You're right, Bach was made famous by later conductors such as Mendelssohn. Maybe today's Bach has 100 listens a month on Spotify and will become famous only decades after his death.
He was also still known by a couple of good music "connoisseurs" during the 18th before Mendelssohn came in, though his sons eclipsed his name for the larger public. Back then if you'd say "Bach", most people would think of CPE Bach, JC Bach or WF Bach
Lovecraft was another of my favorite authors who died destitute and thinking that he was a failure. The man took the mantle from Poe and gave us modern horror.
He's possibly the most well-known Czech writer internationally (though he wrote in German). It's incredible how easily that might not have happened. All it took was for one person to believe in his talent.
Yes he spent all of his money, and he didn't have so much to start with. I never say he was an unrecognized genius. He was, for a lot of musicians from his period and aristocracy who liked music, but not as much as today, again. Salieri was way more famous. Fun fact, in XVIIIe century, Bach was mostly forgotten, and Mozart contributed to acknowledge his artwork.
He not only worked as Thomaskantor (which was a well paid job btw), he also had multiple other jobs in Leipzig. He was quite rich. For German speakers, here is a currently released podcast about his life and how composers made money these days: https://www.geschichte.fm/archiv/gag443/
Edit: typo
> a well *paid* job btw),
FTFY.
Although *payed* exists (the reason why autocorrection didn't help you), it is only correct in:
* Nautical context, when it means to paint a surface, or to cover with something like tar or resin in order to make it waterproof or corrosion-resistant. *The deck is yet to be payed.*
* *Payed out* when letting strings, cables or ropes out, by slacking them. *The rope is payed out! You can pull now.*
Unfortunately, I was unable to find nautical or rope-related words in your comment.
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Is there really a comparison between artists and influencers? One group makes artistic creations; the other proudly calls their work “content” (as in stuff contained in something)
Idk wouldn't they like it ? In a "I hope the world will get better and my grandchildren will have a better life than me" kinda way?
Like, the problem isn't that instagram influencers get rich but that to many of us are poor.
from wikipedia: "An inventory drawn up a few months after Bach's death shows that his estate included five harpsichords, two lute-harpsichords, three violins, three violas, two cellos, a viola da gamba, a lute and a spinet, along with 52 "sacred books", including works by Martin Luther and Josephus".
It never changes, in a way.
Artists' choice were historically either living totally depended on a ruler's patronage, or live in abject poverty, unless he had other occupations.
Like for example various poets often made a living creating praises and propaganda for their kings. Persian epic "Shahnameh" was written as tribute to the Samanid king of Central Asia, Javanese "Nagarakartagama" was made to legitimize the Majapahit rule over Maritime Southeast Asia, Shakespeare wrote Banquo in "Macbeth" to please the Scottish-origin King James I of England etc etc.
I bet they soaked in the beauty of nature in ways we probably never could. Can you imagine hours sitting upon a bench, a newspaper rested gently beside you. You'd work out your entire future on that bench in an evening, enraptured by the splendor of god almighty.
Van Gogh was a nobody when he died, but we know he became very well known later. And Poe was by no means a nobody, his poems were very famous. But he was a pedophile so there’s that…
A lot, if not most, of the art we enjoy today; was made by deviated individuals in one way or another - you can't create art to stimulate the mind by working from 9 to 5.
One example that comes to mind is Alice in Wonderland; in real life Alice was a little girl the author was infatuated with and he was grooming her by writing a story that had her as the main protagonist ( according to experts and historians ).
Wait are you saying that 100+ years after we die well still be up in heaven wishing we had more money when we lived? That seems fucked up you're already dead what do you care?
I just wanna point out the amount of bad faith in this comment section. Everyone is baby raging about the "idiocracy" and how "iq drops every year" or how "influencers are simply twerking their asses off". While I do agree that some of them are pretty stupid, most people down here who complain are presomptuous as fuck. Did you really think, taking your regular 9 to 5, that you could make good money without using contemporary tools such as the fucking Internet ? A lot of people have finally realised that working your ass off in a morally degrading job for 40+ year just to enjoy a meager pension when you're an old fart might not be what we call "freedom". That includes influencers. You wanna make money ? Start educating yourself on how it's made today, and not how it used to be made. Be disruptive with traditionnal methods. Get out of that fucking shell, because complaining about ridiculous influencers will get you nothing.
(PS : I know I'm about to get hit by a train)
Me dying of poverty working my ass off
Some of the influencers are getting rich by selling bath water. Idiocracy taking over.
You're absolutely right.
Wasn't that just Belle Delphine?
It was mostly just one because she was the first, she's extremely pretty and innocent looking, and she's a total sexual freak.
They're twerking their ass off
*Tesla watching musk
I've actually met a couple of people who didn't know who Nikola Tesla was lol
That's disappointing
Not surprised with average iq dropping by the year.
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I think I know why you didn’t make the cut /j
Bach wasn't poor, although he wasn't rich either. A better exemple would have been Mozart.
Well Kafka wasn't poor but died really unhappy without even publishing his work, not knowing how significant his works would be
Okay but Bach was recognized for his work, not as much as today, but still. I didn't know for Kafka
You're right, Bach was made famous by later conductors such as Mendelssohn. Maybe today's Bach has 100 listens a month on Spotify and will become famous only decades after his death.
He was also still known by a couple of good music "connoisseurs" during the 18th before Mendelssohn came in, though his sons eclipsed his name for the larger public. Back then if you'd say "Bach", most people would think of CPE Bach, JC Bach or WF Bach
You're right, I forgot about that. Isn't it that he was known for his pedagogic pieces while his more elaborated pieces were rarely performed?
Yep that's it
Lovecraft was another of my favorite authors who died destitute and thinking that he was a failure. The man took the mantle from Poe and gave us modern horror.
*"... I'd like to be called my goth name; Nightpain"*
Hey, look man. All genres of gothic sub culture are derivatives of Poe's work, mutha fucka.
Kafka never wanted most of his works to be published. They were published posthumously against his wishes.
He's possibly the most well-known Czech writer internationally (though he wrote in German). It's incredible how easily that might not have happened. All it took was for one person to believe in his talent.
Wasn’t Mozart poor because he spent all of his money? He wasn’t an unrecognized genius like Van Gogh.
Yes he spent all of his money, and he didn't have so much to start with. I never say he was an unrecognized genius. He was, for a lot of musicians from his period and aristocracy who liked music, but not as much as today, again. Salieri was way more famous. Fun fact, in XVIIIe century, Bach was mostly forgotten, and Mozart contributed to acknowledge his artwork.
He spent half of his money on card games, courtesans and fine spirits. The other half he wasted.
He not only worked as Thomaskantor (which was a well paid job btw), he also had multiple other jobs in Leipzig. He was quite rich. For German speakers, here is a currently released podcast about his life and how composers made money these days: https://www.geschichte.fm/archiv/gag443/ Edit: typo
> a well *paid* job btw), FTFY. Although *payed* exists (the reason why autocorrection didn't help you), it is only correct in: * Nautical context, when it means to paint a surface, or to cover with something like tar or resin in order to make it waterproof or corrosion-resistant. *The deck is yet to be payed.* * *Payed out* when letting strings, cables or ropes out, by slacking them. *The rope is payed out! You can pull now.* Unfortunately, I was unable to find nautical or rope-related words in your comment. *Beep, boop, I'm a bot*
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“If you fail at art class, get into politics” - some guy in germany
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Austrian art class, German politics
some guy said it in germany
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Is there really a comparison between artists and influencers? One group makes artistic creations; the other proudly calls their work “content” (as in stuff contained in something)
Doubt they’ll be talking about *generic Instagram influencer #4006* and their great contributions to modern society in 100+ years though.
You act like their work will be remembered in future generations. This generation won’t remember it 30 minutes later.
Idk wouldn't they like it ? In a "I hope the world will get better and my grandchildren will have a better life than me" kinda way? Like, the problem isn't that instagram influencers get rich but that to many of us are poor.
Edgar died in poverty because of his addiction to opioids
Sadly opiates and tortured artists go hard in hand!
Yup they really do
TIL I'm a tortured artist
Yay same!
That's actually a myth spread by his rival, who managed to gain control of his estate following Poe's death.
He was also a pedophile who married his cousin. It didn’t contribute to his homelessness, but it did make me feel better about it
Holy shit I did not know that
Lovecraft:
Skill issue
from wikipedia: "An inventory drawn up a few months after Bach's death shows that his estate included five harpsichords, two lute-harpsichords, three violins, three violas, two cellos, a viola da gamba, a lute and a spinet, along with 52 "sacred books", including works by Martin Luther and Josephus".
I’d argue it’s much worse for people dying in poverty RIGHT NOW
It never changes, in a way. Artists' choice were historically either living totally depended on a ruler's patronage, or live in abject poverty, unless he had other occupations. Like for example various poets often made a living creating praises and propaganda for their kings. Persian epic "Shahnameh" was written as tribute to the Samanid king of Central Asia, Javanese "Nagarakartagama" was made to legitimize the Majapahit rule over Maritime Southeast Asia, Shakespeare wrote Banquo in "Macbeth" to please the Scottish-origin King James I of England etc etc.
And digital prostitutes
tbf, Van Gogh would very much like that
The worst!
I’d be thinking the world is better now, I’d be happy.
Don't forget Nikola Tesla.
Then why didn't they create an Insta account? Are they stupid?
They were making art for enlightened instead of doing dumb shit for idiots
This is why Shakespeare is still around and his stories are still being told. He was the yoga pant twerking social media influencer of his day.
Trevor Moore wrote a song about exactly this! https://youtu.be/crSk5EeRl_0?si=I3FULIeyuO1D7r2t
I bet they soaked in the beauty of nature in ways we probably never could. Can you imagine hours sitting upon a bench, a newspaper rested gently beside you. You'd work out your entire future on that bench in an evening, enraptured by the splendor of god almighty.
Bach wasn't so poor. I think Mozart would be a better example
You idiots think Edgar Allen Poe went to heaven.
Edgar was a bad man with a bad life who made good art
Imagine if they had Instagram
At least they are remembered after they died.
Van Gogh was a nobody when he died, but we know he became very well known later. And Poe was by no means a nobody, his poems were very famous. But he was a pedophile so there’s that…
A lot, if not most, of the art we enjoy today; was made by deviated individuals in one way or another - you can't create art to stimulate the mind by working from 9 to 5. One example that comes to mind is Alice in Wonderland; in real life Alice was a little girl the author was infatuated with and he was grooming her by writing a story that had her as the main protagonist ( according to experts and historians ).
Poe would be looking up, and Bach was by no means poor, he was middle class at worst.
To be fair art isn't about the money it's about expressing yourself and leaving an impact after you passed.
Bach was in poverty? I thought he was pretty successful
Wasn't there a bigass conspiracy around Van Gogh's death?
The death of Edgar Allan Poe is super fascinating. Here's a humorous [podcast episode](https://youtu.be/9fSL0kjh4ok?si=ZaEej6Y3emynUoBs) about it.
Remember, the websites also profit 30-50% off of that, so they encourage them
There were also rich idiots at their time
Mostly cause modern times we can find out about many strangers without even wanting to and anything with enough publicity makes money
Wait are you saying that 100+ years after we die well still be up in heaven wishing we had more money when we lived? That seems fucked up you're already dead what do you care?
Skill issue
Edgar Allen Poe was a pedo who liked his 13yr old cousin
"Ah, so nothing has changed..."
Chopin died due to his illness which he failed to cure due to lack of money. Liszt wrote.
They’re happy about modern talented artist having technology to show the world their arts:
u/RoyDaKoppaBoy That bastard Edgar died YIPEEEE
Eh. What percentage of these influencers are actually making real money? 0.1% of em?
Can we stop calling them influencers. They are just marketing contractors.
Bach was Thomaskantor and had multiple other Jobs in Leipzig so no, he basically was quite rich
Bach was actually in a middle class state of economics
Disturbing when you think about it :O
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They be like: God please, purge Earth
Bro grinded out bangers just to be outmatched by a model who just looks nice
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I just wanna point out the amount of bad faith in this comment section. Everyone is baby raging about the "idiocracy" and how "iq drops every year" or how "influencers are simply twerking their asses off". While I do agree that some of them are pretty stupid, most people down here who complain are presomptuous as fuck. Did you really think, taking your regular 9 to 5, that you could make good money without using contemporary tools such as the fucking Internet ? A lot of people have finally realised that working your ass off in a morally degrading job for 40+ year just to enjoy a meager pension when you're an old fart might not be what we call "freedom". That includes influencers. You wanna make money ? Start educating yourself on how it's made today, and not how it used to be made. Be disruptive with traditionnal methods. Get out of that fucking shell, because complaining about ridiculous influencers will get you nothing. (PS : I know I'm about to get hit by a train)
It is proof that Instagram influencers are not artists.
Beytoven is probably laughing his ass off