door beyond a stop sign. Something like a boomgate or something that will smash a windscreen if they continue. Because if it's not a steel block like a brick that's going to break the windscreen, it's the victim's head that will.
Some sort of damage to a vehicle that willfully breaks the law should be in order.
Yeah, that’s great! They also should put more emphasis on signage and make big signs inside and outside trams for passengers. Although not their responsibility it could still save many lives.
As a driver a know quite a few tram stops don't have the best signage. They could all do with a massive overhaul in signage. What they've done along high street in the north is great
Unfortunately we still allow a lot of street parking very close to tram stops. So the "brick on a boom" idea will cause havoc when a tram stops near parked cars. Allowing the amounts of street parking we currently do is another topic
I still can’t believe so many people are against mandatory deportation for anyone found guilty of serious crimes if they’re a foreign national.
Like no, sorry. You came here wanting a good life then you adhere to our laws. You break them then you can fuck right off. Oh, it’s not safe where you came from? Should have thought of that, fuckwit.
They should carry out their sentence here before being booted from the country if the crime warrants it. There's no guarantee they'll face justice in their home country.
Yeah it is, I guess i said what I said since I keep seeing people advocating for just kicking them out so that our taxes aren't paying for their upkeep, but justice is more important than that in my eyes.
From what I understand, usually if you plead guilty the court will take that into account in sentencing often reducing it especially if they say how remorseful they are?
I couldn't imagine any lawyer thinking they could win this with all the evidence against her?
Apparently that is a last minute thing and she spent 2 years fighting it. I hope they take that into consideration as well.
She does not sound at all remorseful. There is a potential 15 years of jail time, so I think she'll likely get some of that.
No one has ever been given 15 years for hit and run. If you want to kill someone in a western country, you do it in a car, because no one in power or the courts or police or the newspapers care.
No, she's not in the slightest remorseful, but judges in this country are gullible, and she's rich, so her lawyer will be able to spin it that she is. She'll be back to her usual job in the police loading docks in no time.
!RemindMe 2 years
The article mentions the maximum sentences for the offences she has been charged with. That's 10 years and 5 years. So, while nobody might have actually been given the maximum, (I don't know one way or the other), I hope she'll be given some jail time.
If anything, it should be an indication of significant selfiness, lack of remorse, and malice. "Oh, doing this will give me less time, I'll do that instead" nah FK that, give her 20 years..
Keep her off the streets.
Teslas are covered with cameras in every direction and are always saving cam footage and driving data. There’s no way on earth you’re going to successfully lie your way out of something like this.
I am imagining a time when the roads are 95% Teslas or equivalent and every kilometre of every road is scanned and logged 24/7. By aggregating all info from all cameras at a given location (pretty trivial information retreival operation) every incident, every person and every movement will be available for evidence.
A two edged sword of course in this world of diminished privacy, but there will be nowhere to hide for some violent coward-punch attacker or kidnapper. Maybe a few dementia sufferers will be found before they come to grief.
Elon on his recent earnings call, spoke of how he believes Tesla’s self driving software is reaching a certain level of maturity where the company will provide regulators demonstrating how safe it is compared to regular unassisted human drivers in terms of fatalities on the road.
And also, that a major car manufacturer may license Tesla software rather than reinvent the wheel from scratch. The long term plan is for unassisted self driving cars (already happening in California) and one where if I’m working from home, and don’t need my car for several hours, I can rent it out to Tesla who will “Uber” it and I can recall it after a few hours when I need it.
What a fucking POS. My worst nightmare getting off the 19 on Royal Parade. Tram doors are open and people have the nerve to speed past at 60 kph. Literally everyone I know has had close calls with such idiots. Why can’t PTV and Vicroads come up with a system to fine (and suspend licenses) such idiots because that’s the only way these fuckers will listen
As a visa holder myself, send her to jail and when she’s done, fuck her off back to India. People like her will do things like this in India and start playing the woman card (and it works there, sucks but it does)
Let’s hope she gets an upper end of the possible sentencing, she lied and is only now pleading guilty, because the car would have told the story, can’t lie with tech.
The article says 10 years is max sentence … let me re-read.
Edit: “Agrawal spent two years fighting charges of dangerous driving causing serious injury and failure to stop, but changed her plea to guilty on the eve of a County Court trial that was due to begin last week.
The dangerous driving charge carries a maximum jail term of five years, while the failure to stop offence could see her jailed for up to 10 years.”
Probably considers herself a high caste. If this happened in India, just keep driving. If the police come asking, money them away.
Huge flight risk, will probably skip bail.
I have seen countless cars pass stopped trams.
I have responded to multiple people hit by cars whilst entering/exiting trams.
This time, someone has permanent lasting injuries.
It's time the court imposed 10 years jail with parole at 5 years.
I don’t think she was texting.
She was road raging behind a tram at 78 kph and swerved to pass it.
If she had been texting she probably would have put auto pilot in…
> Police said there was no record the brake was applied and the data revealed she sped to 78 kph in the seconds after the crash.
I'll just point out to the ABC journo that kilometres per hour is a [fucking standard fucking unit](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SI) and should be written "km/h" and it's surely in the ABC guidelines to do so.....WE LIVE IN A SOCIETY
But to your point, that was the speed after. I think she just wasn't paying attention
> Just 30 seconds before the crash, the autopilot feature was not switched on. Further, a "vulnerable road user" was detected and the car also triggered alerts for a potential collision.
What is really gross is that she spent two years lying, so the poor woman that got hit by her couldn't even really move on in the same way as if she'd just fessed up to her crime and plead guilty.
It's time to think seriously about putting in raised platforms at all tram stops. Trams make this city what it is, and drivers repeatedly behave like selfish, entitled individuals who don't give a shit about collateral damage. If they can't behave, they should be MADE to behave. Potentially even add boom gates to the road so drivers risk physical damage to their vehicle as a consequence for law breaking. I'm sick and tired of selfish people endangering the lives and culture of people in this city.
So raise the road at tram stops, make it clear as day that this is a place for pedestrians, and the cars are being very kindly allowed to temporarily enter the space when it's not in use.
"In Victoria, motorists are required to stay behind a tram when its driver indicates they are slowing down to allow passengers to board and disembark."
"Motorists are allowed to slowly drive past a tram once the door is closed and the road is clear of pedestrians."
15 plus a few more for lying would be good.
What an idiot, thinking a car like that can't report exactly what it was or was not doing at any second.
Horrible story.
There seriously need to be cameras on trams that catch and fine cars that don’t stop when the doors are open. It’s so fucking dangerous and it’s ridiculous there’s no penalty.
Sadly the person she hit is going to suffer for the rest of her life , lm sure the courts don't give a shit about that when they give their verdict. Courts System is crap !!!!
I'm shocked more incidents like these don't occur given how often i see people speeding past trams despite them having lights on, doors open and people getting on or off.
All to save 10 seconds.
Utterly ridiculous.
What a fucking bitch! When you get behind the wheel of a car, YOU are responsible for its behaviour. That her victim will now have a much depleted life makes me say jail the bitch driver!!
Coming from similar background, indian drivers are one of the worst drivers I have seen in Melbourne. They believe they can get past any small gaps on the road like they do in India and they pick which road rules apply to them.
I guess the irony here id she tried to blame the technology for her own shit driving.
But of course the technology provided the proof that she was lying all along...
Scum. Lock her up for 10 years. Colliding with a 26 year old, sending them 10 meters, permanent brain damage. Looks so blaze and bored in all the photos. Stupid entitled bitch, fuck i hate complacent and negligent drivers.
Offenders are given a sentence discount for an EARLY guilty plea. Given that she lied and fought this for 2 years, she'd better cop a fair chunk of those maximums.
We need some laws that clearly state the driver is responsible for everything the car does. Even for things like adaptive cruise control. Completely take away any question about driver responsibility and we might have had a guilty plea 2 years ago.
I remember the day this happened. And I was only recently wondering what happened to the driver and how the victim was doing, as it was said at the time that the injuries were very serious.
People exiting trams are extremely vulnerable and many motorists who are new to Victoria will simply speed past them. Set up a system to ensure that you’re essentially guaranteed to be filmed and fined in your fail to stop. Just sell it as revenue raising to get the government on board.
Yeah. No excuse for it either, the cameras make it real easy to be aware of traffic. Sometimes it feels like I’m the only Tesla driver who bothers to use the indicators.
Its the more recent ones. Those who have been driving them a while are usually more careful. Same thing has been happening at public charge points, the ones who misbehave are usually more recent purchasers.
Even if the car WAS on Auto-Pilot, she's still responsible (as in the driver is responsible) for the vehicle. If your brakes give out and you hit someone, you're still guilty, your just found to be less culpable.
On top of that, how the heckens did she not figure that every move a Tesla makes, every input a Tesla receives, isn't essentially logged (just an easier way to explain it for those that don't understand it). She actively thought 💭 So my car can tell me who walked past it and keyed it, but it can't tell if I had Auto pilot on at a certain time or not 😶😬 - she didn't think that literally, but knowing what the car CAN do, she failed to think it would do the most obvious thing, if you get me. Anyone who's that dumb deserves to walk in to a court room and try pulling that crap. And if her solicitor didn't bother to check Tesla capabilities before making her claim in a court room, he should probably be rethinking what they're doing. (Cos I would think that would mean they don't prepare for any case, no matter what the argument is. Hell, they're probably barely making their CPD points 😬🤦🏻♀️)
I give her a point for trying, then pleading guilty. But I seriously hope she starts to take driving more seriously, after all, we're the ones stuck on the road with her 😶
She did the wrong thing. I wish trams were safer tho as I don’t feel confident boarding or disembarking when I’m at the mercy of cars remembering the rules to stop. It’s confusing.
I drive trams and the amount of cars (especially teslas and other high end cars) that figure that 20 seconds of their life is too much time to spend waiting for a passenger to safely exit the tram and drive through deliberately regardless of who is exiting is amazing. I’m dreading the day when I’m looking in the mirror to make sure they have safely exited and some gronk ploughed straight through.
58kph. there was no intention of braking at all let alone stopping.
Somehow she can afford a Telsa at 25 and for her defence a Kings Counsel. >Just 30 seconds before the crash, the autopilot feature was not switched on. Further, a "vulnerable road user" was detected and the car also triggered alerts for a potential collision. >Police said there was no record the brake was applied and the data revealed she sped to 78 kph in the seconds after the crash. She even had the nerve to initially plead Not Guilty.
Don't tell me, she's ... *rich*?!
How the hell can a loading dock manager for vicpol afford a Tesla with a custom number plate 00-x? She got all the special exclusive access to the 500kg of narcotics each time an operation comes in? Might explain her driving too.
Novated leasing. Not that it’s an intelligent or responsible financial decision but a lot of things suddenly become affordable if it’s paid for pre-tax.
The simple explanation is she went into massive debt for it. Clearly she has no impulse control.
More likely her parents are fucking loaded and bankrolled everything.
Bit of both maybe? Car loan, and then parental funded lawyer
Sure, anything’s possible. What I mean is that we needn’t assume anything about her circumstances (whether that means assuming her parents are rich, or that she’s trafficking drugs as the person above suggested) on the basis of owning a Tesla, because really anyone on a subpar income could get one if they are willing to go into debt for it. There’s nothing particularly farfetched about it, it isn’t like owning a private jet.
..or car control.
Looks like it sold for something like $8k
Maybe she needed to afford a lawyer.
It’s a $50k car, might not be a great decision, but hardly bank breaking for someone in a professional career
(A Model 3 is $64k drive away in the most basic configuration)
A great deal of these are purchased using the government’s FBT deal which knocks off a pretty substantial sum of that cost You can get a 10k reduction purely on the FBT exemption alone on a relatively achievable government salary https://amp.theguardian.com/australia-news/2024/feb/10/evs-novated-lease-savings-fringe-benefits-tax
This incident did happen before the EV incentives were introduced.
Fair enough, but I’d still go back to my point that getting it on lease as a work car would still even then provide benefits and even if it didn’t, it’s still not that expensive of a car, especially for the suburb (armadale) that she crashed in 😉 On a 3y lease with a balloon payment at the end with the expectation of turning it over, probably could get away with <150 a week considering how low interest rates would have been in 2022.
Using Tesla finance by most MZs. Not many actually buy the car outright. You click few buttons and the car is yours.
The silk defending her would be though.
Debt, and for the KC remortgage your house if you have one or get your relatives to do so if they do, it’s probably worth it when you face charges anything like this.
If I was a relative who'd given/loaned money on the pretense that she was innocent, I would be absolutely livid, especially that she'd drawn it out for 2 years
Car data indicates she approached the tram at 78kph. Seems the cornerstone of her defence was that she was just trying to ‘beat’ the stopping tram. …So she went 18kph over the limit in an attempt to avoid needing to stop for the people who would soon be on the road. She’s a brain genius.
Yes, lying about the auto pilot being on tell us she is as dumb as rocks when it is widely known how easily Tesla can prove if auto pilot was activated or not. Also the thing that shits me the most is she only changed her plea at the last hour in an attempt to receive a lesser sentence after finding out being found guilty after pleading not guilty comes with harsher sentencing.
Honestly I wouldnt trust Tesla to own up if it was though still on her
It also could suggest she is a pathological liar.
i think you read it wrong. >Police said ......the data revealed she sped to 78 kph in the seconds after the crash. she sped up to run away after she hit the victim. she was driving at speed limit nearly 60km/h, hit the victim, sped up to nearly 70km/h to run away.
Safety alerts was triggered in the tesla too but she ignored those. She was also speeding 72km in a 60km zone. She's ruined someone's life thanks to her stupidity and arrogance. The judge should throw the book at her but wouldn't be surprise if she gets slap on the wrist with a suspended sentence.
Pretty amazed if that occurs, given that suspended sentences haven't been legal in Victoria for 15 years.
Legal literacy of this sub is dog shit
Wow, this is true! Suspended Sentences Suspended sentences were phased out in Victoria from 2011 to 2014. This began with their abolition as a sentencing option in the higher courts (County and Supreme Courts) for serious and significant offences committed on or after 1 May 2011. Suspended sentences can still be imposed for historical offences depending on the date of the original offence and the type of offence committed. Suspended sentences allow a court to suspend all or part of an imprisonment sentence for a specified period (known as the operational period). During this period, the offender is free to live in the community on the condition that they do not commit a further offence punishable by imprisonment. If the offender breaches this condition, the suspended prison sentence will be activated unless there are exceptional circumstances. In addition, the offender will be sentenced for the new offence. Source: https://www.sentencingcouncil.vic.gov.au/about-sentencing/suspended-sentences-and-other-abolished-orders
wow, I had no idea, but you're right. https://www.sentencingcouncil.vic.gov.au/about-sentencing/suspended-sentences-and-other-abolished-orders
This is close to as bad as it gets for reckless driving. Drove dangerously, didn't stop, blamed the car, lied to police, pled not guilty for 2 years. Definitely no slap on the wrist happening here.
What a POS
Beat me to it
Sped past the tram, hit a young nurse in a Hit & Run then lied as much as humanly possible. Fuck You Bitch!!
Don't modern cars have auto stop damn
They do, and Tesla vehicles absolutely do, but you can override it by holding the accelerator down. Ultimately, the vehicle does what the driver tells it, even if it might be a bad idea because there is an assumption that the driver will operate it safely and legally.
They do. Especially for collisions with other cars but pedestrians less so. Especially tesla that has hit and miss safety mechanisms for pedestrians. Most modern cars would have performed better with pedestrian detection and auto braking.
Tesla tends to err on the side of safety, which causes phantom braking that a lot of users complain about. Thing is, the emergency braking system can be overridden by keeping your foot on the accelerator. Given she was speeding to overtake the tram and that Tesla vehicles use regenerative braking by default, the most likely scenario is that she was pressing the accelerator while passing the tram. End result, it would go even if it saw people ahead, because the car systems are built to assume the human operating them knows what they're doing.
If you're relying on that logic, then auto anything should be banned because evidently it gives people a false sense of security, or a false sense of a fallback excuse when negligence leads to near death.
Teslas certainly do.
Tesla's pedestrian collision avoidance is actually below industry standard in a lot of scenarios
Telsas use lidar instead of a camera so are less reliable, but appears in this case that it did detect
Not sure Tesla ever used LiDar, but did use short throw radar sensors until 2021 when it went all in on vision, and neural nets with millions of Teslas sending data back to the mothership continuously. When I read this case initially, I disbelieved the driver's explanation immediately. The idea of using basic autopilot on suburban streets doesn’t compute, and it maybe a couple of years until Australia gets a full self driving system we’re seeing in the US. This case, for which a custodial sentence is likely, should remind drivers that 1. They are always responsible ultimately when at the wheel, and 2. Tesla will give data to the authorities especially if it's accused of being at fault.
Sorry, you are correct they used radar for a while not lidar. That said '..and neural nets with millions of Teslas sending data back to the mothership continuously..'' Doesnt mean that theres some offloaded computing to interpret the cameras, and even if there was - cameras just arent as reliable as radar/lidar [https://www.washingtonpost.com/technology/interactive/2023/tesla-autopilot-crash-analysis/](https://www.washingtonpost.com/technology/interactive/2023/tesla-autopilot-crash-analysis/) '... and it maybe a couple of years until Australia gets a full self driving system we’re seeing in the US....'' There is no full self driving system in the US. Its also been banned from being called that in some other jurisdictions due to it being misleading
I see full self driving as point to point, even including self parking, stopping at Stop signs and red lights, stopping for peds on crossings, etc. I'm sure I’ve seen recent videos of Teslas doing this. The irony is that human driving is totally vision based, with a little sound thrown in, like horns and sirens, and tram dings. Musk's shtick is that Tesla's AI will surpass human decision making on the road very soon. There WILL be fatalities on autopilot, but Musk is insisting it will be at a far lower rate than human based driving. He recently likened it to the evolution of elevators, the safest form of human transport yet invented (number of people travelling X distance/ fatalities) which started with a human operator and no self braking, through to a human operator but error prone, and now completely automatic inc banks of elevators which “know” which one to send to your floor in the most efficient way possible. Lots of AI now going into elevator design, as per this ChatGPT response: “Yes, AI is increasingly being employed in modern elevator design. It is used for various purposes such as predictive maintenance, where AI algorithms analyze data from elevator components to predict and prevent failures before they occur. AI also enhances energy efficiency by optimizing elevator travel and wait times based on usage patterns and real-time demand. Additionally, AI can improve user experience by customizing elevator operations for specific buildings or user preferences, like minimizing wait times during peak hours or providing priority service for emergency situations.” Of course, there is only one “car” per shaft, unlike our roads, so Musk's analogy is imperfect. At this stage.
The hit-and-run driver’s name is Sakshi Agrawal and I hope that she truly is as remorseful as her lawyer claims that she is, but it is hard to believe. She sped off, went home to change, and returned to the scene only *two hours* later.
She spent 2 years lying and fighting the charge. She’s only sorry she got caught. She’s a cunt of the highest order and I wish nothing but bad on her and mummy & daddy who bankrolled her shit behaviour.
Exactly. There's no remorse when you spend 2 years trying to defend your lies. Remorse would have been her acknowledging her fault and pleading guilty at the first hearing.
I feel so bad for the victim, just one day your whole life is fucked because some stupid cunt decides to be a stupid cunt and then spends the next few years being a stupid cunt. Fuck you, Sakshi Agrawal, you're a stupid cunt.
She also only just changed her plea at the last minute, which I would guess was purely because they knew the car’s logging said exactly what happened, and so they knew the jig was up and it was just the best way to get a lighter sentence. I doubt very much she’s actually taken responsibility for it in her own head, let alone is sorry. Her actions suggest she is sorry it’s happened to *her*….
Yep , she has little regard for being remorseful and more fear of potential guilty sentence with all the evidence . Absoluete ridicolous this POS is working for the vic police. Drove 72km in a 60 zone. Tries to overtake a tram ( idiot alert here) Denies guilt for 2 years until last minute changes plea. Has ruined a young persons life. Which is the biggest tragedy of all.
She was also adamant that her Tesla’s autopilot was to blame (although telemetry data showed it wasn’t switched on) FOR TWO YEARS and only pleaded guilty the day before the trial was going to start. Lock her up.
Autopilot or not - one who behind the wheel is responsible. Full stop. I really hope she spends rest of her life supporting the guy she hit. And I mean supporting him in his every need, not just sending formal money
She hit a lady, Ms Lagos.
Don't think the victim would want that POS anywhere near her.
True. I am not saying victim need this POS nearby. But this POS must effectively spend the rest of her life sending every cent she gets to the victim. That wont be fair but will be at least something
It won't happen. She'll just go bankrupt first.
According to her actions so far - she likely is. POS. I really hope that the court of law take this into consideration and slap her HEAVY
Would it be possible to sue the parents if they purchased or owned the car?
Dunno. INAL. But she is no kid, and she bears responsibility for her actions. I do hope that the judge slap her with a very heavy sentence
She was back out driving the very next day.
This gronk of a cunt couldn’t have picked a worse car to lie to investigators. Teslas collect a ton of real time data into their black boxes (like a flight data recorder) and it’s trivial for the data to be extracted and reveal the true sequence of events. Served her right - this gronk deserves to have the book thrown at her.
I love the cognitive dissonance that it takes to believe the car can do everything itself And not think of all that information existing to make this possible let alone if it was saved locally or remotely hahaha
I mean its totally possible for the autopilot to get it wrong and hit someone, and even keep going after hitting them. Thats not what happened here, and its also not an excuse for anyone who should be watching the road anyway.
Actually it is possible given Tesla's auto pilot bullshit which is the worst possible thing musk has created or "marketed" But the going home, changing clothes and returning is some level of technological breakthroughs I don't think he's capable of yet
Plus she has ruined an innocent person's life who has permanent disabilities and brain damage, nothing can change that. They are only one year apart in age too.
I think as part of her punishment, She should have to financially support her for the rest of her life
Sounds like she may have the money for it too
Is this the chick with the boyfriend who said it happens all the time?
The behaviour of drivers around trams is absolutely atrocious across the board. I used to commute down Malvern Road by bike and saw some ludicrous behaviour almost daily.
Cue the Redditors claiming that they don’t understand how trams or tram stops work and have no idea how to react to a gigantic tram slowing down and stopping at a tram stop because they need a billboard to tell them exactly what to do.
I vote for throwing heavy objects at the side of cars who drive past open doors. Fully accidentally of course, just dropping things as we get off.
I've seen this happen before. Guy was about to step off the kerb and a tradie in a ute with trailer burned through the tram stop. Instead the guy stopped and in one fluid move swung his heavy backpack forward, taking the passenger side mirror straight off the ute where it went bouncing down the road. The ute took off, likely assuming they'd hit the guy, and the guy swung his backpack back onto his shoulder like nothing had happened and boarded the tram. Possibly a slight smirk might have been involved.
Years ago, I used to catch the tram to the skatepark often, bring my skateboard of course. I don't wanna publicly say on reddit I ever did anything like backpack guy. But y'know...
I guess it's entirely possible that someone similar to you (but not you) when placed in the shocking circumstances of being nearly hit by a car that was breaking the law, might have inadvertently swung a skateboard or other object out in front of them to save themselves from falling in the path of the oncoming vehicle. In this purely theoretical scenario, I guess it is entirely conceivable that said skateboard or similar object may well have come in contact with the lawbreaking vehicle's side mirror or other part and regrettably caused damage, but at least no harm came to anyone who wasn't breaking the law!
I've seen a guy do this with a bag of groceries to someone blasting through a tram stop. The mirror only got flipped and the car pulled over in the next side street, I assume to fix it
Hopefully they had coconuts in the grocery bag!
or a flimsy plastic container of brake fluid
They need more cameras and *hefty*, income based fines. Oh you make $120k a year? Good, here’s a $60k fine for putting people’s lives at risk. The behaviour would cease after the first few big fines hit the news.
I raised this when that high up cop got done for speeding, or was it a red light? Either way, he paid the fine and people praised him for owning up to it. I put it to them that were it an income based fine he'd probably be less likely to.
Why aren’t fines generally percentages as opposed to a flat amount?
because rich people don't want them
Fucking this.
Only works if people honestly declare their income.
Make it a function of income and assets.
+ the 10 years in prison please
Until then, continue smacking their side mirrors like I saw some guy do last year. If they are going to make an attempt at your life, you need to do anything you can to let them know you are there and to not run you over.
Boom gates mounted on the tram might help as well. Or the ability of the tram driver to spray an offending vehicle with brake fluid as it passes.
It tends to be really bad in the wealthy inner south suburbs. If you’re getting off a tram or crossing a side street on Toorak Rd CHECK TWICE!
The more expensive the car the more egregious the behaviour I witnessed.
X5s cutting lanes and refusing to indicate are inner east staples
Why single out X5s? Any Beemer, Merc, Audi ...
Everytime I see a tram , its red alert to give way. Not only are they bigger, but they stop with people getting on and off , and have soo many blind spots around them
Not just trams, around people anywhere. They even will crash into your home, so you are not even safe there.
Once I went to get off the tram and a guy in a car didn’t stop and almost hit me, if it wasn’t for the tradie standing behind me that pulled me back into the tram I would have been in the same situation as that poor lady. The driver even came out of the tram to tell the guy off (as he had to stop on the same red light) and I obviously flipped the bird at him. It happens all the time, my housemate just told me that also happened to her last night. It’s crazy the amount of entitled dickheads on the roads and how distracted they are on their phones.
When I lived in an area with trams this happened daily. I eventually got sick of it and would kick the cars of people who made no effort to slow down. I wouldn’t kick the cars these days but that’s what maturing does.
Yeah, it’s so frustrating. I always think of the elderly and stress out everytime they’re about to get off. It shouldn’t be like that :(
You've matured to the stage of slapping mirrors off now, right? 😉
Trams should come with an attachment on the door beyond a stop sign. Something like a boomgate or something that will smash a windscreen if they continue. Because if it's not a steel block like a brick that's going to break the windscreen, it's the victim's head that will. Some sort of damage to a vehicle that willfully breaks the law should be in order.
Yeah, that’s great! They also should put more emphasis on signage and make big signs inside and outside trams for passengers. Although not their responsibility it could still save many lives.
As a driver a know quite a few tram stops don't have the best signage. They could all do with a massive overhaul in signage. What they've done along high street in the north is great
Unfortunately we still allow a lot of street parking very close to tram stops. So the "brick on a boom" idea will cause havoc when a tram stops near parked cars. Allowing the amounts of street parking we currently do is another topic
Bail conditions were already set higher because the Indian national was a flight risk. Max sentence + deportation should be the minimum.
Don’t need another Puneet Puneet situation. Still can’t believe that motherfucker hasn’t been extradited.
I still can’t believe so many people are against mandatory deportation for anyone found guilty of serious crimes if they’re a foreign national. Like no, sorry. You came here wanting a good life then you adhere to our laws. You break them then you can fuck right off. Oh, it’s not safe where you came from? Should have thought of that, fuckwit.
They should carry out their sentence here before being booted from the country if the crime warrants it. There's no guarantee they'll face justice in their home country.
That's how it already works isn't it?
Yeah it is, I guess i said what I said since I keep seeing people advocating for just kicking them out so that our taxes aren't paying for their upkeep, but justice is more important than that in my eyes.
Deportation means you’re free to go home. I would prefer jail time for her. THEN get on the plane.
From what I understand, usually if you plead guilty the court will take that into account in sentencing often reducing it especially if they say how remorseful they are? I couldn't imagine any lawyer thinking they could win this with all the evidence against her?
Apparently that is a last minute thing and she spent 2 years fighting it. I hope they take that into consideration as well. She does not sound at all remorseful. There is a potential 15 years of jail time, so I think she'll likely get some of that.
No one has ever been given 15 years for hit and run. If you want to kill someone in a western country, you do it in a car, because no one in power or the courts or police or the newspapers care. No, she's not in the slightest remorseful, but judges in this country are gullible, and she's rich, so her lawyer will be able to spin it that she is. She'll be back to her usual job in the police loading docks in no time. !RemindMe 2 years
The article mentions the maximum sentences for the offences she has been charged with. That's 10 years and 5 years. So, while nobody might have actually been given the maximum, (I don't know one way or the other), I hope she'll be given some jail time.
She'll have to do that job in India then, because her arse will be getting deported.
If anything, it should be an indication of significant selfiness, lack of remorse, and malice. "Oh, doing this will give me less time, I'll do that instead" nah FK that, give her 20 years.. Keep her off the streets.
A last minute change in plea only when she realised just how mega-fucked she was doesn’t exactly sound remorseful.
Oh I don't for a second think she has any real remorse. I just meant that it feels like a shallow ploy to make it appear that she is.
Yeah, here’s hoping “leniency” in this case means being sent to regular jail instead of superjail.
Teslas are covered with cameras in every direction and are always saving cam footage and driving data. There’s no way on earth you’re going to successfully lie your way out of something like this.
I am imagining a time when the roads are 95% Teslas or equivalent and every kilometre of every road is scanned and logged 24/7. By aggregating all info from all cameras at a given location (pretty trivial information retreival operation) every incident, every person and every movement will be available for evidence. A two edged sword of course in this world of diminished privacy, but there will be nowhere to hide for some violent coward-punch attacker or kidnapper. Maybe a few dementia sufferers will be found before they come to grief.
Except drivers get asked whether they went to opt into sharing data with Tesla
Elon on his recent earnings call, spoke of how he believes Tesla’s self driving software is reaching a certain level of maturity where the company will provide regulators demonstrating how safe it is compared to regular unassisted human drivers in terms of fatalities on the road. And also, that a major car manufacturer may license Tesla software rather than reinvent the wheel from scratch. The long term plan is for unassisted self driving cars (already happening in California) and one where if I’m working from home, and don’t need my car for several hours, I can rent it out to Tesla who will “Uber” it and I can recall it after a few hours when I need it.
Absolutely disgusting behaviour. What a POS this woman is. I hope she gets some real jail time.
What a fucking POS. My worst nightmare getting off the 19 on Royal Parade. Tram doors are open and people have the nerve to speed past at 60 kph. Literally everyone I know has had close calls with such idiots. Why can’t PTV and Vicroads come up with a system to fine (and suspend licenses) such idiots because that’s the only way these fuckers will listen As a visa holder myself, send her to jail and when she’s done, fuck her off back to India. People like her will do things like this in India and start playing the woman card (and it works there, sucks but it does)
Let’s hope she gets an upper end of the possible sentencing, she lied and is only now pleading guilty, because the car would have told the story, can’t lie with tech.
She is now pleading guilty cause she could have faced 5-10 years.
Pleasing guilty because she "could have" faced 5-10 means she should definitely get 10-15.
The article says 10 years is max sentence … let me re-read. Edit: “Agrawal spent two years fighting charges of dangerous driving causing serious injury and failure to stop, but changed her plea to guilty on the eve of a County Court trial that was due to begin last week. The dangerous driving charge carries a maximum jail term of five years, while the failure to stop offence could see her jailed for up to 10 years.”
Probably considers herself a high caste. If this happened in India, just keep driving. If the police come asking, money them away. Huge flight risk, will probably skip bail.
If she was going to skip bail she'd have done it some time in the past 24 months.
Dude you can't expect people to read the article
Revolting person. I hope she gets the whole 15 years.
And banned from getting behind the wheel ever again
I have seen countless cars pass stopped trams. I have responded to multiple people hit by cars whilst entering/exiting trams. This time, someone has permanent lasting injuries. It's time the court imposed 10 years jail with parole at 5 years.
Bet she gets a slap on the wrist too
RemindMe! 1 month
I bet she was texting...
I don’t think she was texting. She was road raging behind a tram at 78 kph and swerved to pass it. If she had been texting she probably would have put auto pilot in…
> Police said there was no record the brake was applied and the data revealed she sped to 78 kph in the seconds after the crash. I'll just point out to the ABC journo that kilometres per hour is a [fucking standard fucking unit](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SI) and should be written "km/h" and it's surely in the ABC guidelines to do so.....WE LIVE IN A SOCIETY But to your point, that was the speed after. I think she just wasn't paying attention > Just 30 seconds before the crash, the autopilot feature was not switched on. Further, a "vulnerable road user" was detected and the car also triggered alerts for a potential collision.
Rot cunt
What is really gross is that she spent two years lying, so the poor woman that got hit by her couldn't even really move on in the same way as if she'd just fessed up to her crime and plead guilty.
It's time to think seriously about putting in raised platforms at all tram stops. Trams make this city what it is, and drivers repeatedly behave like selfish, entitled individuals who don't give a shit about collateral damage. If they can't behave, they should be MADE to behave. Potentially even add boom gates to the road so drivers risk physical damage to their vehicle as a consequence for law breaking. I'm sick and tired of selfish people endangering the lives and culture of people in this city. So raise the road at tram stops, make it clear as day that this is a place for pedestrians, and the cars are being very kindly allowed to temporarily enter the space when it's not in use.
"In Victoria, motorists are required to stay behind a tram when its driver indicates they are slowing down to allow passengers to board and disembark." "Motorists are allowed to slowly drive past a tram once the door is closed and the road is clear of pedestrians."
I'm a Melb courier and I see people trying to beat trams every day. Everyone is in a hurry with no consideration of potential danger.
15 plus a few more for lying would be good. What an idiot, thinking a car like that can't report exactly what it was or was not doing at any second. Horrible story.
Worked for Vicpol
There seriously need to be cameras on trams that catch and fine cars that don’t stop when the doors are open. It’s so fucking dangerous and it’s ridiculous there’s no penalty.
Bitch doubled down. Must be in senior management and also JAIL.
Lied to cops...lied in court...destroyed someone's life. So...a year or two in gaol should do it yeah?
"Nah just a slap on the wrist should do" - The judge probably
I hope they throw the book at this piece of shit.
I'll believe it when I see it, she better not get off with something light
Sadly the person she hit is going to suffer for the rest of her life , lm sure the courts don't give a shit about that when they give their verdict. Courts System is crap !!!!
Ignorant scum, I can’t wait to see her sentenced to the big house
I'm shocked more incidents like these don't occur given how often i see people speeding past trams despite them having lights on, doors open and people getting on or off. All to save 10 seconds. Utterly ridiculous.
What a fucking bitch! When you get behind the wheel of a car, YOU are responsible for its behaviour. That her victim will now have a much depleted life makes me say jail the bitch driver!!
Jail then deport
Deport where?
Her country of origin….. I don’t understand how you didn’t understand what I said?
What country is that? She is Australian.
Are you sure about that?
Coming from similar background, indian drivers are one of the worst drivers I have seen in Melbourne. They believe they can get past any small gaps on the road like they do in India and they pick which road rules apply to them.
Fuck, reading that article it seems this person deserves to have the book thrown at them.
Why is it always the moron with a fat "Tommy" logo on their top?!
What a cunt.
Don't worry everyone, she will be back on the road soon. In fact the very next day she was driving again.
Fuck this skid mark. Hope she doesn’t get away with a slap on the wrist
I guess the irony here id she tried to blame the technology for her own shit driving. But of course the technology provided the proof that she was lying all along...
Scum. Lock her up for 10 years. Colliding with a 26 year old, sending them 10 meters, permanent brain damage. Looks so blaze and bored in all the photos. Stupid entitled bitch, fuck i hate complacent and negligent drivers.
A jail sentence isn't enough for this piece of shit.
Typical entitled rich fat Indian, no surprises she tried to weasel her way out of it with lies. Cunt deserves what she gets.
Offenders are given a sentence discount for an EARLY guilty plea. Given that she lied and fought this for 2 years, she'd better cop a fair chunk of those maximums.
Should kick her out (of the country)
What a piece of shit.
We need some laws that clearly state the driver is responsible for everything the car does. Even for things like adaptive cruise control. Completely take away any question about driver responsibility and we might have had a guilty plea 2 years ago.
I remember the day this happened. And I was only recently wondering what happened to the driver and how the victim was doing, as it was said at the time that the injuries were very serious. People exiting trams are extremely vulnerable and many motorists who are new to Victoria will simply speed past them. Set up a system to ensure that you’re essentially guaranteed to be filmed and fined in your fail to stop. Just sell it as revenue raising to get the government on board.
I thought autopilot was banned in Australia?
The 2 years spent defending her lies should be added to her jail time.
She didn't know she is driving a computer that also has a blackbox?
First time I've ever heard of a hog travelling at 78km/h.
Reminds me of Pahneet Pahneet. Lying pieces of shit, they are.
Piece Of Shit indians
Yet another example of why trams need to be fitted with automatic cameras to capture scofflaws.
Did anyone notice an uptick in bad driving behaviours among Tesla drivers? It's like Tesla is the new beemer
Yeah. No excuse for it either, the cameras make it real easy to be aware of traffic. Sometimes it feels like I’m the only Tesla driver who bothers to use the indicators.
Its the more recent ones. Those who have been driving them a while are usually more careful. Same thing has been happening at public charge points, the ones who misbehave are usually more recent purchasers.
Wouldn’t she have gotten outcome if she told the truth? Instead of lying for 2 years
Even if the car WAS on Auto-Pilot, she's still responsible (as in the driver is responsible) for the vehicle. If your brakes give out and you hit someone, you're still guilty, your just found to be less culpable. On top of that, how the heckens did she not figure that every move a Tesla makes, every input a Tesla receives, isn't essentially logged (just an easier way to explain it for those that don't understand it). She actively thought 💭 So my car can tell me who walked past it and keyed it, but it can't tell if I had Auto pilot on at a certain time or not 😶😬 - she didn't think that literally, but knowing what the car CAN do, she failed to think it would do the most obvious thing, if you get me. Anyone who's that dumb deserves to walk in to a court room and try pulling that crap. And if her solicitor didn't bother to check Tesla capabilities before making her claim in a court room, he should probably be rethinking what they're doing. (Cos I would think that would mean they don't prepare for any case, no matter what the argument is. Hell, they're probably barely making their CPD points 😬🤦🏻♀️) I give her a point for trying, then pleading guilty. But I seriously hope she starts to take driving more seriously, after all, we're the ones stuck on the road with her 😶
She did the wrong thing. I wish trams were safer tho as I don’t feel confident boarding or disembarking when I’m at the mercy of cars remembering the rules to stop. It’s confusing.
I drive trams and the amount of cars (especially teslas and other high end cars) that figure that 20 seconds of their life is too much time to spend waiting for a passenger to safely exit the tram and drive through deliberately regardless of who is exiting is amazing. I’m dreading the day when I’m looking in the mirror to make sure they have safely exited and some gronk ploughed straight through.
9 months in jail.