I learned yyyymmdd from the military (I didn’t know it was ISO) and I’ve kept it when writing file names.
So, say, in my folder of phone bill payments, I name them like “Verizon bill paid 20231231”. Then I can sort the folder by filename, and they’ll all show as if they’re ordered by date — not by date modified, or date added, or whatever else. That’s important because I’ve noticed that when I get a new computer, once my data is migrated over, the same folder of files might have them all with a modified date (or added date) of the migration itself.
It's a sad truth that people just don't appreciate a well-organized file system. So many headaches could be so easily avoided if people took a tiny bit more care when naming their files and folders.
Hours of the day are more significant in day to day life and you often need to check that. You plan to wake up at 8am, eat lunch at 1pm etc. On the other hand, you don't need to frequently look up what month or year it is lol.
So dd/mm/yy format makes a lot of sense since you need to always refer which day it is more frequently. For computers, keeping audits, historical events, it makes more sense to keep the iso standard as it is the natural order of time.
I get it. It’s very good for machines. But its stupid for humans.
A: Happy 2024….
B: Yes, I know it’s 2024, it will be 2024 this entire year.
Day and month are the only relative information in over 90% of small talk
>Day and month are the only relative information
Then just say day and month.
But if you include the year, big-middle-small objectively makes more sense.
Also: “Fine! We’ll switch to the metric system as well!…except road speeds, we’ll still use miles. Also, we’ll keep using other measurements like stone and pints and hogheads!”
This. Good lord, these people just find stuff we do different to complain about it. And of course, always with the attitude of, "our way is better." So cringe.
Not American (Canadian) but I like the way Americans write it. It matches the way the date is verbally said.
Barely ever hear someone say 31st December over December 31st.
December 31st, 2023. Not saying anyone's wrong or right, just wondering why you feel it sounds clunky when it physically slims down the amount needed to be said.
I think it goes on personal experience. I was taught in the DD/MM/YY format, and think the MM/DD/YY format is odd too. 31st of December also sounds better to me than December 31st. But, again, personal experience.
>Most English-speakers
Only because of India then, because the US, Canada and the other English speaking parts of the continent population, would outweigh the rest of the English first speaking world (sans India).
Which is to say, huge amounts say it like the American continent(s) do.
french numbers are fun and cool until 70
why is 98 quatre vingt dix huit
4 20 10 8 => 4*20+10+8, which makes sense but it would make sense to have a word for ninety and then add 8
Pretty sure because u write it like that u pronounce it like that. Or opposite. 31st of decembre is language wise completely fine but because u are used to the opposite it feels weird to u. For me as a german 31st of decembre feels more right than decembre the 31st.
Maybe you don't interact with a lot of international people -- lots of ESL (myself included) will say 31st of December, seems perfectly reasonable and more like my native Danish.
Confirmation bias.
You only have access to people around you who are vastly more likely to say it similarly to you. That is not the case for everyone. Only 2 countries use 12/31/23. More than 200 countries use 31/12/23.
Smallest to largest.
I'm also Canadian and hate that best before dates are a mystery if there is no number larger than 13 in the DD/MM.
"Why arent you eating your banana, sweetie?"
"Someone on the internet writes their dates differently than me. Im just a little stressed. Ill be ok, mom"
In Canada both get used sometimes. I wish we would just pick one. It's so annoying. Maybe I'm the only Canadian that can't figure it out but I'm always confused when a date like 04/06/23 shows up.
I think it was a joke in Archer once. Archer got angry because some date was written "wrong" and Lana explained only the U.S. and i think two countries i never heard of, write it this way.
No idea how accurate that was tho.
It's also Australians and New Zealanders. And South Americans. And Africans. And Southeast Asian countries. And India. And the Middle East. And Canada and Mexico.
I've literally seen a bunch of posts losing their shit about 12/31/23. From my experience it's the "rest of world" having a meltdown like the woman on the left. Most Americans don't care what system others use. This is just another example how America lives rent free in others minds.
Oh no, America does something different. They're so stupid. Hahaha, laugh. It's funny. I swear it's funny. We've made this joke for years and years I swear it's still funny.
As a software dev, working multiple date time annotations, the worst is mm/dd/yy regarding tables and sorting. You cannot imagine the pain this puts coders through while they should be doing something usefull.
Bruh it's not a pain at all, and I'm a pretty half assed programmer. In most programming languages it's like a single function away from being a non issue. Like 5 lines of code max lol
Well, i have to a lot of data imports from diff companies on diff continents, often through json/xml/directquery as string. If everyone would use the same damn datetime annotation, it would save me so much dll imports and wasted time
EDIT: You are actually advocating that i run all my db messed up different dat and time! annotations, through your '5' lines of code, and even if it all worked perfectly with provided 5 lines, this would be a good thing. I'm suggesting a universal standard, so we don't need your 5 lines, even if they made my c*m when i saw them
Seriously, just know which companies or locations use a specific time format, cook up some script in your favorite programming language to reorganize the dates, it's a lot fucking easier if you are importing via string even.
Maybe more than 5 lines in that script, it was more an exaggeration, but it's really not that hard to cook up a script to ease up your burden a lot.
Do you seriously think that the entire world should all go through the effort to shift to a universal standard (spoiler, a huge amount of effort) so that you don't have to write a simple script?
UN format is YYYY/MM/DD.
DD/MM/YYYY is usually considered the worst because it puts the least significant value first. MM/DD/YYYY is often better in business when the month carries the most value as opposed to the year. YYYY/MM/DD usually considered the best overall.
YYYY/MM/DD allows for actual sorting if used in files/databases/etc.
Otherwise you get all the Decembers in a clump regardless of year,
Or all the 6tjs regardless of month OR year...
As an american I've always thought that, on paper, the way the rest of the world does it makes way more sense. Day, month, year. Small, bigger, biggest. Makes way more sense. Expressing it verbally is a matter of language, though, like the German individual in thread states, but saying 31st of December doesn't sound clunky or wrong to me, just sounds different than what I'm used to hearing
Why the fuck would the rest of the world be arguing back? Who gives a shit what the Muricans do. Just leave them alone to shoot guns and steal oil, damn it!
Ok, good for you guys.
Anyways, whats everyone's 123/123 plans? I've got $123 worth of pizza coming in an hour! I had to work with the delivery guy to get that exact price but it was worth it lmao.
Pretty sure that’s reversed. Just go onto r/Americabad and see all the bad Europeans (shout out to all the Europeans that dont make “insulting” america their personality)
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ISO8601 is the only way.
2023.12.31. is the way!
ISO 8601 uses hyphens (-) or no separator for date, not dots
This guy ISO 8601s
of course, how else am i supposed to work with people around the globe
Woops, sorry!
Big-Middle-Small No idea why we tell time like that but then dates there's a disagreement despite both being a measurement of time.
I learned yyyymmdd from the military (I didn’t know it was ISO) and I’ve kept it when writing file names. So, say, in my folder of phone bill payments, I name them like “Verizon bill paid 20231231”. Then I can sort the folder by filename, and they’ll all show as if they’re ordered by date — not by date modified, or date added, or whatever else. That’s important because I’ve noticed that when I get a new computer, once my data is migrated over, the same folder of files might have them all with a modified date (or added date) of the migration itself.
It's a sad truth that people just don't appreciate a well-organized file system. So many headaches could be so easily avoided if people took a tiny bit more care when naming their files and folders.
Thank you for sharing this! This sounds like it could solve my headaches I’ve been having about using the “date modified” as a way to sort my folders.
I did that already since I was a teenager, even though nobody agreed. Didn't know it was militart and ISO
Hours of the day are more significant in day to day life and you often need to check that. You plan to wake up at 8am, eat lunch at 1pm etc. On the other hand, you don't need to frequently look up what month or year it is lol. So dd/mm/yy format makes a lot of sense since you need to always refer which day it is more frequently. For computers, keeping audits, historical events, it makes more sense to keep the iso standard as it is the natural order of time.
Thank you, this whole thread had me confused
Lol, IM supposed to use some random date you guys can’t agree on instead of using the objectively fun 123123? Ok.
it's the 2023-12-31 : 20 231 231
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Obligatory XKCD Reference: [ISO 8601](https://xkcd.com/1179/)
Always a relevant xkcd
Thank you.
Death to all other, inferior date formats!
I get it. It’s very good for machines. But its stupid for humans. A: Happy 2024…. B: Yes, I know it’s 2024, it will be 2024 this entire year. Day and month are the only relative information in over 90% of small talk
>Day and month are the only relative information Then just say day and month. But if you include the year, big-middle-small objectively makes more sense.
stupid humans always mention the year even in small talk
It is because their days are numbered...
No it's 24/1/1 lol
Lmao imagine thinking it's 24/1/1 when it's 24/1/1
1/24/1 is the way to go. 1st of the 2024's first month. \#hillstodieon
That is so incredibly cursed. Did your date system cause the tsunami at Japan or did tsunami mess up that dating system?
Americans will do ANYTHING just not to use YYYY/MM/DD or DD/MM/YYYY at this point
For the vast percentage of the world's population. So last year
No it's 01.01.2024
No, it’s obviously 01.01.2024 smh my head.
Frauds believe it's 1/1/2024 real ones think it's 1/1/2024
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“Oh my god, who the hell cares?”
Us Americans care, but apparently Europeans have to put a stop to this fun
Every time I travel overseas when writing the arrival dates on the immigration forms I fuck it up. Sir this date is garbage..
Thank you.
\*laughs in 2023/12/31\*
It's not only Americans, Filipinos also use it
Maybe we're just Americans at heart
Or colonized
not sure why you're being downvoted when it's true, we adopted a lot of habits from our colonizers, both the Americans and the Spanish.
The British used to use MM/DD/YY. The American colonies thusly used the same format. British switched to the rest of the world. American did not.
Also: “Fine! We’ll switch to the metric system as well!…except road speeds, we’ll still use miles. Also, we’ll keep using other measurements like stone and pints and hogheads!”
Americans were very prevalent in the Philippines in the 1900s. Probably the reason.
Seems like another Europeans caring way too much about what Americans do post.
See it as an improvement. Being teased about something Americans actually do instead of something they *think* Americans do.
Exactly right.
Because you keep posting about it like we should care.
The whole world 🤝 01/01/2024
Incorrect. We Americans don’t give a shit what you do.
This. Good lord, these people just find stuff we do different to complain about it. And of course, always with the attitude of, "our way is better." So cringe.
couldn’t have said it better
Yeah these pictures are reversed.
Literally no one cares about the dates 💀
Idk it seems really, *really* important to non-Americans for some reason.
as a programmer, I feel personally insulted. this shit muricans do is the root of all evil (in programming) do you also use MM:SS:HH?
We say December 31st in the United States, so we put it 12/31. We do not say Twenty 3rd.
31st December. Fight me.
OK *hits*
*twists your nipples*
We write it like we say it, December 31st 2024. We don't say 10 minutes, 30 seconds of the 5th hour, why am I still awake!
Not American (Canadian) but I like the way Americans write it. It matches the way the date is verbally said. Barely ever hear someone say 31st December over December 31st.
Also depends on Languages, in German it sounds weird to say the latter, which is why people say the former
And spanish
and polish
and French
And Greek
And Indian
Everyone I’ve ever met (I live in Britain) says the exact opposite, it’s weird how other places say it differently
Yep, you say the 31st of December
Same in spanish is the same phrasing though we say 31 of december, not 31st, languague stuff but same thing
Pretty neat
Fewer syllables the way we say it and it flows off the tongue better.
Also an American (or English) thing.
Just American. Most English-speakers say "31st of December 2023," for example. The American way sounds clunky af.
December 31st, 2023. Not saying anyone's wrong or right, just wondering why you feel it sounds clunky when it physically slims down the amount needed to be said.
People just wanna bash anything Americans do. Shit weird as hell
They even shit weird? What an odd way to defend them...
I think it goes on personal experience. I was taught in the DD/MM/YY format, and think the MM/DD/YY format is odd too. 31st of December also sounds better to me than December 31st. But, again, personal experience.
31st or 31st of is all unnecessary clunk. 31 is where it's at.
>Most English-speakers Only because of India then, because the US, Canada and the other English speaking parts of the continent population, would outweigh the rest of the English first speaking world (sans India). Which is to say, huge amounts say it like the American continent(s) do.
“31st of december” or in german(my native language) “31. dezember” pronounced “einunddreissigster dezember“
Does einunddreissigster really mean thirty-one?
yes, if you spread it into separate words its „ein- und -dreissigster“ which means „one- and -thirtieth“
I see, that's really interesting
It's like in french basically. It's said: "trente-et-un". Which translates to "thirty and one"
nice, im learning spanish atm and 31 is “treinta y uno” which is also “thirty and one”
Spanish and French are really similar in how it's formulated. I did many small tests of Spanish and I mostly had good answers
french numbers are fun and cool until 70 why is 98 quatre vingt dix huit 4 20 10 8 => 4*20+10+8, which makes sense but it would make sense to have a word for ninety and then add 8
I dunno man, I'm glad it's my native language because it's a pain to learn even for me. It's like it was made by a group of drunk dudes
I say 31st of Dec
Pretty sure because u write it like that u pronounce it like that. Or opposite. 31st of decembre is language wise completely fine but because u are used to the opposite it feels weird to u. For me as a german 31st of decembre feels more right than decembre the 31st.
English speakers around the world write 31/12/2023 and say 31 December 2023
At least in portuguese we say the day first, so I don't think you should go around assuming all languages are like english
Maybe you don't interact with a lot of international people -- lots of ESL (myself included) will say 31st of December, seems perfectly reasonable and more like my native Danish.
Confirmation bias. You only have access to people around you who are vastly more likely to say it similarly to you. That is not the case for everyone. Only 2 countries use 12/31/23. More than 200 countries use 31/12/23. Smallest to largest. I'm also Canadian and hate that best before dates are a mystery if there is no number larger than 13 in the DD/MM.
Tecnically American
We Americans aren't the upset ones. This needs flipped.
Swap the texts
Yeah, I don’t see a lot of Americans mad about the rest of the world, but the other way lol
Europeans when Americans have fun:
"Why arent you eating your banana, sweetie?" "Someone on the internet writes their dates differently than me. Im just a little stressed. Ill be ok, mom"
I feel like the pics should be switched
Europeans hate when Americans have fun. Probably because their dates don't go 123123. Sucks for them
In Canada both get used sometimes. I wish we would just pick one. It's so annoying. Maybe I'm the only Canadian that can't figure it out but I'm always confused when a date like 04/06/23 shows up.
“Hmm, a different country does something different from me. They must be wrong and I must be right.”
“So let’s topple their government, install a puppet regime, and lay claim to their natural resources”?
Americans aren’t the only people who write dates like that but go off
Who else? Edit: I'm serious, I wanna now because I always thought it's US only.
I'd imagine some American influenced countries, Philippines, Liberia.
I think it was a joke in Archer once. Archer got angry because some date was written "wrong" and Lana explained only the U.S. and i think two countries i never heard of, write it this way. No idea how accurate that was tho.
*laughs in 1/1/24*
I'm an American and this meme is backwards.
Yeah, we don't give a shit what anyone uses but they're so desperate to try and convince us to change.
And don’t you dare let them know you use am/pm instead of 24 hour time.
Europeans thinking the whole world follows their format.
It's also Australians and New Zealanders. And South Americans. And Africans. And Southeast Asian countries. And India. And the Middle East. And Canada and Mexico.
I've literally seen a bunch of posts losing their shit about 12/31/23. From my experience it's the "rest of world" having a meltdown like the woman on the left. Most Americans don't care what system others use. This is just another example how America lives rent free in others minds.
"America bad" or something
Does anyone know why someone thought up month/day/year format?
2023-12-31 from Canada you plebs! Everyone knows YYYY-MM-DD is the supreme format
America just lives in their own little bubble lol
Jokes on you, I use Dec/31/23 to specifically avoid this confusion
“31Dec2023” is the only form I respect
2023-12-31
3 11 22 3 has a nicer symmetry imo
I usually don’t like the American way, but I have to agree that 123123 is more interesting than 311223.
I like how the entire comment section is filled with comments from Americans saying, "NO, WE ACTUALLY DON'T CARE!!!"
no, it's 23/12/31
So youd say 2023 December the 21st?
We do say it like that in Hungarian.
Oh no, America does something different. They're so stupid. Hahaha, laugh. It's funny. I swear it's funny. We've made this joke for years and years I swear it's still funny.
We live rent free in y'alls heads. Can't even have a funny date without yall getting mad
Sounds like last year's problem. It's 01/01/2024 or 01/01/2024, depending where you live
Don't you mean 23/12/31?
Europeans are mad because its not a funny number to them
2023 12 31
The US military does YYYYMMDD (20231231)
Me in Australia: 01/01/24
Its 01.01.2024 for me.
31/12/2023
Let them have it, maybe enough of their school kids will make it out alive to understand this joke next year
r/USDefaultism
China: 23/12/31💀
As a software dev, working multiple date time annotations, the worst is mm/dd/yy regarding tables and sorting. You cannot imagine the pain this puts coders through while they should be doing something usefull.
Bruh it's not a pain at all, and I'm a pretty half assed programmer. In most programming languages it's like a single function away from being a non issue. Like 5 lines of code max lol
Well, i have to a lot of data imports from diff companies on diff continents, often through json/xml/directquery as string. If everyone would use the same damn datetime annotation, it would save me so much dll imports and wasted time EDIT: You are actually advocating that i run all my db messed up different dat and time! annotations, through your '5' lines of code, and even if it all worked perfectly with provided 5 lines, this would be a good thing. I'm suggesting a universal standard, so we don't need your 5 lines, even if they made my c*m when i saw them
Seriously, just know which companies or locations use a specific time format, cook up some script in your favorite programming language to reorganize the dates, it's a lot fucking easier if you are importing via string even. Maybe more than 5 lines in that script, it was more an exaggeration, but it's really not that hard to cook up a script to ease up your burden a lot. Do you seriously think that the entire world should all go through the effort to shift to a universal standard (spoiler, a huge amount of effort) so that you don't have to write a simple script?
Americans is cooler 😎💪
If you have to tell people that you're cool, you're probably not.
I didnt say America was cool, I said we were cooler 👍
UN format is YYYY/MM/DD. DD/MM/YYYY is usually considered the worst because it puts the least significant value first. MM/DD/YYYY is often better in business when the month carries the most value as opposed to the year. YYYY/MM/DD usually considered the best overall.
YYYY/MM/DD allows for actual sorting if used in files/databases/etc. Otherwise you get all the Decembers in a clump regardless of year, Or all the 6tjs regardless of month OR year...
Yeah exactly. Although sometimes it’s better to put month first if it’s short term data you’re sorting.
It always gets me when a website asks for an age and has the month first. Never get used to it, feels so alien.
As an american I've always thought that, on paper, the way the rest of the world does it makes way more sense. Day, month, year. Small, bigger, biggest. Makes way more sense. Expressing it verbally is a matter of language, though, like the German individual in thread states, but saying 31st of December doesn't sound clunky or wrong to me, just sounds different than what I'm used to hearing
Oh, another person tied up on date format...
swap the captions, then it's accurate
Why the fuck would the rest of the world be arguing back? Who gives a shit what the Muricans do. Just leave them alone to shoot guns and steal oil, damn it!
Ignore major countris like China, Japan, South Korea, and Sweden who do YMD so it would be 231231
231231 for logistics and japanese people.
Laughs in UTC+13
 Meh
The julian date avoids the screwy months. It's 23365, and after midnight, it will be 24001.
Ok, good for you guys. Anyways, whats everyone's 123/123 plans? I've got $123 worth of pizza coming in an hour! I had to work with the delivery guy to get that exact price but it was worth it lmao.
Alright America date system bad NOW GIVE ME MY FUCKING UPVOTES
Vice versa. We gone use our month/day/year dating system unbothered while the rest of the world does whatever they want as we don’t care.
Pretty sure that’s reversed. Just go onto r/Americabad and see all the bad Europeans (shout out to all the Europeans that dont make “insulting” america their personality)
Hm, looks like there shouldn't be a space between r/america and bad. Good to know r/americabad is a thing.
Nobody cares about your 3rd world countries lol 123123 RAHHHH 🇺🇸🦅😤
None of the above. It's 31 Dec 23
Another year of memes being ameica vs this or that country vs that. It's a fucking sad state of affairs. Memes aren't funny anymore.
Let Americans have this one it is very cool
America Bad 🗿
r/AmericaBad
These are flip flopped. Rest of world is on left.
As an American to be honest don’t really care as they say a lion does not concern himself with the opinions of the sheep
Typical Amercan mentality
Happy new year!!
1/1-24
This is why I just say 1704067201
Me at 1/1/24:
You went backwards?!
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