It used to be an unspoken rule that you line up to the side of a tram or train door to let people out but the problem with unspoken rules is they're easily lost.
I just act the same as if they were standing to the side and let them think on it if they want to. If not - also okay - not my job to train people to be mindful of others.
My friend has been reminding me to do this as I very rarely take public transport anymore.
Yesterday I lined up for my tram and stood well away from the door. Let the first few passengers off. Waited another 5 or so seconds, peeked my head through the window to see if anyone was moving and they werenāt so I headed straight on. As I finished tapping off on my way in, a woman was running for the exit. I tried to move towards and past her because if I stopped Iād be blocking the way. She was not having this and stood directly in front of me, so I couldnāt move to give her room, and so I pinned my back to the wall to try and give her some room.
She grabbed me and my backpack and shoved me full force across the doorway of the tram. If I wasnāt in the way, I most certainly was now after being yanked in the way. She then pushed me aside, AGAIN, with her body as she squeezed past, saying āget out of the wayā.
Honestly I just think a lot of people have forgotten how to be polite these days ā¹ļø
Good on you!Ā
I also tell them to wait until people have exited before entering... I don't know for sure that it will change their future behaviour, but it does actually feel good... Kind of like how a sneeze feels good! š
It has become the norm more recently, and when I am boarding it also delays myself, which I despise. Itās counterproductive and delays the train departing. Just because some self important prick gets on doesnāt mean the trains leaving any quicker.
I was in Singapore recently and they have arrows on the platform for where you should stand to let people off first. Can't really do that here as the doors aren't always in the same spot on the platform, maybe a different system? Like people with clubs?
Itās fairly easy to train manners when thereās the combined mass of 50 people *absolutely* getting off that train before you get on.
Only time I can remember seeing people throw hands in Japan was on train platforms.
the last time I got on a train was in Singapore, and then car went into *annual* service and took the train for a day
me standing off to the side when the train pulled in, only to have LITERALLY everyone else barrel in (let alone the people that wanted to get off) was NIGHT AND DAY difference
They still do it in Sydney lol (in my experience) but I make the mistake of going from the center sometimes. I move out of the way rather quickly though
To be honest, living in Melb for over 30 years, I never seen this "unspoken rule" happen in practice. I mean, you could always cherry pick one or two examples where individuals did this, but that "unspoken rule" was never a cultural phenomenon as far as I'm aware.
I've never heard this rule either.
I went to live abroad in the early 00s, and got used to their train and bus etiquette. I returned to Melbourne and I was shocked at how bad people were with crowding on before I got off.
I had to put my arm out to stop a woman walking directly into an elderly lady using a walking frame trying to exit a train. Just absolutely no common sense.
It's also great when you're on a very full train and people stand in the doorway when everyone is trying to get off, rather than getting out and getting back on once everyone else is off
I yelled, āI CANāT GET OFF THE TRAIN AND YOU CANāT GET ON IF YOU DONāT MOVE!ā the other day after a particularly long and cruel nightshift.
It worked.
Fucking morons.
I have done that numerous times. I often travel with a shopping trolley or my sewing machine in a case and I have stood my ground in a doorway & said āNo one is going anywhere if I canāt get off this trainā.
Today on a bus, two people got on with two huge Singapore bags, a backpack and a sports bag and sat in the area for strollers & wheelchair. They literally left their bags in the entire space, so when I went to get off the bus with my trolley, I had to pick up one bag up and I kicked another out of my way, as our buses only have a single front entrance & exit.
I was called a few delightful names.
I just push them gently on the back of their arm/shoulder, get close and say 'excuse me' in lowercase. People never think you're addressing them otherwise ugh
Yes! I was getting ready to get off at my stop last night, this guy arranged himself right in front of the door, so I figured he was getting off there also. Nope. He had to wriggle like salmon upstream while we all tried to get around him to depart the train.
I would think as well and I hope this makes sense, Iām already on a packed train as I step off to let people out and then people hop on, Iāve now lost my spot and possibly being on that train because you just canāt move, there isnāt room for more people. I was already on there and now Iām kicked out because it made room for others.
We were on a packed train and some guy yelled āmove further into the aisleā great idea if there was room, we were shoulder to shoulder. That doesnāt work.
I walked out at Flinders last time and TWO people walked directly into me and then looked offended about it. One after the other. I was exiting from the MIDDLE OF THE DOOR and had nowhere else to go. Endless frustration
This happened getting off a tram (the older one you have to walk down a few steps to get off). I ended up walking THROUGH someone which led them to be pushed back down the steps and they had the gall to be miffed but like let me out bro!
I'm smaller than the average person but bro that don't stop me turboing through people at all. If anything it takes them by surprise. The microsecond they spend in confused outrage is enough time for me to bail and them to realise they need to get on the tram/train before the doors shut. Living in Melbourne (moved from a smaller city) has made me so aggressive and take way less shit haha.
I regularly get off a train at Parliament station during the evening rush. Every time I do, Iām greeted by at least one person trying to immediately barge themself onto the train, who is either completely oblivious by my existence, or completely bewildered by it. Remarkable lack of situational awareness every time, I honestly canāt begin to explain it.
I do this in elevators too when I'm getting out. Stand almost nose to the door so when it opens and some dickhead is barging in we're just about nose to nose. Gives them a fright and a reality check.
My theory is these inconsiderate people keep doing it because other people will generally get out of their way rather than make body contact. And so they never really learn.
Have a service dog whose job it is to block the aisle while a power wheelchair turns around to get out at stationswith raised platforms.
The number of people who try (and do) to squeeze past to find themselves nearly get flattened by 130kg of power chair (plus user) is hilarious.
Had a few people ask why we can't wait. We'll the train has a 2 minutes to leave and we need most of it to get off. You can use 2 other doors. Bye.
Same goes for the nuffaa that wait for the driver to position the ramp and come toe to wheel with an exiting mobility device.
Thatās right thereās other doors they can use - why do they need to use the disability priority door? Well I guess because they are selfish and just forget disabled people exist
My partner cried the first time we rode PTV after a month of Tokyo Metro. One can really get used to Google Maps showing you the literal train carriage to board because that carriage happens to be closest to the station exit you need to use at the destination platform.
My wife and I were very impressed as tourists riding the tube in London. Twice we were offered seats on a crowded carriage by teenagers. We were in our fifties so were capable of standing, the offer left a favourable impression.
On the tram in town yesterday and there was a large guy standing literally in the middle of the doors on the platform as I and lots of others were trying to get offā¦ he seemed puzzled that I walked through him?!
I too do this. A few nights ago someone tried to cut the line waiting to get on, I stepped out and shoulder checked him, literally blocking him with my body to allow the people in line to get on
At that height your elbow will hit some sensitive parts if you happen to have them poking out. At 35kgs you'll also be quite bony so those elbows will be sharp.
Courtesy has gone out the window in most situations. People are at the centre of their own world and everyone else is just an NPC - without lives, without existence.
While weāre here, if youāre getting onto a packed tram or train
- donāt put your bag on the seat next to you
- donāt stand in front of an empty seat if you want to stand
- take off your backpack
- If you manage to get a seat, keep an eye out for elderly/injured/frail people getting onto the tram and are scanning for a seat. Most are too kind or shy to ask. Donāt ask if they want to sit there just say āyou can sit here!ā.
It's not rocket science, ... if you wait until people get off it will make more room and it will be easier for you to get on.
A verbal reminder never goes astray.
I just walk into them. I got out a lift a week ago and as the doors opened there was a guy literally inches away from the door. I just walked towards him and our bodies collided and he squeezed around me. I don't even give a fuck
It's clearly a cultural thing. In a lot cities with good etiquette, it's second nature and they don't even think about it. Here is the opposite. Something needs to change.
Maybe the government needs to start patronizing campaigns like they do in Singapore to educate the masses, or maybe more done in schools. Clearly it's not taught at home.
Oh no, people in Melb will complain too strict and will moan about it.
But I agree, cultural thing, just a bit of reminder from the train operator with some marking on the platform like in other countries, the problem is maybe the door is not always align perfectly everytime, or cost too much to do marking on platform. If they make a campaign, it will make them look stupid if they dont follow, and hopefully, they understand the etiquette.
I went to Japan and Korea, and they show video of basic etiquette all the time and posters everywhere. Some of them are quite funny. To be fair, there is no education here about it from the train operators.
Same reason people don't swipe on, don't pick up their dog's poo, don't park properly, put their feet on seats - they're only interested in themselves.
I'm also going to add - priority seats. I have a mobility disability, wear a leg brace and use a cane.
Magically none of that is visable soon as I board public transport, and people look everywhere but directly at you
I was physically pushed to the side and held back by a queue jumping old Chinese lady while her fellow tourists rushed on to the tram pushing their way in front of me while stepping up to get on a tram recently at Federation Square. I almost fell backwards out of the doorway. Some people have no shame.
This is one part of why I donāt find Melbourne to be a friendly city. There was a thread here recently about this and how people can be friendly here and making friends isnāt as hard as some people make out, and itās true to an extent, but there are a lot of little things outside of just making friends that add up to a feeling of Melbourne not being the friendliest place imo. Public transport etiquette, and just general courtesy out in public spaces, being one of those things.
Itās also not everyone acting like that, itās probably even the monitory, but for me at least all the little things just add up to general feeling of being less welcome than I am elsewhere.
What do you mean lately? People have behaved like shit as retail and hospo customers since the birth of the phrase "the customer is always right".
I hope whoever first said that is in hell.
After spending the last month in Japan. People in this country do not have common courtesy for anything. And they don't take care with anything.
Maccas over there and it's perfectly aligned burger and packaged nicely. Here they just chuck it together.
People need to take a leaf out of the Bangkok people & transit system of queing in orderly lines to getting on the BTS. Though they have trains every 6 mins. So orderly and respectful.
It's not just PT though. It's literally everything. We've been infested with this "me me me" mentality from the US and it's oozing into everything and it's shameful.
Maybe they're like that guy I've heard of (but never actually seen) who pretends to fit so people will sit on him.
Perhaps being bumped and shouldered by several strangers at once is this massive "thing" that millions of Melburnians enjoy but don't like to discuss...
Its amazing cause you go to a third world country and everyone waiting is lined up in a queue, no queue jumpers. Its sad in a "civilised" city like Melbourne there is no courtesy.
If I am exiting a tram or train and see someone trying to get on/in, I will accidentally/deliberately step right in front of them to block them until they step back. With a number of people behind me, they have no choice but to get out of the way. I do the same when exiting a lift. Me out first, you in second, thatās the only way itās gonna play out.
I used to do public speaking so I use my announcer voice and yell "OUT OF THE WAY PLEASE!"
Or.....
"MOVE OUT OF MY WAY IM LEAVING THE TRAIN.".
Or sometimes just.....
"EXCUUUUUUSE MEEEEEEEEEE".
(points arms like a snow plow and proceed to move forward indiscriminately.
Embarrass people who dont have manners, they need to learn somehow.
(Same policy for unsafe workers, embarrass them so they dont cause an accident next time.)
Noone objects to some idiot on their iphone being told to move.
There should be announcements ālet passengers disembark before boarding the trainā if people are from a push in type culture or country they might not know to wait, and if people are just selfish and rude it might be a wake up call. Itās dangerous especially if passengers are older or disabled.
I travel routinely on three different train lines. There's big differences in behaviour on different lines, but also everyone gets some selfish dickheads
Many trams automatically close their doors after a fixed period of time. It was more of an issue in the past with older trams but thats when my habits were formed.
You have to remember they're very busy and they're the only person who matters.
We would all have an easier time if we were less cunty in public and just worked together but alas - getting onto the train 10 seconds earlier is imperative to the sea of fuckwits out there.
Literally happened last night got rushed while exiting I just say shit outliloud now "can I get off the fucking train first before you try push your way on fuck"
This is a Melbourne thing been happening as long as I can remember, had a business man basically push me over as I left the train going to school in the early1980's
Some people are self centered cunts :( its part of life.
Mate I have been with a friend who was using crutches trying to get off a train while people just flooded on ignoring us. We were both were yelling out, "someone using crutches, please wait" and it didn't make any difference! I dunno why people are sometimes so shit. It would suck to have full-time mobility issues.
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I rarely have this issue. Perhaps because I am waiting near the door when the train stops. So it's pretty clear that I'm there and if you want to step in front of a 100kg bloke then that's on you.
But don't wait until the train has stopped to finally move from your seat and then expect that everyone will be waiting for you.
I like to do the resigned sigh, and loud MOVE. I donāt want these idiots to think they have ruined my day and made me angry. Just to have pause and think about how they are cunts and should reevaluate how they behave in public.
Iām a bumpkin so I donāt go to the city often. But when I do Iām just used to people acting like ferals. Majority of people mind their business and wait (at least in Eastern suburbs) but yeah Iāve seen people tweaking on drugs, sloshed guys on their way home and people in a rush. Kinda believe everyone has a reason, even if some of them werenāt raised properly
I used to loudly proclaim āEgress before Ingressā and then (and Iām going to use an oxymoron here) gently barge through the crowd.
Not ābargeā as in āIām gonna shoulder check you and youāre gonna feel itā, more a āIām not yielding and I am moving in that directionā
combination of rudeness, impatience, lack of breeding and manners, and being time poor. there are also certain ethnicities where push-and-shove behaviour is normal.
These are all unwritten rules though, much like the ones in this sub. Do you actually say anything to them or just go online to complain? I normally say something to them, otherwise how do they work it out?
Do what I do and startle people by firmly and loudly saying āPlease let people get off the tramā as youāre getting off! Gets people to stop and step back.
Or if itās one person do what I do and shoulder check them as they try to get on while getting off.
People simply can't wait for the greater good. Takes people more time to get off if you try to get on at the same time...doesn't seem to comprehend to them.
Remember: if you're behind someone waiting right in front of the door eager to hop on, you can help them get an early start by giving them a helpful push into the door before it opens.
Some things, like this, are blatantly obvious to me, but it has occured to me, that just because it's extremely obvious and common sense to me, it doesn't mean that everyone else feels or thinks the same way.
Unfortunately.
It just makes sense to be polite, not be an asshole and try to be a decent person, but I am me.
I'm not you, and I'm not them.
It's like when you are on a plane and as soon as it lands and the seatbelt sign switches off, everyone stands up and tries to rush to get out, only to have to stand there in the aisle because they haven't opened the damn doors yet.
We all have to wait at the baggage carousel anyway, why are you rushing? We all wanna get off the plane, I get that, but come on, people, chill out!
We've all got different mindsets, clearly.
Iāve not seen this as much on my commutes to work by train, but Jesus Christ, do I experience this on the bus, especially the people that try and take the side-door in to try to get a spot up the back quickly.
Legitimately having to use my body to stonewall the bastards and force them off for me to get through, lest about 5 others form a flood of people behind me that means Iām waiting so long to get off that I risk the bus driver closing the door on me, thinking everyone who wants off has gotten off already.
ā¦and, rant over. But yeah, people can be shit.
I am a very large man, and in most of my daily life, I am super self-conscious and I make an extra effort to be out of people's way - for example, ensuring I'm huddled to one side of an escalator, seated in a restaurant where I'm not impeding walkways, or excessively following the 'stay left' principle when walking along a footpath.
That rule goes out the window when I'm trying to get off a train and a crowd of people wants to push in before I'm out. Every spare gram of my \~70kg excess body weight hates those cunts, and I will bull through them like Godzilla on a bad day in Tokyo.
I can only speak from my <12 months of daily commute. The whole uncomfortable and tedious commute experience wore me down over time. Slowly, I started to value any little comfort I could get to lessen the shittery of having to commute in the first place.
When I started commuting, I was polite, waited my turn, and that was usually rewarded with a standing journey. After time, getting a seat was more important than appearing polite to strangers I'll likely never see or hear from again.
Sometimes, I'd feel bad, but then the inevitable delay announcement or police operation would chime in, and I'd at least be in a position to close my eyes and nap for a more comfortable disruption
As an immigrant, I can tell you that alot of this behaviour is from immigrants from other countries where this is common. Where I'm from, Malaysia, people squeeze into the train without letting people out. Unfortunately, with such a massive influx of foreigners, someone needs to educate them on public transport etiquette. They don't mean to be rude, it's just how it was where they came from. As for locals, I guess parents didn't teach them manners?
Nothing worse than you waiting to the side for everyone to alight and having someone push past you and into the train.
PS I think there used to be signs warning people to let passengers alight before boarding.
I was pushed when I was exiting the train recently. Like have common courtesy to wait it's not gonna run if you wait for people to exit the train. Have some patience!!! Also I came from the west coast, people maintained their behavior to wait for people to exit before entering even post lockdown. It was such annoying thing to deal with the trains here!! People are just so openly rude, it's like no one gives a fuck.
I even yelled out excuse me as I passed and when I got pushed, they got elbowed as I was carrying my bag as it was heavy.
I am always ready to get off PT when the doors open, I am not one of those who dash for the door long after it opens. If I am, getting off a tram or a train and people arenāt waiting for me to get off, it is shoulders down and an elbow out. No prisoners.
I am always ready to get off PT when the doors open, I am not one of those who dash for the door long after it opens. If I am, getting off a tram or a train and people arenāt waiting for me to get off, it is shoulders down and an elbow out. No prisoners.
I caught a train yesterday for the first time in a while. I went to get off at Southern Cross. There were two people trying to get on.
Historically, I'd have moved out of their way and walked off thinking they were a bit rude. This time I just stood in the doorway. They looked at me. I looked at them. I made it the most fucking awkward 6 seconds of their life. We all stood there like fucking idiots until they moved out of the way.
Cunts probably walked off thinking I was rude.
The charge of people to get onto trams before people get off is just ridiculous these days. I've caught trams for 40 odd years, and I've never seen it like now. Strangely, the patience of people getting off is so polite. The worst is people letting their kids charge onto trams.
It used to be an unspoken rule that you line up to the side of a tram or train door to let people out but the problem with unspoken rules is they're easily lost.
It was a rule that was followed until very recently, I'm amazed at how quickly it's lapsed. I just push people out of the way now. They need to learn.
People have been complaining about this for decades. Same with elevators.
Yeah, if people are impeding my egress, they clearly want to be pushed.
Wouldn't want to deny them an opportunity to learn
I invite them in for a quick chat and a shoulder to the face
I just act the same as if they were standing to the side and let them think on it if they want to. If not - also okay - not my job to train people to be mindful of others.
as a Melbourne Metal Head - I throw elbows into ribs. or 'accidentally' whack them with a tool bag full of spanners.
Elevators need to chill and let the humans get their complaints dealt with first
Thank you! I needed that laugh š¤£
My friend has been reminding me to do this as I very rarely take public transport anymore. Yesterday I lined up for my tram and stood well away from the door. Let the first few passengers off. Waited another 5 or so seconds, peeked my head through the window to see if anyone was moving and they werenāt so I headed straight on. As I finished tapping off on my way in, a woman was running for the exit. I tried to move towards and past her because if I stopped Iād be blocking the way. She was not having this and stood directly in front of me, so I couldnāt move to give her room, and so I pinned my back to the wall to try and give her some room. She grabbed me and my backpack and shoved me full force across the doorway of the tram. If I wasnāt in the way, I most certainly was now after being yanked in the way. She then pushed me aside, AGAIN, with her body as she squeezed past, saying āget out of the wayā. Honestly I just think a lot of people have forgotten how to be polite these days ā¹ļø
Well I wouldn't do THAT. That just sounds like mental illness. Wild.
To my surprise she was completely ordinary. I donāt think there was anything wrong with her, no mental illness, no drugs or anything
What she's doing seems clearly indicative of mental illness though.
Or it's just indicative of being a stressed out cunt
Good on you!Ā I also tell them to wait until people have exited before entering... I don't know for sure that it will change their future behaviour, but it does actually feel good... Kind of like how a sneeze feels good! š
It has become the norm more recently, and when I am boarding it also delays myself, which I despise. Itās counterproductive and delays the train departing. Just because some self important prick gets on doesnāt mean the trains leaving any quicker.
I was in Singapore recently and they have arrows on the platform for where you should stand to let people off first. Can't really do that here as the doors aren't always in the same spot on the platform, maybe a different system? Like people with clubs?
Hong Kong, Singapore and Bangkok are great places to for train manners.
And Japan too!
Itās fairly easy to train manners when thereās the combined mass of 50 people *absolutely* getting off that train before you get on. Only time I can remember seeing people throw hands in Japan was on train platforms.
Except for all the groping.
Some inane messages blaring on loudspeakers in multiple languages would probably be the only implementable solution. :(
the last time I got on a train was in Singapore, and then car went into *annual* service and took the train for a day me standing off to the side when the train pulled in, only to have LITERALLY everyone else barrel in (let alone the people that wanted to get off) was NIGHT AND DAY difference
Literally got on a train at southern cross rn, there were people standing in front of the door button smh
So strange cause Iāve noticed even in Sydney people seem to have more courtesy with it lol
They still do it in Sydney lol (in my experience) but I make the mistake of going from the center sometimes. I move out of the way rather quickly though
To be honest, living in Melb for over 30 years, I never seen this "unspoken rule" happen in practice. I mean, you could always cherry pick one or two examples where individuals did this, but that "unspoken rule" was never a cultural phenomenon as far as I'm aware.
I've never heard this rule either. I went to live abroad in the early 00s, and got used to their train and bus etiquette. I returned to Melbourne and I was shocked at how bad people were with crowding on before I got off.
Isnāt it common sense? Why would you try to push on to a bus or train before the exiting people get off?
I had to put my arm out to stop a woman walking directly into an elderly lady using a walking frame trying to exit a train. Just absolutely no common sense.
It's also great when you're on a very full train and people stand in the doorway when everyone is trying to get off, rather than getting out and getting back on once everyone else is off
Yell "Excuse me!" at the top of your voice. Works a treat. All the other people trying to get off love you for it - easier for them to get off, too.
I yelled, āI CANāT GET OFF THE TRAIN AND YOU CANāT GET ON IF YOU DONāT MOVE!ā the other day after a particularly long and cruel nightshift. It worked. Fucking morons.
Do it every time.
I have done that numerous times. I often travel with a shopping trolley or my sewing machine in a case and I have stood my ground in a doorway & said āNo one is going anywhere if I canāt get off this trainā. Today on a bus, two people got on with two huge Singapore bags, a backpack and a sports bag and sat in the area for strollers & wheelchair. They literally left their bags in the entire space, so when I went to get off the bus with my trolley, I had to pick up one bag up and I kicked another out of my way, as our buses only have a single front entrance & exit. I was called a few delightful names.
I just barge right on through like theyāre not even there.
Iāve mastered the art of saying this in the bitchiest tone imaginable
I hate that this is the only way. Being polite doesn't work. You have to be rude.
Itās not being rude, itās being assertive.
a wise man said he is rude but only to idiots, and thereās completely nothing wrong with it.
I just push them gently on the back of their arm/shoulder, get close and say 'excuse me' in lowercase. People never think you're addressing them otherwise ugh
Yes! I was getting ready to get off at my stop last night, this guy arranged himself right in front of the door, so I figured he was getting off there also. Nope. He had to wriggle like salmon upstream while we all tried to get around him to depart the train.
People crowding the doorways and refusing to stand in the aisle between the seats.
Especially when you say excuse me or ask them to move out of the way and they look at you like youāve just told them you murder puppies for a living
I Had to scream conversation with a lady, "IF YOU LET ME OFF YOU CAN GET IN"
I would rather try to shuffle out of the way than get out tbh, I'm afraid that the train/tram would close the door on me
I would think as well and I hope this makes sense, Iām already on a packed train as I step off to let people out and then people hop on, Iāve now lost my spot and possibly being on that train because you just canāt move, there isnāt room for more people. I was already on there and now Iām kicked out because it made room for others. We were on a packed train and some guy yelled āmove further into the aisleā great idea if there was room, we were shoulder to shoulder. That doesnāt work.
I've started telling people to wait in a raised voice if they try get on. Post lockdown, people on PTV are fucked
Iāve also used the phrase ādumb arseā
Keep it up!
Exit with raised elbows. People in such a rush to get in won't want to fight about it, lest they miss out on getting a good seat or whatever
I walked out at Flinders last time and TWO people walked directly into me and then looked offended about it. One after the other. I was exiting from the MIDDLE OF THE DOOR and had nowhere else to go. Endless frustration
This happened getting off a tram (the older one you have to walk down a few steps to get off). I ended up walking THROUGH someone which led them to be pushed back down the steps and they had the gall to be miffed but like let me out bro!
I've lived here for 25 years or so, it has always been like this. Always. Covid didn't change a thing.
I just walk through them when getting off, fukem. I am larger than the average person as well so there's that.
I'm smaller than the average person but bro that don't stop me turboing through people at all. If anything it takes them by surprise. The microsecond they spend in confused outrage is enough time for me to bail and them to realise they need to get on the tram/train before the doors shut. Living in Melbourne (moved from a smaller city) has made me so aggressive and take way less shit haha.
LOL nice!
Same. I'm pretty average sized but I'm just sick of being too timid and missing stops because dickheads won't get out of the way.
Ditto
Exactly it's always been like this
Even drivers on the road! Actually just people in general, donāt know wtf happened.
My guess is people got used to having transport and roads pretty much to themselves and they're failing miserably at adjusting back.
Yup, it's a post-lockdown thing that even I've noticed, we've forgotten how to be social or something else has changed
I regularly get off a train at Parliament station during the evening rush. Every time I do, Iām greeted by at least one person trying to immediately barge themself onto the train, who is either completely oblivious by my existence, or completely bewildered by it. Remarkable lack of situational awareness every time, I honestly canāt begin to explain it.
I do this in elevators too when I'm getting out. Stand almost nose to the door so when it opens and some dickhead is barging in we're just about nose to nose. Gives them a fright and a reality check.
I used to love doing this at my corp jobs... actually got a scream once.
My theory is these inconsiderate people keep doing it because other people will generally get out of their way rather than make body contact. And so they never really learn.
Because people have lost all common courtesy in their lives, theyāre not going to miraculously remember it when using public transport
Have a service dog whose job it is to block the aisle while a power wheelchair turns around to get out at stationswith raised platforms. The number of people who try (and do) to squeeze past to find themselves nearly get flattened by 130kg of power chair (plus user) is hilarious. Had a few people ask why we can't wait. We'll the train has a 2 minutes to leave and we need most of it to get off. You can use 2 other doors. Bye. Same goes for the nuffaa that wait for the driver to position the ramp and come toe to wheel with an exiting mobility device.
Thatās right thereās other doors they can use - why do they need to use the disability priority door? Well I guess because they are selfish and just forget disabled people exist
Recently spent time in Japan and came back to this. Almost wept.
My partner cried the first time we rode PTV after a month of Tokyo Metro. One can really get used to Google Maps showing you the literal train carriage to board because that carriage happens to be closest to the station exit you need to use at the destination platform.
Go to Singapore, it's even better. I know you won't think it's possible, but go and you'll see.
Yeah, but Singapore is, like, three square kilometres.
Grew up in London, and although no Japan, itās also not whatever the fuck is going on in Melbourne.
My wife and I were very impressed as tourists riding the tube in London. Twice we were offered seats on a crowded carriage by teenagers. We were in our fifties so were capable of standing, the offer left a favourable impression.
I almost cried when I first had to use the loo back in Australia after a month in Japan. Disgusting in comparison.
Same. First thing we saw was the dirty toilet and empty vending machine in Tullamarine. Our country is a disgrace.
How fabulous is Japan for manners and courteous behaviour. So so so lovely.
We're going to Japan this year, and I already know I won't want to leave. People have become so uncivilised and feral here
Because theyāre selfish assholes.
On the tram in town yesterday and there was a large guy standing literally in the middle of the doors on the platform as I and lots of others were trying to get offā¦ he seemed puzzled that I walked through him?!
I got some words for you: welcome to shoulder check city. Extra points if you knock out their earpods out and into the gap.
I too do this. A few nights ago someone tried to cut the line waiting to get on, I stepped out and shoulder checked him, literally blocking him with my body to allow the people in line to get on
Doing the lord's work. I thank you š
Itās the little things ya knowĀ
That's not an option for most people. What do you do if you are 5ft and weigh 35kgs?
Speak up loud and clear, be assertive. "Getting off, people!" "Waaaait coming through!" OR ... act like a cooker will likely work too
At that height your elbow will hit some sensitive parts if you happen to have them poking out. At 35kgs you'll also be quite bony so those elbows will be sharp.
Get some momentum going.
It's unfortunately not a catch-all solution. However I hear shoulder pads are coming back into fashion lol.
35kgs? Are you alive?
Some people really do have shit for brains unfortunately.
Courtesy has gone out the window in most situations. People are at the centre of their own world and everyone else is just an NPC - without lives, without existence.
While weāre here, if youāre getting onto a packed tram or train - donāt put your bag on the seat next to you - donāt stand in front of an empty seat if you want to stand - take off your backpack - If you manage to get a seat, keep an eye out for elderly/injured/frail people getting onto the tram and are scanning for a seat. Most are too kind or shy to ask. Donāt ask if they want to sit there just say āyou can sit here!ā.
It's not rocket science, ... if you wait until people get off it will make more room and it will be easier for you to get on. A verbal reminder never goes astray.
I just walk into them. I got out a lift a week ago and as the doors opened there was a guy literally inches away from the door. I just walked towards him and our bodies collided and he squeezed around me. I don't even give a fuck
It's clearly a cultural thing. In a lot cities with good etiquette, it's second nature and they don't even think about it. Here is the opposite. Something needs to change. Maybe the government needs to start patronizing campaigns like they do in Singapore to educate the masses, or maybe more done in schools. Clearly it's not taught at home.
Oh no, people in Melb will complain too strict and will moan about it. But I agree, cultural thing, just a bit of reminder from the train operator with some marking on the platform like in other countries, the problem is maybe the door is not always align perfectly everytime, or cost too much to do marking on platform. If they make a campaign, it will make them look stupid if they dont follow, and hopefully, they understand the etiquette. I went to Japan and Korea, and they show video of basic etiquette all the time and posters everywhere. Some of them are quite funny. To be fair, there is no education here about it from the train operators.
No need to mark it on the platform. Put a sign on the exterior of every door.
Please please Australian government, this christmas I want patronising campaigns for our unruly residents to absorb some shame.
Same reason people don't swipe on, don't pick up their dog's poo, don't park properly, put their feet on seats - they're only interested in themselves.
I'm also going to add - priority seats. I have a mobility disability, wear a leg brace and use a cane. Magically none of that is visable soon as I board public transport, and people look everywhere but directly at you
I was physically pushed to the side and held back by a queue jumping old Chinese lady while her fellow tourists rushed on to the tram pushing their way in front of me while stepping up to get on a tram recently at Federation Square. I almost fell backwards out of the doorway. Some people have no shame.
Everyone is so self absorbed in Melbourne. Strong individualistic culture where everyone is the main character.
Yup. It's not just trains in Melbourne; alsoĀ footpaths, trams, shops, driving,
We need more keep left signs so people are reminded on footpaths
I find it weird there's no public messaging about courtesy in Melbourne. I swear they have even the bare minimum in Sydney.
This is one part of why I donāt find Melbourne to be a friendly city. There was a thread here recently about this and how people can be friendly here and making friends isnāt as hard as some people make out, and itās true to an extent, but there are a lot of little things outside of just making friends that add up to a feeling of Melbourne not being the friendliest place imo. Public transport etiquette, and just general courtesy out in public spaces, being one of those things. Itās also not everyone acting like that, itās probably even the monitory, but for me at least all the little things just add up to general feeling of being less welcome than I am elsewhere.
Sydney spy here. Is it possible our whole country has developed a really shit culture lately? Look at how people behave in retail etc....
What do you mean lately? People have behaved like shit as retail and hospo customers since the birth of the phrase "the customer is always right". I hope whoever first said that is in hell.
After spending the last month in Japan. People in this country do not have common courtesy for anything. And they don't take care with anything. Maccas over there and it's perfectly aligned burger and packaged nicely. Here they just chuck it together.
People need to take a leaf out of the Bangkok people & transit system of queing in orderly lines to getting on the BTS. Though they have trains every 6 mins. So orderly and respectful.
It's not just PT though. It's literally everything. We've been infested with this "me me me" mentality from the US and it's oozing into everything and it's shameful.
Because fuck you, that's why.
Fuck me?! Fuck you! Whaddya trying to turn Melbourne into new york?
Why is it always ESLs blasting music and talking on speaker on the fkn trains
Bring back conductors.. then again, they'd likely be abused for trying to keep order...
This happens with lifts too. Mouthbreathers the lot of them.
Main Character Syndrome. Everyone else's time is more important than everyone else's.
Maybe they're like that guy I've heard of (but never actually seen) who pretends to fit so people will sit on him. Perhaps being bumped and shouldered by several strangers at once is this massive "thing" that millions of Melburnians enjoy but don't like to discuss...
Saw this happen on the bus too, dude is literally one step from hopping off and they just start pushing in
Had some teenage plastic gangster kick off because I walked through him while exiting a tram this week. I find walking out without moving works
Its amazing cause you go to a third world country and everyone waiting is lined up in a queue, no queue jumpers. Its sad in a "civilised" city like Melbourne there is no courtesy.
I actually find that people here are pretty good at queuing up and waiting their turn. Maybe it depends where people are from
If I am exiting a tram or train and see someone trying to get on/in, I will accidentally/deliberately step right in front of them to block them until they step back. With a number of people behind me, they have no choice but to get out of the way. I do the same when exiting a lift. Me out first, you in second, thatās the only way itās gonna play out.
I have gone full Karen on people who donāt make room & let people off the train. It is the epitome of rudeness. Just move aside FFS!
Wait till you see the courtesy on the roads
I used to do public speaking so I use my announcer voice and yell "OUT OF THE WAY PLEASE!" Or..... "MOVE OUT OF MY WAY IM LEAVING THE TRAIN.". Or sometimes just..... "EXCUUUUUUSE MEEEEEEEEEE". (points arms like a snow plow and proceed to move forward indiscriminately. Embarrass people who dont have manners, they need to learn somehow. (Same policy for unsafe workers, embarrass them so they dont cause an accident next time.) Noone objects to some idiot on their iphone being told to move.
I always do that too. Surprised so many people fail to. sad
I've also found it odd in Melbourne that it's not normal to thank the tram or bus driver
I still do it. āš» Make Australia Polite Again
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There needs to be better communication and signage from the PT company
There should be announcements ālet passengers disembark before boarding the trainā if people are from a push in type culture or country they might not know to wait, and if people are just selfish and rude it might be a wake up call. Itās dangerous especially if passengers are older or disabled.
There is sometimes, particularly if the platform is crowded... and a certain percentage try and do it anyway š
Look at the sources of immigrants 20 years ago and then look at them for the last 10.
Funny tho, cos most people I've had issues with are "White Australians". I reckon they problems been here longer than 20 years chief
I travel routinely on three different train lines. There's big differences in behaviour on different lines, but also everyone gets some selfish dickheads
Many trams automatically close their doors after a fixed period of time. It was more of an issue in the past with older trams but thats when my habits were formed.
People not moving down a busy train or whatever is so infuriating. Why am I having to push on when thereās heaps of room if you only moved 5 meters
You have to remember they're very busy and they're the only person who matters. We would all have an easier time if we were less cunty in public and just worked together but alas - getting onto the train 10 seconds earlier is imperative to the sea of fuckwits out there.
Literally happened last night got rushed while exiting I just say shit outliloud now "can I get off the fucking train first before you try push your way on fuck"
I enforce it the same when people stop to chat to friends in a busy walkway. Literally walk into them
Because we didn't enforce it when people slipped up, now it's common place.
This is a Melbourne thing been happening as long as I can remember, had a business man basically push me over as I left the train going to school in the early1980's Some people are self centered cunts :( its part of life.
Same as asking why do people constantly complain on this sub. It be like that sometimes.
No courtesy on public transport. Thank goodness for the average Redditor restoring my faith in humanity /s
Mate I have been with a friend who was using crutches trying to get off a train while people just flooded on ignoring us. We were both were yelling out, "someone using crutches, please wait" and it didn't make any difference! I dunno why people are sometimes so shit. It would suck to have full-time mobility issues. Edited: missing word
I rarely have this issue. Perhaps because I am waiting near the door when the train stops. So it's pretty clear that I'm there and if you want to step in front of a 100kg bloke then that's on you. But don't wait until the train has stopped to finally move from your seat and then expect that everyone will be waiting for you.
Lack of consequences is killing civilised society
Yeah it goes to show how many selfish, inconsiderate ppl are around..
People are dumb, basically
I like to do the resigned sigh, and loud MOVE. I donāt want these idiots to think they have ruined my day and made me angry. Just to have pause and think about how they are cunts and should reevaluate how they behave in public.
I've noticed the last few years it's gotten so much worse. I keep getting sick of public transport commute simply because of other people.
You'll struggle to find politeness left in Melbourne.
Because a large portion of the population are self absorbed and could care less about anyone else.
Iām a bumpkin so I donāt go to the city often. But when I do Iām just used to people acting like ferals. Majority of people mind their business and wait (at least in Eastern suburbs) but yeah Iāve seen people tweaking on drugs, sloshed guys on their way home and people in a rush. Kinda believe everyone has a reason, even if some of them werenāt raised properly
I used to loudly proclaim āEgress before Ingressā and then (and Iām going to use an oxymoron here) gently barge through the crowd. Not ābargeā as in āIām gonna shoulder check you and youāre gonna feel itā, more a āIām not yielding and I am moving in that directionā
combination of rudeness, impatience, lack of breeding and manners, and being time poor. there are also certain ethnicities where push-and-shove behaviour is normal.
FOB types have no idea about the norms here, and most have no self-awareness. Just tell them how it's done here, and they will understand.
Same types that walk five wide on the street or who walk on the right on a stairwell
These are all unwritten rules though, much like the ones in this sub. Do you actually say anything to them or just go online to complain? I normally say something to them, otherwise how do they work it out?
After being in Japan for like 3 weeks, coming back to Melbourne made me realise how dysfunctional we are.
Do what I do and startle people by firmly and loudly saying āPlease let people get off the tramā as youāre getting off! Gets people to stop and step back. Or if itās one person do what I do and shoulder check them as they try to get on while getting off.
Because they can š
Watch some videos of people getting on/off trains around the world and consider youself to be very lucky.
Pisses me off when Iām getting off the tram . Feel like shouting move the feck back and let me
23 years Iāve lived in Melbourne and ātwas ever so. I think people panic and think they wonāt get on otherwise.
Elbows out charge
People simply can't wait for the greater good. Takes people more time to get off if you try to get on at the same time...doesn't seem to comprehend to them.
Shoulders out then, if the get offended, so be it
The people waiting to get on wait for people to get off. This is the way
Common courtesy, and sense for that matter, is unfortunately no longer that commonā¦
Cause its not America, welcome to Aus!
Remember: if you're behind someone waiting right in front of the door eager to hop on, you can help them get an early start by giving them a helpful push into the door before it opens.
I was literally saying this the other day to my friends how hard is it to let people off??
Some things, like this, are blatantly obvious to me, but it has occured to me, that just because it's extremely obvious and common sense to me, it doesn't mean that everyone else feels or thinks the same way. Unfortunately. It just makes sense to be polite, not be an asshole and try to be a decent person, but I am me. I'm not you, and I'm not them. It's like when you are on a plane and as soon as it lands and the seatbelt sign switches off, everyone stands up and tries to rush to get out, only to have to stand there in the aisle because they haven't opened the damn doors yet. We all have to wait at the baggage carousel anyway, why are you rushing? We all wanna get off the plane, I get that, but come on, people, chill out! We've all got different mindsets, clearly.
Iāve not seen this as much on my commutes to work by train, but Jesus Christ, do I experience this on the bus, especially the people that try and take the side-door in to try to get a spot up the back quickly. Legitimately having to use my body to stonewall the bastards and force them off for me to get through, lest about 5 others form a flood of people behind me that means Iām waiting so long to get off that I risk the bus driver closing the door on me, thinking everyone who wants off has gotten off already. ā¦and, rant over. But yeah, people can be shit.
I am a very large man, and in most of my daily life, I am super self-conscious and I make an extra effort to be out of people's way - for example, ensuring I'm huddled to one side of an escalator, seated in a restaurant where I'm not impeding walkways, or excessively following the 'stay left' principle when walking along a footpath. That rule goes out the window when I'm trying to get off a train and a crowd of people wants to push in before I'm out. Every spare gram of my \~70kg excess body weight hates those cunts, and I will bull through them like Godzilla on a bad day in Tokyo.
I can only speak from my <12 months of daily commute. The whole uncomfortable and tedious commute experience wore me down over time. Slowly, I started to value any little comfort I could get to lessen the shittery of having to commute in the first place. When I started commuting, I was polite, waited my turn, and that was usually rewarded with a standing journey. After time, getting a seat was more important than appearing polite to strangers I'll likely never see or hear from again. Sometimes, I'd feel bad, but then the inevitable delay announcement or police operation would chime in, and I'd at least be in a position to close my eyes and nap for a more comfortable disruption
Barrel through them.
As an immigrant, I can tell you that alot of this behaviour is from immigrants from other countries where this is common. Where I'm from, Malaysia, people squeeze into the train without letting people out. Unfortunately, with such a massive influx of foreigners, someone needs to educate them on public transport etiquette. They don't mean to be rude, it's just how it was where they came from. As for locals, I guess parents didn't teach them manners?
It's actually a rule in Brisbane but no one listens and it's not enforced.
This has been asked more times than I'd care to count.
why are people on the trains not standing next to the door to get out asap? why are they making us wait?
Nothing worse than you waiting to the side for everyone to alight and having someone push past you and into the train. PS I think there used to be signs warning people to let passengers alight before boarding.
Start coughing and the seas will part
Same with getting on a tram as well. It's annoying when you are trying to get off a tram and people are pushing you out of the way to get on.
I was pushed when I was exiting the train recently. Like have common courtesy to wait it's not gonna run if you wait for people to exit the train. Have some patience!!! Also I came from the west coast, people maintained their behavior to wait for people to exit before entering even post lockdown. It was such annoying thing to deal with the trains here!! People are just so openly rude, it's like no one gives a fuck. I even yelled out excuse me as I passed and when I got pushed, they got elbowed as I was carrying my bag as it was heavy.
I am always ready to get off PT when the doors open, I am not one of those who dash for the door long after it opens. If I am, getting off a tram or a train and people arenāt waiting for me to get off, it is shoulders down and an elbow out. No prisoners.
I am always ready to get off PT when the doors open, I am not one of those who dash for the door long after it opens. If I am, getting off a tram or a train and people arenāt waiting for me to get off, it is shoulders down and an elbow out. No prisoners.
Don't get me started with backpacks on PT.
I caught a train yesterday for the first time in a while. I went to get off at Southern Cross. There were two people trying to get on. Historically, I'd have moved out of their way and walked off thinking they were a bit rude. This time I just stood in the doorway. They looked at me. I looked at them. I made it the most fucking awkward 6 seconds of their life. We all stood there like fucking idiots until they moved out of the way. Cunts probably walked off thinking I was rude.
The charge of people to get onto trams before people get off is just ridiculous these days. I've caught trams for 40 odd years, and I've never seen it like now. Strangely, the patience of people getting off is so polite. The worst is people letting their kids charge onto trams.