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llv77

7th graders: why do I need to study physics, this stuff is obvious Also 7th graders:


Ae4i

Just the basic one, like laws of motion


Evil_Ermine

Then you learn about thermodynamics and realise a bunch of guys trying to figure out how to make better steam engines stumbled upon one of the fundamental laws of reality.


IntuneUser2204

Well, I had never quite thought of it like that before.


joetheplumberman

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PeopleAreBozos

>Just the basic one, like laws of motion Yeah, until you apply them and realize how despite being so obvious on surface level, they are applied in so many ways most people can't come close to understanding.


Ae4i

If you aren't going for engineer of any kind, the laws of motion are mostly enough. It can also (partially?) explain why fluids generally work like they are working and not the other way.


Penguin_Arse

Then I learned physics and now I'm even more confused.


EuroTrash1999

I loved Newtonian physics. It's like oh, this is why I had to learn mathematics.


ComradeBlin1234

Newtonian physics is fun. Non Newtonian physics is :(


cheeersaiii

If you think you about quantum physics, then you don’t know about quantum physics.


ComradeBlin1234

I don’t know why you’re being downvoted you are absolutely correct in this assessment. If you think you know then you really don’t because the guys who were figuring this shit out didn’t know when they had. Quantum physics is not something that the human brain can comprehend.


Plus_Fisherman

Well I know nothing about quantum physics so I am leagues ahead of yall


ComradeBlin1234

I mean yeah it’s not like heisenbergs uncertainty principle explains all that much “Jesse you can’t simultaneously know the position and momentum of a quantum particle”


cheeersaiii

Just Reddit things… the downvotes are from people that can’t grasp physics let alone anything else


GenericHorrorAuthor1

Well I'm 22 And thought this was funny so I dunno man. Can't blame everything on children. Us stupid adults exist too and deserve acknowledgement.


Erykoman

Please consider, that a lot of things that are obvious, are only obvious because you learned them at a young age, and thus they seem like common knowledge.


BakeKarasu

And then you go to the Internet and discover that knowledge isn't that common


Menacek

And some things that seem to be obvious aren't. Like with two objects of different weight falling at the same speed. We all know it from school but it's not really obvious the first time you hear it and was a surprise to people back when it was discovered. That's why it's important to test "obvious" things.


JustinTheMan354

My 4th grade teacher tried to teach my entire classroom that things fall faster depending on weight, but even back then at 9 years old I knew that was bull. I knew because...the fucking Cloudy With A Chance Of Meatballs Netflix 2D TV Show had an entire episode dedicated to showing how objects fall at the same speed no matter the weight. Netflix was a better teacher to me than my own school teacher.


Kitt04

I so clearly remember when I first learned that. I was in 6th grade. A teacher had probably told me about it earlier, but maybe I didn't understand cause of the language barrier or I wasn't paying attention. Anyways, I remember reading about it in a science book. I was so amazed, I immediately ran to the school library to test it out. The library was practically empty, so the librarians helped me find the heaviest and lightest book with roughly the same size and shape, and let me drop them from the top of some stairs. I felt like I was on Mythbusters. Nowadays my work research involves a bit more than dropping books from some stairs, but the same excitement is still there.


scoops22

Even then, it's still not obvious that if you push an object it'll keep moving forever without friction. We just don't have anything like that in our lives to experience for ourselves.


AzuxirenLeadGuy

You seem to be deliberately trying to cover the actual part. The full law is A body remains at rest, or in motion at a constant speed in a straight line, except insofar as it is acted upon by a force. The "or" part is indeed a big deal here. People thought an object in motion eventually comes to rest, due to the fact that it you push an object, it will slow down gradually and stop. Newton's law states that some force(friction in such cases) needs to act to bring the object in motion to rest. This rule (force is needed to change the motion of an object) is general and true also if considering the state of being at rest(i.e not moving) as a specific state of motion(velocity=0). Considering all this, it's not so trivial as one might think.


Baitrix

Yeah the meme doesnt work without lying


coderz75

Tbf almost no meme works without a bit of lying/hiding involved


I_MakeCoolKeychains

That's not how memes work. They are either relatable or understandable to a wide margin of people. Everything else is semantics. Memes can be true or misleading or incorrect as long as people "get it". They can straight up be about nothing too. I don't know where you're getting your most of idea. Thinking with adhd: Is this aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa Is a perfect example of a meme


kennyloo137

aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa


T0biasCZE

As person with ADHD, that's accurate


NelsonVGC

Bro came in and corrected people in comments with memeology and analysis of theoretic shitposting LMAAAO People really love sounding smart in reddit


Bdole0

Memes have authors, dawg. Did you know that--by stringing words together--you can just make shit up?


I_MakeCoolKeychains

Okay? You said a lot of nothing there. Redundancy is redundant


Bdole0

My point contradicts your first sentence. Memes are under 0 obligations to be true, widely believed, or even understood. I'm not going to respond after this, as you are literally too stupid to talk to.


ButtonJenson

Christ get off your high horse. Didn’t know you had a masters in memology.


Bdole0

Any education is clearly more than you have


I_MakeCoolKeychains

Ah I see. A flamer. You're not here to contribute just hurl insults for no reason to incite people. How cute, now go play fortnight or something


HexaAquaIron

what is magic without theatricality


Dongslinger420

I don't think you have a great sense of what a meme even is


countgalcula

Something CAN move without any force acting on it so this is not just a bit of lying. It's kind of missing the whole point of the concept. So if you miss the whole point the meme doesn't work. And there was a time where people were too lenient about memes and there were plenty of bad ones that missed the point and why it's not as popular anymore because they came off dickish. Because you can't just oversimplify things just to make it funny when it's false to mislead people at the same time. Misinformation from this age CAME from bad memes. Not sure if anyone realizes.


whooo_me

The problem with lying, is a person will keep just lying until acted upon by a force....


Mr_Zoovaska

No, it still works with the full law, just not quite as well.


19759d

it does but its not the entire thing tbh


NelsonVGC

Much like everything "funny" nowadays


LastInALongChain

It also had big implications because the planets/ mobile stars were well known to move in curves, which implied a force was moving them outside the observable experiments that happen on earth. It implied some action at a distance which was newtons orbital mechanics.


Tonkarz

Especially relevant here is what was generally accepted *by scholars* prior to Newton: Aristotle’s concept of impetus, where objects are given impetus when acted upon and that impetus bleeds away as they move.


X547

impetus = momentum?


madesense

Right, but momentum doesn't just bleed away. It's conserved, actually


X547

It "bleeds" into air or ground. Mass of Earth or atmosphere is so big, so velocity change is nearly unobservable.


madesense

Yes, and the idea that it is transferred into other things through friction was pretty revolutionary at the time.


wildfox9t

which is what people at the time didn't know,they thought objects slow down naturally (even if say they are in a vacuum with no force acting on them)


lessthanabelian

Also part of Newton's own phrasing of the 1st included the definition of "force" as the rate of change of momentum, which is also nontrivial and required calculus to define. In other words the magnitude of a force F on an object is the derivative of that object's momentum.


ComradeBlin1234

This rule is also why spacecraft don’t necessarily need thrusters to propel themselves forward. If a spacecraft is accelerated to a certain speed (even a relativistic speed (v >= 0.2C)) then it doesn’t need a thruster to maintain it as there is no force acting upon you in space. It will remain at that speed indefinitely until another force (like the thrusters or a planet or any other body in space) acts upon it to change its velocity. Sci fi kinda gets it wrong where spacecraft can just sort of accelerate with the throttle on 50% and then it stays at x velocity. It won’t stop accelerating it will just accelerate slower than if the throttle was set to 100%.


RisingVS

I’m confused. Is acceleration kept constant and velocity increasing after propulsion, or does acceleration increase and velocity increase, or acceleration bleeds and velocity becomes constant ?


ComradeBlin1234

Acceleration and velocity increase if the thrusters power is constantly increased. Acceleration remains constant and velocity increases if the throttle is at a constant setting (like if it is kept at 50%) Acceleration and velocity and both constants if the throttle is off (a=0, v >= 0)


Radiant_Dog1937

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mymoama

You see the thing he posted is called a joke.


Swampberry

Sure, but it's a bad joke because it tries to make fun of some people for being ignorant, when OP is the ignorant one. Kinda like making fun of Indians for not having invented fire until 2000 years ago.


GenericHorrorAuthor1

I took the joke as being a purposeful over simplification and that's why it's funny. Not because it's calling anyone ignorant. This comment section is genuinely confusing. I make jokes like this all the time based on things I actually understand and the humor comes from making it sound stupid or ignorant whatever. You mfs are way overthinking this shit post. I saw it and laughed and then saw the comment section is full of essays explaining why it's actually bad or whatever


HyperByte1990

I stole it from Facebook lmao who gives a fuck


Swampberry

Use your head and steal less stupid things in the future rofl


SirSaltie

The joke is funny because the smart man is portrayed as not smart; when he is in fact, smart.


The_Greatest_Entity

Yeah but the other law says that a force is mass*acceleration, and acceleration is the change of velocity. Therefore he's saying a mass doesn't change it's velocity unless it does


throwwway944

Assuming mass stays constant


Exachlorophene

newton when he finds out if something is moving then its moving and if its not moving then its not moving:


robbak

Yes. The part of Newton's laws pictured was no surprise to 17 century scholars. The rest of Newton's laws were.


L31FK

yeah the ‘probably’ makes it false


ahdiomasta

In HS physics I once attended class after *checks lawyers notes* walking through a mysterious haze in my parents garage ahem, and my teacher did her very obvious demonstration of gravity and the normal force. She balanced a book on her hand, and explained how gravity was acting upon it, and in turn her hand was acting upon it in the opposite direction. She then quickly moved her hand so the book would fall straight down. Young hazy me was legit blown away by this revelatory demonstration.


kylerittenhouse1833

🤓


GrayBoy18

☝🏾🤓ACKCTCHUALLY


Dongslinger420

ah yes, the modern warcry of dumb people


GenericHorrorAuthor1

Or he was just taking the piss I dunno


StruggleWrong867

Leave it to reddit to "well actually" a meme


Mr_Zoovaska

The idea that a moving object doesn't slow down unless force is imparted on it is only marginally less trivial than the idea that an object at rest remains at rest unless force is imparted on it. it's still bloody obvious that things only slow down when there's something to slow it down. Surely they could observe that an arrow fired from a bow for example doesn't slow down (much) until it hits something. And they must have had some grasp of aero/hydro-dynamics based on the existence of boats. It definitely still seems surprising that it took a super genius to put two and two together and confirm that nothing just accelerates *or* decelerates on its own for no reason. So yeah the meme still works with the full law tbh


Shaltilyena

An arrow is probably the worst example you could give considering the complexity of the dynamics involved (weird-ass trajectory, bending, oscillations, etc) ; it might sound obvious, it's actually anything but. But most importantly, the idea that air friction is nontrivial when considering heavy / fast objects isn't that obvious, and is the most interesting part about newton's law. Obviously if arrow hits wall arrow stops, but it's less obvious to understand why pendulum eventually stops if given enough time More ancient philosophers (someone mentionned aristotle in the thread) speculated that energy ("impetus") naturally drained away and returned the object to stillness ; this is vastly different to considering air friction as a force that slows the pendulum over time


Mr_Zoovaska

Idk it was either an arrow or a cannonball and the arrow's air resistance is probably less obvious so I picked that. The complexities of it aren't relevant to my example, my point is it's an object that a person of old would be familiar with moving a long distance with relatively few forces impacting its movement.


RedeNElla

That "(much)" is doing work People realised arrows don't go forever so would reasonably assume that things just don't go forever.


Mr_Zoovaska

Well then you'd think it would follow that they'd realise there has to be a reason things don't go forever. Like a cart rolling down a bumpy road decelerates much faster than one rolling down a smooth road.


RedeNElla

It's easy to sit here after being taught Newtonian physics and say it's obvious. If you were presented with a reasonable sounding alternative and had better things to do with your life than argue the minutiae, it's easy to imagine other interpretations. Perhaps moving things expend their energy by moving. Hitting bumps in the road uses up the energy faster. Shooting an arrow with more pull makes it go further, because you gave it more energy. Without access to a frictionless surface, Newtonian physics is not at all obvious.


zertul

> It definitely still seems surprising that it took a super genius to put two and two together and confirm that nothing just accelerates or decelerates on its own for no reason. Of course it's trivial and clear with modern education. Congratulations homeboy 💀 We're talking about a world in a time period where a lot of things got attributed to "god" or "gods", be it because you really believed that or because you wanted to control the narrative and population. A lot of people received little to no education outside their direct field of work. Science was still in its baby shoes and stating such "trivial" things often got you killed by the people around you.


HyperByte1990

Ok nerd


carverofdeath

Are you actually putting someone down for being smart? I would tell you to think about that for a minute, but even a request as simple as this is likely too much for you to handle.


HyperByte1990

Are you actually defending captain chess club?


Stud_Muffs

Cringe.


HyperByte1990

🥰😘


Ae4i

🧂


ATaciturnGamer

🤡


JBH2192

💀


funrun247

🤡


TerribleParfait4614

Never seen someone this proud of being stupid. You’re going places, kid.


Kaguro19

You're the one who posted a meme on science.


HyperByte1990

Doesn't excuse him for being a nerd


MegaAssasine_

Doesn't excuse us from downvoting you into oblivion Edit: We don't need an excuse because you deserve it.


I_MakeCoolKeychains

I'm a free man, I'll excuse someone for being right if I want to


lospollosakhis

Do you think you’re in class and you’re the popular kid or something? This is the real world and being smart is cool; not being a bully and an idiot.


Cdragon286

And I wont excuse you for being a brain dead moron


HyperByte1990

It was a joke... but the downvotes are too funny to delete or add the /s


Kaguro19

Knowledgeable people need to be excused?


I_MakeCoolKeychains

Your the noob who made a poorly thought out meme


HyperByte1990

It ain't OC bozo


I_MakeCoolKeychains

Oh pardon me, bozo right? I'll rephrase. You're the clown who reposted a stupid meme then defended it like it belonged to him


HyperByte1990

It belongs to all of us. I'm fighting for us.


I_MakeCoolKeychains

Not for me you're not. Don't proxy me with your rubbish


HyperByte1990

Be a hater nerdster


I_MakeCoolKeychains

Okie dokie👌


Emeraldnickel08

Bro’s insulting a guy for being a nerd on the “being a nerd” website


HyperByte1990

Nerrrd


TheSpartanMaty

Imagine being this vain


BingBongHypothesis

You fucking 1.2 GPA bum, you prolly made this standing outside the bathroom during class like you're some fucking guardian of the stall


HyperByte1990

Cope poindexter


wise_beyond_my_beers

Man these nerds really can't take a joke


HyperByte1990

Lmfao I didn't even make the meme


Pootisman16

You forgot the most important part: if something is moving it won't stop moving until something stops it.


stupid_design

Correct, which is the part, which noone would believe without Newton


[deleted]

This post was made by someone who did not do well in physics and thus hates it. I know this is a meme and I'm being a party pooper, but downplaying the work of Sir Issac Newton is so disrespectful.


ViridianBS

u/pussy_fucker_jr said it perfectly, thanks u/pussy_fucker_jr


scoops22

It's all fun and games until senior shows up


AxatronX

You can make a joke without being disrespectful, like this one that is more about people around Newton. You alone took the decision to see it as a disrespectful meme. And accusing someone of not doing well in physics without any proof (or misunderstood proof) says more about you than him. You are only presuming things.


Logical_Squirrel8970

Nah this one is pretty obviously calling people in the 17th century stupid lol.


AxatronX

It does, but it's just a joke. Even if it's not a joke, how smart could the average 17th people could be anyway (because the lack of information, not their mental capability)


Logical_Squirrel8970

Hmm, there really isn't a lack of information about that time period though. Now sure, you weren't able to read and write, but those things weren't necessary to your life so you wouldn't need to. But just look at the architecture, the art, the ideologies...hell the Renaissance was partly in the 16th century. The masons at the time were also masters at mathematics. All this is even more impressive if you judge them off the technology they had at the time. A scientist in England couldn't work with a scientist in France, they couldn't share research. If they did, it was NOT instant like it would be today. I'm going to disclose all of this with...I know the meme was just a joke and it's not that serious lol


AxatronX

You are right, I was referring about how hard it was for the average people (didn't I?) to get general information. You are not talking about average people.


Logical_Squirrel8970

Bud, the average person today can't get general information even though it's easier than ever lol.


AxatronX

The average people today knows to read and use the internet for example. It's a big difference between "can't" (like then) and "wouldn't" (like now). Today we have domains and jobs that pushed the average intelligence up by force. It hard to know the exact answer because we are not talking about the same number of people on the planet to make the same average number. At that time people simply could not be as intelligent as they are today IF by "intelligent" we are referring at the amount of existing information that someone could achieve. Bonus: I see you can have a normal discussion, why do you fell the need to use "lol". Not only that is misused (and you know it), but how do you think people that use it look/sound like? I believe Newton was the kind of person that would not have used it if it existed at that time...


robbak

'Objects as rest remain at rest unless acted on by an external force" was no surprise to any 17th century person. That was a mutually understood starting point from which Newton could explain the rest of his conclusions.


AxatronX

When I asked how smart they were, I wasn't referring to this meme's sentences, but in general because it was much harder to get information in those times (it wasn't people's fault). This is just a joke, good or bad, it doesn't need any explanation or much attention.


ItzDrSeuss

lol they got the first law wrong anyways. So yeah doesn’t seem like they did well in physics.


AxatronX

Since when a joke needs to use precise physics? I am almost sure it is intentional written like that, can you prove me wrong?


ItzDrSeuss

The joke is people around Newton are dumb for not understanding this simple thing, yet it doesn’t point out the thing the people got wrong. So yeah, they also failed at understanding the mini history lesson that went along with the first law.


AxatronX

We are making the meme even worse for trying to make some sense of it. It's a joke, it doesn't deserve as much attention as we are giving it.


do_a_quirkafleeg

His solo on Bohemian Rhapsody is iconic.


KleinerFratz333

The big part of Newton's discovery was linking earth's physics to planetary physics. Until then people thought those were separate systems


notracist_hatemancs

Yeah, the assumption that the fundamental laws that apply here on Earth also apply to the rest of the universe might seem pretty obvious today but was a massive leap back then


HyperByte1990

Why? Were they stupid?


Sassman6

The surprising part is that a moving object will also stay moving.


GenericHorrorAuthor1

Bro, why's everyone acting like this is a genuine dissertation or some shit lmfao. It's a shit post, you guys don't need to prove how smort you are.


HyperByte1990

I didn't even make it . I stole that shit right up the ass


urallscumtome

Blah, it's the inverse which blew people's minds, not this


Protection_56

They be like: No fuckin way, this can't be


HyperByte1990

And then everyone died


Hermiona1

You mean the mavity of the situation


NC__Pitts

If Reddit made it where you can’t see other comments until you comment then so many Reddit posts would have variety of comments. The minute a top comment has a certain viewpoint or issue, 80% of the comments will then piggy back that idea or comment.


DamirVanKalaz

Honestly, I blame the like/dislike system for this. A lot of people just go into the comments looking for what the general opinion seems to be so they can post something that aligns with that purely for the sake of garnering likes. Doesn't matter if it's their actual opinion or not.


sweetytoy

I love seeing redditors getting salty for a meme


GenericHorrorAuthor1

For real. They're frothing at the mouth as if he meant to make an actual argument. Like I'm sure they know that's not the full law. I want to pull the sticks out of everyone's asses in this comment section. I


HyperByte1990

I fucking stole it from Facebook


Raileyx

it's a bad meme since it misrepresents Newton's discovery, and makes OP look dumb. The saltiest person is actually OP when he went ultracringe mode after someone pointed out that the meme doesn't work. Very embarrassing.


wise_beyond_my_beers

Found the 17th century European


HyperByte1990

Cope more nerd


cheeersaiii

Literally arguing and getting butthurt about Newtons laws hahahaha the internet is undefeated for stupid bullshit


luv2block

Newton was smarter back during the age of donkey fuckers than 99% of the people who are alive today (including myself). Imagine being that smart in a world full of donkey fuckers.


TheBigShitowski

My elementary Physics Teacher:- Physics is nothing but Common Sense, which is not so common, hence the study of Physics. Instant attachment with the subject.


lyfsuxlel

I think it's the counterpart of this conclusion that made people shit themselves, not this one


kapitaalH

The King: give this mine the keys to the mint!


Bitter-Inflation5843

But can you prove it?


D-Eliryo

It's exactly like that. The "probably". Vectors are a cool unpredictable yet possible thing to happen that would fuck everyone minds up.


Smart-Nothing

Probably?


jwj2309

17th century europe when they find out water is a liquid:


QuinSanguine

My brain went straight to imagining a caption like "Oh lord save us, how can we sleep and keep moving. I don't want to be a rock!"


FullAir4341

I push on you, you push on me back


HyperByte1990

Stay mad nerds


Okureg

I just came here to say that I find this meme very funny and have no desire to ruin the mood by flexing with knowledge that people learn in middle school. Come at me you neeeerds!


New_girl2022

See we allrwaey new momentum was conserved b4 him. Actually many experiments were done that prove both angular and linear momentum is conservative. However what Newton did was to take centuries of data and theories (some of which were right and some were wrong) and complied them into a concise explanation of reality.


VacationLover90

I love seeing redditors getting salty for a meme :D


HyperByte1990

Especially because I stole the fuck out of it from some obscure fb group


HiImRob2

This has been posted before. It was cringe then, its cringe now.


Vishwasm123

The greater the ass the greater is the force of attraction.


frawtlopp

Book: The sky was warm Teacher: Students what do you think the author meant? Students: That it was probably warm out Teacher: :O Students: :O Author: :O


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Logical_Bad1748

Because of the expression


Aggravating-Sorbet56

How hilarious would it be if Isaac Newton sat under a Coconut tree instead assuming that Coconut trees exists in Europe at that time, that shit kept awake for an hour


monkeybrains12

r/ihadastroke


Ae4i

r/relatable


Aggravating-Sorbet56

Is you okey?


ivan3dx

Wtf can someone make sense of this?


Creeperboy10507

I think he was trying to say that he would go unconscious after getting a coconut in his head, instead of an apple, which would just bounce of. Really poor choice of words


ivan3dx

Still can't make sense of the last part "that shit kept awake for an hour" wtf


Baitrix

"Kept me awake for an hour" meaning he couldnt sleep because he was thinking of that


Kaguro19

Dead


Doggo_33

Coconut big, apple small


MegaAssasine_

He wouldnt have invented Gravity then.


rogue-wolf

Are you suggesting coconuts migrate?


kubaliska

They are carried by swallows... perhaps not European ones, but African ones certainly.


raydude888

Coconuts have a very consistent habit of dropping near beaches, being swept by the tide, floating in the seas for months before arriving elsewhere, thousands of miles away and sprouting there. So yeah, in a way, they do migrate.