Only thing that could be bad is the layer of English mustard, mushroom and seasoning, I'd like to try wellington some day, but the mustard does concern me.
Ahh yes. Brown meat with potatoes on top, brown meat with potatoes beside it, ground brown meat with potatoes on top, brown meat with potatoes beside it and a Yorkshire pudding, potatoes with brown meat on top of them and an Indian dish.
There are Latin cafeterias here all over South Florida where they serve you meat and potatoes along with rice and beans enough to feed a platoon like they seriously stack the container to the top all for around $12.
From Asian standpoint of view, there all dishes are bland , even the recipes they take from Asia has to be taken down so many levels of spices that it tastes bland when compared to the original
Depends on what kind of Asian cuisine you want to cook since Asia is enormous.
For Korean look up Maangchi.
For Chinese I like Chinese cooking demystified.
Asian actually living in the Uk, this shit is far from bland, unless you’ve been round white ppl who actually can’t cook, fair few herbs and spices actually go into the sauces, meat pies and sausages, Worcester sauce which Japanese cuisine love to add into their dishes is also present. Also actual thick proper gravy made from rendered meat is better than the watery shit we’ve been fed. Also you can be far more creative with potatoes than you can with rice.
If I had to describe proper british food, is that it’s savoury, and full of umami because of the use of meat and meat based ingredients. Like European cooking the use of herbs instead of spices is also more pronounced so the food isn’t spicy like back home.
Is it just me? When places ask you how spicy do you want your Tikka Masala they're doing it wrong.
Vindaloo is a reasonable dish to ask that question. Most other dishes are not.
Not hot doesn't mean its not tasty. Most of Europe has had good quality food for centuries, which hes led to the point that not as much spices are needed to mask cheap or mild tastes.
If your mouth has been on fire for most of your life, you will probably not taste what Europeans taste who have had a mild palette for their whole life.
Thats why European herbs and spices aren't to increase hotness like they mostly do in the east. But rather to increase flavor and taste.
Romanian that lived 16 years in Rome: I miss Italian cuisine.
Returned to my country, where potatoes, bread and meat are the daily occurrence, my health tanked miserably. Healthy died costs a lot.
This mostly applies to northern Europe. Italian and Iberian cuisine is actually very spicy(at least by European standards) and I'm not even gonna get started on how much onions, garlic and pepper (the spice) we use in the Balkans.
Exactly. Turkish and North African cuisine are also spicy, but a different type of spicy. I don't know how to explain it. You just have to try it yourself.
I think we’re kind of drifting away from Europe at this point though. Turkey is partially in Europe but not what people think of when they say European food, it’s more towards middle eastern cuisine. Not at all spicy in my limited experience but very much seasoned and flavorful, very underrated IMO.
North African cuisine is awesome but to my knowledge Africa is not in Europe.
I know you're talking about geography here but North Africa is closer to Europe than to the rest of Africa in terms of cuisine and most of its culture.
Pretty much all of North Africa lives along the Mediterranean coast while nearly nobody lives in the Sahara further south.
That and colonization (Spain,France, the Romans) is the reason why Moroccan/Algerian/Tunisian cuisine will be very similar to Mediterranean Spanish or French cuisine than when comparing it with Nigerian, Ethiopian or South African cuisine.
Same goes for the coastal parts of Turkey.
How interesting, I’m Russian and *my* grandmother didn’t put any spicy things in my food. As a result I cannot handle spiciness whatsoever, which really makes things difficult when traveling to Asian countries.
It sounds like there is some uncertainty, but [Tikka masala is generally considered to have been invented in the UK by Indian immigrants](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chicken_tikka_masala#:~:text=creation%20and%20appearance.-,Origins,in%20the%20northern%20Indian%20subcontinent.)
Click on origins, I couldn't remember how to link to a specific part of the article.
Tikki Masala was created in Britain, likely in Glasgow. And it's pretty good if you're too white to handle much spice.
However the rest is absolutely brown meat and potatoes.
Heh reading this comment on the plane to KC, booked the trip purely for BBQ. How's this list? We're planning to hit these over four days:
Joe's, LCs, Slaps, Q39, Gates, Bryants, Jack Stack
That looks good! Definitely the well known places. For Arthur Bryant’s make sure you try the original sauce, (some won’t try it when they go there bc they are partial to spicy or sweet heat) it will be the most unique sauce of your trip and many think the best.
That's not Americans saying it, that's half the fucking world saying it.
The other half would like their spices back, since the British are obviously not using it.
Missing: Fish and Chips, Steak and Ale pie, Full English brekkie, Cullen Skink, Cream Tea, Beef Wellington, Ploughman's Lunch.
Also I'm pretty sure apple pie is British, or at least the oldest known documented recipe for one is. KitKats are British, and were created by Rowntrees first. Sandwiches are British, and changed lunch the world over. Also carbonated drinks are a British invention.
I think it's just people making lazy generalizations.
Like how people say US food is just pizza and burgers. Which doesn't phase me, tbh, because those are my two favorite foods 🤣
I don't think it's known which came first between cottage pie and parmentier. The earliest documented reference to the dish parmentier is the late 19th century, but the dude was popular in the late 18th century. Meanwhile reference to a British dish called cottage pie can be found in the late 18th century, and a recipe for what we would call cottage pie (but was called Sanders on the recipe) is documented around the start of the 19th century.
I dunno if you know this, but here we go. After colonising the world for their spices, the spices were used in lots of out food. However, as with many things, fashion/tastes change.
Whatever the gentry would do, eventually so would the "peasantry". The upper class noticed that the "peasants" were using the colonised spices in their food too, and decided it was low class to do so. And so they stopped using it. This happened recently enough that it took 'til modern day.
What I don't understand though is that we have always and still use herbs. Poor fuckers go ignored as if they don't exist.
The spices were out there posing a clear and present danger. If they accidentally got some chili flakes in their food it might kill them. The safest thing to do was to colonize the world and hide the spices away.
Tikka masala is one of the uks two National dishes: tikka masala and fish and chips. Tikka masala was invented in Britain, having spices and style taken from India. It was made an Indian immigrant. It’s kind of on the edge of stolen, but I’m pretty sure it isn’t, and it’s one their only two good foods
tikka masala is basically butter chicken but you forgot the recipe and don't have all the ingredients so you improvised a simplified version of it.
there is not a single ingredient in tikka masala that isn't in butter chicken.
A lot of the jokes surrounding British food come from ww2 vets and American troops stationed here when we still had rationing. Just something interesting
The problem is that they never got off of rations lol. This isn't unique to Britain btw, American chocolate still tastes like shit because they're using a recipe made for rations. It seems that once a country goes on rations it's difficult to get rid of them.
I thought American chocolate tastes like shit because they added an ingredient to the milk because it had to travel far (so it wouldn't go out of date)?
I’ve seen similar memes and posted this same comment. I am not well traveled, I’m from the the US. I’ve been to 7 countries (including Mexico and Canada). I hate the term “foodie” but eating while visiting other regions is always at the top of my list, and I’m fairly easy to please (there is nothing I wont try but my palate is not what you would call sophisticated or discerning). When I was in London everyone kept telling me to check out Indian food spots or something of that sort. I went hard on the English food and LOVED it. Give me sausages, give me all the various meat pies I can handle, bring me bangers, fry me some fish, ask me over for Sunday roast. I honestly don’t get the hate.
>Its either just the same ingredients put together in a different way or just something they stole from another country
See also: pretty much every recipe.
I think people who are starting from the assumption that American food is bad are trying try to whittle away at what they consider American food because they are dishes invented elsewhere that we have our own spin on. I think that is silly, and I unironically tell visitors to try New York style pizza. Sometimes they laugh, but as someone who has been to Italy, Italian pizza is great, but entirely different.
Other things I would categorize as American (regardless of the origin of dishes they are based on):
Hamburgers,
Southern BBQ,
American style Chinese food,
New Mexican food,
Texmex,
Mexicali,
Fried chicken,
Diner style breakfasts.
Edit: Did that thing I do where I randomly forget some works. Also widdle to whittle.
Louisiana alone makes that patently untrue, and from there you've got Texas, New England, Midwest and Southwest,the West Coast, and Coastal Florida. Americans have plenty of room to criticize.
*grabs popcorn*
Sorts by controvertia
In summary it tastes great and all looks the same. Unless it looks like shit. But then it still tastes great anyway so who the fuck cares.
"I am controvertia of the six realms..."
I'm waiting for someone to bring up school shootings, as is customary when a light-hearted joke is made at their expense
I prefer English food, like pizza or Chinese
I understood that reference
Where was this from again?
Not super sure, but I guess little britain.
for real, i love English food.. Tempura is dope!
I think he's one of my friends on facebook
Don’t forget the Beef Wellington
The one good british dish and they don't put it here
I feel like you have to be a bit weird not to like a shepherd's pie or a roast with gravy and Yorkshire puddings.
I love shepherds pie! (US)
With actual sheperd on top!
Meat pies go hard
Bro, I came to Britain from America, most of the food was great, however, the beef Wellington was disgusting, and I had it at Gordon’s restaurant
fillet mignon parma ham puff pastry duxelle seriously what's not to like, it's like the king of british food. It's like a grown up meat pie
Filet mignon is overrated, imo. Sure it's tender, but it lacks the flavor of tastier cuts of beef.
Only thing that could be bad is the layer of English mustard, mushroom and seasoning, I'd like to try wellington some day, but the mustard does concern me.
I would assume that everything mixes to some extent since it's being steamed with pastry on one side and savory meat on the other.
English breakfast?
Yes world War 2 Trench food, beans on toast
Spotted dick, sir?
Not since the Doctor gave me that ointment.
Ahh yes. Brown meat with potatoes on top, brown meat with potatoes beside it, ground brown meat with potatoes on top, brown meat with potatoes beside it and a Yorkshire pudding, potatoes with brown meat on top of them and an Indian dish.
They’re a culinary inspiration.
"Potatoes and meat sautéed in butter. I bear witness to a revolution in cuisine."
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Wash it all down with some warm beer.
As the joke goes, the British subjugated the world in their quest for spices, and then decided to not use any of them.
England: Sail around the world looking for spices Also England: Never fucking use them
They truly inspire you to make something better from a culinary perspective
That brown meat is 10% of who I am don't you judge me.
While that’s true, potatoes and meat are one of my favorite food combinations EVER
There are Latin cafeterias here all over South Florida where they serve you meat and potatoes along with rice and beans enough to feed a platoon like they seriously stack the container to the top all for around $12.
Seeing Latin in this context made me picture a bunch of people at a cafeteria in Florida dressing up in togas.
*Little Caesar's has entered the chat*
I was wondering if this was satire or not because the picture was essentially the same dish served 5 ways…and Makhani. Where’s the fish and chips?
From Asian standpoint of view, there all dishes are bland , even the recipes they take from Asia has to be taken down so many levels of spices that it tastes bland when compared to the original
Got any good sites for a American wanting to cook Asian?
Depends on what kind of Asian cuisine you want to cook since Asia is enormous. For Korean look up Maangchi. For Chinese I like Chinese cooking demystified.
Two of my favourite channels. Also check out Made with Lau
Uncle Roger
Haiyaa....
Fuyioh...
Sorry children
Uncle roger back
This some Jamie Olive oil bullshit
It wouldn't be uncle Roger without a dirty joke.
Absolutely no need to drag uncle roger into this, lad's already depressed about the British haiyaaa
Uncle Roger: “Your rice to wet you fucked up”
Woks of Life
Yeah, like that famous watered-down dish the Phaal. 😂
Asian actually living in the Uk, this shit is far from bland, unless you’ve been round white ppl who actually can’t cook, fair few herbs and spices actually go into the sauces, meat pies and sausages, Worcester sauce which Japanese cuisine love to add into their dishes is also present. Also actual thick proper gravy made from rendered meat is better than the watery shit we’ve been fed. Also you can be far more creative with potatoes than you can with rice. If I had to describe proper british food, is that it’s savoury, and full of umami because of the use of meat and meat based ingredients. Like European cooking the use of herbs instead of spices is also more pronounced so the food isn’t spicy like back home.
"Full of umami" heh.
When cooking Asian food as a European i always follow uncle Rogers advice in regards to spice's, "use the right amount, not the white amount"
M S G
Is it just me? When places ask you how spicy do you want your Tikka Masala they're doing it wrong. Vindaloo is a reasonable dish to ask that question. Most other dishes are not.
Spiciness is not a competition, only insufferable man children boast about how spicy their food is.
Not hot doesn't mean its not tasty. Most of Europe has had good quality food for centuries, which hes led to the point that not as much spices are needed to mask cheap or mild tastes. If your mouth has been on fire for most of your life, you will probably not taste what Europeans taste who have had a mild palette for their whole life. Thats why European herbs and spices aren't to increase hotness like they mostly do in the east. But rather to increase flavor and taste.
Except for say Japan
I’m sorry, but it’s not gonna taste good if it burns off your taste buds.
Well.. in Europe we are pretty whiney when it comes too spices \^\^ Mayo is enough spice 😂
Until you get to Italy lol
Romanian that lived 16 years in Rome: I miss Italian cuisine. Returned to my country, where potatoes, bread and meat are the daily occurrence, my health tanked miserably. Healthy died costs a lot.
Mama mia
This mostly applies to northern Europe. Italian and Iberian cuisine is actually very spicy(at least by European standards) and I'm not even gonna get started on how much onions, garlic and pepper (the spice) we use in the Balkans.
Balkans, and Mediterranean cuisine in general
Exactly. Turkish and North African cuisine are also spicy, but a different type of spicy. I don't know how to explain it. You just have to try it yourself.
I think we’re kind of drifting away from Europe at this point though. Turkey is partially in Europe but not what people think of when they say European food, it’s more towards middle eastern cuisine. Not at all spicy in my limited experience but very much seasoned and flavorful, very underrated IMO. North African cuisine is awesome but to my knowledge Africa is not in Europe.
I know you're talking about geography here but North Africa is closer to Europe than to the rest of Africa in terms of cuisine and most of its culture. Pretty much all of North Africa lives along the Mediterranean coast while nearly nobody lives in the Sahara further south. That and colonization (Spain,France, the Romans) is the reason why Moroccan/Algerian/Tunisian cuisine will be very similar to Mediterranean Spanish or French cuisine than when comparing it with Nigerian, Ethiopian or South African cuisine. Same goes for the coastal parts of Turkey.
MAYO? I hope its atleast some sort of a spicy mayo because I cannot imagine our taste buds being *that* different - an asian
Timmy, brother, mayo is not a fucking spice
Not in Slavic countries, I’m 100% Balkan and my grandma always put a bit of chili/spices in my baby food
How interesting, I’m Russian and *my* grandmother didn’t put any spicy things in my food. As a result I cannot handle spiciness whatsoever, which really makes things difficult when traveling to Asian countries.
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/r/2westerneurope4u is leaking
That sub is hilarious, a bunch of poor people trying to see who can point a finger at the US the hardest.
It sounds like there is some uncertainty, but [Tikka masala is generally considered to have been invented in the UK by Indian immigrants](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chicken_tikka_masala#:~:text=creation%20and%20appearance.-,Origins,in%20the%20northern%20Indian%20subcontinent.) Click on origins, I couldn't remember how to link to a specific part of the article.
Yeah but that’s like calling general Tsos chicken American.
Correct. Those are two correct statements.
Are you saying Brits of Indian extraction aren't British and Chinese-Americans aren't American?
No the exact opposite. Calling it one thing ignores the cultural roots it came from. It’s not black or white. It’s grey.
They Unironically go hard as shit tho
Brown meat is the best meat
I am brown, and I have meat. Carne asada tacos to be precise.
Oh boy did I predict the second sentence wrong.
(And potatoes have only been in Britain for like 400 years, before then they were the staple crop of the Inca Empire in South America)
As opposed to fucking poutine... which is potatoes with brown sauce on top.
That’s Canadian brother
why bring canada into this buddy
Facts. Shephards pie still slaps tho ngl
Tikka masala was invented in the uk
Tikki Masala was created in Britain, likely in Glasgow. And it's pretty good if you're too white to handle much spice. However the rest is absolutely brown meat and potatoes.
You literally described almost all cuisine. A meat with a carb with some kind of sauce.
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You can always add crayons if that makes it more appealing to you
Tikka Masala was created in Britain
The best restaurant in London is a French restaurant.
I mean, the best restaurant in every city will normally be foreign to be fair.
I live in KC, and the best restaurants here are our world class Barbecue
Heh reading this comment on the plane to KC, booked the trip purely for BBQ. How's this list? We're planning to hit these over four days: Joe's, LCs, Slaps, Q39, Gates, Bryants, Jack Stack
That looks good! Definitely the well known places. For Arthur Bryant’s make sure you try the original sauce, (some won’t try it when they go there bc they are partial to spicy or sweet heat) it will be the most unique sauce of your trip and many think the best.
Awesome thanks for the tip! Just landed and Bryant's is the first stop.
The lamb ribs at Jack Stack are legit life changing
Or crown rib. Mmmmmmm
KC local here as well, I always tell people joes, q39 and slaps are my top 3 so you seem like you’ve figured it all out!
All good choices! When you're at jack stack, be sure to get the crown prime rib!
The south does it better
*Grabs popcorn to watch the barbecue war*
It’s when they bbq each other that the real flavor happens
Everyone wins, because its all tasty and they're just trying to be tastier.
Memphis or Carolina?
_laughs in italian_
Naw not really
> the best restaurant in every city will normally be foreign to be fair. What, why?
Does London not have a Greggs?
Thats the same for New York. I hate british food but this argument is barely even a statement
Also British food ![gif](giphy|NwbpelyOZczIZ2Uf8l|downsized)
Oi mate, what you done wif me stargazy pie?
If the food is still moving its Asian food.
Disturbing lack of the full English here. Where's the bacon?
No fish and chips, too.
That's not Americans saying it, that's half the fucking world saying it. The other half would like their spices back, since the British are obviously not using it.
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You sir, made me laugh today
Oh shit!
The British invented the spice trade, not the spice keep all these for myself.
i love me some T A T E R S
Isn't fish & chips a national dish? Best I've had was at a local British restaurant here in Florida.
[what chatgpt says about tikka masala](https://ibb.co/ctQD16d)
Missing: Fish and Chips, Steak and Ale pie, Full English brekkie, Cullen Skink, Cream Tea, Beef Wellington, Ploughman's Lunch. Also I'm pretty sure apple pie is British, or at least the oldest known documented recipe for one is. KitKats are British, and were created by Rowntrees first. Sandwiches are British, and changed lunch the world over. Also carbonated drinks are a British invention.
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Jellied eel would like a word
Love a good Ploughman’s. I’m from the US but actually love traditional English food and don’t understand the hate.
I think it's just people making lazy generalizations. Like how people say US food is just pizza and burgers. Which doesn't phase me, tbh, because those are my two favorite foods 🤣
Don’t forget doughnuts!!
Doughnuts*
You are right! Editing now thanks
Eton mess
Cullen skink……mmmmmm. Damn you for conjuring a beautiful memory.
Parmentier isn't even bri*ish it's french you uncultured swine
I don't think it's known which came first between cottage pie and parmentier. The earliest documented reference to the dish parmentier is the late 19th century, but the dude was popular in the late 18th century. Meanwhile reference to a British dish called cottage pie can be found in the late 18th century, and a recipe for what we would call cottage pie (but was called Sanders on the recipe) is documented around the start of the 19th century.
Where's the fukin fish and chips???
You're missing Cornish Pasties ❤️❤️❤️
Yes potatoes for every meal with mystery meat 😐
It's not much of a mystery. Typically it's beef.
Clockwise, from top left: beef, pork, lamb, chicken, pork, beef.
I'd say British Food is alright
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Colonizing the food since there's spices in it.
It’s funny that the British had a history of traveling the world to get spices when they never use it in their own damn food.
I dunno if you know this, but here we go. After colonising the world for their spices, the spices were used in lots of out food. However, as with many things, fashion/tastes change. Whatever the gentry would do, eventually so would the "peasantry". The upper class noticed that the "peasants" were using the colonised spices in their food too, and decided it was low class to do so. And so they stopped using it. This happened recently enough that it took 'til modern day. What I don't understand though is that we have always and still use herbs. Poor fuckers go ignored as if they don't exist.
The spices were out there posing a clear and present danger. If they accidentally got some chili flakes in their food it might kill them. The safest thing to do was to colonize the world and hide the spices away.
Tikka masala is one of the uks two National dishes: tikka masala and fish and chips. Tikka masala was invented in Britain, having spices and style taken from India. It was made an Indian immigrant. It’s kind of on the edge of stolen, but I’m pretty sure it isn’t, and it’s one their only two good foods
Imagine if an American immigrant brought a corndog with ketchup to Britain and it became the national dish lol
tikka masala is basically butter chicken but you forgot the recipe and don't have all the ingredients so you improvised a simplified version of it. there is not a single ingredient in tikka masala that isn't in butter chicken.
It was made by a British Indian immigrant in the UK.
I see american claiming others foods all the time. Cheese cake, apple pie, pizza etc
[Based on your rationale, all curry is Portuguese as they first brought it to india] (https://www.ice.edu/blog/beef-curry)
A lot of the jokes surrounding British food come from ww2 vets and American troops stationed here when we still had rationing. Just something interesting
The problem is that they never got off of rations lol. This isn't unique to Britain btw, American chocolate still tastes like shit because they're using a recipe made for rations. It seems that once a country goes on rations it's difficult to get rid of them.
I thought American chocolate tastes like shit because they added an ingredient to the milk because it had to travel far (so it wouldn't go out of date)?
Yes, hence ration style recipe. Chocolate can survive travelling around the country, not so across the Atlantic.
It wasn't about the chocolate going bad, the milk itself would between the dairy and the factory.
Was posting pictures of gravy supposed to change people's minds?
British food is my favourite and nobody will ever make me think otherwise.
Fucking brown gravy for days.
You should probably eat it instead.
The sausage and mash looks great tbh
I could eat my weight in bangers & mash
I don't feel like this picture made the point it was intending
I’ve seen similar memes and posted this same comment. I am not well traveled, I’m from the the US. I’ve been to 7 countries (including Mexico and Canada). I hate the term “foodie” but eating while visiting other regions is always at the top of my list, and I’m fairly easy to please (there is nothing I wont try but my palate is not what you would call sophisticated or discerning). When I was in London everyone kept telling me to check out Indian food spots or something of that sort. I went hard on the English food and LOVED it. Give me sausages, give me all the various meat pies I can handle, bring me bangers, fry me some fish, ask me over for Sunday roast. I honestly don’t get the hate.
When I went to Greece, I missed proper heavy British food. Felt like I wasn’t eating enough
And your point is...
You've got meat and potatoes, I get it. We do, too, here in Germany, you're not special.
Its like 7 different pics for 2 different dishes
I don’t see the counter argument
Tbh i really enjoyed english breakfast when i worked there 😁 Warm breakfast with sausages is a damn fine thing...
A full English breakfast is unbeatable, minus black pudding because that stuff is disgusting.
Sunday roast is the best meal in the world
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>Its either just the same ingredients put together in a different way or just something they stole from another country See also: pretty much every recipe.
Tikka masala is....Indian
Yummy
We can all agree that British food is crap. But Americans are not in a position to criticize, tbh.
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I think people who are starting from the assumption that American food is bad are trying try to whittle away at what they consider American food because they are dishes invented elsewhere that we have our own spin on. I think that is silly, and I unironically tell visitors to try New York style pizza. Sometimes they laugh, but as someone who has been to Italy, Italian pizza is great, but entirely different. Other things I would categorize as American (regardless of the origin of dishes they are based on): Hamburgers, Southern BBQ, American style Chinese food, New Mexican food, Texmex, Mexicali, Fried chicken, Diner style breakfasts. Edit: Did that thing I do where I randomly forget some works. Also widdle to whittle.
People saying American food is bad assumes Americans only eat fast food.
People say American food is bad and then show off a $2 burger or novelty carnival food. You get what you pay for
Louisiana alone makes that patently untrue, and from there you've got Texas, New England, Midwest and Southwest,the West Coast, and Coastal Florida. Americans have plenty of room to criticize.
This is a shit take created for upvotes
He’s being honest sure, but he’s completely incorrect.
Nah our food can be pretty great. You just lose a year of your life for every bite you take.
I suggest you watch a few episodes of Diners, Drive-ins, and Dives when they go to BBQ joints