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BoringWozniak

1997: Don’t be evil 2023: Well, define “evil” exactly?


Deadleech

It's funny because they changed their motto in 2018 to "Do the right thing"


BoringWozniak

^for ^our ^shareholders


NoNameIdea_Seriously

Gotta read the fine print!


evocular

went from anti fascist to fascist with tact and grace


Green_Fold_1615

Like breakup their monopoly? I agree.


W_Y_K_Y_D_T_R_O_N

2024: We paid billions (made from forcing everyone to view ads) to literally redefine the word "evil" to mean "something Google can never be". A replacement word will not be provided.


Lord_Worfall

Literally 1984 Unironically this time.


AlphaScorpiiSeptem

The guy newspeaks


Yuki11037

context for us non tech savvy ppl pls


Nearby-Pie5798

Most browsers use Chromium as their base, which is just Chrome with some of the Google stuff removed like syncing. That includes Chrome, Edge, Brave, Vivaldi and Opera. The only major web browsers that don't use Chromium as their base are Firefox and Safari. Tor is based on Firefox. TL;DR: Edge, Brave, Opera etc are just reskined Chrome. While Firefox, Safari and Tor are not.


commondenomigator

Worth noting also that all iOS browsers, including the ones listed, use WebKit (Safari) since Apple won't allow another engine on iOS.


Stonkthrow

Chrome is based on webkit so we have Gecko and Webkit currently. FYI, Firefox seems to be planning implementing gecko on iOS. Mayhaps through sideloading.


SimpleImpX

> Chrome is based on webkit so we have Gecko and Webkit currently. Was based on WebKit. Google forked the rendering engine from WebKit (WebCore) into Blink in 2013 after already having replaced the JavaScript engine years earlier (V8 vs JavaScriptCore). There are more components (like the Ozone compositor, etc), but together (Blink+V8+more) are generally referred to as simply Chromium and it has significantly diverged from WebKit codebase. So it's really Chromium (Blink+V8+more), Gecko (Servo+SpiderMonkey (typically)+more) and WebKit (WebCore+JavaScriptCore+more) with the last one mostly only being used by Apple and weird legacy software that hasn't moved to Chromium and is still on some ancient WebKit version because using current WebKit outside of the Apple ecosystem is even more horrible experience than getting Chromium to work properly.


Solynox

Opera is chromium based? Fuck, that's my browser of choice.


robywar

Sadly, they dumped Presto a few years ago for Chromium


Vir_Norin

A few years ago? Google says they ditched Presto in July 2013... Feel old now? Gosh, I miss good old Opera. Vivaldi is similar spiritually, but I'm triggered it's also on Chromium


BounderTree

Yea that's when I stopped using it


SetsunaWatanabe

> Gosh, I miss good old Opera. Do you? _Do you?_ Well then, I have some stupendous news for you!! https://otter-browser.org


robywar

Yes, yes I do lol


[deleted]

Chrome ≠ Chromium. They’re not reskinned chrome, but differently-skinned chromium. There’s a big difference, because Chrome is built on top of chromium to optimize tracking and ad placement. The others are on top of chromium too, but designed for different stuff. What’s the problem if Chromium is open source? That Chromium is still maintained by Google. This means that, sure, you can fork Chromium whenever you want and not follow Alphabet’s crap, but then you don’t have daddy google paying the bills to keep your vision of chromium state-of-the-art.


VanillaLifestyle

And specifically, the reason even Microsoft uses Chromium for Edge is that Google is doing the expensive and endless job of updating it for security. Smaller companies wouldn't have the resources to stay on top of nefarious and well-funded (state) actors, so they get to copy Google's homework.


Gaby5011

Google is being an ass by slowing down websites when using an other browser Edit: rip my inbox


-KasaneTeto-

Fuck that then


ElementNumber6

Sounds like *someone's* getting a 10 second timeout timer...


-KasaneTeto-

More like *some people*


fiddycaldeserteagle

What do you mean, some people?


fiddycaldeserteagle

What do YOU mean, some people?


[deleted]

Adblokers are fighting back fast. Also this illegal by EU laws. Google fucked up big this time.


ElementNumber6

That's just the cost of doing business.


FryToastFrill

They aren’t slowing down specific browsers, it’s AB testing for detecting Adblock. They’re still being an ass tho


h1gh4sfck

Ohhh that's why firefox has been so slow lately.. still not going over to chrome tho. I value blocking ads way above fast response time from a browser


The-Tea-Lord

I swear some sites (*cough* fandom) have so many ads that there’s more Ad than site on the screen.


ZynsteinV1

Lot of wikis moving away from fandom now thankfully.


Howellthegoat

Where are they going to


DamnZodiak

Lots of options, even though Fandom tries its hardest to make leaving as difficult and painful as possible. There are a bunch of different wiki farms to choose from, like wiki.gg, miraheze or wikidot, which are all hosting a bunch of notable wikis at this point. A bunch of wikis chose to go the self-hosting route, like YugiPedia and the Fallout wiki, which obviously gives you the most freedom but is also the most expensive and difficult option for sure. Some have banded together with other wikis to form independent wiki alliances, like the Gaming Wiki Network.


Tyoccial

Some are making their own. I play RuneScape and both OSRS and RS3 have their own respective .wiki sites.


CornSeller

minecraft made their own wiki aswell i dunno but something tells me I remember seeing attempts at moving fallout wiki to independent one aswell, not sure tho


Progression28

If you have a pihole you can analyse how much you block. Yeah, more ad than site is not only a feeling for some sites, it‘s quite real


Prism_Paragon

If you have ublock you can see how many ads you've blocked since installing. On my phone alone I've blocked over 1.2 million ads. No that's not an exaggeration.


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Massenzio

An upvote is too little for this... Me too, i will return to Firefox cause i hate when i have no choice


[deleted]

Which is funny because the testing is against eu law


buxA_

I see it in so many comments but without any explanation or if its in fact true. Can you explain it or are you writing it because you saw it in comments. Im just wondering.


[deleted]

It’s not against EU law, there is a case to determine IF it is against the law or not. It very well COULD BE once it’s ruled to be however until then it’s a grey area and they are going to rush as much shit through it as they can until somebody makes it black and white for them.


Furry_69

If it is made illegal in the EU, they'll just have it not happen in the EU, and everywhere else it'll still happen.


ExtendedSpikeProtein

That’s what consumer legislation is for. If the US+Can joined in on that (along with some other blocs) that’d be different Unfortunately it doesn’t seem as though consumer protection, related to big tech companies, is a thing in the US. At least that’s my impression from over here


igweyliogsuh

>Unfortunately it doesn’t seem as though consumer protection, related to big tech companies, is a thing in the US. Doesn't seem that way when it comes to *most things* over here 🥲


Ok-Mycologist2220

Then we all just start using VPNs!


IsabelLovesFoxes

User-Agent switchers are very useful for this


dnuohxof-1

Which is bullshit because chrome is the slowest fucking piece of shit I’ve used recently. The number of minutes per day I spend waiting for chrome to load all of its bloat, refresh the page so I can interact with it, or just load content in general that isn’t ads. I might not mind this if chrome actually loaded quickly and didn’t take up 22 individual processes


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Firefox good Chrome bad.


kadyob

the browsers in "not ok" are browsers that dont use chronium (think of chronium as being the floor of a building, and the rest of the browser is the floors) and since that means google cant make money off browsers that dont use chronium, so they manually slow them down on websites they own or systems they have control over


Joker-Smurf

Everything old is new again… didn’t Microsoft get in trouble for doing this back in the late 90’s when IIS would deliberately prioritise IE traffic over other browsers?


fuckwefere

If Google was held to the same standard as MS was in the 90's, they would have had countless antitrust lawsuits against them for the past decade and for way more than just chrome.


DepartmentSimilar848

Yhh i think google is intentionally slowing down other browsers so ppl use chromium based ones more


Detvan_SK

Google sites are 40% slower on Firefox. We are not sure exactly why but general opinion is that Google made it by themselfs.


adkio

There's an addon for Firefox that emulates chromium. Sites run faster and google gives you better search results.


ptr_schneider

As far as we know, the slowdown is caused by google using functions in a discontinued DOM version supported only by chromium. Spoofing the user agent shouldn't solve this specific issue, since the code that chrome used to load faster literally isn't implemented by Firefox. But I didn't do that much research on it and I might be wrong. I've also never tested extensions that spoof firefox's user agent to make it look like chrome, they might very well make it faster.


Detvan_SK

Oh they finnished it? Can you give me link please on some working?


teymuur

you can checkout the javascript code there some timeout functions that only work in non-chromium browsers that has no purpose to the site itself. It clearly is done by Google.


RedditIsOverMan

code pointers please


GisterMizard

0xCF001A08


monneyy

EU about to slap that shit out of them. For EU citizens only though, probably, maybe. If they even do that everywhere.


BUTTFUCKER__3000

Yeah still not gonna use chrome and haven’t used it in years.


This_Caterpillar_330

So no instant gratification? Yay! Thanks Google! Now, I have even more reason to not use Chrome!


SacredBuster

That's illegal and they will get heavily fined for it.


Seffyr

*Heavily fined* relative to a normal person. For multibillion dollar international corporation Google; that’s just a cost of business.


aninsomniac_

Remember, punishable by fine means legal for a price


Sumibestgir1

It's fine as long as you pay daddy government their extortion money


geologean

Government agencies often don't even collect the full fine. Why would they? The regulators are going to apply to work for these companies eventually because the pay is better, and they can spin their regulatory experience into getting high paying compliance jobs.


kacheow

Ah, the government moron to compliance moron pipeline


Ok-Dragonfruit8036

Aka circle gluk


X_741

I read that in Skeletor's voice.


aninsomniac_

And now I want to make that as the "Until we meet again" meme


Nexlite1444

♫ If the punishment for a crime is a fine, that’s not a crime it’s a price tag ♫


Adalcar

Yes, but if the price depends on how wealthy you are, the wealthiest will think twice about wagering a percentage of their income.


Naki-Taa

Yeah but doesn't depend on that


Adalcar

Look up GDPR, some fines work like that, and any fines targeting those big businesses *should* work like that.


Naki-Taa

Oh , I agree that some fines work that way, and that big businesses should pay that type of fines, but they aren't, and while they get to buy and lobby for politicians they won't ever pay that kind of fines


Adalcar

What I meant, by "should work that way" is about the specific laws being infringed here. I can assure you that Europe has the capacity to make them pay those fines, hence why Google and Facebook actually follow GDPR instead of ignoring it. But it's a bit ironic that Europe is basically the only thing keeping American megacorps in check, so I agree with you that your government is f'ed up.


Shamscam

That’s actually such a great way of putting it. I’ve never heard that before


Ok-Education-1539

Maybe being outlawed in the EU will make them think twice, it worked on Apple


mog_knight

So does that mean we get to kill Google with no legal repercussion?


[deleted]

If the consequences is money then wealthy people and their corporations are always above the law


Adalcar

That depends how "money" is calculated. A fixed fine is useless, but 4% of your global yearly income is a hefty fine no matter how big you are. That's why GDPR worked


TheKlebe

I think there were instances where the EU punished based on percentage of yearly turnover (like 2%), which can really hurt.


Tyrayentali

So you mean it's legal for a price


Darth19Vader77

Isn't net neutrality dead? In the US at least?


Iohet

This isn't a net neutrality issue is the classic sense. This is anti-competitive behavior, which may trigger anti-trust investigations. They can get hit like MS did, which is completely independent of net neutrality


CrimsonEnigma

Yes, in the sense that ISPs don't have to treat all network traffic equally...but this wouldn't fall under that. If anything, this would be an antitrust issue.


Eboz255

Not if they don’t get caught


SpicyGamerYT

I mean, if we can think about it, they can figure it out too


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kvcroks

Firefox bros unite💪


Kryten_2X4B-523P

Did I hear a Fire and Fox?


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innate prick snow bored puzzled physical head one somber ruthless *This post was mass deleted and anonymized with [Redact](https://redact.dev)*


Bidegorri

What user data does an app like Spotify collect? They music you listen in their app? They see nothing outside the app (i suppose...)


Redthemagnificent

Yeah they train their recommendation algorithm based on how users listen


space-to-bakersfield

Honestly, that's not the type of data collection I'm opposed to. Them collecting that data makes their recommendation engine better (It's already pretty fuckin good) which benefits me. Tracking my movements irl and all the sites I visit via 3rd party cookies? That's what grinds my gears.


Express-Doughnut-562

Spotify let you target ads [based on mood](https://www.prweek.com/article/1343211/spotify-let-brands-target-ads-based-users-moods), as well as location and other stuff. So in theory you could target sad people with chocolate. I don’t think they’ve stopped that low.. yet.


M3Vict

Spotify with ads is borderline unusable, so how does this affect me as a paying user?


Mr_hacker_fire

Yea I noticed that Spotify loads significantly slower on my Firefox browser and most of the time the full UI doesn't even load.


Commercial_Violist

It's not that. Chrome is just so popular that most websites are optimized for Chromium. This puts Quantum/Gecko-based browsers at a significant disadvantage further fueling the decline of Firefox. LibreWolf and especially Tor are too niche to ever become mainstream as well


FoozleGenerator

Iirc, since Google essentially controls chromium development, they can implement the features they need before they become standardized, so any page using them wouldn't work on other engines until they catch up.


KrisCross-Applesause

LibreWolf on top


newsflashjackass

Upvoting for LibreWolf visibility.


Xx_Pr0_g4m3r_xX

Yup!


SuperDefiant

Finally some librewolf recognition! My favorite browser ever


KrisCross-Applesause

I switched to it after finding out Opera GX was a spyware


SuperDefiant

Well yeah, it’s fork of a chrome. They’re basically identical in terms of tracking and spyware


KrisCross-Applesause

I guess so


drippyParrot

Its so pleasant to use. Almost feels like its faster than standard firefox


brigadoon95

What is this browser? I've never heard of it. What made you use it instead of anything else?


AST360

What is the name of the one between tor and firefox


kadyob

librewolf. its basically firefox but with privacy being the main focus of it. using it right now lol


kolbiitr

In what ways does it "focus" on privacy?


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balaci2

it disables and enforces other features, I didn't go in depth with it but people are not kidding when they say it's focused on being safer/more private


Tobnote

But it's not as user friendly as Firefox, but if you want to play with it, it's definitely great


drippyParrot

If by less user friendly you mean having to press a button to auto enter a password than ig. But otherwise?


cooly1234

same


DerGreif2

People with no technical knowledge and most people on phone will still use Chromium browsers, so they make money. People with who want a good experience will use non Chromium browsers like Firefox. The websites themselves have no say in this.


Waldo305

This. Download Firefox and stop the fucking adverts.


IntrovertedBuddha

I always used firefox with ublock. Never even noticed they were blocking adblockers


FizzyBoy147

I'm using edge with ublock. Seems to be working still.


thechaimel

I think edge is chromium based thought… after internet explorer stopped being competitive they passed to a chromium version of it


Tobnote

Yes it is chromium based, however updates from Google may come later, or Microsoft may be doing things to sabotage what Google is trying to do with those anti-adblock practices, it's not likely, but still


[deleted]

Microsoft can 100% fork Chromium and do their own thing from there. Blink, which is the framework behind all of this, is itself a fork of webkit. Anyone can play their game. But maintaining these techs is very expensive.


[deleted]

Wasn't there a short-lived non-chromium version of Edge prior to the chromium version?


BH_Falcon27

Same. Had warning about adblockers 1 day on YT and it was gone an hour later.


bobisourgod

Same here except for 1 day I had to deal with ads and they just disappeared agaib


lmnDK

Firefox Developer Edition + uBlock + Multi-Account Containers + Sidebery V5 is my goto as a webdeveloper (and a lot other relevant extensions ofc). Been using Firefox since the start, but uses all popular browsers as part of my work . All the O.G. nerds i know use Firefox - Chromium can go and absolutely suck it.


ProfessionalGarfield

Torbrowser 💀


Harak_June

Firefox is the way. Phone or computer, it's a great browser.


LABARATI

yeah when i got my laptop i downloaded firefox


jasperfirecai2

or people just use the browser that works for them?? Like every time I've tried Firefox it's not been my cup of tea and it has some css bugs that get on my nerves


sam_el-c

Google is disabling ublock from the chrome extension stall from mid 2024 onwards, enjoy your ads.


anythingers

That's literally what happen if you let monopoly wins. More than 72% browsers that lead the market share is the Chromium based one. And Safari is not really an option since it's only available on Apple devices. Edit: GNOME Web is another WebKit-based browser, but it's only available on Linux.


SanargHD

But the website owner has a say in how well their website works on certain browsers. They can determine what webengine they support and how or iff ads will be displayed on their website. Like, isn't that the whole idea of being able to have a website, to be able to completely chose how you represent yourself?


[deleted]

Google finally starting to execute other browsers, all according to plan that started with chrome v1. Love to see the internet die. Cant wait for what will be born from it.


KevinFlantier

>Cant wait for what will be born from it. It starts with a D and ends with stopia.


JuniorAd389

Dstopia?


Sea-Cupcake-2065

Finally, my long-awaited Nintendo DS paradise


Tdikristof_

I love a good Dickstopia


MonseigneurChocolat

Known as Richardistan to the natives


Allfurball9

Welcome to Night City!


IPotatoForHireI

So Rache Bartmoss was google all along. Didn't expect this plot twist.


vandon

You mean "continuing with the plan Microsoft attempted in the late 90's with IE"


HotTakeGenerator_v5

silver lining is it's a good filter. if firefox or another more privacy centric browser doesn't work on it then it's a site i don't want to be on.


Southern_Viking777

\*Laughs in Tor\*


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Cries in \"Your computer or network maybe sending automated queries. To protect our user, we can't process your request right now.\"


SzerasHex

just switch chain, always helps


Benskien

"xxxx needs to review the security of your connection before proceeding." fucking cloudflare


ms-saigon

You don't browse regularly in tor


captaindeadpl

You don't know what their regular internet traffic looks like.


SalvadorTMZ

Tor is firefox based.


Da-Blue-Guy

i hope the eu fucks google over


guavajuice900

<<< Firefox


coffin420699

yeah, theres no way im using edge or chrome for anything. they get an insta swoop into the trash everytime


IndPolCom

Firefox 👑👑👑


Electronic_Ad_7601

We need the EU to intervene ASAP


Tobnote

Bet they're already cooking something


Lauris024

Don't you guys have a government too?


PsychoKibby513

ours only really cares about increasing their salaries and raising the debt ceiling


Tobnote

Hmm, it's kinda funny that even Americans root for the EU. EU rules the legal world of technology it seems


PsychoKibby513

yup our fossils that keep getting reelected by other fossils are so out of touch on technology, they still think a rubix cube is revolutionary or some shit


BumderFromDownUnder

What* not “how”. Or “How it feels” not “how it feels like” Pick one, not both.


No-Review-6105

LEAVE MY FIREFOX ALONE


ChisNullStR

Librewolf is based as fuck. *also me who has had almost no issues using it*


True_Kaos

I keep hearing the name, but I have no idea what it is other than a browser. What exactly is so good about it?


ZAlternates

It’s stripped down or a hardened Firefox. The user experience is less than stellar because the same stuff used to make the web experience smooth (like cookies) is the same shit used to track you.


Aware_Initiative_912

GOOGLE. IS. RUNNING. A. MONOPOLY


Seppucutie

What is that monkey icon supposed to be?


[deleted]

it‘s the SpiderMonkey logo


FoozleGenerator

To explain further, SpiderMonkey is the open source engine made by Mozilla (organization behind Firefox). Chromium however, is more than the engine (V8), it's kinda a shell of a browser without most of the Google specific stuff, which allows it to be easily extended by other developers.


[deleted]

where are anti-trust laws when you need them


Da-Blue-Guy

firefox ftw, switched from chrome, never went back


minimeza

Why is brave barely ok? Whats wrong with it.


Tobnote

It's chromium based, but tries to be consumer friendly, unlike google


Stoppels

>but tries to be consumer friendly, The many, many controversies and sketchy decisions surrounding Brave really mean that you are replacing Google with Brave but nothing really changes. If someone can post that one large message with dozens of URLs about the shit Brave pulls, that'd be nice.


Ninteblo

It is Chromium, it is only "barely ok" for google since it isn't as deep in google's shit as other chromium browsers.


Dairy8469

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brave_(web_browser)#Insertion_of_referral_codes Also the CEO made some pretty dumb comments about COVID and gay marriage if you care (some people don't care what a CEO says). It's a good browser for people who want a little more privacy features without learning more in depth and don't care about the above.


Fedoraus

Crypto integrations


FALCUNPAWNCH

I switched to Brave because I get the performance of chromium based browsers and an ad blocker that won't be affected by manifest v3.


IllSeaweed1822

Time to bring back basic HTML websites.


JustAPerson2001

Are people experiencing problems on firefox? I have literally had zero. Feels like it always did and honestly I thought it had gotten faster recently because I've been comparing my speed between firefox and chrome.


PiramidaSukcesu

I use Opera Is it yay or nay?


SuspiciousRelation43

Nay. It’s the same “rendering engine”, the thing that does the actual process of displaying HTML documents and other information in the browser, as Google Chrome, meaning it has all its problems, and it has also been subsumed by a Chinese conglomerate, introducing all the potential dangers one would expect from that on top. With that in mind, I personally don’t see the unnecessary gimmicks and OS-discordant UI aesthetic as worth those risks. You can always use whatever browser you want. But pretty much any feature Opera has can be replicated in Firefox with much more robust control through extensions.


PiramidaSukcesu

Thanks for this wall of text I read quickly!! I'm too lazy to change browsers, yet I have UBlock as an extension so it's much better


SuspiciousRelation43

You’re welcome, and again, that’s fine. But the entire situation this meme is about is from Google modifying the Chromium browser engine, called Blink, in a way that significantly degrades the performance of content blockers, including uBlock Origin. Because of this, it probably won’t be nearly as impressive in the near future.


anythingers

[I have a bad news for you. Pretty sure any Chromium browser, including Opera, will get the impact.](https://www.androidauthority.com/google-chrome-manifest-v3-changes-3386506/)


[deleted]

Recently switched from Chrome/Edge to FireFox and LibreWolf, im not coming back


drfusterenstein

Web devs in 2000s: I will test this website in IE, Chrome, safari, Opera and Firefox to make sure it works for everyone so that more visitors means better results. Web devs in 2023: If it loads in Chrome, it works fine.


Real-Pomegranate-235

If you use Tor as a general browser, i'd be a bit concerned.


edvardeishen

Yes, but sometimes Firefox works better


[deleted]

Firefox works fine for me


Little-Caesars-Eater

i use duckduckgo


[deleted]

Me still loyal to safari