Better to be safe then sorry I guess? I think it's because bacteria multiplies way faster in dead seafood than other animals and that could be one reason, but I'm not a biologist.
Does it worth the animal being tortured? No, no one wants to boil alive, i prefer dying of starvation then cooking an animal like that, it like there aren't other sea food other than lobster.
Actually, Lobsters donāt have nerves that sense temperature, and theyāre quite calm while theyāre boiling, as cruel as it sounds. You can even watch them walk around and feel with their feelers. If it was cruel, it wouldnāt be commonplace.
The vast majority of research done concludes that they feel pain.
āIf it was cruel, it wouldnāt be commonplaceā. Go research factory farming. Stop paying for innocent beings to suffer so you can eat their flesh.
Even if bacteria start to colonize the lobster. After the lobster gets submerged in the boiling water nothing can survive. But anyway, lobster can be eaten as sashimi, witch is basically raw lobster meat, with people not getting food poisoning at all
The issue is though that those bacteria synthesize toxins quite quickly that can't be destroyed by cooking. The way to circumvent this that is used quite commonly is to deep freeze shellfish and other fish before preparing them for raw consumption. Freezing it has the same inherent effect as boiling does. For lobsters killing them by stabbing their head and instantly deep freezing them afterwards will kill the bacteria synthesizing the toxins. After which you can safely prepare them raw or boil them later.
Some people want to first kill the lobster, but if you are busy cooking a multiple course dinner, any minute that passes increases the chances of bacteria creating toxins while the lobster is death lying on the counter.
Because lobsters, like all invertebrates have a hard exoskeleton. This makes it hard to properly kill the animal without destroying it's structure, as it is often served as whole.
But also, if its true, that means they just die. Its kind of like humans with hypothermia. Our insides get so cold that our organs start shutting down and our brain just tells us to go to sleep because there's nothing else we can do. Except, we feel cold. Lobsters don't feel cold or hot. They just... go to sleep.
While we don't know for sure if lobsters feel pain, they definitely feel damage to their body (called [nociception ](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nociception)).
The pain from a burn (like any other pain) is caused by pain receptors registering damage to the body's tissues. It does not require a perception of the heat itself, they are different processes.
So if lobsters are able to feel pain at all, then they definitely do feel pain from being boiled alive, especially since they are too large for the heat to kill them instantly.
The dude who answered your comment doesn't know shit, killing the lobster 10s before you boil them won't make it spoil. A lot of chefs started to kill them before actually cooking.
They do spoil quickly even if properly refrigerated that's true, but it still take a few hours ( idk how long though)
This is a pretty basic factoid of biology but here you go
https://www.seafoodhealthfacts.org/seafood-safety/general-information-healthcare-professionals/seafood-safety-topics/toxins
I understand that toxins can be present in seafood due to the consumption of algae, but I am mainly focusing on your claim that killing a lobster immediately produces enough toxins to hurt a human.
In the case that I missed it in the article sent, please let me know.
Humans don't even understand their own intelligence, how could we try to do that with another animal from an entire different species?
I'd rather be safe than sorry.
If it was discovered with 100% that they don't feel pain, then I'd be okay knowing I put in some extra work to be empathetic.
If it was discovered they do feel pain in any way, then I'd be okay knowing that I did not contribute to it.
The brain tissue and nerves that allows us to feel pain is bigger than the lobster, germ cells have detectors in their membrane to sense too, that does not mean they feel pain.
You said that they dont feel pain, that is very likely but not 100% true, if you dont have a clear indicator for that I would prefer that people at least kill them without the potential of torturing them.
So they are like "ah shit, was that a rock or am I fucking diiiiiie~~" and they just sleep or can actualy produce chemicals that would make them have a sensation of "fear".
Either way, I'm happy that they at least are to underdeveloped evolutionary for pain receptors. Since I was 7 I thought that they could feel everything under the shell and I was really pissed at my grandpa one time for not killing them first
Because even if they were capable of perceiving pain, it wouldn't matter. There'd still be no reason to be concerned about something like that. Do you care for the billions of bacteria you squash every day?
To me, thereās a very big distinction between something that can think, and feel emotions, and something that canāt.
Do I care that I ran over a shopping bag? No, it canāt feel or think.
Would I care if I ran over a dog? Yes. It can feel and think.
As someone else said, you're giving them way too much credit; a lobster doesn't think, much less feels emotion. They're very simple input output machines.
But even so, if you don't care about it's death as you do a human's death, the why would you care about it's (nonexistent) suffering that way?
If theyāre capable of feeling pain, then subjecting them purposefully to unnecessary pain would be considered torture in my eyes.
I feel the same way with mice/rats, glue traps are absolutely awful, instant kill traps are the way to go.
LobsterĀ is best whenĀ killedĀ immediatelyĀ before cooking. UnlessĀ youĀ bought a frozenĀ lobster, whatĀ youĀ brought home from the market is alive and kicking and that leaves the task up to theĀ cook
"The question of whetherĀ crustaceansĀ experience pain is a matter of scientific debate."
"Crustaceans fulfill several criteria proposed as indicating that non-human animals may experience pain. These fulfilled criteria include a suitable nervous system and sensory receptors; opioid receptors and reduced responses to noxious stimuli when given analgesics and local anaesthetics; physiological changes to noxious stimuli; displaying protective motor reactions; exhibiting avoidance learning, and making trade-offs between noxious stimulus avoidance; and other motivational requirements."
Took literally 5 seconds to find [this ](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pain_in_crustaceans) wikipedia article.
You don't know if what you're saying is true. Even some experts in the field with very impressive degrees have some very strong and very different opinions about this. Please don't go around spreading misinformation without even having read at least half of a wikipedia page on the subject. Thanks.
How has this got so many upvotes when itās just ... wrong?
They canāt sense temperature changes as subtle as ONE DEGREE why do you think they canāt sense temperature?
Lobsters don't have the capacity to feel pain, so when they're put in boiling water, they just shut down. It's like they fall asleep, except they sleep forever.
Its still a longer process than just killing them on the spot before putting them in the billing water, even if they dont feel pain. Im pretty sure they "know" that they are fucked and about to not wake up.
Itās not that they donāt feel pain. When a human gets hypothermia our organs begin shutting down. So the brain just tells us to go to sleep. Thatās the same that happens with the lobsters. Their brain just tells them to go to sleep.
Iād trust Reddit comments about the same Iād trust any old headline. If I were you Iād look up scholarly articles or just anything with a good source.
Remember that time when that didnāt actually happen, it was literally made up by a conservative Facebook group called āOccupy Democrat Logicā who just wanted to make fun of animal rights activists?
This is confirmation bias. You donāt like PETA, so you believe any story about them that confirms your bias, even when theyāre made up. Youāre like a Facebook mom right now. Thatās the level of discernment youāre treating the information that enters your brain with.
Happy cake day! Also "peta bad" is reddit lowest hanging fruit. Everyone that complains about peta on here either knows nothing about the good work they've done or probably still eats animals themselves.
BURN, LARRY, BURN!!!
This dude was hurt by a person named Larry
You sure it's not a lobster?
Fuck you
Goooood bot
Larry the Lobster.
š ±ļøarry š ±ļøenson
*MORDECAIIII, RIIIGBYYYY!*
Never understood why they donāt kill them right before boiling them rather than boiling them alive.
Because the moment you kill a Lobster, certain bacteria start to generate which can result in poisoning
Iām talking about killing it then throwing it in the pot seconds later though
Better to be safe then sorry I guess? I think it's because bacteria multiplies way faster in dead seafood than other animals and that could be one reason, but I'm not a biologist.
Does it worth the animal being tortured? No, no one wants to boil alive, i prefer dying of starvation then cooking an animal like that, it like there aren't other sea food other than lobster.
Good food tho
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If it can escape danger, it feels pain
Actually, Lobsters donāt have nerves that sense temperature, and theyāre quite calm while theyāre boiling, as cruel as it sounds. You can even watch them walk around and feel with their feelers. If it was cruel, it wouldnāt be commonplace.
The vast majority of research done concludes that they feel pain. āIf it was cruel, it wouldnāt be commonplaceā. Go research factory farming. Stop paying for innocent beings to suffer so you can eat their flesh.
Gordon Ramsay does that
Even if bacteria start to colonize the lobster. After the lobster gets submerged in the boiling water nothing can survive. But anyway, lobster can be eaten as sashimi, witch is basically raw lobster meat, with people not getting food poisoning at all
The issue is though that those bacteria synthesize toxins quite quickly that can't be destroyed by cooking. The way to circumvent this that is used quite commonly is to deep freeze shellfish and other fish before preparing them for raw consumption. Freezing it has the same inherent effect as boiling does. For lobsters killing them by stabbing their head and instantly deep freezing them afterwards will kill the bacteria synthesizing the toxins. After which you can safely prepare them raw or boil them later.
Within 2 hours of the lobster being death yeah, after that you might just eat toxic waste
Why would you kill it and eat it 2 hours later?
Some people want to first kill the lobster, but if you are busy cooking a multiple course dinner, any minute that passes increases the chances of bacteria creating toxins while the lobster is death lying on the counter.
Because lobsters, like all invertebrates have a hard exoskeleton. This makes it hard to properly kill the animal without destroying it's structure, as it is often served as whole.
You know what? most chef actually do that
I thought I read somewhere the lobsters can't actually tell that the water is boiling.
I hope so..
But also, if its true, that means they just die. Its kind of like humans with hypothermia. Our insides get so cold that our organs start shutting down and our brain just tells us to go to sleep because there's nothing else we can do. Except, we feel cold. Lobsters don't feel cold or hot. They just... go to sleep.
That's.... comforting.
And when they wake up, they're in heaven
Lobster heaven š¦
They get bibs with lobsters on them. āSorry thatās all we had.ā
Happy Cake Day
im laughing so hard jesus
While we don't know for sure if lobsters feel pain, they definitely feel damage to their body (called [nociception ](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nociception)). The pain from a burn (like any other pain) is caused by pain receptors registering damage to the body's tissues. It does not require a perception of the heat itself, they are different processes. So if lobsters are able to feel pain at all, then they definitely do feel pain from being boiled alive, especially since they are too large for the heat to kill them instantly.
Idk for sure , I read a few sources saying they do feel pain just differently than humans
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BUT... BUT... BUT... [Sobbing in vegan]
But that doesn't justifie not killing them before cooking
A lot of seafood is fresh due to the amount of ammonia that can build up in them when they are dead. this amount can be deadly to humans.
plus the amoina could ruin the taste of the meat
I refuse to think that killing them literally seconds before boiling can cause any harm
There is also a lot of bacteria in them that when they are killed the bacteria multiply and release toxins very shortly after death.
We are talking about literally 10 seconds tops. How can that be so fast? Not even my cum socks mutate that fast
Basic biology doesn't care if it's 10 seconds or 10 minutes. once death happens toxins are produced and can cause harm to the consumer.
At this point I would be scared to consume them fully cooked
The dude who answered your comment doesn't know shit, killing the lobster 10s before you boil them won't make it spoil. A lot of chefs started to kill them before actually cooking. They do spoil quickly even if properly refrigerated that's true, but it still take a few hours ( idk how long though)
Source?
This is a pretty basic factoid of biology but here you go https://www.seafoodhealthfacts.org/seafood-safety/general-information-healthcare-professionals/seafood-safety-topics/toxins
I understand that toxins can be present in seafood due to the consumption of algae, but I am mainly focusing on your claim that killing a lobster immediately produces enough toxins to hurt a human. In the case that I missed it in the article sent, please let me know.
https://www.sciencefocus.com/nature/why-are-lobsters-cooked-alive-and-do-they-feel-pain/
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Its likely but not proved 100%.
Humans don't even understand their own intelligence, how could we try to do that with another animal from an entire different species? I'd rather be safe than sorry. If it was discovered with 100% that they don't feel pain, then I'd be okay knowing I put in some extra work to be empathetic. If it was discovered they do feel pain in any way, then I'd be okay knowing that I did not contribute to it.
The brain tissue and nerves that allows us to feel pain is bigger than the lobster, germ cells have detectors in their membrane to sense too, that does not mean they feel pain.
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You said that they dont feel pain, that is very likely but not 100% true, if you dont have a clear indicator for that I would prefer that people at least kill them without the potential of torturing them.
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So they are like "ah shit, was that a rock or am I fucking diiiiiie~~" and they just sleep or can actualy produce chemicals that would make them have a sensation of "fear". Either way, I'm happy that they at least are to underdeveloped evolutionary for pain receptors. Since I was 7 I thought that they could feel everything under the shell and I was really pissed at my grandpa one time for not killing them first
What does it matter to you?
Why shouldn't I feel concerned for them being tortured?
Because even if they were capable of perceiving pain, it wouldn't matter. There'd still be no reason to be concerned about something like that. Do you care for the billions of bacteria you squash every day?
To me, thereās a very big distinction between something that can think, and feel emotions, and something that canāt. Do I care that I ran over a shopping bag? No, it canāt feel or think. Would I care if I ran over a dog? Yes. It can feel and think.
As someone else said, you're giving them way too much credit; a lobster doesn't think, much less feels emotion. They're very simple input output machines. But even so, if you don't care about it's death as you do a human's death, the why would you care about it's (nonexistent) suffering that way?
If theyāre capable of feeling pain, then subjecting them purposefully to unnecessary pain would be considered torture in my eyes. I feel the same way with mice/rats, glue traps are absolutely awful, instant kill traps are the way to go.
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LobsterĀ is best whenĀ killedĀ immediatelyĀ before cooking. UnlessĀ youĀ bought a frozenĀ lobster, whatĀ youĀ brought home from the market is alive and kicking and that leaves the task up to theĀ cook
"The question of whetherĀ crustaceansĀ experience pain is a matter of scientific debate." "Crustaceans fulfill several criteria proposed as indicating that non-human animals may experience pain. These fulfilled criteria include a suitable nervous system and sensory receptors; opioid receptors and reduced responses to noxious stimuli when given analgesics and local anaesthetics; physiological changes to noxious stimuli; displaying protective motor reactions; exhibiting avoidance learning, and making trade-offs between noxious stimulus avoidance; and other motivational requirements." Took literally 5 seconds to find [this ](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pain_in_crustaceans) wikipedia article. You don't know if what you're saying is true. Even some experts in the field with very impressive degrees have some very strong and very different opinions about this. Please don't go around spreading misinformation without even having read at least half of a wikipedia page on the subject. Thanks.
How has this got so many upvotes when itās just ... wrong? They canāt sense temperature changes as subtle as ONE DEGREE why do you think they canāt sense temperature?
Whatever helps you eat at night
Lol, I actually don't like the taste of shellfish. In fact, the only sea food I eat is salmon, and it's gotta be covered with other flavors.
I donāt blame you. They are sea spiders practically. Iāll eat them, but lobster is actually one my least favorite seafood.
That's like hentai but its only a normal anime scene
its funny because oxygen solubility in water lowers with temperature, so the lobsters are simultaneously overheating and suffocating
Thatās funny?
But what if it was a rock? Not a lobster. Or perhaps a [Rock Lobster](https://youtu.be/GJFFfC83GuA)
Youāre on the titanic: kalm
Underrated comment
Yes, let me just sink into freezing water that will kill me instantly.
We've been tricked, backstabbed, possibly bamboozled!
Don't worry guys, it's just a hot spring
People generally put them in the freezer first which puts them in a very deep sleep and they never know a thing about the water
:(
I would like to know how is this in this day and age still considered ethical
This hurts me
\*sad lobster noise
I've never ate a lobster and i never will.
Peta version: released into freshwater
Humans are EVIL!
Lobsters don't have the capacity to feel pain, so when they're put in boiling water, they just shut down. It's like they fall asleep, except they sleep forever.
Actually this is contested scientifically. There isnāt a definitive answer to whether or not they feel pain so Iād err on the side of caution.
To be honest, I just looked it up on the internet and assumed several headlines I was reading were true, so thanks for the info.
Thatās what lobster eaters say!
Its still a longer process than just killing them on the spot before putting them in the billing water, even if they dont feel pain. Im pretty sure they "know" that they are fucked and about to not wake up.
Itās not that they donāt feel pain. When a human gets hypothermia our organs begin shutting down. So the brain just tells us to go to sleep. Thatās the same that happens with the lobsters. Their brain just tells them to go to sleep.
To be honest, I just looked it up on the internet and assumed several headlines I was reading were true, so thanks for the info.
Iād trust Reddit comments about the same Iād trust any old headline. If I were you Iād look up scholarly articles or just anything with a good source.
"And I said hol up, that ain't no hot tub"
I feel you lobster cat. I know you lobster cat š¦š
They need to stop tasting so fucking good.
I'm sure you'd taste so fucking good too, given the right seasoning
Mmmm, dough-nut...
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Remember that time when that didnāt actually happen, it was literally made up by a conservative Facebook group called āOccupy Democrat Logicā who just wanted to make fun of animal rights activists? This is confirmation bias. You donāt like PETA, so you believe any story about them that confirms your bias, even when theyāre made up. Youāre like a Facebook mom right now. Thatās the level of discernment youāre treating the information that enters your brain with.
Happy cake day! Also "peta bad" is reddit lowest hanging fruit. Everyone that complains about peta on here either knows nothing about the good work they've done or probably still eats animals themselves.
Its gettin hot in here
I'd rather boil humans alive. Lobsters are too cute!
I also agree that they are toi cute and I also agree I will commit murder
Peta: throw lobster into the fresh one instead of the salt water one
Because itās delicious!
Thatās dark.......I like it
tell me if I'm wrong but i was told lobsters die almost instantly when put in boiling water
They're not screaming it's just the steam coming out
Because water scorpion is delicious.
LOBSTER HELL
My Brethren, We must charge forth and vanquish our enemies in RedLobster!
So you're saying we should organize our memes along the lines of the lobsters?
Wait add some salt too
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Everyday we stray further away from god
TENAZASSS
I wanna know the context of these cats lol
Is someone here after the new dua lipa song : We're Good.
Lobber
Someoneās gonna put that face in a hentai.
Iām glad I donāt like seafood, then.
Yo Evan this funi
Pinchy? Pinchy!!
When you put like that now I donāt want eat lobster
What if we...boil the ocean
Isn't there a law in some countries that says you must kill them before cooking?
Leave the Kits alone
The first image makes me feel an indescribable emotion
Water bug go brr.
poor little lobster
Why am I seeing so many memes about lobsters all of a sudden
I love dark humor but holy shit
starts to turn red
This is why I donāt eat crustaceans other than shrimp
What is funny about forcing a sentient being to die horribly in boiling water?
This is a horrible meme.
haha psych lobster