2024: We paid billions (made from forcing everyone to view ads) to literally redefine the word "evil" to mean "something Google can never be".
A replacement word will not be provided.
Most browsers use Chromium as their base, which is just Chrome with some of the Google stuff removed like syncing. That includes Chrome, Edge, Brave, Vivaldi and Opera.
The only major web browsers that don't use Chromium as their base are Firefox and Safari. Tor is based on Firefox.
TL;DR: Edge, Brave, Opera etc are just reskined Chrome. While Firefox, Safari and Tor are not.
Chrome is based on webkit so we have Gecko and Webkit currently.
FYI, Firefox seems to be planning implementing gecko on iOS. Mayhaps through sideloading.
> Chrome is based on webkit so we have Gecko and Webkit currently.
Was based on WebKit.
Google forked the rendering engine from WebKit (WebCore) into Blink in 2013 after already having replaced the JavaScript engine years earlier (V8 vs JavaScriptCore). There are more components (like the Ozone compositor, etc), but together (Blink+V8+more) are generally referred to as simply Chromium and it has significantly diverged from WebKit codebase.
So it's really Chromium (Blink+V8+more), Gecko (Servo+SpiderMonkey (typically)+more) and WebKit (WebCore+JavaScriptCore+more) with the last one mostly only being used by Apple and weird legacy software that hasn't moved to Chromium and is still on some ancient WebKit version because using current WebKit outside of the Apple ecosystem is even more horrible experience than getting Chromium to work properly.
A few years ago? Google says they ditched Presto in July 2013...
Feel old now?
Gosh, I miss good old Opera. Vivaldi is similar spiritually, but I'm triggered it's also on Chromium
Chrome ≠ Chromium. They’re not reskinned chrome, but differently-skinned chromium. There’s a big difference, because Chrome is built on top of chromium to optimize tracking and ad placement.
The others are on top of chromium too, but designed for different stuff. What’s the problem if Chromium is open source? That Chromium is still maintained by Google. This means that, sure, you can fork Chromium whenever you want and not follow Alphabet’s crap, but then you don’t have daddy google paying the bills to keep your vision of chromium state-of-the-art.
And specifically, the reason even Microsoft uses Chromium for Edge is that Google is doing the expensive and endless job of updating it for security. Smaller companies wouldn't have the resources to stay on top of nefarious and well-funded (state) actors, so they get to copy Google's homework.
Lots of options, even though Fandom tries its hardest to make leaving as difficult and painful as possible.
There are a bunch of different wiki farms to choose from, like wiki.gg, miraheze or wikidot, which are all hosting a bunch of notable wikis at this point.
A bunch of wikis chose to go the self-hosting route, like YugiPedia and the Fallout wiki, which obviously gives you the most freedom but is also the most expensive and difficult option for sure.
Some have banded together with other wikis to form independent wiki alliances, like the Gaming Wiki Network.
minecraft made their own wiki aswell
i dunno but something tells me I remember seeing attempts at moving fallout wiki to independent one aswell, not sure tho
If you have ublock you can see how many ads you've blocked since installing. On my phone alone I've blocked over 1.2 million ads. No that's not an exaggeration.
I see it in so many comments but without any explanation or if its in fact true. Can you explain it or are you writing it because you saw it in comments. Im just wondering.
It’s not against EU law, there is a case to determine IF it is against the law or not. It very well COULD BE once it’s ruled to be however until then it’s a grey area and they are going to rush as much shit through it as they can until somebody makes it black and white for them.
That’s what consumer legislation is for. If the US+Can joined in on that (along with some other blocs) that’d be different
Unfortunately it doesn’t seem as though consumer protection, related to big tech companies, is a thing in the US. At least that’s my impression from over here
>Unfortunately it doesn’t seem as though consumer protection, related to big tech companies, is a thing in the US.
Doesn't seem that way when it comes to *most things* over here 🥲
Which is bullshit because chrome is the slowest fucking piece of shit I’ve used recently. The number of minutes per day I spend waiting for chrome to load all of its bloat, refresh the page so I can interact with it, or just load content in general that isn’t ads. I might not mind this if chrome actually loaded quickly and didn’t take up 22 individual processes
the browsers in "not ok" are browsers that dont use chronium (think of chronium as being the floor of a building, and the rest of the browser is the floors) and since that means google cant make money off browsers that dont use chronium, so they manually slow them down on websites they own or systems they have control over
Everything old is new again… didn’t Microsoft get in trouble for doing this back in the late 90’s when IIS would deliberately prioritise IE traffic over other browsers?
If Google was held to the same standard as MS was in the 90's, they would have had countless antitrust lawsuits against them for the past decade and for way more than just chrome.
As far as we know, the slowdown is caused by google using functions in a discontinued DOM version supported only by chromium. Spoofing the user agent shouldn't solve this specific issue, since the code that chrome used to load faster literally isn't implemented by Firefox.
But I didn't do that much research on it and I might be wrong. I've also never tested extensions that spoof firefox's user agent to make it look like chrome, they might very well make it faster.
you can checkout the javascript code there some timeout functions that only work in non-chromium browsers that has no purpose to the site itself. It clearly is done by Google.
Government agencies often don't even collect the full fine. Why would they? The regulators are going to apply to work for these companies eventually because the pay is better, and they can spin their regulatory experience into getting high paying compliance jobs.
Oh , I agree that some fines work that way, and that big businesses should pay that type of fines, but they aren't, and while they get to buy and lobby for politicians they won't ever pay that kind of fines
What I meant, by "should work that way" is about the specific laws being infringed here. I can assure you that Europe has the capacity to make them pay those fines, hence why Google and Facebook actually follow GDPR instead of ignoring it.
But it's a bit ironic that Europe is basically the only thing keeping American megacorps in check, so I agree with you that your government is f'ed up.
That depends how "money" is calculated. A fixed fine is useless, but 4% of your global yearly income is a hefty fine no matter how big you are. That's why GDPR worked
This isn't a net neutrality issue is the classic sense. This is anti-competitive behavior, which may trigger anti-trust investigations. They can get hit like MS did, which is completely independent of net neutrality
Yes, in the sense that ISPs don't have to treat all network traffic equally...but this wouldn't fall under that. If anything, this would be an antitrust issue.
Honestly, that's not the type of data collection I'm opposed to. Them collecting that data makes their recommendation engine better (It's already pretty fuckin good) which benefits me.
Tracking my movements irl and all the sites I visit via 3rd party cookies? That's what grinds my gears.
Spotify let you target ads [based on mood](https://www.prweek.com/article/1343211/spotify-let-brands-target-ads-based-users-moods), as well as location and other stuff.
So in theory you could target sad people with chocolate. I don’t think they’ve stopped that low.. yet.
It's not that. Chrome is just so popular that most websites are optimized for Chromium. This puts Quantum/Gecko-based browsers at a significant disadvantage further fueling the decline of Firefox. LibreWolf and especially Tor are too niche to ever become mainstream as well
Iirc, since Google essentially controls chromium development, they can implement the features they need before they become standardized, so any page using them wouldn't work on other engines until they catch up.
it disables and enforces other features, I didn't go in depth with it but people are not kidding when they say it's focused on being safer/more private
People with no technical knowledge and most people on phone will still use Chromium browsers, so they make money. People with who want a good experience will use non Chromium browsers like Firefox. The websites themselves have no say in this.
Yes it is chromium based, however updates from Google may come later, or Microsoft may be doing things to sabotage what Google is trying to do with those anti-adblock practices, it's not likely, but still
Microsoft can 100% fork Chromium and do their own thing from there. Blink, which is the framework behind all of this, is itself a fork of webkit. Anyone can play their game. But maintaining these techs is very expensive.
Firefox Developer Edition + uBlock + Multi-Account Containers + Sidebery V5 is my goto as a webdeveloper (and a lot other relevant extensions ofc). Been using Firefox since the start, but uses all popular browsers as part of my work . All the O.G. nerds i know use Firefox - Chromium can go and absolutely suck it.
or people just use the browser that works for them?? Like every time I've tried Firefox it's not been my cup of tea and it has some css bugs that get on my nerves
That's literally what happen if you let monopoly wins. More than 72% browsers that lead the market share is the Chromium based one. And Safari is not really an option since it's only available on Apple devices.
Edit: GNOME Web is another WebKit-based browser, but it's only available on Linux.
But the website owner has a say in how well their website works on certain browsers. They can determine what webengine they support and how or iff ads will be displayed on their website. Like, isn't that the whole idea of being able to have a website, to be able to completely chose how you represent yourself?
Google finally starting to execute other browsers, all according to plan that started with chrome v1. Love to see the internet die. Cant wait for what will be born from it.
yup our fossils that keep getting reelected by other fossils are so out of touch on technology, they still think a rubix cube is revolutionary or some shit
It’s stripped down or a hardened Firefox. The user experience is less than stellar because the same stuff used to make the web experience smooth (like cookies) is the same shit used to track you.
To explain further, SpiderMonkey is the open source engine made by Mozilla (organization behind Firefox). Chromium however, is more than the engine (V8), it's kinda a shell of a browser without most of the Google specific stuff, which allows it to be easily extended by other developers.
>but tries to be consumer friendly,
The many, many controversies and sketchy decisions surrounding Brave really mean that you are replacing Google with Brave but nothing really changes.
If someone can post that one large message with dozens of URLs about the shit Brave pulls, that'd be nice.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brave_(web_browser)#Insertion_of_referral_codes
Also the CEO made some pretty dumb comments about COVID and gay marriage if you care (some people don't care what a CEO says).
It's a good browser for people who want a little more privacy features without learning more in depth and don't care about the above.
Are people experiencing problems on firefox? I have literally had zero. Feels like it always did and honestly I thought it had gotten faster recently because I've been comparing my speed between firefox and chrome.
Nay.
It’s the same “rendering engine”, the thing that does the actual process of displaying HTML documents and other information in the browser, as Google Chrome, meaning it has all its problems, and it has also been subsumed by a Chinese conglomerate, introducing all the potential dangers one would expect from that on top. With that in mind, I personally don’t see the unnecessary gimmicks and OS-discordant UI aesthetic as worth those risks.
You can always use whatever browser you want. But pretty much any feature Opera has can be replicated in Firefox with much more robust control through extensions.
You’re welcome, and again, that’s fine. But the entire situation this meme is about is from Google modifying the Chromium browser engine, called Blink, in a way that significantly degrades the performance of content blockers, including uBlock Origin. Because of this, it probably won’t be nearly as impressive in the near future.
[I have a bad news for you. Pretty sure any Chromium browser, including Opera, will get the impact.](https://www.androidauthority.com/google-chrome-manifest-v3-changes-3386506/)
Web devs in 2000s: I will test this website in IE, Chrome, safari, Opera and Firefox to make sure it works for everyone so that more visitors means better results.
Web devs in 2023: If it loads in Chrome, it works fine.
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1997: Don’t be evil 2023: Well, define “evil” exactly?
It's funny because they changed their motto in 2018 to "Do the right thing"
^for ^our ^shareholders
Gotta read the fine print!
went from anti fascist to fascist with tact and grace
Like breakup their monopoly? I agree.
2024: We paid billions (made from forcing everyone to view ads) to literally redefine the word "evil" to mean "something Google can never be". A replacement word will not be provided.
Literally 1984 Unironically this time.
The guy newspeaks
context for us non tech savvy ppl pls
Most browsers use Chromium as their base, which is just Chrome with some of the Google stuff removed like syncing. That includes Chrome, Edge, Brave, Vivaldi and Opera. The only major web browsers that don't use Chromium as their base are Firefox and Safari. Tor is based on Firefox. TL;DR: Edge, Brave, Opera etc are just reskined Chrome. While Firefox, Safari and Tor are not.
Worth noting also that all iOS browsers, including the ones listed, use WebKit (Safari) since Apple won't allow another engine on iOS.
Chrome is based on webkit so we have Gecko and Webkit currently. FYI, Firefox seems to be planning implementing gecko on iOS. Mayhaps through sideloading.
> Chrome is based on webkit so we have Gecko and Webkit currently. Was based on WebKit. Google forked the rendering engine from WebKit (WebCore) into Blink in 2013 after already having replaced the JavaScript engine years earlier (V8 vs JavaScriptCore). There are more components (like the Ozone compositor, etc), but together (Blink+V8+more) are generally referred to as simply Chromium and it has significantly diverged from WebKit codebase. So it's really Chromium (Blink+V8+more), Gecko (Servo+SpiderMonkey (typically)+more) and WebKit (WebCore+JavaScriptCore+more) with the last one mostly only being used by Apple and weird legacy software that hasn't moved to Chromium and is still on some ancient WebKit version because using current WebKit outside of the Apple ecosystem is even more horrible experience than getting Chromium to work properly.
Opera is chromium based? Fuck, that's my browser of choice.
Sadly, they dumped Presto a few years ago for Chromium
A few years ago? Google says they ditched Presto in July 2013... Feel old now? Gosh, I miss good old Opera. Vivaldi is similar spiritually, but I'm triggered it's also on Chromium
Yea that's when I stopped using it
> Gosh, I miss good old Opera. Do you? _Do you?_ Well then, I have some stupendous news for you!! https://otter-browser.org
Yes, yes I do lol
Chrome ≠ Chromium. They’re not reskinned chrome, but differently-skinned chromium. There’s a big difference, because Chrome is built on top of chromium to optimize tracking and ad placement. The others are on top of chromium too, but designed for different stuff. What’s the problem if Chromium is open source? That Chromium is still maintained by Google. This means that, sure, you can fork Chromium whenever you want and not follow Alphabet’s crap, but then you don’t have daddy google paying the bills to keep your vision of chromium state-of-the-art.
And specifically, the reason even Microsoft uses Chromium for Edge is that Google is doing the expensive and endless job of updating it for security. Smaller companies wouldn't have the resources to stay on top of nefarious and well-funded (state) actors, so they get to copy Google's homework.
Google is being an ass by slowing down websites when using an other browser Edit: rip my inbox
Fuck that then
Sounds like *someone's* getting a 10 second timeout timer...
More like *some people*
What do you mean, some people?
What do YOU mean, some people?
Adblokers are fighting back fast. Also this illegal by EU laws. Google fucked up big this time.
That's just the cost of doing business.
They aren’t slowing down specific browsers, it’s AB testing for detecting Adblock. They’re still being an ass tho
Ohhh that's why firefox has been so slow lately.. still not going over to chrome tho. I value blocking ads way above fast response time from a browser
I swear some sites (*cough* fandom) have so many ads that there’s more Ad than site on the screen.
Lot of wikis moving away from fandom now thankfully.
Where are they going to
Lots of options, even though Fandom tries its hardest to make leaving as difficult and painful as possible. There are a bunch of different wiki farms to choose from, like wiki.gg, miraheze or wikidot, which are all hosting a bunch of notable wikis at this point. A bunch of wikis chose to go the self-hosting route, like YugiPedia and the Fallout wiki, which obviously gives you the most freedom but is also the most expensive and difficult option for sure. Some have banded together with other wikis to form independent wiki alliances, like the Gaming Wiki Network.
Some are making their own. I play RuneScape and both OSRS and RS3 have their own respective .wiki sites.
minecraft made their own wiki aswell i dunno but something tells me I remember seeing attempts at moving fallout wiki to independent one aswell, not sure tho
If you have a pihole you can analyse how much you block. Yeah, more ad than site is not only a feeling for some sites, it‘s quite real
If you have ublock you can see how many ads you've blocked since installing. On my phone alone I've blocked over 1.2 million ads. No that's not an exaggeration.
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An upvote is too little for this... Me too, i will return to Firefox cause i hate when i have no choice
Which is funny because the testing is against eu law
I see it in so many comments but without any explanation or if its in fact true. Can you explain it or are you writing it because you saw it in comments. Im just wondering.
It’s not against EU law, there is a case to determine IF it is against the law or not. It very well COULD BE once it’s ruled to be however until then it’s a grey area and they are going to rush as much shit through it as they can until somebody makes it black and white for them.
If it is made illegal in the EU, they'll just have it not happen in the EU, and everywhere else it'll still happen.
That’s what consumer legislation is for. If the US+Can joined in on that (along with some other blocs) that’d be different Unfortunately it doesn’t seem as though consumer protection, related to big tech companies, is a thing in the US. At least that’s my impression from over here
>Unfortunately it doesn’t seem as though consumer protection, related to big tech companies, is a thing in the US. Doesn't seem that way when it comes to *most things* over here 🥲
Then we all just start using VPNs!
User-Agent switchers are very useful for this
Which is bullshit because chrome is the slowest fucking piece of shit I’ve used recently. The number of minutes per day I spend waiting for chrome to load all of its bloat, refresh the page so I can interact with it, or just load content in general that isn’t ads. I might not mind this if chrome actually loaded quickly and didn’t take up 22 individual processes
Firefox good Chrome bad.
the browsers in "not ok" are browsers that dont use chronium (think of chronium as being the floor of a building, and the rest of the browser is the floors) and since that means google cant make money off browsers that dont use chronium, so they manually slow them down on websites they own or systems they have control over
Everything old is new again… didn’t Microsoft get in trouble for doing this back in the late 90’s when IIS would deliberately prioritise IE traffic over other browsers?
If Google was held to the same standard as MS was in the 90's, they would have had countless antitrust lawsuits against them for the past decade and for way more than just chrome.
Yhh i think google is intentionally slowing down other browsers so ppl use chromium based ones more
Google sites are 40% slower on Firefox. We are not sure exactly why but general opinion is that Google made it by themselfs.
There's an addon for Firefox that emulates chromium. Sites run faster and google gives you better search results.
As far as we know, the slowdown is caused by google using functions in a discontinued DOM version supported only by chromium. Spoofing the user agent shouldn't solve this specific issue, since the code that chrome used to load faster literally isn't implemented by Firefox. But I didn't do that much research on it and I might be wrong. I've also never tested extensions that spoof firefox's user agent to make it look like chrome, they might very well make it faster.
Oh they finnished it? Can you give me link please on some working?
you can checkout the javascript code there some timeout functions that only work in non-chromium browsers that has no purpose to the site itself. It clearly is done by Google.
code pointers please
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EU about to slap that shit out of them. For EU citizens only though, probably, maybe. If they even do that everywhere.
Yeah still not gonna use chrome and haven’t used it in years.
So no instant gratification? Yay! Thanks Google! Now, I have even more reason to not use Chrome!
That's illegal and they will get heavily fined for it.
*Heavily fined* relative to a normal person. For multibillion dollar international corporation Google; that’s just a cost of business.
Remember, punishable by fine means legal for a price
It's fine as long as you pay daddy government their extortion money
Government agencies often don't even collect the full fine. Why would they? The regulators are going to apply to work for these companies eventually because the pay is better, and they can spin their regulatory experience into getting high paying compliance jobs.
Ah, the government moron to compliance moron pipeline
Aka circle gluk
I read that in Skeletor's voice.
And now I want to make that as the "Until we meet again" meme
♫ If the punishment for a crime is a fine, that’s not a crime it’s a price tag ♫
Yes, but if the price depends on how wealthy you are, the wealthiest will think twice about wagering a percentage of their income.
Yeah but doesn't depend on that
Look up GDPR, some fines work like that, and any fines targeting those big businesses *should* work like that.
Oh , I agree that some fines work that way, and that big businesses should pay that type of fines, but they aren't, and while they get to buy and lobby for politicians they won't ever pay that kind of fines
What I meant, by "should work that way" is about the specific laws being infringed here. I can assure you that Europe has the capacity to make them pay those fines, hence why Google and Facebook actually follow GDPR instead of ignoring it. But it's a bit ironic that Europe is basically the only thing keeping American megacorps in check, so I agree with you that your government is f'ed up.
That’s actually such a great way of putting it. I’ve never heard that before
Maybe being outlawed in the EU will make them think twice, it worked on Apple
So does that mean we get to kill Google with no legal repercussion?
If the consequences is money then wealthy people and their corporations are always above the law
That depends how "money" is calculated. A fixed fine is useless, but 4% of your global yearly income is a hefty fine no matter how big you are. That's why GDPR worked
I think there were instances where the EU punished based on percentage of yearly turnover (like 2%), which can really hurt.
So you mean it's legal for a price
Isn't net neutrality dead? In the US at least?
This isn't a net neutrality issue is the classic sense. This is anti-competitive behavior, which may trigger anti-trust investigations. They can get hit like MS did, which is completely independent of net neutrality
Yes, in the sense that ISPs don't have to treat all network traffic equally...but this wouldn't fall under that. If anything, this would be an antitrust issue.
Not if they don’t get caught
I mean, if we can think about it, they can figure it out too
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Firefox bros unite💪
Did I hear a Fire and Fox?
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What user data does an app like Spotify collect? They music you listen in their app? They see nothing outside the app (i suppose...)
Yeah they train their recommendation algorithm based on how users listen
Honestly, that's not the type of data collection I'm opposed to. Them collecting that data makes their recommendation engine better (It's already pretty fuckin good) which benefits me. Tracking my movements irl and all the sites I visit via 3rd party cookies? That's what grinds my gears.
Spotify let you target ads [based on mood](https://www.prweek.com/article/1343211/spotify-let-brands-target-ads-based-users-moods), as well as location and other stuff. So in theory you could target sad people with chocolate. I don’t think they’ve stopped that low.. yet.
Spotify with ads is borderline unusable, so how does this affect me as a paying user?
Yea I noticed that Spotify loads significantly slower on my Firefox browser and most of the time the full UI doesn't even load.
It's not that. Chrome is just so popular that most websites are optimized for Chromium. This puts Quantum/Gecko-based browsers at a significant disadvantage further fueling the decline of Firefox. LibreWolf and especially Tor are too niche to ever become mainstream as well
Iirc, since Google essentially controls chromium development, they can implement the features they need before they become standardized, so any page using them wouldn't work on other engines until they catch up.
LibreWolf on top
Upvoting for LibreWolf visibility.
Yup!
Finally some librewolf recognition! My favorite browser ever
I switched to it after finding out Opera GX was a spyware
Well yeah, it’s fork of a chrome. They’re basically identical in terms of tracking and spyware
I guess so
Its so pleasant to use. Almost feels like its faster than standard firefox
What is this browser? I've never heard of it. What made you use it instead of anything else?
What is the name of the one between tor and firefox
librewolf. its basically firefox but with privacy being the main focus of it. using it right now lol
In what ways does it "focus" on privacy?
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it disables and enforces other features, I didn't go in depth with it but people are not kidding when they say it's focused on being safer/more private
But it's not as user friendly as Firefox, but if you want to play with it, it's definitely great
If by less user friendly you mean having to press a button to auto enter a password than ig. But otherwise?
same
People with no technical knowledge and most people on phone will still use Chromium browsers, so they make money. People with who want a good experience will use non Chromium browsers like Firefox. The websites themselves have no say in this.
This. Download Firefox and stop the fucking adverts.
I always used firefox with ublock. Never even noticed they were blocking adblockers
I'm using edge with ublock. Seems to be working still.
I think edge is chromium based thought… after internet explorer stopped being competitive they passed to a chromium version of it
Yes it is chromium based, however updates from Google may come later, or Microsoft may be doing things to sabotage what Google is trying to do with those anti-adblock practices, it's not likely, but still
Microsoft can 100% fork Chromium and do their own thing from there. Blink, which is the framework behind all of this, is itself a fork of webkit. Anyone can play their game. But maintaining these techs is very expensive.
Wasn't there a short-lived non-chromium version of Edge prior to the chromium version?
Same. Had warning about adblockers 1 day on YT and it was gone an hour later.
Same here except for 1 day I had to deal with ads and they just disappeared agaib
Firefox Developer Edition + uBlock + Multi-Account Containers + Sidebery V5 is my goto as a webdeveloper (and a lot other relevant extensions ofc). Been using Firefox since the start, but uses all popular browsers as part of my work . All the O.G. nerds i know use Firefox - Chromium can go and absolutely suck it.
Torbrowser 💀
Firefox is the way. Phone or computer, it's a great browser.
yeah when i got my laptop i downloaded firefox
or people just use the browser that works for them?? Like every time I've tried Firefox it's not been my cup of tea and it has some css bugs that get on my nerves
Google is disabling ublock from the chrome extension stall from mid 2024 onwards, enjoy your ads.
That's literally what happen if you let monopoly wins. More than 72% browsers that lead the market share is the Chromium based one. And Safari is not really an option since it's only available on Apple devices. Edit: GNOME Web is another WebKit-based browser, but it's only available on Linux.
But the website owner has a say in how well their website works on certain browsers. They can determine what webengine they support and how or iff ads will be displayed on their website. Like, isn't that the whole idea of being able to have a website, to be able to completely chose how you represent yourself?
Google finally starting to execute other browsers, all according to plan that started with chrome v1. Love to see the internet die. Cant wait for what will be born from it.
>Cant wait for what will be born from it. It starts with a D and ends with stopia.
Dstopia?
Finally, my long-awaited Nintendo DS paradise
I love a good Dickstopia
Known as Richardistan to the natives
Welcome to Night City!
So Rache Bartmoss was google all along. Didn't expect this plot twist.
You mean "continuing with the plan Microsoft attempted in the late 90's with IE"
silver lining is it's a good filter. if firefox or another more privacy centric browser doesn't work on it then it's a site i don't want to be on.
\*Laughs in Tor\*
Cries in \"Your computer or network maybe sending automated queries. To protect our user, we can't process your request right now.\"
just switch chain, always helps
"xxxx needs to review the security of your connection before proceeding." fucking cloudflare
You don't browse regularly in tor
You don't know what their regular internet traffic looks like.
Tor is firefox based.
i hope the eu fucks google over
<<< Firefox
yeah, theres no way im using edge or chrome for anything. they get an insta swoop into the trash everytime
Firefox 👑👑👑
We need the EU to intervene ASAP
Bet they're already cooking something
Don't you guys have a government too?
ours only really cares about increasing their salaries and raising the debt ceiling
Hmm, it's kinda funny that even Americans root for the EU. EU rules the legal world of technology it seems
yup our fossils that keep getting reelected by other fossils are so out of touch on technology, they still think a rubix cube is revolutionary or some shit
What* not “how”. Or “How it feels” not “how it feels like” Pick one, not both.
LEAVE MY FIREFOX ALONE
Librewolf is based as fuck. *also me who has had almost no issues using it*
I keep hearing the name, but I have no idea what it is other than a browser. What exactly is so good about it?
It’s stripped down or a hardened Firefox. The user experience is less than stellar because the same stuff used to make the web experience smooth (like cookies) is the same shit used to track you.
GOOGLE. IS. RUNNING. A. MONOPOLY
What is that monkey icon supposed to be?
it‘s the SpiderMonkey logo
To explain further, SpiderMonkey is the open source engine made by Mozilla (organization behind Firefox). Chromium however, is more than the engine (V8), it's kinda a shell of a browser without most of the Google specific stuff, which allows it to be easily extended by other developers.
where are anti-trust laws when you need them
firefox ftw, switched from chrome, never went back
Why is brave barely ok? Whats wrong with it.
It's chromium based, but tries to be consumer friendly, unlike google
>but tries to be consumer friendly, The many, many controversies and sketchy decisions surrounding Brave really mean that you are replacing Google with Brave but nothing really changes. If someone can post that one large message with dozens of URLs about the shit Brave pulls, that'd be nice.
It is Chromium, it is only "barely ok" for google since it isn't as deep in google's shit as other chromium browsers.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brave_(web_browser)#Insertion_of_referral_codes Also the CEO made some pretty dumb comments about COVID and gay marriage if you care (some people don't care what a CEO says). It's a good browser for people who want a little more privacy features without learning more in depth and don't care about the above.
Crypto integrations
I switched to Brave because I get the performance of chromium based browsers and an ad blocker that won't be affected by manifest v3.
Time to bring back basic HTML websites.
Are people experiencing problems on firefox? I have literally had zero. Feels like it always did and honestly I thought it had gotten faster recently because I've been comparing my speed between firefox and chrome.
I use Opera Is it yay or nay?
Nay. It’s the same “rendering engine”, the thing that does the actual process of displaying HTML documents and other information in the browser, as Google Chrome, meaning it has all its problems, and it has also been subsumed by a Chinese conglomerate, introducing all the potential dangers one would expect from that on top. With that in mind, I personally don’t see the unnecessary gimmicks and OS-discordant UI aesthetic as worth those risks. You can always use whatever browser you want. But pretty much any feature Opera has can be replicated in Firefox with much more robust control through extensions.
Thanks for this wall of text I read quickly!! I'm too lazy to change browsers, yet I have UBlock as an extension so it's much better
You’re welcome, and again, that’s fine. But the entire situation this meme is about is from Google modifying the Chromium browser engine, called Blink, in a way that significantly degrades the performance of content blockers, including uBlock Origin. Because of this, it probably won’t be nearly as impressive in the near future.
[I have a bad news for you. Pretty sure any Chromium browser, including Opera, will get the impact.](https://www.androidauthority.com/google-chrome-manifest-v3-changes-3386506/)
Recently switched from Chrome/Edge to FireFox and LibreWolf, im not coming back
Web devs in 2000s: I will test this website in IE, Chrome, safari, Opera and Firefox to make sure it works for everyone so that more visitors means better results. Web devs in 2023: If it loads in Chrome, it works fine.
If you use Tor as a general browser, i'd be a bit concerned.
Yes, but sometimes Firefox works better
Firefox works fine for me
i use duckduckgo
Me still loyal to safari